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post #241 of 293
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Crave Entertainment (the publisher for The Pinball Arcade) is going through bankruptcy.
Maybe FarSight Studios is looking for another publisher. You can't publish yourself on Xbox Live Arcade. You need a prequalified publisher. The only way to self-publish on Xbox is through Xbox Live Indie Games.
Crave published the previous Pinball Hall of Fame collections that Farsight developed, but those are a separate product from the Pinball Arcade. From what I can tell, Crave has nothing to do with the Pinball Arcade. It looks like Farsight is publishing these themselves.
post #242 of 293
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Originally Posted by Pugnax555 View Post

Crave published the previous Pinball Hall of Fame collections that Farsight developed, but those are a separate product from the Pinball Arcade. From what I can tell, Crave has nothing to do with the Pinball Arcade. It looks like Farsight is publishing these themselves.

Farsight is publishing the Pinball Arcade themselves, except on the 360. The 360 requires a Publishing License Agreement with Microsoft, and Farsight went through Crave, their previous publisher, for updates to the 360 version. Now Crave is in bankruptcy and the updates on the 360 have been suspended.

Once an updated PLA between Farsight and Microsoft is finalized and approved, they will continue to support the 360 with updates.

Source.
post #243 of 293
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Farsight is publishing the Pinball Arcade themselves, except on the 360. The 360 requires a Publishing License Agreement with Microsoft, and Farsight went through Crave, their previous publisher, for updates to the 360 version. Now Crave is in bankruptcy and the updates on the 360 have been suspended.
Once an updated PLA between Farsight and Microsoft is finalized and approved, they will continue to support the 360 with updates.
Source.
Ahhh, good to know. I only play TPA on my iPad and Android phone. I already have the Williams Collection for the 360, so didn't feel the need to double dip there.
post #244 of 293
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Once an updated PLA between Farsight and Microsoft is finalized and approved, they will continue to support the 360 with updates.


Does anyone know if there's an ETA on that? Weeks? Months? A year or more?
post #245 of 293
Two months and so far nothing.

Any new news?
post #246 of 293
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Two months and so far nothing.

Any new news?

PinballArcadeFans.com has compiled the list of information based on Farsight's Facebook page, and says:
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BREAKING NEWS!!! FarSight Selects NEW PUBLISHER For Xbox 360...New Content To Be Submitted SOON!!!

Months after Crave Entertainment filed for bankruptcy and add-on content for the Xbox 360 was put on hold, FarSight has selected a new publisher for the Xbox 360 version of The Pinball Arcade! They are currently in the final stages of contracting and hope to submit all finished tables, additional features, bug fixes and improvements to Microsoft very soon. FarSight plans to make an announcement when they know when the Title Update and new tables will be released for the Xbox 360.

FarSight is also planning to release The Twilight Zone, Star Trek : The Next Generation, additional features, bug fixes and improvements first and will collaborate with their new publisher and Microsoft to decide at what increments to release the remaining Table Add-On Packs.
http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/194-Latest-NEWS-And-INFORMATION-From-FarSight-Studios-Concerning-The-Pinball-Arcade?p=45685&viewfull=1#post45685

Of course, that news was from Dec 23, though.
post #247 of 293
I can't believe how badly this pinball platform has been managed... O_o
post #248 of 293
Glad things worked out the way they did in my case. The William's Collection launched at a much cheaper price on the PS2 with a couple less titles. So I heavily played that knowing I could soon pick up the Wii version for the extra titles which I proceeded to do a few months later. All for less than the Wii release launched at.

I played both so heavily that I've yet to give the expanded Xbox 360 port anything beyond a quick look. So by the time I get around to that and invest a lot of time, I figure Pinball Arcade will be in a much better state.

Glad I'm a bit behind. smile.gif
post #249 of 293
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

PinballArcadeFans.com has compiled the list of information based on Farsight's Facebook page, and says:
http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/194-Latest-NEWS-And-INFORMATION-From-FarSight-Studios-Concerning-The-Pinball-Arcade?p=45685&viewfull=1#post45685

Of course, that news was from Dec 23, though.

