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post #841 of 1105
Thanks for the discussion.
post #842 of 1105
Hi

I just got a new TXNR818 but I also have a new Denon 3313ci. Both system are in their unopened boxes. I'm planning to keep one, I just want to know wich receiver should sound better. I know the advantages and disadvantages of one of the other and the famous xt 32, for me great performance doesn't always come from features. I have never been able to listen to Denon, but I know this is a very respected brand in terms of high quality audio. Just want to know a very humble opinion, In terms of of raw power, sound and clarity do you think Onkyo is a better value over the 3313?

Thanks
Edited by BeyondHD - 8/7/12 at 10:53am
post #843 of 1105
XT32 (818) on any platform will sound better than XT(3313CI), so the 818 should sound better if Audyssey is enabled on both models.
post #844 of 1105
I agree, XT32 should make up for any minor differences in amplifier performance, etc.
post #845 of 1105
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Originally Posted by BeyondHD View Post

Hi
I just got a new TXNR818 but I also have a new Denon 3313ci. Both system are in their unopened boxes. I'm planning to keep one, I just want to know wich receiver should sound better. I know the advantages and disadvantaged of one of the other and the famous xt 32, for me great performance doesn't always come from features. I have never been able to listen to Denon, but I know this is a very respected brand in terms of high quality audio. Just want to know a very humble opinion, In terms of of raw power, sound and clarity do you think Onkyo is a better value over the 3313?
Thanks
Very interested on your thoughts after you setup and listen to both!!!
post #846 of 1105
Thank you guys. I'll try both, I really did not wanted to open both boxes since I thought to return one for a refund. But hey! is only one way to find out. Probably I'll to stick with the 818, I have little experience with Audyssey XT32, but from what I've heard so far I'm sure I won't regret it.
Edited by BeyondHD - 8/7/12 at 2:31pm
post #847 of 1105
Can anyone help with discrete on off codes for my mx-850 .I have looked everywhere and cant find any that work .None of the codes in the mx editor work either. Just need power on and off I can learn the rest .
post #848 of 1105
Heya Guys!

Well it's time for an upgrade but last time I had a Onkyo with a PS3, I went mad with all the relay clicking going on when starting up a Blu-Ray movie or a game.
I've lived with Denon for the past 3-4 years and it's served me well.

However I want the new features of the 818 including XT32.
Now I've seen someone saying that the this unit still clicks when choosing sound format on the same source. But another user said that it does not click...

So which is it? smile.gif

SO confusing....
post #849 of 1105
In case anyone is interested I just got one and posted a long (very positive) impression in the Official Owner's Thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/1650#post_22300163
post #850 of 1105
^^^Did you say tape deck? ha ha
post #851 of 1105
I have mine set up with the Playstation 3 and NO clicking. Works brill.
post #852 of 1105
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Originally Posted by Darren J View Post

I have mine set up with the Playstation 3 and NO clicking. Works brill.

Finally the answer I was looking for! smile.gif Many Thanks!
post #853 of 1105
Quick question, I've been out of the receiver market for awhile and my current TV and receiver are not HDMI compatible. I just got a new Tivo box from the cable company and it only has HDMI so I'd like to just upgrade my receiver now and TV later but that would mean I need a receiver capable of HDMI in and component out, my first choice would probably be the Onkyo 616. Is this or any receiver capable of this or is this still a no-no due to copyright BS. Thanks
post #854 of 1105
So it sounds like the 616 still isn't fixed.

I was at a really, really big furniture/electronics retailer in Nebraska today (hint hint) asking if they carried Denon. Said no, they stopped carrying them a few years ago, and asked me what model Denon and he might have an Onkyo or Yamaha to match.

I said what I really wanted was a 616, but the word on the net is these are half-baked, as well as their lower-tier brethern. Sales guy said yes, they were, but new firmware fixed it and that I should be OK now with a 616. He also recommended the 818 if I wanted to be really sure.

I'm not a Denon fan, but I think I am going with the AVR-2113CI, partly for the Zone 2 feature set, but mostly because I think spending the extra $ is worth the peace of mind. The 818 is out of my price range.

I'm bummed on Onkyo. The 818 alone cannot help fix the bad rep of the lower lines in the 2012 model year have. I wish they'd beef them up a bit - I'd pay more for a better quality product.
post #855 of 1105
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

^^^Did you say tape deck? ha ha

Yup! It's kind of weird considering I sold off all of my CDs two years ago and am almost all digital but my wife has been toting a box of old tapes around still. Last year my parents finally upgraded (I guess) from all their vintage '70/80s gear to a newer setup and I was lucky enough to score all the old stuff, most of which is on loan to a friend. Next up, get rid of that last box of VCR tapes she won't give up - we haven't had a VCR player in nearly a decade...

