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post #1921 of 4614
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Hey, when real lightning strikes you have some time to find cover after your hair stands on end before it hits you so the added 750ms in Black Ops 2 is on point. Currently in Black Ops 2 it's: Incoming lightning...YOU'RE DEAD...strike!! You just got learned. tongue.gif
Steak & Cake!!!

WTF you get your mic fixed and suddenly you can talk on here, too?

I have this weird feeling that the devs messed up with the initial launch. All these additional milliseconds for these abilities were apparently accidentally added to everybody's ping.
post #1922 of 4614
Seriously.....I mean, wow, I am shocked BD, shocked that in a supposedly major patch, like this was going to be, that they cover almost nothing that the majority of people complaining, complain about. No hint of even a generic sort of "netcode improvement" mentioned....nothing, and nothing about spawns? I need to learn how to do some of this video posting so I can show you guys what happened to me yesterday in one match of Domination. I died six times in a row without taking more than a step or two and four of those deaths were from killstreak rewards that were already in the air and gave me no chance to avoid. The other two deaths were by someone that was close enough to easily kill me. Stuff like this shouldn't happen....EVER! Can they not develop a spawn on teammate system where you spawn on a teammate furthest from an enemy? How about some immunity for 3-4 seconds upon spawning in, is that an option? I don't care one bit about dying in an honest to goodness legitimate way, but this spawn killing, spawn trapping, and obvious lag compensation deciding gun fights way of dying really sucks.

In the end, it's just a game, but I am speechless and in shock at how they can ignore these serious issues in the game.
post #1923 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Skipdalou View Post

WTF you get your mic fixed and suddenly you can talk on here, too?
I have this weird feeling that the devs messed up with the initial launch. All these additional milliseconds for these abilities were apparently accidentally added to everybody's ping.

Only if you have a good connection. The people out there with crap connections and slow speed get "compensated" and can get the draw on those of us with good speeds and connections.
post #1924 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

The 360 patch is supposed to be this weekend so nothing should have changed with the FAL just yet. You were probably on the wrong side of the lag last night.

Well then it is really going to suck after the patch then. Not only that but my son will be on this weekend as well. With both xboxs running on the same internet I don't ever feel like I am on the winning side of lag either.
post #1925 of 4614
I just don't think they will openly address a lag issue on their side, especially since they have come out and said there is no issue with lag in this game. Activision has put out a guide for people to help their connections in Black Ops 2. http://www.examiner.com/article/activision-creates-guide-for-improving-your-black-ops-2-on-line-connection?cid=db_articles

They have to know how much people are complaining about lag comp. Their forums are filled with messages regarding it.

I picture an interview with Nathan Thurm when thinking about Activision talking about the lag in this game. biggrin.gif

post #1926 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

I just don't think they will openly address a lag issue on their side, especially since they have come out and said there is no issue with lag in this game. Activision has put out a guide for people to help their connections in Black Ops 2. http://www.examiner.com/article/activision-creates-guide-for-improving-your-black-ops-2-on-line-connection?cid=db_articles

They have to know how much people are complaining about lag comp. Their forums are filled with messages regarding it.

I picture an interview with Nathan Thurm when thinking about Activision talking about the lag in this game. biggrin.gif


The problem is that they're solely focused on helping people improve their connections, while there is widespread belief out there that having a worse connection is better due to the mythical "lag comp". I don't think they understand how deeply that belief is entrenched, and how poisonous and undermining it is.

It's so far beyond the point of helping people shave a few ms off their ping.
post #1927 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Only if you have a good connection. The people out there with crap connections and slow speed get "compensated" and can get the draw on those of us with good speeds and connections.

What's considered a crap/slow connection? I have 5MB down/.65MB up and I can't win a gun fight in BO2. Enemies soak up bullets like a sponge while I get seemingly instakilled. I flank the enemy for what I think will be easy kills and they turn on me, undamaged, over and over. It's like I'm running around with a squirt gun. I'm definitely not getting compensated. I'm at a .98 kd. I switch over to MW3 for @2 hrs yesterday and manage a 3 kd.
post #1928 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Only if you have a good connection. The people out there with crap connections and slow speed get "compensated" and can get the draw on those of us with good speeds and connections.

