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post #1 of 1104
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just added to Onkyo USA site

http://www.us.onkyo.com/prod_class.c...e=caroseulmenu

Big Changes ... 818 has Audyssey XT32 , pre-outs for 9.2 , PIP
post #2 of 1104
This awesome news, XT32 at a lower price point. Apart from the amp section the new 818 is now equal to my 3009.
post #3 of 1104
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

This awesome news, XT32 at a lower price point. Apart from the amp section the new 818 is now equal to my 3009.

Yup !!
Onkyo is gonna sell a huge amount of these ..
that also means the coming TX-NR1010 will have XT32 as well .
Who will need a pricey Pre/Pro then............................... L O L !
post #4 of 1104
I wonder what they will street for?


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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yup !!
Onkyo is gonna sell a huge amount of these ..
that also means the coming TX-NR1010 will have XT32 as well .
Who will need a pricey Pre/Pro then............................... L O L !
post #5 of 1104
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the Onk site lists the MSRP soo about that alittle less .. great deal with all those features
the XT32 is a huge feature !
the 818 has 11 speaker terminals & has 9 plus 2 sub Pre-outs as well ..but it's only listed as a 7.2 AVR
I wonder if you can "run" a 9.2 systems off amps & it appears that it does , used as Pre/Pro this is great value over say a Onk 3009 or 5009 or even the 5509 Pre/Pro
it say it has NEO-X soo that is 9 channels of wides & heights . Hmmmmm
post #6 of 1104
Gonna have to sell my 809 which has worked great, and it sounds so damn nice too. I want that XT32.


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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

the Onk site lists the MSRP soo about that alittle less .. great deal with all those features
the XT32 is a huge feature !
the 818 has 11 speaker terminals & has 9 plus 2 sub Pre-outs as well ..but it's only listed as a 7.2 AVR
I wonder if you can "run" a 9.2 systems off amps & it appears that it does , used as Pre/Pro this is great value over say a Onk 3009 or 5009 or even the 5509 Pre/Pro
it say it has NEO-X soo that is 9 channels of wides & heights . Hmmmmm
post #7 of 1104
Sweet! I've been hoping for a less expensive receiver with XT32. The 818 sounds like a great option.
post #8 of 1104
Here's some info on the 818 at Amazon. And the other models as well further down the page.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818.../dp/B007JOO4XE
post #9 of 1104
They might as well just scratch the 717 since I don't see anybody spending that much for a receiver with 2EQ. The 818 is a sweet deal so I will be getting one this year for sure. I have waited a long time for XT32.
post #10 of 1104
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

They might as well just scratch the 717 since I don't see anybody spending that much for a receiver with 2EQ.

I completely agree. I've been waiting on the sidelines to see what Onkyo was going to release. It seems like they have made the decision that video upscaling is more important than the higher level audyssey. I think that is a mistake. The only thing I see 1080p upscaling is good for is a Wii. All of my other content is either already HD or I can transcode it to HD if I need/want to. 4K resolution is a complete waste of time IMO. By the time that 4K TVs are affordable I'll be ready to replace my receiver as well. I can't escape the fact that the receiver only has 2EQ. I'm likely going to be purchasing a Denon AVR-2112CI now.
post #11 of 1104
The 818 seems like a great deal except it seems to be the replacement for the 1009 instead of the 809. When viewed that way, it's not a huge improvement.

I wouldn't pay $1,000 for an 818, which seems like what the street price will be. At least until the fall. Maybe when it gets to $850 or so, i'll be tempted.
post #12 of 1104
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I would assume that when they release the 1009 replacement then it too will have XT32 as well as that is true 9.2 AVR .The 818 looks to do 9.2 as a pre/pro only OR using a stand alone 2 channel external amp .
The interesting thing about the coming 1009 replacement is it's makes for a very inexpensive Pre/Pro to the likes of the 3009,5009,SC5509 flagship line @ a fraction of the costs
post #13 of 1104
Hello,
I cannot believe the 717's MSRP is $999 and is downgraded from MultEQ XT to 2EQ. This is a major downgrade from the 709. The 818 should sell like hotcakes and it is hard to believe for only $100 more, you get XT32/SubEQ HT. The only thing I am not pleased about with the 818 is the deletion of the Multichannel Inputs that the 809 and previous 800 Series offered.
Cheers,
AD
post #14 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
I cannot believe the 717's MSRP is $999 and is downgraded from MultEQ XT to 2EQ. This is a major downgrade from the 709. The 818 should sell like hotcakes and it is hard to believe for only $100 more, you get XT32/SubEQ HT. The only thing I am not pleased about with the 818 is the deletion of the Multichannel Inputs that the 809 and previous 800 Series offered.
Cheers,
AD