I listened to a tape about a month or two ago, probably the first one I've heard in literally 8 years... whoa, they pretty much suck even the pimpy metal ones. Anyone got a pencil?
post #856 of 1105
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Originally Posted by Pat6366 View Post

Quick question, I've been out of the receiver market for awhile and my current TV and receiver are not HDMI compatible. I just got a new Tivo box from the cable company and it only has HDMI so I'd like to just upgrade my receiver now and TV later but that would mean I need a receiver capable of HDMI in and component out, my first choice would probably be the Onkyo 616. Is this or any receiver capable of this or is this still a no-no due to copyright BS. Thanks

The way it works on my Onkyo 607 (and all AVRs ... AFAIK) due to HDMI HDCP and/or because those older signals are analog.

 

Composite and Component IN will output via Component OUT and/or HDMI OUT.

 

HDMI IN will only output via HDMI OUT.

 

The way I remember it ... IN signals will only output to the same type of port or higher ... you can't go backwards.

 

- Get older Tivo

- Get newer TV

- Try something like this (don't expect much)

 

http://www.amazon.com/SPDIF-Component-Ypbpr-Converter-v1-3b/dp/B002SFT3ZI

 

others in same boat:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/307669/is-hdmi-in-then-component-out-through-any-current-onkyo-receiver-possible

 

You might get more info searching Google or posting outside of this dedicated Onkyo 2012 thread.

post #857 of 1105
Thanks Tesla
post #858 of 1105
I rolled the dice last night and ordered the 616. I'm hoping that with the firmware updates I'll end up with a reliable, functioning receiver. Not sure if it is new or not but several places are throwing the wi-fi adapter in now as an incentive. As for my old tv without HDMI issue, it does have DVI so I've ordered a hdmi to DVI cable to go from the receiver to the TV to handle the video only.
post #859 of 1105
^^
You might also want to keep an HDMI Detective Plus in mind as well, as HDMI AVRs often have EDID issues with older DVI TVs.

http://www.amazon.com/Gefen-EXT-HDMI-EDIDP-HDmi-Detective-Plus/dp/B001RIMZUW
post #860 of 1105
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
You might also want to keep an HDMI Detective Plus in mind as well, as HDMI AVRs often have EDID issues with older DVI TVs.
http://www.amazon.com/Gefen-EXT-HDMI-EDIDP-HDmi-Detective-Plus/dp/B001RIMZUW
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Currently the HDMI to DVI input on the TV is working through my Harmon Kardan AVR445 but that is just strictly an HDMI switcher.
post #861 of 1105
I know most of this thread is talking about the 818, but unfortunately I think that is out of my price range. I might be able to afford the 717, but I read some people saying 'whats the point?' What are the main differences between the 717 and the 616?
Thanks
Mike
post #862 of 1105
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Originally Posted by Pat6366 View Post

As for my old tv without HDMI issue, it does have DVI so I've ordered a hdmi to DVI cable to go from the receiver to the TV to handle the video only.

I used to run my HTPC like that. Worked fine. It's my understanding that the DVI video is the same signal quality as HDMI. The only thing you will have to watch for is audio/video sync issues due to lack of lip-sync or auto-sync capabilities included in HDMI (since they are now separate). However, it might not matter. I was doing it on an input device and you will be doing it on an output device. Most people don't use sound signal (speakers) from the TV anyway (I know I don't).

post #863 of 1105
Man, these 818s went up in price. I thought I saw them $200 bucks less last time I looked.
post #864 of 1105
"However there is a weird design choice they've made..., not sure why, except to up sell more expensive units.


You cannot use an external amp for your mains and the 7 receiver amps for center, height, wides and rear surrounds... You can use the 7 amps but you are forced to use external amplification for the remaining heights, wides or rear surrounds,,, meaning you will need to externally power one pair (either height, wides or rear surrounds) in a 9.1 setup, regardless of if you aren't using the AVR for LR and/or center."


As I'm debating a Denon 3313 and was primarily looking at the 818 because of everyone's bliss with XT32, I"m curious...I have a Bryston power amp I was going to use for my mains for 2 channel audio...so am I understanding this might be a dealbreaker for me?
post #865 of 1105
[quote
You cannot use an external amp for your mains and the 7 receiver amps for center, height, wides and rear surrounds... You can use the 7 amps but you are forced to use external amplification for the remaining heights, wides or rear surrounds,,, meaning you will need to externally power one pair (either height, wides or rear surrounds) in a 9.1 setup, regardless of if you aren't using the AVR for LR and/or center."
was primarily looking at the 818 because of everyone's bliss with XT32, I"m curious...I have a Bryston power amp I was going to use for my mains for 2 channel audio...so am I understanding this might be a dealbreaker for me?[/quote]

Would you please clarify this. Does this mean that if I use a 5-channel external amp for 5 channels, and another 2 channel (for 7.1 or .2), I'll have problems? And can I make use of any of the Onkyo's channels to power a zone 2? Thanks.
post #866 of 1105
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Originally Posted by ovrdrvn View Post

"However there is a weird design choice they've made..., not sure why, except to up sell more expensive units.
You cannot use an external amp for your mains and the 7 receiver amps for center, height, wides and rear surrounds... You can use the 7 amps but you are forced to use external amplification for the remaining heights, wides or rear surrounds,,, meaning you will need to externally power one pair (either height, wides or rear surrounds) in a 9.1 setup, regardless of if you aren't using the AVR for LR and/or center."
As I'm debating a Denon 3313 and was primarily looking at the 818 because of everyone's bliss with XT32, I"m curious...I have a Bryston power amp I was going to use for my mains for 2 channel audio...so am I understanding this might be a dealbreaker for me?