As someone with a crap connection I can tell you they don't help us either.
post #1929 of 4614
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

The problem is that they're solely focused on helping people improve their connections, while there is widespread belief out there that having a worse connection is better due to the mythical "lag comp". I don't think they understand how deeply that belief is entrenched, and how poisonous and undermining it is.
It's so far beyond the point of helping people shave a few ms off their ping.

Or is the guide a way to try to cover their butts? "There isn't an issue in our code/game, it's on your side. Here's what you need to do to try to fix it. Still doesn't help? Well it's probably because not everyone has their settings optimized".
post #1930 of 4614
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

As someone with a crap connection I can tell you they don't help us either.

LOL, really? Well, who are they "compensating" for then? I was always under the impression, mainly from comments from others, that the compensation was built in for high latency/slower speed connections. I suppose that is what I get for believing some of the misinformation out there.
post #1931 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

Or is the guide a way to try to cover their butts? "There isn't an issue in our code/game, it's on your side. Here's what you need to do to try to fix it. Still doesn't help? Well it's probably because not everyone has their settings optimized".

Treyarch: Did you try plugging in your Xbox?
Dumb Gamer: No I didn't. Could that be a problem?
Treyarch: Yes
Treyarch: What about your router? Did you put your Xbox in the DMZ?
Dumb Gamer: What's a router? Is that the box with the little robot antennas? Never heard of DMZ. Is he related to DMX?
Treyarch: Also disable any firewall or security features on your router.
Dumb Gamer: Is that safe?
Treyarch: Probably not, but whatevs.
Treyarch: Make sure you set up port forwarding.
Dumb Gamer: Is that like Portal? I liked that game.
Dumb Gamer: So if I do all this my connection will improve?
Treyarch: Fingers crossed.
Dumb Gamer: What if nothing improves after this?
Treyarch: Then it's all your fault.
Treyarch: gtg I have to count your, I mean, my money again. muahahaha. oops did I say that aloud? my bad.
post #1932 of 4614

I should correct my self.

I don't play it on the consoles, mostly on pc since i don't get disconnect. Enough said :)

post #1933 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

LOL, really? Well, who are they "compensating" for then? I was always under the impression, mainly from comments from others, that the compensation was built in for high latency/slower speed connections. I suppose that is what I get for believing some of the misinformation out there.

Near as I can tell they nerf everybody. tongue.gif

The lag comp thing started circulating around with MW3 from what I remember. It doesn't matter, really. This is a new game with new/updated netcode so who knows what they're doing. It doesn't appear that THEY even know what they're doing.
post #1934 of 4614
This game sucks. Its the worst COD game since W@W. Its just not "fun" to play. I have to force myself to play and if I take a break, I definitely dont feel like playing it again. What a disappointment.

Best Xbox360 COD games in my perceived order (I've played all of them):

COD4
MW3
BLOPS
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
COD2
COD3
post #1935 of 4614
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Near as I can tell they nerf everybody. tongue.gif
The lag comp thing started circulating around with MW3 from what I remember. It doesn't matter, really. This is a new game with new/updated netcode so who knows what they're doing. It doesn't appear that THEY even know what they're doing.

Agreed. smile.gif
post #1936 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

This game sucks. Its the worst COD game since W@W. Its just not "fun" to play. I have to force myself to play and if I take a break, I definitely dont feel like playing it again. What a disappointment.
Best Xbox360 COD games in my perceived order (I've played all of them):
COD4
MW3
BLOPS
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
COD2
COD3

1. You've barely played the game. You probably have what, 10 hours in?
2. Based on your list I can tell you don't know what you're talking about. biggrin.gif
post #1937 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

This game sucks. Its the worst COD game since W@W. Its just not "fun" to play. I have to force myself to play and if I take a break, I definitely dont feel like playing it again. What a disappointment.
Best Xbox360 COD games in my perceived order (I've played all of them):
COD4
MW3
BLOPS
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
COD2
COD3

My ranking would be close to yours (so far, through one Prestige on BLOPS II):

MW3
COD 1
COD 4
BLOPS
COD 2
BLOPS 2
W@W
MW2 (great maps though)
COD 3
post #1938 of 4614
Any list that has MW3 above anything else other than W@W, COD 2 or COD 3 can be safely ignored.

