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post #31 of 425
After catching the Red Faction movie on TV again, I'm half-expecting SyFy to reuse parts of those sets. They bore little resemblance to a Mars colony but could easily pass for a typical post-apocalypse-disused-factory-district-Earth.
post #32 of 425
saw the "making of" special last night (recorded). looks like a hybrid of Falling Skies, Terra Nova, Revolutions with a touch of Outcasts thrown in. based on the special, it sort of has a Terra Nova feel to it tongue.gif but I really hope they keep it adult themed & not go cutesy or lame on the writing.

it has potential so let's keep collective fingers crossed SyFy manages to pull it off...hell, it could be the next Firefly only make it past 1 season.

here's hoping a new hard SF show catches on & is successful.
Edited by ss9001 - 4/13/13 at 9:01am
post #33 of 425
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post #34 of 425
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The first episode is now up on Amazon VOD and a few other sites for free. about 100 minutes long.
post #35 of 425
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Looked interesting. I hope a viewer can enjoy the program without requiring MMO or other online participation.
Agreed. I don't want to have to play a game to keep up with a show. If I have to, the show is a no-go for me.

It's one thing to have something online or through another medium that gives you secondary plots and other information that isn't required knowledge for the show. It's another thing completely to have to pursue that stuff to know what's going on in the show.
post #36 of 425
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The first episode is now up on Amazon VOD and a few other sites for free. about 100 minutes long.

I'm not seeing it on Amazon?
post #37 of 425
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I see that it is showing Currently unavailable on Amazon. It was up for free yesterday.
post #38 of 425
Props to Syfy for actually making a sci-fi show with aliens again and I'm hesitant to say this was one of the worst pilots I've seen, but it sure was one of the most boring and predictable. By the time the last thirty minutes rolled around I was regularly watching on FF. With the 6 minute(!) ad breaks that sped things up significantly.

Almost no spectacle and setup at the beginning. Miscellaneous aliens arrived. Someone changed the ecology of the planet for undisclosed reasons. There was a war between humans and some (or all) aliens. Go! rolleyes.gif

Apart from the gorillamen and the hex-head aliens I had trouble identifying if some were aliens, or slightly altered humans, or hybrids, or what. The closest thing to excitement in the town was a terrible teenage dance fight straight out of a random high school drama (that was so cliche - even with an alien) and a bar fight. The repercussions of one the main character's henchmen killing the town sheriff being pretty much nothing, except to create an easy opening for Carter and Zoe to stick around in Eureka. By the time the other alien-aliens appeared with their mechs I was hoping they would kill all the other characters so we could see more of them and their cool stuff.

To make it worse they kept playing the ads for the game which looked far more exciting than the tedium taking place in the town. I really enjoyed Alien Nation, but there is almost zero charisma in evidence on the show and apart from the alien girl tracker the dialog is as dull as the majority of the characters.

Except for an alien-alien saying "I don't like the looks of that scaffolding" which was unintentionally funny. biggrin.gif
post #39 of 425
Better then I expected. But then again I have been playing the game since it's release. I know some but not all of the Pale wars history and what Nolan may have done in it. Plenty of time for the show and the game to grow. Can't wait and see where it goes.
post #40 of 425
Ok! fans of science fiction keep your fingers crossed, i will say compared to the last few attempts ,(which are far and in between )this wasn't bad at all in fact the opening scene was pretty cool and sustained enough momentum to keep me watching for the duration of the pilot. Glad to see good scale in the size of the surroundings and ships which gave an great other worldly effect and the CG I seems to have a budget behind it. As for plot and arc this will be up to the writers and I hope they succeed as I sure miss the old days of UPN when Babylon 5 and DS9 where on biggrin.gif So if no Stark trek or anything else this will have to do!
post #41 of 425
Started re-watching it again this mornng. Yes liked this better then I thought and I agree with you Audio. With the budget they have behind it, the size and scope of Earth being "Terrafirmed" and all the aliens this will be a fun show.
post #42 of 425
Watched the first hour. I found it to be a a bit too formulaic and I hate the Romeo and Juliet storyline. The setting is OK and there's definitely potential depending on the quality of the writing. Having just finished watching Firefly the series I'm on a hunt for the next captivating universe, not sure if this will live up to that.
Edited by jamawass - 4/16/13 at 7:41am
post #43 of 425
Watched the first hour, then really didn't care anymore. Trite, banal dialog and cliched characters doing exactly what we expect - very sophomoric stuff. Aliens are, for the most part, from the Star Trek school of prosthetic noses & foreheads. The history of the invasion(s) and whatever happened to lead to this "terraformed" earth (I thought "terraform" stemmed from "terra", or to make earthlike?) was just glossed over. Whatever else this show may turn out to be, it's pretty clear it's not going to be another BSG, or remotely in the same high-conceptual universe. *sigh* - the wait continues. frown.gif

