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post #61 of 4559
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post


A New Hope? The 1980s and Future...sounds better than the Trailer.

Yeah the trailer really didn't make that clear at all. But since then the embargo on all the press lifted and there is a disgusting amount of info there. Polygon has some ridiculously extensive coverage.

The only part I'm slightly turned off by is the missions that seemingly have RTS elements. I need that in my COD as much as I need an FPS sequence in Starcraft. Im not of the camp that thinks COD is stale and needs fixing. I think they should just continue to do what they excel at instead of trying to "answer the critics". But still...benefit of the doubt until I've played it myself.
post #62 of 4559
Looks exciting, reminds me of MGS4. I'm looking forward to more good things from Treyarch, especially after my bitter disappointment with MW3.
post #63 of 4559
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Originally Posted by jammybastard View Post

I'm the opposite.
I'm ready for a radical change, ready for Treyarch to push the limits again like they did with BLOPS.
MW3 sucked all the fun, interest & good will I had for the series and I'm not the only one. Most of the AVS members who played COD4/MW2/BLOPS nightly for 2-3 hours don't play MW3 anymore despite spending $100 for the game & Elite.
My guess is that they are not the only ones.

It's clear that IW/Sledgehammer are out of ideas.
Treyarch is now the lead studio for the series and considering how good their previous effort was I'm willing to let them run with it.
That said it could be a massive overreach. The walkers do look silly.
I think most COD/MW fans are very conservative in their view of what is appropriate for the series and because of that a serious backlash could be brewing.

I guess we just got two totally different experiences out of MW3, but I love it. Sure it's got its issues and things that need tweaking and fixing, but overall I think it's quite solid and great fun.

I just think this is such a drastic departure from the norm that it's gonna drive some people away. I believe focusing on engine optimization, more guns, more options, proficiencies, perks, and customizations for your character would have gone a long way towards really personalizing the game, but it looks as though they are choosing to turn it into Ghost Recon and that really doesn't have the appeal that modern or recent era combat has, for me at least.

Obviously I will still buy it for my son and I and I'm sure it will be a good game, but so far I don't like what I'm seeing.
post #64 of 4559
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post


This does seem pretty far out for just 2025. The walker in particular looks like it could be straight out of battlefield 2142. Its definitely a fine line between cool and corny when they're borderline sci-fi. I dunno how I'm going to feel about it if there's laser guns and cloaking in MP.

Ghost recon future soldier is the new obvious comparison, but it's a radically different game, even though they might be sharing a basic setting. Either way they just put out a modern one, WW2 is still played out...so this is kinda the obvious direction, in a way.

Not so much. NASA has been working on walkers and applying the mechanics from insects and small animals to overcome the limitations of treads for years. I wouldn't be surprised if they based that walker on something that was in a discovery channel program! Remember, technology increases at an exponential rate-- and this is sci fi-- as long as it's presented in a grounded and believable way then they'll get away with it.

Plus all this talk about robotics and drone military vehicles has significant impact for the multiplayer and killstreak system. I imagine the MP will focus heavily on these drones-- just as mw3 started down this road.
post #65 of 4559
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

as long as they keep the COD gameplay & mechanics.. you could make Call of Duty: Medieval Warfare.. that uses swords, arrows & crossbows.

I think me and Gutter would be happy with this but don't forget to bring a throwing ax too!


Interesting trailer. Its not "good old COD" but like many of you have said I think they have to do something to change things up as MW3 while not awful isn't all that great either. I still play it but only with friends, whereas BLOPS & MW2 I would play with strangers a lot. W/O playing with friends I truthfully have no use for the game.

Walkers -- seem silly but we will have to see if they are in the MP side (I would assume so) but they are very slow moving. I would assume they can a decent bit of damage being so slow but then again they may be easy to take out. Looks like they have an "assault drone" like bot as well as the quadrotor (which I am actually ok with but that may change once it comes out as I hate the RCXD like you guys).

Graphics -- ehh so what they are what they are for the console. Until Nextbox, PS4 or whatever they are called hit we are at the limit of the graphics ability especially if you want fast pace, 60 FPS, shooters.

I just want Treyarch to stay on top of this as much as they did BLOPs with patches, fixes, and adjustments. Yes it takes more bullets to kill in BLOPS in MW2 but at least when you got hits they f'ing counted .... unlike MW3.