BLOPS
COD4
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
MW3
post #1939 of 4614
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Treyarch: Did you try plugging in your Xbox?
Dumb Gamer: No I didn't. Could that be a problem?
Treyarch: Yes
Treyarch: What about your router? Did you put your Xbox in the DMZ?
Dumb Gamer: What's a router? Is that the box with the little robot antennas? Never heard of DMZ. Is he related to DMX?
Treyarch: Also disable any firewall or security features on your router.
Dumb Gamer: Is that safe?
Treyarch: Probably not, but whatevs.
Treyarch: Make sure you set up port forwarding.
Dumb Gamer: Is that like Portal? I liked that game.
Dumb Gamer: So if I do all this my connection will improve?
Treyarch: Fingers crossed.
Dumb Gamer: What if nothing improves after this?
Treyarch: Then it's all your fault.
Treyarch: gtg I have to count your, I mean, my money again. muahahaha. oops did I say that aloud? my bad.

LOL! ....and dude where the hell have you been? If you tell me you are up for some spas-12 on highrise, I will activate my xbl right now!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

This game sucks. Its the worst COD game since W@W. Its just not "fun" to play. I have to force myself to play and if I take a break, I definitely dont feel like playing it again. What a disappointment.
Best Xbox360 COD games in my perceived order (I've played all of them):
COD4
MW3
BLOPS
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
COD2
COD3

Maaaaaaaaaan. That's all I gots to say about that.

MW2 all the way
CoD4
The rest are history but I know I am alone in this and it's ok. There is a reason I have put more hours on MW2 than any other CoD games. I enjoyed it so much that I invested good amount of money on recording equipment to make videos. The other games didn't deserve my attention strong enough. Even if I wanted to get a few games of MW3 with you guys, I can't because I sold all CoD except MW2.
post #1940 of 4614
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

1. You've barely played the game. You probably have what, 10 hours in?
2. Based on your list I can tell you don't know what you're talking about. biggrin.gif

After playing something for 10 hours. You should know if you like it or not.

Even more-so with COD, because its the title I play the most. I've played them all and I know when the game has a flow that feels fun & addictive. And also when it feels tedious and frustrating. My experience with BLOPS2 so far has been beyond tedious & frustrating. I havent had this little fun with a COD title, since W@W. And definitely feels like Treyarch took a step backwards with this title. The weapons are confusing. the pace/spawn/lag is chaotic and theres no steady pace to the game. I could go 3-10, 15-6 or 9-9 and it gives the exact same experience.

Playing BLOPS2, I feel like no matter what I'm doing in the game. Not matter what style I play, what weapons I use or what game type it is. That I have no control over whether I'm doing great or horrible. Its almost as if the game is going on, I'm pushing buttons and my character still has no real control or effect on the outcome.
post #1941 of 4614
I think jitu hit it on the head. This is a mature franchise and there is ZERO reason that COD4 and MW2 should have more accurately balanced gameplay when it comes to in-match lag. Every time I put this game in I end up quiting several matches and ejecting the game to either play something less broken or watch a movie. Yes I will bytch about it because I like COD and paid good money for the game and the Live service to play. I shouldn't have to play a COD title that is several years old to feel like I'm only fighting the enemy team instead of the enemy team and their lag advantage.
post #1942 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Seriously.....I mean, wow, I am shocked BD, shocked that in a supposedly major patch, like this was going to be, that they cover almost nothing that the majority of people complaining, complain about. No hint of even a generic sort of "netcode improvement" mentioned....nothing, and nothing about spawns? I need to learn how to do some of this video posting so I can show you guys what happened to me yesterday in one match of Domination. I died six times in a row without taking more than a step or two and four of those deaths were from killstreak rewards that were already in the air and gave me no chance to avoid. The other two deaths were by someone that was close enough to easily kill me. Stuff like this shouldn't happen....EVER! Can they not develop a spawn on teammate system where you spawn on a teammate furthest from an enemy? How about some immunity for 3-4 seconds upon spawning in, is that an option? I don't care one bit about dying in an honest to goodness legitimate way, but this spawn killing, spawn trapping, and obvious lag compensation deciding gun fights way of dying really sucks.
In the end, it's just a game, but I am speechless and in shock at how they can ignore these serious issues in the game.