Onkyo is removing a lot of the connections to reduce costs ,I'm not saying that is good thing for those who have older gear, but is just how the market is
post #15 of 1104
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Originally Posted by wsume99 View Post

I completely agree. I've been waiting on the sidelines to see what Onkyo was going to release. It seems like they have made the decision that video upscaling is more important than the higher level audyssey. I think that is a mistake. The only thing I see 1080p upscaling is good for is a Wii. All of my other content is either already HD or I can transcode it to HD if I need/want to. 4K resolution is a complete waste of time IMO. By the time that 4K TVs are affordable I'll be ready to replace my receiver as well. I can't escape the fact that the receiver only has 2EQ. I'm likely going to be purchasing a Denon AVR-2112CI now.

I argee, 4k is a waste for 99% of people. I don't even see the point in 4k tvs unless you are going to sit 4 feet from an 80". I only see it really being helpful for big time projection systems so people can go with huge screens at a short distance. I think the 818 will canabalize the 717 and I doubt they will sell at all. They should have MultEQ on the 616 and XT on the 717. My brother asked me for a recomendation on a new receiver last year and I told him to go with 2112. He loves it and after I ran Audyssey it really sounds great.

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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

The 818 seems like a great deal except it seems to be the replacement for the 1009 instead of the 809. When viewed that way, it's not a huge improvement.

I wouldn't pay $1,000 for an 818, which seems like what the street price will be. At least until the fall. Maybe when it gets to $850 or so, i'll be tempted.

I am hoping the 818 will sell for a similar price of the 809. I would love to snatch one up in couple of months for under 700.
post #16 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Onkyo is removing a lot of the connections to reduce costs ,I'm not saying that is good thing for those who have older gear, but is just how the market is

Hello,
I do get the removal of the MCH Inputs, but for the 717 to degrade to 2EQ whilst costing $1000 is insane. While only the 705 and 709 offered MultEQ XT, the 706, 707, and 708 at least offered MultEQ. For an Audyssey equipped AVR to cost that much and provide no EQ on the Subwoofer Channel is pretty shocking and disappointing to me.

Prior, I have always though the 700 Series was a very flexible platform should a person decide to upgrade their HT with Preamp Outputs, THX Post Processing and Audyssey MultEQ all at a very attractive pricepoint.
Cheers,
AD
post #17 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
I do get the removal of the MCH Inputs, but for the 717 to degrade to 2EQ whilst costing $1000 is insane. While only the 705 and 709 offered MultEQ XT, the 706, 707, and 708 at least offered MultEQ. For an Audyssey equipped AVR to cost that much and provide no EQ on the Subwoofer Channel is pretty shocking and disappointing to me.

Prior, I have always though the 700 Series was a very flexible platform should a person decide to upgrade their HT with Preamp Outputs, THX Post Processing and Audyssey MultEQ all at a very attractive pricepoint.
Cheers,
AD

I fully agree with you on that ! I had a 707 as well but it was not a NR model had no networking at all . & I sold it due to that .
with what the differences are between the 818 & a 717 are huge
the 717 is WAY over priced by a long shot to say the least
post #18 of 1104
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as I have owed a 606, a 707, still own a 807 , still own a 5008 , & just bought a 1009 , I can say that the Video processing has greatly improved with each new model year . the most recent 1009, the PQ is stunning !
I must note that I use the processing to up scale & clean up a DirecTV HD signal feed in to 80" Sharp display & a 46" bedroom Sharp as well
post #19 of 1104
The 818 is an amazing piece at this price. High end at mid end pricing! If it is not the receiver of the year then the voting is fixed!
post #20 of 1104
Wonder what the top of the line unit will be?
1018?
post #21 of 1104
Hello,
I would be surprised if the 3000 and 5000 Series went away as they are in a category of 2 when it comes to THX Ultra2 Plus AVR's priced below 3K and new Ultra2 Plus AVR's in general. Granted, the $5500 AVR-5308CI has a new lease on life thanks to the available upgrade to XT32/SubEQ HT and 3D, but Denon is not making these upgrades to current and future 5308's on the production line and will always be a owner option. Pretty surprising considering the price.
AD
post #22 of 1104
Does anyone know if on the 818, a 12v trigger can be used for an external amp driving the pre-outs?

From reading the specs, it looks like it's only setup for zones 2 and 3 and not zone 1.
post #23 of 1104
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

Does anyone know if on the 818, a 12v trigger can be used for an external amp driving the pre-outs?