Greg
post #66 of 4559
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post


Bring life back to it? I think it's alive and well. MW3 has been a great success, I'm still playing it daily, same with my son, and if it takes walking mechs to add life to the series, then its got serious problems. I just don't see the need to go so radical when really all the game engine needs were tweaks. Personally, I just want more options in the game, more guns, more and varied maps, more customization. To me, that would have been killer, without having to resort to making Call of Duty: Ghost Recon edition.

People hate change. You like mw3 so you want more of the same. I'm sure IW/Sledgehammer will have you covered in the coming years as they've shown they have little interest in innovating and like to play things safe. At the same time-- you'd be surprise at how quickly something goes from fun to boring. After cod4 and mw2 (which I played incessantly) I was super ready for mw3. Guess what? Even if mw3 wasn't a steaming pile of laggy mediocrity I would still be bored to tears as the gameplay/tactics are all but identical to the previous game.

3arc has shown a willingness to push the envelop and take some chances with this franchise. Maybe that has to do with their origins as a mod developer-- I don't know-- but I like it. I was quick to dismiss black ops as 'not mw3' but I've grown to appreciate it for it's story driven campaign and it's multiplayer which just has a different 'feel' than the modern warfare series. Again, if cod4 is the progenitor of this series then IW took it down one road and 3arc seems interested in exploring the other directions this franchise could have gone. It's fun and I'm sure at the end of the day this will still be CoD.

If you don't like it-- by all means keep playing MW3 and hang back this round. But don't bemoan this for the rest of us that are burnt out of the same old song and dance and want some fresh ideas.
post #67 of 4559
think they might finally bring vehicles in to cod from that trailer, being able to fly those jets and tanks.
post #68 of 4559
OK, only watched the trailer once; but how can you not be fired up for this? -New MP game engine? (At the very least new improvements)
-A Zork/pick-your-path-like SP campaign! (I love this idea!!)
-Vehicles to operate
-Near future = Bullets, not lasers. ie, not Halo

I think that 3arc will push a little into a "new" area for COD, but it's still gonna be COD at it's heart. I like the way this looks. The Quad-rotor is just gonna be a mini chopper-gunner from Blops. As long as they don't add attack rats/guinea pigs, I think that it will be fine.

The biggest point of contention with me is MP and they are already hinting at steps they taken to make it "better". Time will tell, but I'm in 4 1!!
post #69 of 4559
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Originally Posted by GCS View Post

I think me and Gutter would be happy with this but don't forget to bring a throwing ax too!

Um, yes, please.
post #70 of 4559
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Not so much. NASA has been working on walkers and applying the mechanics from insects and small animals to overcome the limitations of treads for years. I wouldn't be surprised if they based that walker on something that was in a discovery channel program! Remember, technology increases at an exponential rate-- and this is sci fi-- as long as it's presented in a grounded and believable way then they'll get away with it.

I've seen some of that stuff too...but there is something about a walker in particular that screams sci-fi...even if it's close to reality, it still looks like something out of star wars or battletech.

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Plus all this talk about robotics and drone military vehicles has significant impact for the multiplayer and killstreak system. I imagine the MP will focus heavily on these drones-- just as mw3 started down this road.

That was one of the few scraps they let out about MP, although its also one of the most obvious. It'll probably be a lot of replacing human piloted streaks with drones. Instead of AH-6 overwatch, you'll have a quadrotor drone overhead, etc...
post #71 of 4559
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Originally Posted by drudiggs View Post

Um, yes, please.

Uhh wait who is that peeking out from under his rock??
post #72 of 4559
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

think they might finally bring vehicles in to cod from that trailer, being able to fly those jets and tanks.

Treyarch has always been big on vehicles in SP and MP...

But they've never been a positive addition to MP...I kinda want them to just stop trying. The tanks in WaW were retarded, and they negatively influenced the infantry combat by making the maps too big. Dont even get me started on cod 3, the only truly awful cod MP. Little drones to augment the standard infantry combat is one thing, but if they're trying large scale vehicular combat again with the walkers...I'm not on board. Let battlefield do that.

On that note...bad company 2142 would be awesome.
post #73 of 4559
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

think they might finally bring vehicles in to cod from that trailer, being able to fly those jets and tanks.

I am not sure you will see this in the MP.

I think in SP you will pilot a plane etc but MP .. would seem too much like BF to me.
post #74 of 4559
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Originally Posted by GCS View Post

Uhh wait who is that peeking out from under his rock??