I went there to get the latest...from within the last few days or so...

Although FarSight has secured a new publisher for the Xbox 360, due to the terms set by the new publisher, FarSight is unable to make an official announcement until the new publisher gives them permission to do so. As soon as FarSight is allowed to, they will begin submitting to Microsoft.


Evidently, FarSight still has a few release issues to work through before releasing the new version of The Pinball Arcade on the Xbox 360.
post #250 of 293
All this talk about new versions of Pinball Arcade, what does that mean?

Is it a whole new look? Does it allow for two players to play against each other online?

Anyone know?

Since I only get this game on the Xbox 360 platform, I have no idea what they're talking about.


ALSO, does anyone know if Pinball Arcade will work with the new version of Xbox?
post #251 of 293
I recevied a response from a pinball friend of mine. He says...

"...apparently due to legal matters they actually can't release more tables to the Pinball Arcade for Xbox, so supposedly what they are doing is making a new Pinball Arcade for Xbox that will have all the old tables and then the new ones as well."
post #252 of 293
no way am I buying the old tables again for a "new" Pinball arcade!!! WTF are they expecting of their fans????

if you're saying that they're releasing the platform again and we'll just have 2 Pinball Arcades on our system, I can live with that. But if the second Pinball Arcade requires us to buy the base tables again, I'm going to refuse to support them. This is bad business practice. I can definitely wait until they release the platform again on the next Xbox.
post #253 of 293
alright, after reading what FarSight wrote, I feel better.

If they pull any shenanigans, I'm ready to walk. I'm willing to support pinball as a genre. But I'm not a customer that takes it in the rear no matter what.

http://pinballarcadefans.com/content.php/247-Pinball-Arcade-Fans-Would-Like-To-Wish-Everyone-And-Their-Families-A-SAFE-AND-HAPPY-NEW-YEAR!!!-Plans-For-The-Pinball-Arcade-In-2013-INSIDE!

Xbox 360 : FarSight has selected a new publisher for the Xbox 360 version of the Pinball Arcade! They are currently in the final stages of finalizing the contract and anticipate submitting this new version of the Pinball Arcade in January. FarSight has been assured that all previous purchases can and will be entitled when they re-launch.

FarSight plans to keep everyone updated as best as they can and announce when they have firm release dates. The plan is for The Twilight Zone and Star Trek: The Next Generation (free for kickstarter backers) to be available to purchase on day one. FarSight will collaborate with their new publisher and Microsoft to decide at what increments to release the remaining Table Add-On Packs.
post #254 of 293
Yep, no need to panic! All is good!

By the way from what I've read, the new publisher will not allow FarSight to announce estimated release dates. Evidently, that will be controlled by the new publisher.
post #255 of 293
They released "Pinball Arcade Newsletter #12.5" today, and it contained the following onformation about the XBox 360 version:
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Latest XBox News

We promised our longsuffering Xbox 360 customers an update this week, so here it is.

As most of you know, the Xbox 360 is the only platform that requires us to have a publisher instead of dealing directly with Microsoft. Our publisher Fillpoint (aka Crave Entertainment) filed bankruptcy last year, and that has wreaked havoc on our plans for releasing new tables on the Xbox 360.

We’ve been asked many times “Why don’t you just find a new publisher?” It’s not that simple, unfortunately- our contract with Fillpoint is now an asset of a bankrupt company, so we need both the consent of the creditors and the approval of the court to move the game to another publisher. The good news is that we are VERY CLOSE to getting court approval on a transfer. We wish it was happening faster (and we’re more frustrated than you- we lose money every day the new tables aren’t available on 360). But it will happen!
post #256 of 293
okay... now the news seems conflicting. do they have a new publisher or not? if they haven't even gotten the courts to approve the release from the previous company (and the courts take forever to do things), how far away are they from having a new publisher and a new release date? they made it seem like they're on the verge of a new release. but it seems like they're far away.
post #257 of 293
To me, based off that and what they've said earlier, they have a replacement publisher lined up and they're just waiting for some last minute red tape to be cleared away before making it official.

