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post #331 of 425
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Frankly, I'm at a loss trying to figure out what audience the show is aiming at. There's too much soap opera for the typical sci fi audience and too much sci fi for the typical soap opera audience.

Well, there's the gaming tie-in, so there's that demo. Then there's the sci-fi nerds demo. Then there's the soap demo. Finally, there's the demo of folks who like to look at hot chicks wearing scant clothing. I guess they figure there's enough of an audience in that conglomeration to make a go of it.
post #332 of 425
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Frankly, I'm at a loss trying to figure out what audience the show is aiming at. There's too much soap opera for the typical sci fi audience and too much sci fi for the typical soap opera audience.

Well they did Drama with SG: U and Caprica those failed. Maybe they are tying a new direction no one expects.
post #333 of 425
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Frankly, I'm at a loss trying to figure out what audience the show is aiming at. There's too much soap opera for the typical sci fi audience and too much sci fi for the typical soap opera audience.

Well, there's the gaming tie-in, so there's that demo. Then there's the sci-fi nerds demo. Then there's the soap demo. Finally, there's the demo of folks who like to look at hot chicks wearing scant clothing. I guess they figure there's enough of an audience in that conglomeration to make a go of it.

Except this show isn't for nerds. It's for people who have a passing casual interest in some of the things in the show. If it was for nerds they would have addressed all the large scope issues of multiple alien races arriving on the planet with barely any explanation.

It's been a steady drop in ratings since the premiere and this week it was a 1.6/0.5.
post #334 of 425
For the people complaining that this or any other show is not Sci-fi enough, what do you expect from a true sci-fi show? Ultimately, any show must rely on the characters, the interaction between them, and the connection with the audience that will make a successful series. It doesn't matter whether it's sci-fi, western, Victorian, or whatever genre.

Having said that, Defiance hasn't held my interest and the eye candy is not enough to keep coming back.
post #335 of 425
Ya. I'm out.
post #336 of 425
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

For the people complaining that this or any other show is not Sci-fi enough, what do you expect from a true sci-fi show?

There has been significant discussion about this in multiple threads recently, including the ones for Revolution and Orphan Black. Apparently more than half of the people on this forum now expect an episode of a science fiction show to consist of at least 50% visual effects to generate either aliens, weapons, or spaceships. Any show with less CGI than that generates complaints that it isn't science fiction, so it would seem that most of the people on AVSF don't even think Star Trek is science fiction. rolleyes.gif People have unrealistic expectations of science fiction these days, which is at least partly to blame for how little of it is on TV now.
post #337 of 425
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

For the people complaining that this or any other show is not Sci-fi enough, what do you expect from a true sci-fi show?

Have you seen Fringe? That was a science-fiction series that had the balls to be one and didn't need big FX, just big ideas.

If you have a concept then use it. Don't hide it in the periphery so you can just emulate a crime show or a drama. You built the new world. Put your characters inside it and have them react to it. This show is on a "science-fiction" channel but it doesn't have the guts to be one even with prosthetics.

Defiance has multiple alien races, giant spaceships hovering overhead, unknown amounts of weird and odd technology and multiple new mythologies yet the show is still bogged down with the same old plot devices from hundreds of other TV shows. This show could be the new Babylon 5 with all the potential mythology in play, but it insists on being a human-centric show about human problems because anything else would be less than mainstream.
post #338 of 425
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Except this show isn't for nerds. It's for people who have a passing casual interest in some of the things in the show. If it was for nerds they would have addressed all the large scope issues of multiple alien races arriving on the planet with barely any explanation.
Agreed.
post #339 of 425
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Have you seen Fringe? That was a science-fiction series that had the balls to be one and didn't need big FX, just big ideas.

If you have a concept then use it. Don't hide it in the periphery so you can just emulate a crime show

Fringe is perhaps not the best example to use, since it did exactly this for many episodes.

Unfortunately, Defiance can't even muster supernatural murder-of-the-week stories. I actually thought the most recent episode was among the better ones, although that isn't saying much.
post #340 of 425
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post


Fringe is perhaps not the best example to use, since it did exactly this for many episodes.

Unfortunately, Defiance can't even muster supernatural murder-of-the-week stories. I actually thought the most recent episode was among the better ones, although that isn't saying much.

Fringe is the perfect example, because it illustrates exactly what I'm saying. As you said it spent the majority of the first season being a mediocre mutation of the week procedural. When the producers finally said "ah screw the mainstream audience" it finally became a real SF show. Full of big ideas, cool concepts, mind-bending plotlines and not afraid to alienate anyone who just didn't get it.

If Defiance had the guts to do the same it might go somewhere interesting. Forget the humans sitting in the junkyard and spend some time with all the other races above ground, in space and elsewhere. Have entire episodes spoken in alien languages and subtitled!
post #341 of 425
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

For the people complaining that this or any other show is not Sci-fi enough, what do you expect from a true sci-fi show? Ultimately, any show must rely on the characters, the interaction between them, and the connection with the audience that will make a successful series. It doesn't matter whether it's sci-fi, western, Victorian, or whatever genre.

Having said that, Defiance hasn't held my interest and the eye candy is not enough to keep coming back.
My thoughts also.

I've found that when shows try to attract multiple demographics, instead of having "something for everyone to like" you end up with "something for everyone to hate". If you hate more parts than you like, then you're gone, and the more target audiences, the more parts you can potentially hate.
post #342 of 425
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Fringe is the perfect example, because it illustrates exactly what I'm saying. As you said it spent the majority of the first season being a mediocre mutation of the week procedural. When the producers finally said "ah screw the mainstream audience" it finally became a real SF show. Full of big ideas, cool concepts, mind-bending plotlines and not afraid to alienate anyone who just didn't get it.
Unfortunately, the show lost me early on for the reason you stated.
post #343 of 425
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Unfortunately, the show lost me early on for the reason you stated.