However, I find Julie Benz insanely hot. So there's that.
post #44 of 425
What I find annoying about the show is that all the Alien races have clearly defined traits. One all have red hair and orangey skin, one has pale skin and white hair (unless you're a cool kid and dye it), the other has white scaley skin, etc. Meanwhile the humans are all a mix. Don't other alien races have variations like humans?
post #45 of 425
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Watched the first hour, then really didn't care anymore. Trite, banal dialog and cliched characters doing exactly what we expect - very sophomoric stuff. Aliens are, for the most part, from the Star Trek school of prosthetic noses & foreheads. The history of the invasion(s) and whatever happened to lead to this "terraformed" earth (I thought "terraform" stemmed from "terra", or to make earthlike?) was just glossed over. Whatever else this show may turn out to be, it's pretty clear it's not going to be another BSG, or remotely in the same high-conceptual universe. *sigh* - the wait continues. frown.gif

However, I find Julie Benz insanely hot. So there's that.

Yes, some pretty poor writing. The speech that Julie Benz as the Mayor delivers to rally the citizens of Defiance to fight was particularly uninspiring. Graham Greene appears to be holding back a smile with every line he delivers. And what a surprise that the ex-Mayor who just happens to leave town in time for the whatever they are called alien attack appears in the epilogue in an old train car turned restaurant and is apparently the grand villainess.

Wish this was better. Should have taken some of the special effects budget and hired better writers.Maybe it will improve after the pilot episode. Time will tell.
post #46 of 425
The show was decent. They used the special effects well enough. The writing could use some work, but the back story of the aliens has potential for something. This show seems to better when it is trying to be funny instead of the more serious moments. To be derivative the show seems like Eureka with aliens. I enjoyed Eureka so I will probably enjoy this.
post #47 of 425
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What I find annoying about the show is that all the Alien races have clearly defined traits. One all have red hair and orangey skin, one has pale skin and white hair (unless you're a cool kid and dye it), the other has white scaley skin, etc. Meanwhile the humans are all a mix. Don't other alien races have variations like humans?

No! biggrin.gif

Don't you know that whatever alien race humanity encounters, the entire species will have the same appearance and style? All their homes, ships and clothes will be based around one set of design principles no matter where in the galaxy they may have moved to. Humanity are the only race in the universe with any sense of individual style.
post #48 of 425
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No! biggrin.gif

Don't you know that whatever alien race humanity encounters, the entire species will have the same appearance and style? All their homes, ships and clothes will be based around one set of design principles no matter where in the galaxy they may have moved to. Humanity are the only race in the universe with any sense of individual style.

No wonder they want to conquer and enslave us. They're jealous of our fashion sense. tongue.gif
post #49 of 425
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No! biggrin.gif

Don't you know that whatever alien race humanity encounters, the entire species will have the same appearance and style? All their homes, ships and clothes will be based around one set of design principles no matter where in the galaxy they may have moved to. Humanity are the only race in the universe with any sense of individual style.

Wait, now don't forget about the Frank Gorshin, Let that Be Your Last Battlefield episode on Star Trek.
post #50 of 425
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Actually some scientists believe that a lot of the life in our galaxy or at least in our region (if their is life) may be based on similar DNA strands if the theory that organic matter is introduced to planets via comet collisions.
post #51 of 425
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Actually some scientists believe that a lot of the life in our galaxy or at least in our region (if their is life) may be based on similar DNA strands if the theory that organic matter is introduced to planets via comet collisions.

I think the point being made was more that, in the representatives of any one alien species, there should be more variety in terms of look, dress, etc., just like in humans.
post #52 of 425
... This pilot was watchable, & I'll see where it goes for a while ...

