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post #451 of 739
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

The software that comes with both Sony (Picture Motion Browser and PlayMemories Home) and Panasonic (HDWriter) camcorders join and trim without re-encoding. My version of HDWriter is an earlier version that infamous is using. It came with 132 page manual on the camcorder software disk. I printed it, read it an took notes. I had to do that to figure out what it does and how it does it. Had I not done that, I too would have found the camera difficult. I also read the camera manual a few times.
infamous did not say, so I can only guess at a solution. First, he's mad at digital video file limits that trace back to Microsoft. Panasonic (and Sony) understands and to overcome those limits provide software. To get it to work right, you have to use Panasonic software to move the files to your computer and do it the way the book says to. The reason is that with each file are a couple extra small mystery files that have no other purpose than to help HDWriter do what it does. Without the full set or modifying the originals in any way, HDWriter gets stubborn and erratic.
My first step after shooting is to use HDWriter to transfer and catalog clips. I may join and trim some. It always makes new copies. The originals are left untouched. Even if you trim an original, there is a copy. That copy also has the extra mystery files. If all I want to do is trim and clip a little, I go no further. If I want to get beyond basic file handling and simple editing, I use another editor.
The reason I'm guessing that this is the reason infamous is having trouble with HDWriter is because I've not read anywhere that anyone else is having trouble joining and trimming clips. There are some long threads here on Panasonic camcorders where owners are using various versions of HDWriter as there first workflow step and it has not come up.
A tip for infamous: the AVCHD 1080p60 bit rate is variable so there are peaks above 28Mbps. A guy names Cebu used to post here a lot found that when there was a peak above some level (40?) his PS3 choked. It really angered him. If the goal is true 1080p60 reliable playback on a HD TV it may be necessary to spend $100 on a dedicated media player known to be made for that, like the WD TV Live. Another way is to use the camera itself. One of the weird features of HDWriter is that you can put clips, or joined clips, back on the SD card in the camera. Your camera and a collection of SD cards can be a flawless 1080p60 media player with a simple HDMI cord for connection to the TV. Earlier versions in the V700 family came with a remote for this function. Maybe the V700 has a remote.
Bill

Yes, my major issue would be easily solved if HDWriter worked the way it should. It can easily join and trim without re-encoding and it does it fast. But when its done, and your final product is still over 4GB, HDWriter will STILL split the file into two (one 4GB and the other with whats leftover). For example, with this camera, I shot one 35 minute clip which was about 6.2GB. Due to the 4GB limit, the camera separated the files in two (4GB and 2.2GB). I used HDWriter and joined them, and trimmed a few minutes that I did not want. The result? Instead of a 4.5GB file, HDWriter made a 4GB and a 512MB files. Ugh! Had HDWriter made it just one 4.5GB, I would have been fine with it. But now I have to use tsMuxer to join them. Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't technology reduce my steps? Sure, I can trim with tsMuxer, but it doesn't show any video in the program. I have to open some other program, count the minutes and seconds what I want to keep and input that information in tsMuxer. What was Panasonic thinking about when they gave us some broken product?!

The V700 has no remote that I know of. I wish it did - that would have been a very good addition.

I suppose if I want to watch them on my HDTV, I'll have to purchase a HDMI that'll fit the camcorder to the TV because the PS3 is lacking. You may be right about the PS3. When watching it and having it show the Mbps, it'll play fine, but as soon as it jumps around 30Mbps or more, the video gets a little choppy and then the Mbps dips down to about 7.6Mbps and stays that low. If I pause the clip and start it again, it'll then go back up to the 20sMbps. But when it slowly gets into the 30s, it starts all over again and jumps down to about 7.6Mbps and stays there until paused.

