Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 - Page 54

Originally Posted by jitu 

Hello everybody!

Originally Posted by jblank74 

I actually agree with most of what you said there and ironically, the maps you listed are my two favorites also. Carrier and Hijack can go straight to hell though, I hate those maps with a burning passion. We got spawn camped repeatedly on Hijack yesterday in one match and it was completely unfair. The spawn system in CoD games might actually be at the lowest point in the entire series with this game....it just sucks.

Originally Posted by hushh 

I agree that the spawn system is just wrecked in this game,but I have to say that Carrier and Hijacked are two maps that I haven't had much issue with. I'm sure it's just a matter of time til I get spawn trapped on Hijacked, and I'll be cursing it like everyone else. I like the openness of Carrier though. In fact, I've started staying out of buildings as much as possible on all maps given the multiple entry points.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

So you've never had the enemy spawn behind you on either of those maps? I must just have rotten luck, it happens to me all the time. In fact, of any CoD game to date, I have been shot in the back more in this one. I don't mind losing face to face gunfights, I do take umbrage to people spawning behind me or spawning very close to me after I have killed them, and popping back up 15 seconds later to shoot me.

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 

You must have the worst luck ever. You get spawn trapped and have enemies spawn behind you. LOL
The only map I don't care for is Plaza. I still have not figured that map out at all. I never seem to do well on that one. On Carrier, rotate between the stairs by the Stealth Bomber and through the long lower hallway. You will constantly flank the other team. Never, ever go in the middle of that map.

Originally Posted by jblank74 


So you've never had the enemy spawn behind you on either of those maps? I must just have rotten luck, it happens to me all the time. In fact, of any CoD game to date, I have been shot in the back more in this one. I don't mind losing face to face gunfights, I do take umbrage to people spawning behind me or spawning very close to me after I have killed them, and popping back up 15 seconds later to shoot me.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

Only get spawn trapped on Hijack, which may be the only map that is possible on. I think you know that. . Carrier is a map I don't like because it is so sniper laden that it ruins the combat. No fun when each team ends up with 2-3 snipers and it's "ping ping" all over the place the entire map.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

It's why each game isn't dominated by high killstreaks, a huge change for the better. In the 50ish hours I've played, I've seen one VTOL, one swarm, one lodestar, and one K9.

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 



I'm at almost 29 hrs, I have yet to see anyone earn a Swarm, dogs, Vtol, or Lodestar. I have never even seen the Swarm or Lodestar and the VTOL and dogs were from a care package.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

I wish they would make CUAV and UAV the same point level. That way you can have a counter for the UAV spamming....there are a lot.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen any of those not from a package. They're basically unattainable - you need to play conservative not to die, but then playing that way doesn't get you enough points. You basically need to be on a crazy run, while playing the objective....it's just incredibly difficult to do.

I think the streaks are functionally where they should be, but the values need a little tweaking. Lightning strike and guardian are too easy to get, for how effective they are. CUAV and EMP too difficult.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

You've got ghost, launchers, black hat, CUAV and EMP. Plenty of counters.
UAV just adds another layer of info. CUAV not only counters UAV and VSAT, but also gives your entire team silencers, makes it hard for the other team to find each other or even find the next HQ or HP. They can't aim lightning strikes either.
If they bring the points down a bit, more people will use them, by consequence less will use UAV. Then you might have people running hard wired too, and less people running ghost.
It's actually pretty powerful, equal point values would be going too far. Its just hard to get people to use it. So unsatisfying, because you just click it and that's it. No feedback at all, you don't even know how long its up.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