Don't you talk about my rock! It's nice and cozy under here, I got a big screen and BF3 keeping me company until BLOPS 2 is out - only then shall I move my rock close to you COD guys again
post #75 of 4559
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

People hate change. You like mw3 so you want more of the same. I'm sure IW/Sledgehammer will have you covered in the coming years as they've shown they have little interest in innovating and like to play things safe. At the same time-- you'd be surprise at how quickly something goes from fun to boring. After cod4 and mw2 (which I played incessantly) I was super ready for mw3. Guess what? Even if mw3 wasn't a steaming pile of laggy mediocrity I would still be bored to tears as the gameplay/tactics are all but identical to the previous game.

3arc has shown a willingness to push the envelop and take some chances with this franchise. Maybe that has to do with their origins as a mod developer-- I don't know-- but I like it. I was quick to dismiss black ops as 'not mw3' but I've grown to appreciate it for it's story driven campaign and it's multiplayer which just has a different 'feel' than the modern warfare series. Again, if cod4 is the progenitor of this series then IW took it down one road and 3arc seems interested in exploring the other directions this franchise could have gone. It's fun and I'm sure at the end of the day this will still be CoD.

If you don't like it-- by all means keep playing MW3 and hang back this round. But don't bemoan this for the rest of us that are burnt out of the same old song and dance and want some fresh ideas.

I'm not "bemoaning" it for all of you, if you like this direction, fine, I just don't think it's going to be as energetic as you guys think and may end up being a real negative as far as the series goes.

I've been playing Call of Duty all the way back to the first one, on the PC, in late 2003 and I don't think the series has gone from fun to boring, in fact, the last two games, Black Ops and MW3, have gotten the most gameplay from me, so if anything, I find the series is getting more of my attention than ever before.

Also, my gripe isn't with "innovation", in fact, I have talked here many times about them maybe needing a new engine, I just think this is such a radical departure, that it maybe is going to create elements that weaken the core gameplay of the series. I think this move towards more vehicles and UAV-type aircraft, for multi-player, is taking away from the gun on gun gameplay that makes CoD the best and most popular FPS series out there. As I said before, there is no shortage of futuristic FPS, so I don't see the desire to move the series to a Ghost Recon-esque level, when there is still a ton of innovation possibilities within a modern combat setting.

That said, I'll be buying at least two copies of Black Ops 2 and I'm sure I'll play the hell out of it and I hope it's the best of the series.
post #76 of 4559
I'm sure it'll be far less radical than it seems now. At the end of the day this is a call of duty game and 3arc knows that. They have an expectation to maintain core gameplay but moving the setting into the future will give them some flexibility to add some new gameplay elements. I don't expect there are going to be jets and tanks ala BF3. I DO expect walking dog tank thingies (may be a killing killstreak as well as a source of mobile cover for your team!), quad rotors and a controllable killstreak similar to the blops gunship based on that sweet harrier-like drone shown bearing down on mason in the trailer-- really just an expansion of concepts we've already seen but with a shiny new setting and some (hopefully) new tactics to move the stale gameplay forward.
post #77 of 4559
Sure the quadrotor may look toy-like, similar to the RC-XD, but all they need to do is make it a higher killstreak. It instantly becomes nothing like the RC-XD.

Vonderhaar said there is a "Mute all but Party" feature. I like that ALOT.
post #78 of 4559
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah the trailer really didn't make that clear at all. But since then the embargo on all the press lifted and there is a disgusting amount of info there. Polygon has some ridiculously extensive coverage.

The only part I'm slightly turned off by is the missions that seemingly have RTS elements. I need that in my COD as much as I need an FPS sequence in Starcraft. Im not of the camp that thinks COD is stale and needs fixing. I think they should just continue to do what they excel at instead of trying to "answer the critics". But still...benefit of the doubt until I've played it myself.

Sounds like more RPG than RTS, but yeah. Treyarch: I don't want Call of Duty: Mass Effect or Call of Duty: Halo or Call of Duty: Ghost Recon or Call of Duty: Battlefield.

That's my concern with this. It just looks and sounds like they're trying to work in pieces from successful series instead of creating their own thing. It's FrankenCoD.

Also, hopefully the map designs for MP will be better than the stuff they showed there. They did some really nice maps in Blops but the scenery here looks like MW3 maps - various shades of gray and brown.
post #79 of 4559
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

Sure the quadrotor may look toy-like, similar to the RC-XD, but all they need to do is make it a higher killstreak. It instantly becomes nothing like the RC-XD.

