Onkyo New AVR's TX-NR818,717,616 official Discussion [No Price Talk]Thread - Page 33

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Originally Posted by Doc Vino 

Could anyone tell me if I am in need of a speaker upgrade?

Really think the Sub and center are fine but what 2 pair of Bookshelves could match up well and take me to a new level?
 

I would probably let them ride if not rattling, foam surrounds not torn, a single driver not blown, etc. (that's what usually pushes me to buy a new set).

I would say Polk or Infinity. Love my Monitor 40 Series II (and you have a sub) .

I just moved my miss-matched set into the other room and bought a whole set of Polk separates (never done that before). Most of my old was JBL.

The Polk set is very "clear". The 505 is way low but not boomy.

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Originally Posted by Doc Vino 

p.s. When you get your system "dialed in" which Disc do you reach for to test and how/why and what part do you go to?

My old favorite was the cat scene in Gladiator wanted to hear the roar of my system!

Yes, that's a good one.

It's hard to say these days. Mostly anything with a good 5.1 track (or 7.1 HD on Blu-Ray). My old DVD favorites sounds even better from Blu-Ray.

Apollo 13 (blast-off)

Armageddon

Days of Thunder (racing) ... Blu-Ray has proper 5.1-7.1

Avatar

Also, clean, live 5.1 recordings of classic rock bands (good test of Fronts and Center)

Fleetwood Mac (The Dance)

Eagles (there's a couple)

REO Speedwagon (Riverport)

Rush

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Originally Posted by Doc Vino 

One more thing my Denon had a 5 channel stereo feature and the center always played the Oinky does not... is this a setting problem or a "feature"?

 

Check with both a:

CD - 2 channel PCM

DVD - Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS

My Onkyo 607 has "All Channel Stereo" . I don't remember the Center not producing sound in that Listening Mode.

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Originally Posted by justpassedu 

Please Help - I am coming from a 5yr old htib pioneer system 5.1 , now i have a onkyo 616 , polk tl1900 5.1 speaker package that comes with a psw108 sub and i have two sony ss-f6000 as my front floorstanding speakers . I have the polk sat speakers as my two in the rear and sides and the sonys upfront. All i can say is there is not huge improvment over the pioneer htib. I did not run audyssey yet and i will soon , i just want it to sound good 1st without having to do that. The sound is low , i barely get any volume from the rears and side speakers , sub barely has any thump and i have the knob turned all the way clockwise , i also tried it at 120hz and its on auto , also set manualy on the receiver sub 120hz along with all the speakers i even tried the thx 80hz mode and nothing. Also noticed that when running a blu ray via ps3 and selecting 7.1 as the sound track from the bluray i am not getting true 7.1 , when i hit info on the onkyo it shows thats its a converted signal , shouldnt it be true 7.1 with no conversion as i set it that way in the bluray ? Also is there a way to bypass the reciever from trying to upconvert my image ? i dont think i need it as everything looks pretty good already. Please help as i dont want to have to return this . thank you

1. Is that an allow-able config with the TL-1900. I thought that set was like a HTiB (a balanced set but don't ask for much). Can you really throw new Front L/F in there?

2. You are running all speaker wires back to 616, and the Sub is connected to LFE, right?

3. Run Audyssey. It Diagnoses system and sets levels to a good base-line program.

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Originally Posted by justpassedu 

i have the single wire going from the sub output on the receiver to either left or right on the sub , both work , only need to use one.

My old Infinity Sub also only has line level inputs (2 RCAs). I always install a splitter (1to2 ... so both RCAs are connected).

Yes max out knob settings on Sub and let Audyssey trim it down. Exception is Volume I usually run at 50-75% but yours might be small. Pick a knob volume and leave it ... let Audyssey pick volume ... just don't let it "bottom-out" . Make sure Audyssey picks Sub Volume level between -12 to +12 or around there.

Run Audyssey now. You can run it again later. Even the Quick (1 position) Setup is better than nothing. It's very accurate and will alert you to any problems.

On my Onkyo 607, years ago ... my total sound didn't seem as clear or bright all of a sudden. After the usual trouble-shooting, I thought I would re-run Audyssey. Surprisingly, it said the Center failed (but obviously the speaker was working). Turns-out the Tweeter driver was blown in my (nice, but old) JBL Center. Installed another tweeter, ran Audyssey (it passed this time), and sound was back to normal.

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Originally Posted by justpassedu 

wasnt sure what you were saying by this - "Can you really throw new Front L/F in there?"

I think speaker matching or balancing (using the small supplied speakers) is important for optimal results from this little speaker system. Hopefully, Audyssey can even it out.

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Originally Posted by Miami Guy 

About the 717:

I have an Infinity Modulus II speaker set with the 12" power subwoofer. My old receiver was a 7.1, but I ordered a 717 which is a 7.2 and my subwoofer does have two inputs LEFT and RIGHT, should I use the two sub outs on the 717 with my two inputs on my sub?

No, only Sub #1 out to your Sub. Sub out #2 is for a second, separate sub.

Download PDF 717 Owners Manual to get ready.

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Originally Posted by justpassedu 

1. but i wil prob want to bump up speakers anyway

2. so i didnt think that was a big deal as i am getting sound out of the sub .

1. I have been told that changing the volume levels of a speaker or two (after Audyssey) doesn't really change the calibration. I wouldn't change too much because I personally think it would become un-balanced, but if you need to bump the Center up a notch or two, no big deal.

2. I only mentioned it because you said it wasn't loud enough (thought maybe you had a core wiring problem). IIUC, you are using the same speaker set as with old HTiB. Depending on the source material, I wouldn't be expecting a huge change anyway.

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Originally Posted by Miami Guy 


Tes, if not mistaken the 717 manual states its posible to connect both sub outs to the one sub in (not sure of the benefit if any) on page En-14.

Do like the first/top pic shows ... one Sub per Amp port. For LFE on Sub, there is only one RCA anyway. If line Level on Sub (2 RCAs) use short 1to2 splitter at Sub end. If wire run is long (like to back of room) you can use RG-6 coax cable (in-wall) and plug-form-factor adapters.

If you really have 2 separate Subs, Audyssey might even see them as 2 separate subs, but I've never actually tried it. Not sure about lower wording ... I think something got lost in Japanese translation.  

Maybe it's wrong, but that's how I have been doing it over the years ... 5 amps and 4 subs experiences later.

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Originally Posted by Miami Guy 

For now I'll defenetly connect one out from the 717 to one in on t he sub. But my Infinity sub has a L & R sub connection, thats why I ask.

See the L/R connection:

 

Yes, my old Sub is also Infinity (with Line Level In). As I said in my previous post, I use something like this at Sub:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=6261&seq=1&format=2

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Originally Posted by Miami Guy 


Interesting, so the double connection would go where, On the 717 or the sub? What would this improve?

It goes at the Sub side ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1045531/how-to-connect-a-subwoofer-to-a-receiver-101

It's just the way I've always done it. For a "Line-Level-In" Sub-Woofer (like my older Infinity), there are 2 RCA jacks, so I like to have them both used/plugged-in.

My new Polk Sub has (additionally) a LFE Input, so I use it instead. LFE only requires one RCA jack ... so no splitter required.

How exciting ... I wish I was getting a new Onkyo 717 AVR this week. Well, maybe my 607 will last forever (which would be better for my wallet).