Onkyo New AVR's TX-NR818,717,616 official Discussion [No Price Talk]Thread - Page 8

If you have no plans to need an iPhone/iPod dock, or HD radio (no universal port on the 818), and don't need analog multi-channel input (most folks don't) then go ahead and upgrade to the 818 and get the better EQ with audyssey.

If the things Onkyo has removed from the 809 are things you'll need, then you may be better off upgrading to an NRx009 AVR, or keeping the 809.
The xxx9 models all have XT32 as well, and keep the U port and analog inputs also.

It'll be interesting to see your results - compare the 2 EQ setups and see which one works best with the subs.

[quote=GlassWolf;21961038]
I see many car analogy from some members here, so that is why I said "another". It wasn't relevant IMO as this is an A/V forum not an auto forum. Maybe some see the relevance in your analogy but I did not.


I would say $1k is the max for what I would consider and affordable sub. Looking quickly online the True Subwoofer EQ 10 - TS-EQ10 lists for $1750 which I do not consider affordable for a 10" sub with or without EQ. Maybe the street prices are less but still quite a bit of money for a 10" sub. Chances are you will need two of them so now you would be spending well over $2k for two 10" subs.

Have you had a Sunfire sub with their EQ system in your system? If you have how well does it work in your room? Have you tried an AVR/prepro with XT32 in your room? What vital features has Onkyo "stripped" out of the 818 that were included in the 809 that effect overall SQ?


Huh?

Bill

[quote=Bill Mac;21961765]
I do use a 10" Sunfire, and in a 16'x18' room, with a single sub, it's amazing. That sub can rattle the entire house. A ten-inch sub sounds fairly small, especially with a cube enclosure of 11" on all sides, but the 2700 watt amplifier makes a huge difference. It really is a fantastic sub, and I purchased mine on eBay used for about $440 to my door. New you can get one for around $900 in regards to your question about the going street price.

The features that were removed affect functionality, not SQ, which to me is equally important. As I've already mentioned repeatedly in this thread, losing analog multi-channel inputs (granted I don't use them myself) as well as (more importantly to me) the universal port, which allows me to use docking stations for iDevices and (again important to me) my HD radio tuner is a deal-killer. I can understand dropping the analog inputs, but why lose the U-port? The first generation of Onkyo NRx00x receivers had HD radio built-in. The next year they made it a $150 option with their U-port add-on, and while they've kept the U-port on the NRx009 units, they are beginning to drop the feature from their 2012 line-up.

Sure XT32 is great to have. I never denied that. What I want to know is why they are pulling other features out of what is supposed to be a successor to the NR809.

Now I'm pretty much forced to buy a refurbed x008 or x009 to get (multi-channel analog inputs) a Universal port, and XT32. It seems to be a little overkill to buy one of those when I'm running a 5.1 system with external amplifiers and powered stereo zone 2. I could do all of this with a 7.2 AV receiver with equally good results if the AVR had the same features as the prior year, with the addition of XT32/sub-EQ.

Heck I even agree with you about not needing to buy a sub with room EQ when the AVR already offers it and integrates it with the full audio spectrum equalizing, so you get a better transition from mains to sub.. Like I said, I'm not anti-XT32. I'm miffed about the removal of other features that, to me, make the AVR more functional.

[quote=GlassWolf;21962148]

Great price on the Sunfire! Thats good that it works well in your room and thats all that counts.


The only feature that you mentioned that I would miss is the 7.1 analog input. I flip flop back and forth with using the analog output of my Oppo 83SE or HDMI (to use XT) for MCH music on my 886. Chances are I will go higher up the model line of either Onkyo or Denon to replace my 886.


I understand your frustration. But you can always move up the model line (1010?) or as you mentioned go with something from this model year that has XT32. I'm guessing to have an EQ system as good as XT32 to do ones entire system in one package is the best way to go. I have the Anti-Mode 8033C that I use along with XT and when I get something with XT32 the 8033C will be up for sale.

Bill

I guess in a nutshell, it bothers me that I have to move to such an expensive receiver, and go to 9.2 channels, just to keep HD radio/U-port. That's what's really bothering me. This is especially true since I'm only using 5.1 channels at present.

