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post #1651 of 4567
11/26/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Well, if I need to spent 4 points to make up for its deficiencies compared to an AR, why not just use an AR?

You only need 3 "extra" points, not 4. And you very will might be using quickdraw anyway. tongue.gif

Anyway, you'd use it because it takes less bullets to kill and you almost never need to reload. On top of that, they're still great at suppression.
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post #1652 of 4567
11/26/12 at 5:50pm
if anyone is interested, i finally got lucky and got the hail mary challenge done. its a pretty long shot. ive done countless long ones that would seem to qualify, including one that was a long shot with an smg but not the ax. i ended up getting it on drone. i came around the tunnel by the helicopter pad aimed up and immediately after release i got sniped....then the dirty sniper got axed in the head. he was prone next to the tree at the very back.

so yeah, long ass shot where you prob cant even see the person if they were still line of sight = lucky ass craptoid, not challenge


but yay me! i can move on cool.gif
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post #1653 of 4567
11/26/12 at 6:30pm
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Without quickdraw I'm not that bothered by QS, its just not that effective. I've only seen it rarely. Now when I see it I'm actually kind of impressed they can pull it off TBH. Anyone that successfully quickscopes or knifes you in the back could have killed you easier with an SMG, either way you're dead just the same.
The thing that sticks with me the most after playing for a few weeks now is that while some of that stuff like marathon stabbers are still there, its just people being idiots now. None of it is actually effective at helping their team win. You know a team is going to lose when they have the jackasses with them.
Each cod has been getting better and better at getting people to PTFO, and its particularly noticeable in mercenary moshpit - people are genuinely playing to win with random strangers, because that's how you get all the fun streaks.

So true. They have promoted or "incentivized" teamwork in this version(particularly w/ the advent of the scorestreak vs the killstreak). It was a stroke of genius, because it's literally changed the way we have to approach the game. It's been(overall) for the better. I HATE(and I mean HATE) the QSing, people knifing through bullets, and being spawned 3ft away from an enemy. Despite all that, I'm still enjoying this version A WHOLE LOT. The good simply just outweighs the bad.
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post #1654 of 4567
11/26/12 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Well, if I need to spent 4 points to make up for its deficiencies compared to an AR, why not just use an AR?
Because you don't have to reload as often, and every time you see an enemy, you can unload w/o worrying about reloading/running dry/using a point for extended mag. While they're trying to reload from that 1st exchange(which happens a lot), you're still suppressing/killing. I use the MK48 and CONSISTENTLY get headshots/long range kills w/ a dot sight. For mobility, I use my secondary when going from place to place.
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post #1655 of 4567
11/26/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Because some people have some integrity and a sense of fairness and don't resort to exploiting the game engine to get kills. smile.gif
Based on your previous posts, I gather you're intelligent enough to see the tremendous amount of naiveté in that statement. People aren't doing it because of some gaming code of honor? Yeah, right. If you believe that, I've got some beach front property in Yuma Arizona to sell you lol. Listening to the typical conversation going on in most lobbies(vulgarity, racist, etc.), I'm fairly certain Xbox Live isn't the place where you'll find large amounts of "integrity and a sense of fairness". wink.gif
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post #1656 of 4567
11/27/12 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Well, if I need to spent 4 points to make up for its deficiencies compared to an AR, why not just use an AR?
Because you don't have to reload as often, and every time you see an enemy, you can unload w/o worrying about reloading/running dry/using a point for extended mag. While they're trying to reload from that 1st exchange(which happens a lot), you're still suppressing/killing. I use the MK48 and CONSISTENTLY get headshots/long range kills w/ a dot sight. For mobility, I use my secondary when going from place to place.

The LMGs are definitely better than most people realize. They pair especially well with a target finder, since you're more likely to be able to kill that little red diamond in the distance.

Even with quickdraw they're still too slow compared to other weapons to react, even with all those points into them. And in most situations that Id want an LMG, I almost invariably want flak jacket. So lightweight would cost another 2 points. Having a tac insert removes the need to sprint, so then I can safely carry a launcher, but then I want fast hands, etc...