Trust me you don't want people spawning with temporal invulnerability. It is really bad. The game Combat Arms has it, and its no good.
post #1943 of 4614
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

Any list that has MW3 above anything else other than W@W, COD 2 or COD 3 can be safely ignored.
BLOPS
COD4
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
MW3

Agreed, though Blops and MW2 would tie for 2nd in my ranking. MW3 was horrific for me.
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Originally Posted by jitu View Post

LOL! ....and dude where the hell have you been? If you tell me you are up for some spas-12 on highrise, I will activate my xbl right now!!!!!!!
Maaaaaaaaaan. That's all I gots to say about that.
MW2 all the way
CoD4
The rest are history but I know I am alone in this and it's ok. There is a reason I have put more hours on MW2 than any other CoD games. I enjoyed it so much that I invested good amount of money on recording equipment to make videos. The other games didn't deserve my attention strong enough. Even if I wanted to get a few games of MW3 with you guys, I can't because I sold all CoD except MW2.

Jitu, I still play MW2. If you ever get back on XBL, then hit me up.
post #1944 of 4614
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

Any list that has MW3 above anything else other than W@W, COD 2 or COD 3 can be safely ignored.
BLOPS
COD4
MW2
BLOPS2
W@W
MW3

In your opinion, which is all I was giving in my post. I put more time and progressed further in MW3 than in any other CoD to date. To me, that says something about the game and the way I perceived it. If it makes you happy to ignore my list, by all means, do it.
post #1945 of 4614
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Originally Posted by Ashi777 View Post

Trust me you don't want people spawning with temporal invulnerability. It is really bad. The game Combat Arms has it, and its no good.

Sure beats the hell out of spawn insta-deaths though.
post #1946 of 4614
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Originally Posted by hushh View Post

Agreed, though Blops and MW2 would tie for 2nd in my ranking. MW3 was horrific for me.
Jitu, I still play MW2. If you ever get back on XBL, then hit me up.

We'll just agree to disagree on MW2. I know it has its lovers here, but to me, with all the heaps and heaps of cheese and ******** in that game, it was the least enjoyable of the series. One Man Army anyone? 1887's killing you from a distance further than some of the SMG's? Entire packs of idiots that are doing nothing but running around stabbing with Marathon/Lightweight/Commando? Those people even had a name created for them they were so prevalent....Commandoweightathoners.

I respect your opinions on MW2, but it was the game above all others, made for the 12-year old squeaker voiced crowd, and they can bury all copies they can find, in the Nevada desert for eternity, as far as I'm concerned. I would NEVER play it again. It is the absolute polar opposite of what I want and enjoy in CoD.
post #1947 of 4614


Here's BLOPS II in a nutshell.
post #1948 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Sure beats the hell out of spawn insta-deaths though.

So if I go back to the MW2 doscussion you'll be talking about how great Painkiller is right? Because what you say this game really needs is probably one of the most hated features from MW2.
post #1949 of 4614
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Originally Posted by mappleby285 View Post

So if I go back to the MW2 doscussion you'll be talking about how great Painkiller is right? Because what you say this game really needs is probably one of the most hated features from MW2.

No, and please, don't put words in my mouth. What I want is for them to fix the spawns so you don't NEED "immunity". I only suggested a very limited time immunity if they are unable to adequately address the spawn problems. I asked if "that was an option". How is it fair for someone to spawn next to a Bouncing Betty? Under a Lightning Strike? In front of a turret? Next to an enemy? Man, that stuff is BS, it shouldn't happen....EVER, and if they can't make it so that it doesn't happen, then give someone a second or two where they won't die from that and if they don't spawn in sight of an enemy, then they will never be immune when they encounter one, ergo, no combat benefit.

I never raved or ranted against Painkiller. I don't recall having an opinion about it one way or the other, nor do I recall rampant complaining. Sure do remember a lot of people complaining about the cheesing in the game though.
post #1950 of 4614
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

In your opinion, which is all I was giving in my post. I put more time and progressed further in MW3 than in any other CoD to date. To me, that says something about the game and the way I perceived it. If it makes you happy to ignore my list, by all means, do it.

Yep, it says you enjoy sh*tty games.







kidding! tongue.gif I put less time and progressed less in MW3 than I did in any other COD. Everyone's different.
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