It took until the finale for things to swing into a vastly more interesting area and even then I wasn't enthused about the second season until it really embraced it's own mythology a third of the way in. In the early episodes Walter was the only thing that kept me interested. Defiance really doesn't have a character or actor of equal personality to bring me back next year.
post #344 of 425
Tonite's episode may be the best yet.smile.gif
A lot of sh_t hit the fan.

Two more episodes left this season.
I'm in.
post #345 of 425
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Unfortunately, the show lost me early on for the reason you stated.

Fringe is so badass.
post #346 of 425
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Tonite's episode may be the best yet.

I was surprised that they killed off Nicky, but I won't complain. She's apparently a lousy criminal, though, as she didn't tell the doctor where she hid the artifact, yet Yewll already obtained it. Considering she knows it's dangerous, you'd think she'd be smart enough to destroy it, but I guess even she can't resist the Ring. rolleyes.gif
post #347 of 425
I thought the last episode was pretty solid. I was not expecting the mayor to be a sleeper agent. The doctor has some potential to be a really interesting back-story.
post #348 of 425
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Tonite's episode may be the best yet.smile.gif
A lot of sh_t hit the fan.

Two more episodes left this season.
I'm in.
Yes and more to come.
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I thought the last episode was pretty solid. I was not expecting the mayor to be a sleeper agent. The doctor has some potential to be a really interesting back-story.
They still have yet to have Nolan resume his body slam of the doc. The doc is not Timid just playing as such. Can't way to see where they go with it.
post #349 of 425
I'm in as well! Agreed that the last episode was probably the best. If the last 2 episodes keep it up, I think we may be in for a much improved second season. After all, how many shows that we fondly look back at know took more than a few episodes to hit their stride....
post #350 of 425
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Originally Posted by mnetop View Post

I'm in as well! Agreed that the last episode was probably the best. If the last 2 episodes keep it up, I think we may be in for a much improved second season. After all, how many shows that we fondly look back at know took more than a few episodes to hit their stride....

I'm hanging in, but I sure hope it gets more interesting and they find their stride, I don't get the impression the writers really know where they are going with this show, or where they intended to go. Of course, I think any good sci-fi has to be serialized and this show just seems to meander around a lot. Hopefully it will get going, but it bugs me that a show takes 9 or 10 eps to get me looking forward to the next week.
post #351 of 425
I'm also still hanging in ...
However, this show, as I & others mentioned earlier in the topic ... suffers from " Terra Nova Syndrome " ..
There simply isn't "enogh" of the underlying interesting mysteries ( Spce Ships, Cave, Medallion, Secrets of the past.. whatever) ...
Every show is about 98.732% Character soap opera, & a brief sentence of the "interesting mysteries" is reserved for the end ....
post #352 of 425
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Originally Posted by MeatChicken View Post

I'm also still hanging in ...
However, this show, as I & others mentioned earlier in the topic ... suffers from " Terra Nova Syndrome " ..
There simply isn't "enogh" of the underlying interesting mysteries ( Spce Ships, Cave, Medallion, Secrets of the past.. whatever) ...
Every show is about 98.732% Character soap opera, & a brief sentence of the "interesting mysteries" is reserved for the end ....
I now watch the show in my video editor with programmable skips and scans. Typically it takes me less than 15 minutes to get through an episode.
post #353 of 425
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

I'm hanging in, but I sure hope it gets more interesting and they find their stride, I don't get the impression the writers really know where they are going with this show, or where they intended to go. Of course, I think any good sci-fi has to be serialized and this show just seems to meander around a lot. Hopefully it will get going, but it bugs me that a show takes 9 or 10 eps to get me looking forward to the next week.
Agreed.
I don't ordinarily hang onto a mediocre show this far down the road.
If it wasn't for Ms. Benz, I would have bailed long ago.

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Originally Posted by MeatChicken View Post

I'm also still hanging in ...
However, this show, as I & others mentioned earlier in the topic ... suffers from " Terra Nova Syndrome " ..
There simply isn't "enogh" of the underlying interesting mysteries ( Spce Ships, Cave, Medallion, Secrets of the past.. whatever) ...
Every show is about 98.732% Character soap opera, & a brief sentence of the "interesting mysteries" is reserved for the end ....
No argument here.wink.gif
post #354 of 425
They need to either get rid of some of the characters or really up their game and give them something interesting to do.
The girl with the orange hair- here's her witty dialogue from the last episode "weddings are stupid", "you're an idiot", "it's a waste of time", "can't just what"?... etc...
Is it too much to ask for to have a character speak a full sentence?
post #355 of 425
Maybe her English is limited? LOL
post #356 of 425
I maybe turning on the Song remake issues. I had JUST Seen Cindi Lauper Sunday night. Next night a remix at the shows ending. Grrrr

I mean she dresses at times like an Irath :P

post #357 of 425
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

I maybe turning on the Song remake issues. I had JUST Seen Cindi Lauper Sunday night. Next night a remix at the shows ending. Grrrr
I mean she dresses at times like an Irath :P
Well it's not like she was ever considered 'normal' to begin with...cool.gif
post #358 of 425
I kind of like the alternate Defiance versions. Songs I'm familiar with are neat... ones I am not familiar with, I become curious after hearing their version.
post #359 of 425
The last couple have been pretty good.
post #360 of 425
It does seem to be improving a bit. Or maybe I'm just getting old.
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