I didn't really like pick 10 at first....my initial misgivings were that a pistol or concussion would never be worth the point, but their answer to that was to just make them so they were. You even slightly graze someone with a stun and they're screwed for 5 full seconds. You can down someone with a pistol or machine pistol in extreme CQB faster than any SMG. There's nothing that doesn't justify it's point, when used in the right situation. Some of the perks are a little *too* situational though.

Despite the consistent beatdowns we took last night, I just can't get mad at this game. They've done 10 things right for every 1 thing wrong.
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post #1657 of 4567
11/27/12 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

My nephew was doing this the other day. He wanted to get Gold camo for his knife. He seemed to be having a great time running around like a nut but he would go maybe 15 and 30. Playing TDM or KC, there's no way we were going to win when he was doing that.

I believe Mystaphyer is the only person I've seen that can run around with a knife/ballistic knife and go positive. I don't know how he does it...
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post #1658 of 4567
11/27/12 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by juke_box View Post

I believe Mystaphyer is the only person I've seen that can run around with a knife/ballistic knife and go positive. I don't know how he does it...

Hah! Can't do it with a freaking gun half the time, though.

Still love the game. Hate the inconsistencies I seem to encounter.

My K/D very well may be at or below 1 by the time this year is done, but being able to try so many random things is making it interesting.
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post #1659 of 4567
11/27/12 at 5:38am
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Based on your previous posts, I gather you're intelligent enough to see the tremendous amount of naiveté in that statement. People aren't doing it because of some gaming code of honor? Yeah, right. If you believe that, I've got some beach front property in Yuma Arizona to sell you lol. Listening to the typical conversation going on in most lobbies(vulgarity, racist, etc.), I'm fairly certain Xbox Live isn't the place where you'll find large amounts of "integrity and a sense of fairness". wink.gif

Well I don't look to cheat or exploit, never have, never will. If I am sitting down with a deck of cards playing Solitaire, same rules apply. I think by in large most people don't want to cheat at online games, heck, I think the majority of people get just as fed up with the exploits, cheese, and other stuff we see in CoD as I do. People might want to find out new ways of getting kills, but by in large, most people don't want to quickscope, don't want to try to hack lobbies, don't want lag switches, and want a fair game for everyone. That's what I was trying to say and if that makes me naïve then so be it, but I've been on XBOX Live since the Beta days in 2002 and I bet most people are like me, even after wading through all the problem children out there.
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post #1660 of 4567
11/27/12 at 5:58am
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I believe Mystaphyer is the only person I've seen that can run around with a knife/ballistic knife and go positive. I don't know how he does it...

Hah! Can't do it with a freaking gun half the time, though.

Still love the game. Hate the inconsistencies I seem to encounter.

My K/D very well may be at or below 1 by the time this year is done, but being able to try so many random things is making it interesting.

Cheer up buddy, average k/d is like .7, you're still a cut above. tongue.gif

I still think we were just plain outmatched when we were playing hardpoint last night. Whenever you jump into the niche playlists, you run into a lot of parties that have their **** straight. I've played a lot of hardpoint with randoms in mercenary and league, and it was night and day how much better they were playing together. I didn't feel like I was losing fair gunfights, their defense was so tight that they always had the superior positioning, and we couldn't break them.

My performance is def inconsistent too....but sometimes you have a bad game, it demoralizes you, and then you only do worse. Sometimes you're up against scrubs, sometimes pros. Sometimes youre on top of it but your team doesnt have your back. And yes, sometimes its your connection. But as good as any team or player is, there's always someone better. And that's a good thing....if I always went 25-5 I'd probably lose interest in the game within a week.
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post #1661 of 4567
11/27/12 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Cheer up buddy, average k/d is like .7, you're still a cut above. tongue.gif
I still think we were just plain outmatched when we were playing hardpoint last night. Whenever you jump into the niche playlists, you run into a lot of parties that have their **** straight. I've played a lot of hardpoint with randoms in mercenary and league, and it was night and day how much better they were playing together. I didn't feel like I was losing fair gunfights, their defense was so tight that they always had the superior positioning, and we couldn't break them.
My performance is def inconsistent too....but sometimes you have a bad game, it demoralizes you, and then you only do worse. Sometimes you're up against scrubs, sometimes pros. Sometimes youre on top of it but your team doesnt have your back. And yes, sometimes its your connection. But as good as any team or player is, there's always someone better. And that's a good thing....if I always went 25-5 I'd probably lose interest in the game within a week.