Vonderhaar said there is a "Mute all but Party" feature. I like that ALOT.

Oh, you kids and your RCXD bitching.
post #80 of 4559
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Originally Posted by drudiggs View Post

Don't you talk about my rock! It's nice and cozy under here, I got a big screen and BF3 keeping me company until BLOPS 2 is out - only then shall I move my rock close to you COD guys again

Be careful I see enough of an opening to stick that crossbow bolt in there and blow your a$$ up!

Of course I will have to avoid the tomahawk flying at my face while I do this

Greg
post #81 of 4559
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Oh, you kids and your RCXD bitching.

No, I have no problem with the RC-XD. It was a reference to the whiners who don't even know 95% of what the game will be like yet are whining already. It's like people are already assuming that the quadrotor will be a 3-killstreak reward.
post #82 of 4559
I like the idea of radical change. It may not work but I'm looking forward to seeing if it will. We can always count on IW to bring back kill streaks and lag comp the following year. I still play MW3 all the time but I'm not much of a gamer so it doesn't say much. I play Halo and COD and that's about it. I stray once in a while but I'm pretty boring when it comes to gaming, I enjoy movies much more.

I was very impressed with the Crysis 2 MP so I'm looking forward to this even if it is out of the COD norm.
post #83 of 4559
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

No, I have no problem with the RC-XD. It was a reference to the whiners who don't even know 95% of what the game will be like yet are whining already. It's like people are already assuming that the quadrotor will be a 3-killstreak reward.

Nah! It's gonna be future-fied. You'll have a Primary slot, 2ndary slot and a unmanned slot that will feature the Quad-rotor, Recon drone, etc. So MP can be nothing but a sky full of Quad-rotors in dog-fights.
post #84 of 4559
Excited for the game, as Mw3 is by far the worst of the call of duty games. From watching the trailer, it looks like they have ripped off the movie Avatar, from the Hovering air vehicle to the walker. In any matter should be sweet, as long as the weapons dont become Halo. Treyarch in my mind clearly makes much better maps. And they have stated that the maps will be large like black ops, rather than the cluster f that mw3 maps are, where the maps are so small you cant spawn. Cant wait to see some multiplayer at E3. Sure Microsoft will have it during their presentation.
post #85 of 4559
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Originally Posted by gcs View Post

be careful i see enough of an opening to stick that crossbow bolt in there and blow your a$$ up!

Of course i will have to avoid the tomahawk flying at my face while i do this

Greg

And you know thisss! Man!
post #86 of 4559
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Cant wait to see some multiplayer at E3. Sure Microsoft will have it during their presentation.

Don't count on it. They haven't shown MP at e3 for years now. They have their own convention now. It'll almost certainly be in September like last year, which lines up with the end of DLC releases for MW3. Showing too early means showing things that may change, not to mention jeopardize MW3 DLC sales.

Over the next few months we'll probably be able to piece together some stuff from twitter tidbits, and be constantly barraged by rumors, of which 90% end up false. Probably even worse this time around because the future setting allows people to make up crazy **** without being implausible.

For instance, things that have already been mentioned by press who've seen the game.

Scope that lets you see through walls
Sniper rifle that shoots through walls
Wrist mounted grenade launcher
Wrist gadget that knocks people down with a blast of air

And that's the stuff from people who actually seen it!

4 more months.
post #87 of 4559
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Excited for the game, as Mw3 is by far the worst of the call of duty games. From watching the trailer, it looks like they have ripped off the movie Avatar, from the Hovering air vehicle to the walker. In any matter should be sweet, as long as the weapons dont become Halo. Treyarch in my mind clearly makes much better maps. And they have stated that the maps will be large like black ops, rather than the cluster f that mw3 maps are, where the maps are so small you cant spawn. Cant wait to see some multiplayer at E3. Sure Microsoft will have it during their presentation.

I felt more Deus Ex from the trailer... even down to the music.
post #88 of 4559
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post


I was very impressed with the Crysis 2 MP so I'm looking forward to this even if it is out of the COD norm.

+1, Crysis 2 Multiplayer was fantastic!
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What's great is if you don't like the futuristic idea behind this COD there's only four freaking other ones set in the recent past/modern era already out that you can play instead.
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