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post #1 of 15
4/3/12 at 7:15am
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Just finished my new build and everything was going smoothly until... I have installed a hauppauge WinTV-DCR-2650 and am able to enjoy live tv through the WMC. When I bypass my AVR and go directly from my pc to my tv everything is a+. For some reason though it will not play nicely with my receiver. I constantly get flickering and black screens and my receiver keeps blinking and flinkering as if its just sick. The problem seems to only happen with live tv. I can browse the internet, play netflix, youtube, pandora, etc all through my AVR without even the slightest hickup. I don't know of any solution to this issue and have not heard of anyone else having these problems. Please help me

Biostar H61MU3 Motherboard
Intel Celeron G530
AVR = Onkyo HT-R670 (HT-S6200)
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post #2 of 15
4/3/12 at 1:27pm
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Discovered this afternoon that if I just unplug the hdmi cable going into the tv then my receiver will play the audio flawlessly from the live tv. There is definately some kind of HDCP Handshake issue going on between my receiver and tv. I am going to figure this out one way or another. I guess if I have to run toslink back to my receiver from the tv than I will but that is just more clutter and unneeded cables. My tv may need some kind of firmware upgrade. Its an LG-47LH30, cheap I know.
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post #3 of 15
4/3/12 at 6:31pm
It's your Onkyo receiver. They are garbage in htpc hdmi use. They never sync properly and cause tons of headaches.

I Own one too. Just replaced it.


Happy I did.

If you search you will find many models have issue syncing over hdmi from pc. There has been a few threads here about it.
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post #4 of 15
4/4/12 at 6:25am
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So I did some more troubleshooting yesterday. I brought in a different tv and ran the hdmi out of AVR to a Samsung tv. Everything switched perfectly, sound was great, video was great. For some reason my LG's tv settings seem to be causing the issue with the hdmi handshake. I really want to try a factory reset but I am not finding any way to do that. Wish there was someone else who has had a LG to Onkyo HDMI handshake issue. I have LG tech support looking into it right now. FYI everything worked just fine until I attempted to play live tv through my Hauppauge - AVR - TV. That must of triggered a setting change in my tv or something.
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post #5 of 15
4/5/12 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by snorton007 View Post

So I did some more troubleshooting yesterday. I brought in a different tv and ran the hdmi out of AVR to a Samsung tv. Everything switched perfectly, sound was great, video was great. For some reason my LG's tv settings seem to be causing the issue with the hdmi handshake. I really want to try a factory reset but I am not finding any way to do that. Wish there was someone else who has had a LG to Onkyo HDMI handshake issue. I have LG tech support looking into it right now. FYI everything worked just fine until I attempted to play live tv through my Hauppauge - AVR - TV. That must of triggered a setting change in my tv or something.

Maybe I could help you out.

First setup:

HTPC with Asus HDAV 1.3 to Onkyo 705 to Samsung and everything was perfect.

Second setup:

HTPC with Asus HDAV 1.3 to Marantz 7002 to Samsung and everything was perfect.

Third setup:

HTPC with Asus HDAV 1.3 to Marantz 7002 to LG plasma and everything was perfect.

Fourth setup:

HTPC with Asus HDAV 1.3 to Onkyo 705 to LG plasma and always got the dreaded "no signal" message on live tv, BR playback, iTunes, etc.

Fifth setup:

Swapped the LG tv for my Samsung and everything was perfect.

Conclusion: the Onkyo 705 was the problem.

My solution:

1) hdmi output from video directly to hdmi input on tv;
2) dvi out from video to hdmi in on my HDAV;
3) hdmi out from HDAV to hdmi in on Onkyo;
4) set display 1 as my LG; and
5) extended the desktop to display 2 which is my Onkyo 705.
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post #6 of 15
4/9/12 at 7:19am
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**Solved** (Just writing this for people who may ever run in to this same issue)

I spoke with both Onkyo Support as well as LG TV support. Both were very helpful in trying to get my issue resolved, and they listened intently to my situation. The final solution after all troubleshooting steps had been exhausted was that my HDMI cables had become incompatable between my Components to AVR and to TV. They worked just fine when hooked up directly from component to tv but were unable to pass video through my Onkyo somehow. When I hooked everything up to a different tv everything worked seemlessly which is why i never suspected the cables. As a final attempt to fix my setup, All I did was switch out the cables and Bam! It was back to normal. I had already completetly reset my tv and avr back to factory settings before this, and that never seemed to fix anything. It was the HDMI cables themselves that were the problem! I have never heard of anything like this ever! Maybe this will solve a future issue. It is all somehow related to the HDCP handshake issue. I now have perfectly fine HDMI cables that are most likely compatable for any other setup out there but just not my AVR to TV. Strange as all this sounds, it is the truth I promise.
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post #7 of 15
4/9/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by snorton007 View Post

**Solved** (Just writing this for people who may ever run in to this same issue)

I spoke with both Onkyo Support as well as LG TV support. Both were very helpful in trying to get my issue resolved, and they listened intently to my situation. The final solution after all troubleshooting steps had been exhausted was that my HDMI cables had become incompatable between my Components to AVR and to TV. They worked just fine when hooked up directly from component to tv but were unable to pass video through my Onkyo somehow. When I hooked everything up to a different tv everything worked seemlessly which is why i never suspected the cables. As a final attempt to fix my setup, All I did was switch out the cables and Bam! It was back to normal. I had already completetly reset my tv and avr back to factory settings before this, and that never seemed to fix anything. It was the HDMI cables themselves that were the problem! I have never heard of anything like this ever! Maybe this will solve a future issue. It is all somehow related to the HDCP handshake issue. I now have perfectly fine HDMI cables that are most likely compatable for any other setup out there but just not my AVR to TV. Strange as all this sounds, it is the truth I promise.