I definitely love your levelheadedness when we play. Especially if we're playing with Pillpusher because it almost counteracts his constant screaming.

Like I said, I will still love the game. I truly just hate the randomness of when it seems bullets kill someone or then they suddenly don't. Trust me, I understand there are many times I simply play a better player or team. It just feels too often that there are other reasons. Ah well, it's all still fun.
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post #1662 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:09am
For those of you that I was playing with last night, you'll get a kick out of this. As you know (and heard plenty of times ha-ha) I pretty much hit my breaking point with this game last night. I'll say it again, all i want is some sort of consistency! I can deal with being beaten by a superior team, what I can't stand is the constant crap that many on this board regurgitate over and over.

However, as you guys might recall we were discussing how crazy it is that you really never see high kill streaks in games like previous COD games. It's been a few weeks and you still very rarely see them achieved. Well, as soon as you guys all left the party I stayed on and played a Dom game by myself, figured I'd throw up some high kill streaks and "shoot for the moon" Buc style. Mind you, every match I run UAV/Hunter/CP.

So I decided to try the following...

Lightning
Stealth
Loader

Couldn't believe it, even after I watched the film. And the funny thing is my team was terrible, we got our butts kicked and I ended up finishing 37-7...

Perhaps there is more to the idea of playing with certain people in certain areas around the country will cause chaos with your connection??? I don't know...?
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post #1663 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:24am
It's like poker....hands are never consistently in your favor, but your skill comes through and good players always win in the long run. Poker is literally random, latency is cause and effect of physical phenomena....either way you need to accept that there's an element that's out of your control. I don't see how you can have a good time playing if you're always fixated on it.

I know its frustrating, I wish it wasnt this way either. But if the problem and the solution is so obvious, why is it still an issue? Perhaps the fix isn't as easy as it looks, or has consequences that are even worse? It's too much of a stretch to believe that there is a legion of incompetent engineers behind the most popular online series in history.
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post #1664 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:28am
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Perhaps there is more to the idea of playing with certain people in certain areas around the country will cause chaos with your connection??? I don't know...?

I can at least tell you with absolutely certainty that literally the worst case scenario for online gaming is to be geographically spread out like we are. The only way it could get worse is if we started throwing some Europeans and Asians into our parties. So to some degree, our group is playing at a *slight* disadvantage in general....but the alternative is to not play together at all. Nothing we can do to speed up internet routing.
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post #1665 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

For those of you that I was playing with last night, you'll get a kick out of this. As you know (and heard plenty of times ha-ha) I pretty much hit my breaking point with this game last night. I'll say it again, all i want is some sort of consistency! I can deal with being beaten by a superior team, what I can't stand is the constant crap that many on this board regurgitate over and over.
However, as you guys might recall we were discussing how crazy it is that you really never see high kill streaks in games like previous COD games. It's been a few weeks and you still very rarely see them achieved. Well, as soon as you guys all left the party I stayed on and played a Dom game by myself, figured I'd throw up some high kill streaks and "shoot for the moon" Buc style. Mind you, every match I run UAV/Hunter/CP.
So I decided to try the following...
Lightning
Stealth
Loader
Couldn't believe it, even after I watched the film. And the funny thing is my team was terrible, we got our butts kicked and I ended up finishing 37-7...Perhaps there is more to the idea of playing with certain people in certain areas around the country will cause chaos with your connection??? I don't know...?


Lodestar is amazing. Enjoyed seeing it in your video quite a bit, haha. Get a lodestar on carrier one time, it might be the most fun thing in the game.
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post #1666 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Lodestar is amazing. Enjoyed seeing it in your video quite a bit, haha. Get a lodestar on carrier one time, it might be the most fun thing in the game.

