Originally Posted by GlassWolf
the True Subwoofer EQ 10 - TS-EQ10 lists for $1750 which I do not consider affordable for a 10" sub with or without EQ. Maybe the street prices are less but still quite a bit of money for a 10" sub. Chances are you will need two of them so now you would be spending well over $2k for two 10" subs.
Have you had a Sunfire sub with their EQ system in your system? If you have how well does it work in your room? Have you tried an AVR/prepro with XT32 in your room? What vital features has Onkyo "stripped" out of the 818 that were included in the 809 that effect overall SQ?
I do use a 10" Sunfire, and in a 16'x18' room, with a single sub, it's amazing. That sub can rattle the entire house. A ten-inch sub sounds fairly small, especially with a cube enclosure of 11" on all sides, but the 2700 watt amplifier makes a huge difference. It really is a fantastic sub, and I purchased mine on eBay used for about $440 to my door. New you can get one for around $900 in regards to your question about the going street price.
The features that were removed affect functionality, not SQ, which to me is equally important. As I've already mentioned repeatedly in this thread, losing analog multi-channel inputs (granted I don't use them myself) as well as (more importantly to me) the universal port, which allows me to use docking stations for iDevices and (again important to me) my HD radio tuner is a deal-killer. I can understand dropping the analog inputs, but why lose the U-port? The first generation of Onkyo NRx00x receivers had HD radio built-in. The next year they made it a $150 option with their U-port add-on, and while they've kept the U-port on the NRx009 units, they are beginning to drop the feature from their 2012 line-up.
Sure XT32 is great to have. I never denied that. What I want to know is why they are pulling other features out of what is supposed to be a successor to the NR809.
Now I'm pretty much forced to buy a refurbed x008 or x009 to get (multi-channel analog inputs) a Universal port, and XT32. It seems to be a little overkill to buy one of those when I'm running a 5.1 system with external amplifiers and powered stereo zone 2. I could do all of this with a 7.2 AV receiver with equally good results if the AVR had the same features as the prior year, with the addition of XT32/sub-EQ.
Heck I even agree with you about not needing to buy a sub with room EQ when the AVR already offers it and integrates it with the full audio spectrum equalizing, so you get a better transition from mains to sub.. Like I said, I'm not anti-XT32. I'm miffed about the removal of other features that, to me, make the AVR more functional.