Finally, and this I have said before, there are way too many people sniping and too many running around like jackasses with those damn knives, trying to stab. This crap is like MW2 and the hated, Lightweight, Marathon, Commando combo, where these immature idiots would just run around and stab, stab, stab. It makes for craptastic games and ruins the fun. Sniping, wow, they gotta nerf 'em or make them harder to use. If there is one on a team, fine, but we ran into teams in Core TDM that had 3-4 snipers on maps like Drone or Slums and you just couldn't get anywhere. For the first time since the game came out, I finally just stopped out of frustration. I started the day with a 1.60 KDR and dropped to a 1.48 today, it was a joke. The game seems to again be trying to do its best to appeal to the lowest common denominator; the dropshotters, running stabbers, quickscopers, shotgunners, while people that want to work together, slow down, control lines of sight, in other words, play with some strategic methods, those people are cast aside so we can make sure some jackass can run around with NO GUN, at top speed, and stab you right through your god damn bullets.
I've never been a basher of the Call of Duty series, you guys know that, and I used to follow the old axiom that the worst thing about CoD was the people that played it, but now I'm close to saying screw it because I don't think I can tolerate 12 more months of this kind of gameplay.
Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get this stuff off my chest.

Originally Posted by bbexperience 

Call him the connection god, but buc gets Lodestars about every game he had it equipped and he also had multiple VTOL's and dogs. I think the only one he hasn't gotten was a swarm. So it's definitely possible. I can barely get a UAV!

Originally Posted by jblank74 

Yeah, maybe you're right, still, I'd like to see more of them.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

I'm still not sure where you're finding buildings or vantage points with more than 3 entrances.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

Or there's a bunch of other stuff they can do to just make it more desirable to use. They can give you +100 for using it while a UAV or VSAT is in the air. +50 if an objective is taken. They can give your whole team a visual indicator by the radar that one is in the air. Make it require two rockets instead of one. Make it block tac inserts.
I'm hoping they make good on their promise to balance the game sooner rather than later. Overall it's very good, but there's a few tweaks that need to be made, particularly to the perks.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

You've got ghost, launchers, black hat, CUAV and EMP. Plenty of counters.
UAV just adds another layer of info. CUAV not only counters UAV and VSAT, but also gives your entire team silencers, makes it hard for the other team to find each other or even find the next HQ or HP. They can't aim lightning strikes either.
If they bring the points down a bit, more people will use them, by consequence less will use UAV. Then you might have people running hard wired too, and less people running ghost.
It's actually pretty powerful, equal point values would be going too far. Its just hard to get people to use it. So unsatisfying, because you just click it and that's it. No feedback at all, you don't even know how long its up.

Originally Posted by bbexperience 

I don't often agree with jblank, but I said this elsewhere too. This game feels way too much like MW2 with the constant quickscoping and commando knifers everywhere. It's pretty rare to find a game without one or both and it's so incredibly annoying. The really, really frustrating thing is that Black Ops seemed to have corrected both of those. It's as if they got a 12 year old on their design team for this round. It's a huge step in the wrong direction.
Also, I agree on the map design. It is, for the most part, terrible. I've gotten to the point where there's only maybe 3 or 4 maps that I can't stand but none of them are great. There are just too many openings and random alleys. I'm not sure how having that many entrances to any given building is more realistic either. How many times in real life is the point of entry going to be a side window? Anyway, Slums and Raid seem to be the least offensive. Hijacked could be a great map but the spawns are just totally screwed up. You can be pushing to the b-flag, sort of in the hot tub area from the A spawn and people will spawn behind you. It's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by bbexperience 

I don't often agree with jblank, but I said this elsewhere too. This game feels way too much like MW2 with the constant quickscoping and commando knifers everywhere. It's pretty rare to find a game without one or both and it's so incredibly annoying. The really, really frustrating thing is that Black Ops seemed to have corrected both of those. It's as if they got a 12 year old on their design team for this round. It's a huge step in the wrong direction.

Originally Posted by ultracat 

Strange, I haven't seen this at all. I've been playing since launch day. Maybe try Hardcore?

Originally Posted by General Kenobi 

You almost have to run ghost when playing solo, the UAV's are almost constant and the spawns are so bad by the time you've taken one of 3 down someone has spawned behind you or ice skated across the map to stab you.
There are things starting to wear on me too starting with the spawns. I went back to playing some Halo a few days ago because i was just burning out on the BS. I'm playing late last night and looking at how far I still have to go in only my 2nd prestige and starting debating if I want to prestige again. I'm just in a rut and irritated with the same things others are griping about. I really hope we get some patches to balance things out. The sniping I can live with, I just snipe them back but the runners, QS, and spawns need work and absolutely feel MW2ish which sucks.