You know what always cracks me up, is when you do finally do something like I did last night (shoot for the moon and all of a sudden go balls out killstreak wise) - that the game instantly gets better ha-ha.
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post #1667 of 4567
11/27/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's like poker....hands are never consistently in your favor, but your skill comes through and good players always win in the long run. Poker is literally random, latency is cause and effect of physical phenomena....either way you need to accept that there's an element that's out of your control. I don't see how you can have a good time playing if you're always fixated on it.
I know its frustrating, I wish it wasnt this way either. But if the problem and the solution is so obvious, why is it still an issue? Perhaps the fix isn't as easy as it looks, or has consequences that are even worse? It's too much of a stretch to believe that there is a legion of incompetent engineers behind the most popular online series in history.

Agreed, I find that I've got to reel myself in when I get like that last night.

Besides, Pill does enough bitching for all of us biggrin.gif
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post #1668 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Skipdalou View Post

Hah! Can't do it with a freaking gun half the time, though.
Still love the game. Hate the inconsistencies I seem to encounter.
My K/D very well may be at or below 1 by the time this year is done, but being able to try so many random things is making it interesting.

Forget K/D, Its all about Points per second son! You're always at the top of the list so quit whining smile.gif
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post #1669 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

For those of you that I was playing with last night, you'll get a kick out of this. As you know (and heard plenty of times ha-ha) I pretty much hit my breaking point with this game last night. I'll say it again, all i want is some sort of consistency! I can deal with being beaten by a superior team, what I can't stand is the constant crap that many on this board regurgitate over and over.
However, as you guys might recall we were discussing how crazy it is that you really never see high kill streaks in games like previous COD games. It's been a few weeks and you still very rarely see them achieved. Well, as soon as you guys all left the party I stayed on and played a Dom game by myself, figured I'd throw up some high kill streaks and "shoot for the moon" Buc style. Mind you, every match I run UAV/Hunter/CP.
So I decided to try the following...
Lightning
Stealth
Loader
Couldn't believe it, even after I watched the film. And the funny thing is my team was terrible, we got our butts kicked and I ended up finishing 37-7...

I was almost going to play 1 more with you but it was already late. I would have loved to have seen that. I need to play more like you.....I run around like a mad man too much sometimes and its hard to get a higher killstreak playing like that.
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post #1670 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:18am
The most fun I am having in this game is running an all pistol class in Kill Confirmed. LOTS and LOTS of fun the KAP40 is deffinitly the best choice here. Once I get ghost again I am deff spending a token on it.
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post #1671 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:37am
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I was almost going to play 1 more with you but it was already late. I would have loved to have seen that. I need to play more like you.....I run around like a mad man too much sometimes and its hard to get a higher killstreak playing like that.

You do realize I'm one of the worst when it comes to "face meeting bullets" head on, right? I use my speed class most games, playing with a bunch of greenies forced me to slow down that game.

And I will absolutely say, unless you're a god or have major lag advantage - getting those higher kill streaks will be almost impossible running around. Especially with the amount of entry points and spawn issues.
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post #1672 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I can at least tell you with absolutely certainty that literally the worst case scenario for online gaming is to be geographically spread out like we are. The only way it could get worse is if we started throwing some Europeans and Asians into our parties. So to some degree, our group is playing at a *slight* disadvantage in general....but the alternative is to not play together at all. Nothing we can do to speed up internet routing.

this.. i ended up teaming up with 4 other guys in oklahoma and i was smoking everyone.. completely different game...
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post #1673 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:38am
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The most fun I am having in this game is running an all pistol class in Kill Confirmed. LOTS and LOTS of fun the KAP40 is deffinitly the best choice here. Once I get ghost again I am deff spending a token on it.

Mysta and I were discussing this last night. Neither of us have used a permanent token yet, waiting to see what everyone says is the "must have".

Thoughts from any of you on this? Reading various sites it seems most everyone is unlocking Ghost.
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post #1674 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Mysta and I were discussing this last night. Neither of us have used a permanent token yet, waiting to see what everyone says is the "must have".
Thoughts from any of you on this? Reading various sites it seems most everyone is unlocking Ghost.

Ghost, by far. The rest personal preference.