The above quote is only in reference to expanding to 9.1. If you don't plan on expanding to 9.1, then you're good to go; however, if you plan on expanding to 9.1, you'll need to also provide external power to either the FH/FW/SB speakers.

post #867 of 1105
Hi All,
This is a very interesting thread and may I say thanks to all who've contributed to it.

I'm interested in getting a 717 or 818, and intend hooking it up to a
bdp-cd7000es (bluray player)
dvp-cx777es (dvd player)
sky+ hd box
nintendo wii
ps3 (60gb fat version)
a pc using vga
and an old vhs-dvd coppier combo using s-video.

Now, to make sure I can connect all these I had a look the manual, and am pretty sure I can put all these through the 717/818 in some manner.
EXCEPT, in the first few pages it states that if using hdmi (and 4 of these devices do), your tv needs to be ARC (audio return channel) enabled
The tv is a 60pz250t and i dont think this TV has an ARC ?!?

So, if I didnt pair up all my hdmi ports with fiber optic cables, what would I be missing out on ?????
Is it a show stopper if I dont have arc on the tv and dont use fiber optics, I wouldnt be using the tv speakers for anything given the new 818/717

Sorry for the long post and many thanks
Dave.
post #868 of 1105
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Originally Posted by davelillis View Post

Hi All,
This is a very interesting thread and may I say thanks to all who've contributed to it.
I'm interested in getting a 717 or 818, and intend hooking it up to a
bdp-cd7000es (bluray player)
dvp-cx777es (dvd player)
sky+ hd box
nintendo wii
ps3 (60gb fat version)
a pc using vga
and an old vhs-dvd coppier combo using s-video.
Now, to make sure I can connect all these I had a look the manual, and am pretty sure I can put all these through the 717/818 in some manner.
EXCEPT, in the first few pages it states that if using hdmi (and 4 of these devices do), your tv needs to be ARC (audio return channel) enabled
The tv is a 60pz250t and i dont think this TV has an ARC ?!?
So, if I didnt pair up all my hdmi ports with fiber optic cables, what would I be missing out on ?????
Is it a show stopper if I dont have arc on the tv and dont use fiber optics, I wouldnt be using the tv speakers for anything given the new 818/717
Sorry for the long post and many thanks
Dave.

 

ARC doesn't apply to INPUT devices hooked directly to amp.

 

ARC is only for typical OUTPUT devices like a TV ... and then, only for "tuners" inside the TV ... like ATSC or ethernet networked "Smart-TV" apps. Since you don't want to use the TV's speakers for these things.

 

If your TV doesn't support ARC, it will likely have a digital SPDIF output that you can connect to amp instead. That's how we did it before ARC came along.

 

If you run out of assignable coax and/or optical SPDIF inputs on the amp, you might have to drop something back to analog RCA ... but that doesn't have anything to do with ARC.

post #869 of 1105
yes, exactly, the TV had a toslink output so I'm assuming that this is for this purpose, the manual just says its an audio output, doesnt say for what exactly.

So if I understand this properly, ARC/FIBER OPTIC OUT on the tv is only important if the tv is using a audio/video source that DOESNT go through the 717/818,
So ,if my setup has EVERY a/v source going through the 717/818, then ARC doesnt matter in the slightest, am I getting this right ?
post #870 of 1105
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Originally Posted by davelillis View Post

yes, exactly, the TV had a toslink output so I'm assuming that this is for this purpose, the manual just says its an audio output, doesnt say for what exactly.
So if I understand this properly, ARC/FIBER OPTIC OUT on the tv is only important if the tv is using a audio/video source that DOESNT go through the 717/818,
So ,if my setup has EVERY a/v source going through the 717/818, then ARC doesnt matter in the slightest, am I getting this right ?

That is mostly correct, but I'm not sure that two such generalized statements/conditions would be true in every conceivable instance.

 

Do you live in the UK or something? You should add that to your public AVS profile. You have some different infrastructures over there.

 

I looked up the 60pz250t for you http://www.lg.com/ie/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-3d-tv-60PZ250T.jsp

 

This is a new LG 3D plasma with HDMI-CEC ... I would be very surprised if it DOES NOT have ARC capabilities (not that you need it). As I said above, ARC is only for content generated on the TV itself (like from an internal digital antenna tuner, FreeView, etc.) ... to get that digital audio back to the amp without running the separate optical cable.

 

I really don't see a problem with your proposed setup. However, you mentioned "deal breaker" if something doesn't connect (and to be able to never use TV speakers ... use amp speakers always for everything). So, once you decide on the 717 or 818 ... you still have to count up all the port types on all your input devices, and make sure you have enough correct ports on the amp.

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