I hope thing's start moving smoothly one of these days. I had no doubt there were going to be plenty of problems but I can't believe we're over a year later and still talking almost exclusively about issues.
post #258 of 293
they've used up all their goodwill with me. I'll buy whatever new tables come out in the future because I support their endeavor and I enjoy the nostalgia of pinball. But I hold very little regard for their statements. Talk is cheap. They wrote that the new release of Pinball Arcade would happen in January. Last I checked, it's fast approaching March...
post #259 of 293
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Talk is cheap...
Actually, it's pretty expensive when you're talking about lawyers. wink.gif

I don't think it's fair to blame FarSight for any of the legal issues. They are the victim even more than we are. I don't think January was a lie, it was an underestimation of just how painful all this legal stuff is.

Slightly off-topic, but am also a big PC Gamer, and I really want this product on my PC, and FarSight is having some similar difficulties on that front as well. I appreciate them being open about it. Most developers are not as in touch with their fans as FarSight.

For those interested, here is the latest on the PC version:
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Originally Posted by January Newsletter 

PC Update

We are at #90 on Steam Greenlight! We need to get to the top 20 to be published. Please tell your friends, family, dentist, podiatrist, grocer etc. to vote for us using the link below! If we keep spreading the word, we will get there!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=95907686
We are still working on the PC beta build that is being designed for the Kickstarter backers. We are exploring options for delivery, security, and feasibility.
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Originally Posted by February Newsletter 

PC Update

In a recent talk at DICE, Valve President Gabe Newell indicated that the Greenlight process might soon be discontinued, opening the way for more games to be available on Steam. We are very optimistic that the Pinball Arcade will be able to be released on Steam as a result!

We are still working on a PC beta build designed for our Kickstarter backers. We are also exploring options for delivery and security.

In addition, we are submitting our game to Microsoft for inclusion in the Windows 8 Marketplace. This version will be playable on all devices and desktops running Windows 8 (including Surface tablets and phones).

Personally, I think it's really silly that Steam was ever making them go through the Greenlight program. That is for indie developers. FarSight has multiple award-winning games under their belt. I think it all goes back to the publisher issue. If they had been lucky to have a successful publisher with some clout rather than some sad bankrupt one, they probably would have had no trouble getting on Steam.
post #260 of 293
Pinball FX2 is on the PC. runs great. I love it on the PC because one my monitors is in the vertical/portrait orientation which makes pinball fabulous.
post #261 of 293
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Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

Personally, I think it's really silly that Steam was ever making them go through the Greenlight program. That is for indie developers. FarSight has multiple award-winning games under their belt. I think it all goes back to the publisher issue. If they had been lucky to have a successful publisher with some clout rather than some sad bankrupt one, they probably would have had no trouble getting on Steam.

I would hope it's a money issue. They saw a cheaper way to get their game to market on Steam and it just hasn't performed like they expected to reach that goal.

If Valve really forced their hand here where they had to win a popularity contest to be distributed, I don't know what to say. I hope they went this route voluntarily instead of it being their only option.
post #262 of 293
I got this Xbox tidbit from a Kickstarter related email today:
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Originally Posted by Project Update #6: Pinball Arcade: Star Trek The Next Generation by FarSight Studios 

Due to the bankruptcy of our Xbox 360 publisher last year, we are temporarily unable to release new tables on that platform. We are currently seeking bankruptcy court approval to transfer the game to a different publisher, and we will release Star Trek: The Next Generation on the Xbox 360 as soon as that happens.