Thoughts:

* Very derivative plot ... 2 hrs to get to what we all know will be the hero's job/new home ...
* What we see so far of "terraformed" earth simply looks very earth- like, beautiful lush mountians, trees, deserts ... & the supposed "beautiful" tropical beaches of Antarictica ..
You would think aliens would change it to a much more odd/ exotic landscape &/or atmosphere ..
* Almost reminded me of a SciFi version of Banshee / hell on wheels "lite" ...
..New hero sheriff in town proves himself, White haired Business Man / slash / crime boss, with influence, hookers, bars...smile.gif
Edited by MeatChicken - 4/16/13 at 12:53pm
post #53 of 425
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* What we see so far of "terraformed" earth simply looks very earth- like, beautiful lush mountians, trees, deserts ... & the supposed "beautiful" tropical beaches of Antarictica ..
You would think aliens would change it to a much more odd/ exotic landscape &/or atmosphere ..

Except then all the humans would die, but they haven't in this case and don't seem to have any issue breathing.

It seems the aliens (those responsible was never explained either) just brought a whole lot of funky plants and did some gardening. But with the apparent ability to make mountains out of molehills why didn't they just create new land mass in the massive area in the Pacific that's just all water? instead of messing around with already populated areas they could have made clean new continents to play around with. No messy human landmarks ruining the vistas.

This was another seemingly important part of the show premise the show just skipped right over. Just like which aliens arrived in the initial ships. Were they just some kind of interstellar tour bus service that got stranded and that's why there are multiple species walking around? Did they start fighting about who got the top bunk at the hostel and that's how World War ET happened?
post #54 of 425
Guide to all the Races on Defiance

One of the races we did NOT see last night. The Gulanee
post #55 of 425
Defiance Opens Strong, Delivers Syfy's Highest-Rated Scripted Premiere Since 2006!

Here’s something to dance in slow motion about: Syfy’s Defiance on Monday night gave the cabler its highest-rated scripted series premiere since Eureka’s July 2006 bow, drawing 1.3 million viewers in the coveted 18-49 demo.


In total viewers, Defiance delivered 2.7 million, marking Syfy’s biggest premiere audience sinceWarehouse 13 opened its doors in July 2009. Defiance, which launched with a two-hour premiere, airs Mondays at 9/8c. Starting April 29, Warehouse 13‘s Season 4.5 will lead out of it, at 10 pm.



This is really good news, a strong opening, of course it is only the pilot, but also a lot of positive comments about the pilot! Is sci-fi finally back on track?!
post #56 of 425
I'm not sure how accurate the Wiki is, but it gives the backstory on when the Votans arrived and why the Earth is the way it is. I'm not sure if you're supposed to play the game to get this info or if it will slowly be introduced as the series goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defiance_(TV_series)
post #57 of 425
And when you have to go to external sources to fill in the main story because the show failed to explain the premise, it's a major storytelling fault.

It's one thing to have to keep going to the Game of Thrones or Fringe Wikis to look up characters and events because you cannot remember who they are, but they put that information in the show to begin with. If this show is to succeed it needs to disseminate enough information to give people reason to care about what they are seeing, instead of just throwing on screen white aliens with gorillamen bodyguards hating the humans who are friends with hex-heads and don't like those other guys on motorbikes who all hate the cool aliens with the best tech who want to kill apparently everyone for some unexplained reason. And some dudes in hibernation who are just kind of floating around.
post #58 of 425
It was better than I thought it would be, but that's not saying much. I spotted the actress who plays H.G. on Warehouse 13 playing the wife of the albino Boss. Nice bath scene. wink.gif
post #59 of 425
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It was better than I thought it would be, but that's not saying much. I spotted the actress who plays H.G. on Warehouse 13 playing the wife of the albino Boss. Nice bath scene. wink.gif
Jaime Murray, I first saw her in the UK's Hustle.
post #60 of 425
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However, I find Julie Benz insanely hot. So there's that.
What else is REALLY necessary for the series???tongue.gif
Ms. Benz has a habit of causing me to become embarrassed in my own HT....wink.gif

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It was better than I thought it would be, but that's not saying much. I spotted the actress who plays H.G. on Warehouse 13 playing the wife of the albino Boss. Nice bath scene. wink.gif
THAT was Jaime Murray?!?
They covered that gorgeous woman in tons of make-up and crap?rolleyes.gif
Simply cruel.....


In spite of the poor CGI and lukewarm writing, I found the pilot to be "good enough" and programmed it into my DVR for the season.
The characters are interesting and the cast is very good for a SyFy production.
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