From reading the specs, it looks like it's only setup for zones 2 and 3 and not zone 1.

yes the Onkyo can be as a trigger by the zone 3 setting.
just set zone 3 to source & when you turn on the zone 3 it then triggers the external amps
my 5008 & 1009 both work that way with my 2 Emotiva UPA-7 & UPA-2
You can even piggy back / daisy chain the external amps as well .
what you can't do is run them as a trigger & a Zone 3 speakers @ the same time .It's one or the other .
which is why the 818 is really a great inexpensive way to have a Pre/Pro.
if set-up right it will do every thing the expensive Onkyo Pre/Pro SC5509 will do .
with the unit set-up as pre/pro, The 9 pre-outs ( plus the 2 Sub pre-outs ) can & will do 9.2

I can easliy start my 2 Emo's on the remote by selecting zone 3 on & then hit receiver on & the Onkyo starts as well . turns off by repeating that order in reverse
post #24 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

yes the Onkyo can be as a trigger by the zone 3 setting.
just set zone 3 to source & when you turn on the zone 3 it then triggers the external amps
my 5008 & 1009 both work that way with my 2 Emotiva UPA-7 & UPA-2
You can even piggy back / daisy chain the external amps as well .
what you can't do is run them as a trigger & a Zone 3 speakers @ the same time .It's one or the other .
which is why the 818 is really a great inexpensive way to have a Pre/Pro.
if set-up right it will do every thing the expensive Onkyo Pre/Pro SC5509 will do .
with the unit set-up as pre/pro, The 9 pre-outs ( plus the 2 Sub pre-outs ) can & will do 9.2

I can easliy start my 2 Emo's on the remote by selecting zone 3 on & then hit receiver on & the Onkyo starts as well . turns off by repeating that order in reverse

If I use a 5 channel external amp in a 9.2 setup with front heights, am I forced to use the external amp on particular channels? Or can I pick any 5 I want and let the receiver handle the other 4?
post #25 of 1104
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

If I use a 5 channel external amp in a 9.2 setup with front heights, am I forced to use the external amp on particular channels? Or can I pick any 5 I want and let the receiver handle the other 4?

looking @ the back panel I think the heights &/or wides are the extra outs
so those two would have to be on the external amp .
which is good as the wides should be close to the size of the mains ,
so you could run wides =>mains=> center =>off the 5 channel amp & the rest Hights/backs, surrounds, off the Onkyo
that's how i was doing it (though 7 channels) till I got the UPA-2
post #26 of 1104
Why is everyone so down on the 717? I don't understand why this is such a bad buy. Can someone please list all the reasons why the 717 is so bad?

Thanks.



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post #27 of 1104
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Originally Posted by NetGod View Post

Why is everyone so down on the 717? I don't understand why this is such a bad buy. Can someone please list all the reasons why the 717 is so bad?

Thanks.



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for a few more dollars the 818 has a boatload of features that the 717 does not have . add that it's also a 9.2 with Audyssey XT32
that's why ,
not saying the 717 is a bad AVR but "bang-4-buck" the 818 has it beat in spades
post #28 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

looking @ the back panel I think the heights &/or wides are the extra outs
so those two would have to be on the external amp .
which is good as the wides should be close to the size of the mains ,
so you could run wides =>mains=> center =>off the 5 channel amp & the rest Hights/backs, surrounds, off the Onkyo
that's how i was doing it (though 7 channels) till I got the UPA-2

Thanks for the replies.

I'll run everything but the surrounds off the amp and let the receiver handle the surrounds.
post #29 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

for a few more dollars the 818 has a boatload of features that the 717 does not have . add that it's also a 9.2 with Audyssey XT32
that's why ,
not saying the 717 is a bad AVR but "bang-4-buck" the 818 has it beat in spades

I agree, but I would say the 717 is a bad deal for a msrp close to $1,000. Not just bad relative to the 818. It should really msrp at something like $799 and retail for around $649. I would take a 709 over it and a new 709 can be had for around $550.
post #30 of 1104
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

for a few more dollars the 818 has a boatload of features that the 717 does not have . add that it's also a 9.2 with Audyssey XT32
that's why ,
not saying the 717 is a bad AVR but "bang-4-buck" the 818 has it beat in spades

9.2 surround sound? (I don't have that. I have 5.1 and have no desire to ever add more speakers.)

Audyssey XT32? (Why do I need this so badly? Can you please explain why this is the must have feature? Will I REALLY hear a difference in my sound quality?)

Additionally, Can you please define and list these 'boatload' you speak of? (Because so far, I have not heard anything of value that makes me want to buy any of those 'boats'.)




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