Onkyo New AVR's TX-NR818,717,616 official Discussion [No Price Talk]Thread - Page 35

I'm not going to argue the merits (or lack thereof) of Audyssey 2EQ with you; I simply made a comparison between my Onkyo with 2EQ and my former Pioneer with MCACC. The difference is AMAZING. Whether that can be attibuted to various differences in the two receivers (such as power, amplier, etc.) or the different room corrections (Audyssey vs. MCACC), or a combination of the two, I'm don't know. What I do know is the system has never sounded better, period! Do I still wish I could have afforded the 818 with Audyssey MultiEQ XT32? You bet! Do I think it could sound better with the XT32? Yes again! But for what I was able to afford at this time, I'm one happy camper regarding the sound. There is a seamless blend between my SVS sub and my Cambridge Soundworks speakers and the bass is accurate and tight. Why shouldn't I be satisfied (all things considered)?

Be satisfied and "there is only one option" - are two different things
717 should have good powerful amp section. May be this is enough reason to be better than your old Pioneer (by the way what model?).
But 2EQ is really very basic and does nothing below 1kHz, so, claiming that it is so good at making seamless blend between your sub and speakers and responsible for accurate and tight bass... Well it cannot be as it does nothing in the bass range and hardly does something for mids also.

For XT32, yes it is great at flattening frequency response, but unfortunately on 818 it also suffers from a bug that can easily make it boost low frequencies bellow rolloff frequency by +10dB... Not good for sound. So, with 717 you at least get what is on the specs without unpleasant 'side effects'. So I am happy you are satisfied with your choice

Well I bring up the 818 because it has the upgrade from 2EQ, but the price is considerably more than the 717.

First of all, I realize that 2EQ does little for my sub (i.e. it does NOT "EQ" it...it does NOT provide resolution filters for it), but it does allow the Onkyo receiver to set proper crossovers of my other speakers so the proper bass will be sent from them to my sub. This, I believe, helps greatly "at making a seamless blend between my sub and speakers."

I was not aware of the problem with XT32 in the 818 causing it to "boost low frequenices below rolloff frequency by +10dB. So, yes, I'm glad I'm not experiencing those "unpleasant side effects." Again, I am truly happy with the sound and though I'm sure I'm missing out BIG TIME by not having my whole speaker system properly calibrated, I take comfort in the old adage, "Ignorance is bliss."

By the way, the Pioneer model was the VSX-919AH.

Do you have a link for this 818 issue?

Link to my measurements @ Audyssey thread
And another user measurements from russian forum - blue line there is the unfiltered Audyssey correction curve.

In your opinion, what is a better alternative to a 818?

Marantz (SR5007, SR6007)
Denon (AVR-2313CI, AVR-3313CI)
Pioneer (SC-61)
Yamaha (RX-A1020)

I have an Onkyo 616, already has about 6 months, and I never played in the 2-5 Equalizer (EQ ​​Manual).

I have a pair of TSi200 Polkaudio, Polkaudio CS 10 (center), a pair of Polkaudio FXi A6 and an Infinity PS312.

You guys recommend that I change something or leave that part quiet? My HT, at the moment, is playing beautifully, whether for films, TV series and games.

But it is, we are always seeking to improve and improve.

Sorry my bad English

I just got these two components a couple weeks ago. The main reason I got the Vizio was it had an Amazon Prime app. Everything runs through the Onkyo with only the main HDMI (ARC) out to the Vizio main HDMI (ARC) input, that's only cable to the TV. I didn't want to run an optical cable to the receiver. Long Story short, after a lot of screwing around, I finally had this connection working using CEC . I was able to watch Netflix, Amazon, blah, blah, with sound coming from TV's HDMI cable to receiver with TV/CD selected on the Onkyo. I took everything apart to rearrange components and ARC audio hasn't worked since. Any clues or help is appreciated.

Run Audyssey calibration, if you want to try it. If you don't like it, you can always go back to your manual settings.

Yes, it seems HDMI-CEC is usually required to be turned on (on both machines) for ARC to work. Be sure it didn't get turned off in either machine.

 

By not working, you mean the Amazon App audio is coming from the TV speakers now?

Edited by Tesla1856 - 2/19/13 at 4:59pm

well the TV speakers are off, but essentially yes.

Be sure the Vizio TV is also HDMI v1.4 in specs.

 

Be sure Pins 14 and 19 are connected on your HDMI cable. Personally, when I do a ARC install, I just make sure the HDMI cable is marked or rated for HDMI v1.4

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi

I have a tx-nr 616 I got a bic FL6-LRC DUEL 6 1/2 center speaker ran audyssey 2EQ it set the cross over to 120 Hz what does that mean should I put it at 80 will I IT effect sound from the center speaker.

Well, I just got my 616 from Onkyo refurb this morning. It was in perfect condition and even had the stickers on the front and came with batteries (website warns this may not be the case). It also came with the latest 400 firmware.

Setup went extremely smooth and I am very happy. Of course reading the PDF manual prior to arrival certainly helped!