I mis-spoke earlier. My bedroom is 16x18 feet. The living room is 16x20 feet.
Anyway, maybe I can find a good deal on a used 3008 through 5009 when I get ready to replace this current Integra AVR. Maybe I'll get lucky. I just don't think the 818 is going to be for me, and I was considering an 809, but I'll probably just hold out for something 9.2, with XT32/subEQ.

Strangely enough, I love my Anti-Mode so much I kind of hate to buy something that'll make it obsolete.

I assumed that there would be little value to the Anti-Mode and XT32 together. Does XT32 do everything that the Anti-Mode is doing? Is there really no benefit to running them together?

ummm...I thought the same thing but read this link.
https://audyssey.zendesk.com/forums/.../20953442.html

+1 and rebutted in another tread. Nothing half baked functionally.

This is a good question. I do not know enough technically about either the Anti-Mode or XT32 to know if running the two together is a benefit or not. My guess would be that XT32 with SubEQ would be fine by itself. I have the Anti-Mode mainly to EQ my sub when listening to 2CH music with my Parasound 2100. When I use my Onkyo 886 for MCH music and HT the Anti-Mode is in play along with XT.

Bill

yes...

ime, when went from xt to xt32, i eliminated the antimode from the chain...

as always ymmv... i wouldn't make any judgements personally without measuring...

I have a Integra dtr 5.9 and am looking to purchase the 709 (from A4L as a refurb) to move up from 2EQ to MultiEQ XT. Is XT32 really enough of an improvement to keep saving up for (since its 2x the cost of the 709) or would XT be enough of a leap (from 2EQ) that I would be ok for a couple years?

Dont really need power as my external amp are running my speakers.

I also could just add a SMS-1 into the mix for better Sub EQ, but it wont add more filters to the other speakers.....

Thoughts?

Good link. So subeq sets the delay and volume of each sub independantly, but there's one curve (filter) applied to both subs.

If you have two subs and are getting xt32 thinking it does dual sub eq. It doesn't. It does dual sub correction with regards to distance and volume, but not dual sub equalization. If you plan on getting two subs, I strongly suggest they're identical.

I don't believe he can give out info yet but he did respond when I asked him here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21933704

Seems like good news to me.

ime, if using dual subs, yes, xt32 (assuming it contains subeq, which all released iterations do) is worth the additional coin...

fwiw, you would not want to eq your subs individually...

Why not?

^^^

same response as in other thread... the information is out there... look for it...

not all of us read every thread on this board.

Ditto?

I have 4 subs, 2 up front and center and 2 back and center for the best room response. I run my front ones threw the left channel of my EQ and the back ones threw the right channel of the EQ. The front subs I had a few peaks 20-25hz or so that needed to be tamed and the back subs I needed to boost a little at 45-50hz or so. I also needed to delay my back subs 14ms because they were "fighting" with the front subs and creating a null.

Controlling and EQing the subs seems to be very beneficial to me and works great. My bass is within 3db between my 6/8 seats.

^^^

delay isn't eq...

two phrases as a hint of why you want to eq your subs summed, not individual responses...

a) room modes...

b) mono signal...

So, how did you adjust the freq response? Do you have a receiver that supports a different FR for sub1 and sub2?

I was just giving a very brief idea of how I set up my subs. The delay to one set of subs was applied before I EQed my subs. The front subs and the back subs have 2 different FRs. That is why they are EQed differently. I think I only have 2 filters for each set of subs.


I take measurements with the Dayton OmniMic and use a Behringer DEQ2496 EQ just for the subs.

Currently have the 809 also with the 30 day return policy still in effect.
Don't use multi analog inputs and run only 5.1 speakers. Is the 818 worth the upgrade

Thanks

From what I hear, if for no other reason than Audyssey MultEQ XT32 in the 818 (vs XT in the 809), it's worth it.

sure, as long as you never plan to want HD radio, or an iPod/iPhone dock.
(no universal port, either on the 818)

So, I think we are all confused. How do you feel about the changes to the 818?

Sheeesh.

Buying an Apple iPod dock and using the USB cable is cheaper and works better than the older Onkyo iPod dock. The lack of HD radio is a bummer though.

The rest of the 2012 lineup (TX-NR1010,3010,5010) also drop the universal port. I don't know if they include HD Radio.