I've unlocked Ghost, Scavenger, Bouncing betty, HAMR, AN-94, ballistic knife (got pissed at knifers and wanted payback) so far.
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post #1675 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

For those of you that I was playing with last night, you'll get a kick out of this. As you know (and heard plenty of times ha-ha) I pretty much hit my breaking point with this game last night. I'll say it again, all i want is some sort of consistency! I can deal with being beaten by a superior team, what I can't stand is the constant crap that many on this board regurgitate over and over.
However, as you guys might recall we were discussing how crazy it is that you really never see high kill streaks in games like previous COD games. It's been a few weeks and you still very rarely see them achieved. Well, as soon as you guys all left the party I stayed on and played a Dom game by myself, figured I'd throw up some high kill streaks and "shoot for the moon" Buc style. Mind you, every match I run UAV/Hunter/CP.
So I decided to try the following...
Lightning
Stealth
Loader
Couldn't believe it, even after I watched the film. And the funny thing is my team was terrible, we got our butts kicked and I ended up finishing 37-7...

Perhaps there is more to the idea of playing with certain people in certain areas around the country will cause chaos with your connection??? I don't know...?
Wow, well done! I couldn't play anymore, I hated this game last night. Ready to see how I feel about it again today though tongue.gif I did have a great match on Halo after I left though and it helped calm my big green rage monster down.
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I can at least tell you with absolutely certainty that literally the worst case scenario for online gaming is to be geographically spread out like we are. The only way it could get worse is if we started throwing some Europeans and Asians into our parties. So to some degree, our group is playing at a *slight* disadvantage in general....but the alternative is to not play together at all. Nothing we can do to speed up internet routing.
I though Asians were good at video games?
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I was almost going to play 1 more with you but it was already late. I would have loved to have seen that. I need to play more like you.....I run around like a mad man too much sometimes and its hard to get a higher killstreak playing like that.
I do well much more often when I play solo. Playing Domination with a team spread out all over hell I feel like my connection is always crap and the other team has to be really bad for me to go positive and still cap flags. I still love a lot of things about this game but I think with some adjustments to the spawns and better management of the lag comp it could feel more balanced.
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post #1676 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Mysta and I were discussing this last night. Neither of us have used a permanent token yet, waiting to see what everyone says is the "must have".
Thoughts from any of you on this? Reading various sites it seems most everyone is unlocking Ghost.

+1 for Ghost.......I like the 4 burst assault rifle too. M8A1 I think. That or scavenger is what I'll use my next one on.
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post #1677 of 4567
11/27/12 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Mysta and I were discussing this last night. Neither of us have used a permanent token yet, waiting to see what everyone says is the "must have".
Thoughts from any of you on this? Reading various sites it seems most everyone is unlocking Ghost.

Ghost, by far. The rest personal preference.

I've unlocked Ghost, Scavenger, Bouncing betty, HAMR, AN-94, ballistic knife (got pissed at knifers and wanted payback) so far.

I went with ghost, tac insert, and flak jacket. Scavenger is probably next, then the kap-40 or tactician. I want to use the AN94 and M8A1 more, but I can always use another rifle...there's no substitute for tac insert.

If its under lvl 30, it ain't worth the point though.
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11/27/12 at 9:02am
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Mysta and I were discussing this last night. Neither of us have used a permanent token yet, waiting to see what everyone says is the "must have".
Thoughts from any of you on this? Reading various sites it seems most everyone is unlocking Ghost.

EMP Grenade and Flak Jacket if you play objectives. Ghost if you play FFA or TDM.

You really don't need Ghost for objective games unless your plan is to camp up one area. Everyone knows where you'll be anyway.
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post #1679 of 4567
11/27/12 at 9:04am
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EMP Grenade and Flak Jacket if you play objectives. Ghost if you play FFA or TDM.
You really don't need Ghost for objective games unless your plan is to camp up one area. Everyone knows where you'll be anyway.

You need ghost if you run and gun, camping it isn't going to help you anyways unless you like running in circles while a UAV is up.

I like running ghost on my shotgun class because on hijacked i can run up under the ship undetected and shoot them all in the back.
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post #1680 of 4567
11/27/12 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

You need ghost if you run and gun, camping it isn't going to help you anyways unless you like running in circles while a UAV is up.
I like running ghost on my shotgun class because on hijacked i can run up under the ship undetected and shoot them all in the back.

Well, in this case by camping I meant patrolling an area. Like on Hijacked roaming either upper deck or the little building on the side. So you're not really sitting still. You're "protecting the area". You should know all about this. biggrin.gif
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