I ran the full Audyssey mode and it went off without a hitch. Afterwards I adjusted my subwoofer distance (which seemed about 3 feet off) and increased my crossover rates (Audyssey set at 40Mhz for everything but the center), so I adjusted the center and surround to 80Mhz and the front's to 60Mhz. Seemed better to my ears.

I am waiting on UPS to arrive with the wireless dongle to setup my network. So far I couldn't be happier and glad I didn't spend more on something else. I almost wish we had a 616 forum or 515/616/717 forum. This thread is almost dedicated to the Audyssey XT32/818 which is over twice the cost.


(background info: replaced failed Yamaha RX-V663- Speakers: Infinity Beta 40 fronts, Beta 20 surrounds, Beta 360 center, and Infinity SW-12 sub)

--
Doug

Sounds like it's defective or hooked up wrong (check wires). Should have determined 40-50Hz.

 

http://www.acoustechspeakers.com/showpage.php?brand=2&type=6&spkrID=83

 

If other speakers sets also got determined way off like that, might be bad mic or 616 unit itself. Remember to use a tripod, be quiet, and don't block sound.

I'll try it again tonight I did use a tripod I wasn't in the room while it was running for each position I'LL take a little more care tonight and see what I get.
It maybe my living room, its all tile and will that make a difference and make it that high? i also noticed that the center speaker was tilted down too much, it's above the tv and it may be tilted to much and hitting my glass coffee table.
i did turn it to 80hz but was worried i would throw things out of wak.
Edited by bargervais - 2/20/13 at 1:14pm

If I'm not mistaken, calibrating system to room acoustics is a function of Audyssey in the first place.

 

I have had Audyssey point me to bad speakers before (bad tweeter driver actually ... I replaced it).

 

Again, check pos/neg on wires and maybe try 16 gauge or better. 120Hz means Audyssey found the speaker to be capable of very little bass.

Ok, I just ran it again now it's better the fronts are at 70hz center at 90hz surround 60hz and LPF at 120hz it sounds much Better the back speakers are at 150hz but those are ceiling speakers that are pointing straight down and are about four feet behind my couch and they are not the best speakers in the world but I'm not too worried about those right now till I replace them.
This weekend I'm going to replace the wires then I'll take another reading.
Edited by bargervais - 2/21/13 at 3:43am

Ok I'm considering getting the 818 so i need to be clear on one thing. Is the only way to get 9.2 is by using EXT AMP

From what I've read (I have the 818) - Yes. You need an external amp to get 9.X.

thanks for yor answer
thats good to know i have the 616 right now 7.2 running front highs and love it, but i also want to upgrade my other room and I want to go 9.2 in there.

From what I see here all that you want to do is put someone down! Is this what this forum is for?? Strange I thought it was to discuss AVS equipment!!

Hi all,

I have a '616 that is about a month old and I have some questions about listening modes.
Some of these modes seem a bit gimmicky (Orchestra, Studio-Mix), but some seem to be tied in to the source material (Dolby, DTS, Audyssey).
Do I need to set the mode based on the DVD or Blu-Ray that I am playing?

Also, all music is coming from all five speakers. This is true for FM radio, as well as CDs of older music that was definitely recorded in two-channel mode. I was expecting this to be 2.1.
Is this also a mode that I need to set? I see that there is a Stereo mode, but I would be surprised if I have to set it explicitly. I would think that music would be 2.1 by default and you would have to make an effort to put it into a mode that simulates 5.1.

Thanks,
-John

I'm trying to get Audyssey to work on my new TX-NR616. I have a 5.1 set-up. It errors out every time looking for rear surrounds which I don't currently have.

I can't even break out my trusty SPL meter, as the level settings menu is grayed out.

If Fry's has a comparable receiver on sale tomorrow, this puppy might be going back. The only thing I love so far are the 8! HDMI inputs.

Anyhoo, anyone that got Audyssey to work with 5.1 please let me know the secret. My HK AVR-247 had the same issue, but I was easily able to manually set the levels with a SPL meter.

Audyssey will fail if speakers are bad or not connected correctly (check wire continuity and polarity). Two AVRs doing the same thing? I would be looking closely at those surround speakers or switch front to side surround (as a test ... see where problem follows). In 5.1, there is no "back" speakers.

 

You can turn off Audyssey and manually config settings. You will also have no EQ obviously.

Edited by Tesla1856 - 4/25/13 at 8:25pm

1. Yes, that is kinda the point of Listening Modes

 

2. By programming your Listening Modes correctly (just once), the AVR should do it for you (forever).

 

Read manual about Listening Modes or search forum. If you still need help, I can try to find one of my old posts.

For whatever reason it doesn't like my surrounds. The Harmon issue was well known and had nothing to do with Audyssey.

I'll recheck the connections plus tomorrow's Fry's ad!

Oh, ok ... not familiar with HK avrs.

 

I have always used Audyssey and I have also found it helps check everything (it helped me find a bad speaker once ... blown tweeter driver). In general, you must use the supplied mic and it really helps if placed on real tripod.

 

But I also wanted to mention ... it's perfectly fine to turn off Audyssey and set manual settings (especially since you have the meter). All that means is that you will be listening to the audio exactly as encoded in the media.