Sounds silly to me.

I had this same solution suggested to me by the idiots at Onkyo too.

It worked. Then a week later it stopped.

Glad I spent extra on that new high end cable.

I hooked back up the cheaper cable I originally used (from MONOPRICE) and boom it worked again.

Then it stopped.

It seems that my Onkyo only really works well on the DVD HDMI input that is assignable. The rest of them all struggle.

When it stops working I must unhook the cable and then turn off receiver. Then hook it back up and power back on. It works for a period of time.

MY SOLUTION:

Throw the Onkyo into the trash!

The Denon I replaced it with works perfectly everytime.

CLIFF NOTES: Older Onkyo's have issues.

Hope that helps.
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post #8 of 15
4/9/12 at 8:09am
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It sounds silly I know, but I troubleshot my setup for over 8 hours and tried everything out there. The cables are the issue. They were the Mediabridge brand from Amazon. I am actually using the same brand cable still but it is not causing any issues. As soon as I hook up the other "bad" cables anywhere in my chain of components then the issue is revived. Something happend when I was trying to run the live tv through my Hauppauge that caused screen flickering and popping sounds, and I believe that was the moment when the cables went bad. The only cables that went bad were the 6ft coming from my PC to AVR and the 10ft leaving to AVR to TV. Changed those two out for different cables and Voila! Seemless HDMI switching, perfect sound, video, etc. The cables lost some type of ability to carry the correct signals and HDCP issues were abound.
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post #9 of 15
4/9/12 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by snorton007 View Post

It sounds silly I know, but I troubleshot my setup for over 8 hours and tried everything out there. The cables are the issue. They were the Mediabridge brand from Amazon. I am actually using the same brand cable still but it is not causing any issues. As soon as I hook up the other "bad" cables anywhere in my chain of components then the issue is revived. Something happend when I was trying to run the live tv through my Hauppauge that caused screen flickering and popping sounds, and I believe that was the moment when the cables went bad. The only cables that went bad were the 6ft coming from my PC to AVR and the 10ft leaving to AVR to TV. Changed those two out for different cables and Voila! Seemless HDMI switching, perfect sound, video, etc. The cables lost some type of ability to carry the correct signals and HDCP issues were abound.

Please follow up in a week or two and report how it is still working out for you.
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post #10 of 15
4/9/12 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by snorton007 View Post

**Solved** (Just writing this for people who may ever run in to this same issue)

I spoke with both Onkyo Support as well as LG TV support. Both were very helpful in trying to get my issue resolved, and they listened intently to my situation. The final solution after all troubleshooting steps had been exhausted was that my HDMI cables had become incompatable between my Components to AVR and to TV. They worked just fine when hooked up directly from component to tv but were unable to pass video through my Onkyo somehow. When I hooked everything up to a different tv everything worked seemlessly which is why i never suspected the cables. As a final attempt to fix my setup, All I did was switch out the cables and Bam! It was back to normal. I had already completetly reset my tv and avr back to factory settings before this, and that never seemed to fix anything. It was the HDMI cables themselves that were the problem! I have never heard of anything like this ever! Maybe this will solve a future issue. It is all somehow related to the HDCP handshake issue. I now have perfectly fine HDMI cables that are most likely compatable for any other setup out there but just not my AVR to TV. Strange as all this sounds, it is the truth I promise.

Congratulations on finding your solution.

I used my Onkyo troubles as an excuse to upgrade my avr
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post #11 of 15
4/9/12 at 4:59pm
I just helped a buddy build a 110" home theater with a 2011 model Onkyo AVR. Worked incredibly well with absolutely no hiccups.

So ymmv.
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post #12 of 15
4/9/12 at 5:15pm
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Congratulations on finding your solution.

I used my Onkyo troubles as an excuse to upgrade my avr

Yup me too.
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post #13 of 15
4/9/12 at 5:16pm
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I just helped a buddy build a 110" home theater with a 2011 model Onkyo AVR. Worked incredibly well with absolutely no hiccups.

So ymmv.

2011 models are safe. 2008/2009/2010 are not.

There is tons of threads on the audio forum about Onkyo sync issues from PC's
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post #14 of 15
4/9/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

2011 models are safe. 2008/2009/2010 are not.

There is tons of threads on the audio forum about Onkyo sync issues from PC's

Gotcha. Good to know.
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post #15 of 15
4/9/12 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Gotcha. Good to know.

If you run it to the assignable HDMI input (usually called DVD) it works.

The fixed HDMI inputs don't. They blink out blue screen often.

Very odd.

I figured this out on my own, then found a few threads backing up my observations.

I guess Onkyo has a firmware fix or something. But I just replaced it and move the Onkyo to another system. It was a cheap one anyways. Sub $500.

Half my upgrade was dislike for the Onkyo and it's quality issues. The other half my upgrade was just cause I wanted.
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