I think that wording is a bit clearer that they do already have a new publisher but they can't officially partner with them until the court approves it. So hopefully as soon as they get the legal "okay" things will happen quickly. smile.gif

I wish there was a free version on PSN that you could add tables to. I have a PSN Kickstarter code for Twilight Zone, and soon Star Trek, but since I purchased it on Xbox 360 already, I can't bring myself to pay another $10 just to get those two tables that I technically already own and will be able to play on my Home Theatre once the Xbox issues are resolved. But with Star Trek being my favorite table released so far, I am actually tempted.
post #263 of 293
According to this, The Pinball Arcade has been submitted for inclusion to the Windows Marketplace. Hopefully it gets approved. Steam keeps rejecting it. I wonder that since Windows is a different platform than Xbox, that they don't have to deal with the publisher/bankruptcy issue that's plaguing the Xbox version.

http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/3542-The-Pinball-Arcade-Is-On-Its-Way-To-The-Windows-8-Marketplace!!!
post #264 of 293
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

According to this, The Pinball Arcade has been submitted for inclusion to the Windows Marketplace. Hopefully it gets approved. Steam keeps rejecting it. I wonder that since Windows is a different platform than Xbox, that they don't have to deal with the publisher/bankruptcy issue that's plaguing the Xbox version.

http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/3542-The-Pinball-Arcade-Is-On-Its-Way-To-The-Windows-8-Marketplace!!!

It's not that Steam is rejecting it, it's that it was submitted via the Greenlight process, which needs a ton of votes that this game just isn't getting. Honestly, at this point, I'd rather a Windows 8 version anyway... both to play on my Surface devices, and because with the Windows Store, you can play on five PCs at the same time, as opposed to Steam which can't even be logged in to another computer.
post #265 of 293
it's been in the greenlight process for a long time now and each time, it gets less and less votes. it's not ever getting on Steam. To make it, you have to be mainstream and pinball only resonates for a small niche.
post #266 of 293
It also sounds like Steam might be getting rid of Greenlight in general at some point in the future, but yeah, agreed.
post #267 of 293
"The good news is that we are VERY CLOSE to getting court approval on a transfer. We wish it was happening faster (and we’re more frustrated than you- we lose money every day the new tables aren’t available on 360). But it will happen!"

This is all I need to know.
post #268 of 293
Wow, I can't believe it's been just over four months since my last post about this. t's sad there's really no news about Pinball Arcade. Does anyone think there's still hope?
post #269 of 293
Pinball Arcade is alive and is still very much a going concern with a lot of news and happenings around it and regular releases on currently available platforms except here.

They simply ran into trouble on the Xbox 360 because of Microsoft's demand that independents go through established publishers (Farsight self-publishes on other platforms). Farsight logically went with their partner that they successfully released several retail releases through in the past and that company shortly afterwards experienced severe financial difficulties and left Farsight tangled in their legal mess. They weren't allowed to self-publish so they had a publishing contract with a publisher but that publisher was in bankruptcy so Farsight was in legal limbo because of it.

The good news is that Crave Entertainment is apparently preparing to resume business after reorganization and Farsight will be able to restart with them after a year of inactivity after being caught in Crave's mess and being unable to extricate themselves and go with another publisher. And Wii U, Steam, and Playstation 4 (The PS4 version apparently has significant lighting enhancements and looked very impressive at E3; Traits that I presume the Steam version will also offer) versions are on their way although I'm not sure about the status of the announced 3DS version.

And they're holding off on the Xbox One since they're hoping that they will be able to self-publish in the wake of incidents like their ill fortune on the Xbox 360 that has started to gain a lot of press. Hopefully such stuff encourages Microsoft to relax their restrictions like how I believe I read that they recently eased up on their outrageous patch prices in recent days. They don't want to contract with a publisher any earlier than they need to and lock themselves in and risk another repeat of this mess (And split their profits) when there's hope that Microsoft will make their policies more friendly to smaller developers and allow them to self-publish on the Xbox One .

Here's a list of released and planned tables to give you an idea of what's been happening since table pack 3 was released on the Xbox 360.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pinball_Arcade#Table_key
Edited by Leo_Ames - 7/8/13 at 2:07pm
post #270 of 293
If anyone is a fan of "Terminator 2" pinball... there is only 13 days left to help them secure the license:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1067367405/pinball-arcade-terminator-2-judgment-day/
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