My other frustration is the playback on a PC (which I'm sure it can be solved - somehow...). This may be a little off-topic, but this camera does record in this high m2ts setting, but playback of these files is too tricky. I just wish it'll play it back perfectly on my PC. But no program ever seems to run it properly. Media Player Classic (32 and 64bit) will run it smooth, but in full screen the audio is delayed OR the audio will skip/pause for a split second here and there (when played windowed, it plays it fine). Windows Media Player runs the sound perfectly (even in full screen), but the video is choppy. I've tried various renderers in Media Player Classic (EVR: CP, Overlay Mixer, Haali, etc), tried various splitters (LAV, Haali, System Default, etc.), tried frame time correction, updated all video and audio drivers and updated all codecs (K-Lite Mega Codes), but still nothing seems to run these m2ts files in full screen any good that this camera generates. All other video files will run perfectly in full screen except the ones that this camera makes.

Any ideas or comments will be appreciated.

Thanks

EDIT: Now Overlay Mixer Renderer seems to allow the M2TS files to run smoothly and without any audio problem in MPC. However, It seems that I have to manually change it back to EVR:CP when playing things like a 3D MKV file because that file will be choppy. Seems I can't win. mad.gif

EDIT 2: Good news. After fooling around with some setting in MPC, I found out what works. Under Renderer Settings / VSync, it was checked for Accurate VSync. I unchecked that and checked VSync and Alternative VSync and now M2TS files run properly in full screen under EVR:CP. cool.gif
Edited by infamous_pb - 11/16/12 at 11:19am
post #452 of 739
I had to edit my post about HDWriter because I didn't know as much as I thought I did!

"My other frustration is the playback on a PC (which I'm sure it can be solved - somehow...). "

Try the free Splash Lite from here: http://mirillis.com/en/products/splash_faq.html Every time choppy p60 playback on a PC has come up, this has solved it.

Bill
post #453 of 739
I have been skurd of Adobe Premier after I tried CS4 or 5 and got my arse handed to me, I never got the work flow or even the basics right.

I have a few friends that use PE's and like it a lot, and I may go that route before too long as AVS doesn't do some things I need, or if it does it is so hidden that I haven't found it yet, but for 90% of what I do it works well. All my videos currently end up on youboob and what it does to some videos is a travesty.

Thanks for all the helpful stuff.... I maybe picking up another V700, but I need to work on a way to do some HD streaming first.

-R
post #454 of 739
Great news everyone! I found a program that works perfectly.
VideoReDo TVSuite H.264 (version 4.20.7.629)

It will easily join m2ts files (without re-encoding) and will easily trim without re-encoding AND visually shows you what you are trimming.
I tried it with the 1080/60p m2ts files this camcorder creates and the program does it perfectly!

So...
I finally found a program that will properly edit/join/trim these files and I finally got them to play smoothly on my PC.

I'm happy now smile.gif

Thanks everyone for your help.
post #455 of 739
anybody had any luck in getting your original avchd 1080p/60 vids to store on a hard drive attached to either a media player or blueray player for play on your hdtv?

if so:
1. what video editing software are you using to trim and merge your original 1080p/60 files with?
2. are you converting the edited files to another 1080p/60 file format to play on your tv if so what format are you converting to and what software to convert?
3. what media player or blueray player are you using to play your 1080p/60 files off the hard drive?

another question anybody been able to burn a blue ray disk of their avchd videos, obviously not at 1080p/60.
1. do you like 1080i or 720p better
2. what is your perferred converter to go from the 1080p/60 down to either 1080i or 720p
3. what blueray burning software do you think works best.

thanks
post #456 of 739
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Originally Posted by sdorf View Post

anybody had any luck in getting your original avchd 1080p/60 vids to store on a hard drive attached to either a media player or blueray player for play on your hdtv?
if so:
1. what video editing software are you using to trim and merge your original 1080p/60 files with?
2. are you converting the edited files to another 1080p/60 file format to play on your tv if so what format are you converting to and what software to convert?
3. what media player or blueray player are you using to play your 1080p/60 files off the hard drive?
another question anybody been able to burn a blue ray disk of their avchd videos, obviously not at 1080p/60.
1. do you like 1080i or 720p better
2. what is your perferred converter to go from the 1080p/60 down to either 1080i or 720p
3. what blueray burning software do you think works best.
thanks

1080/60p play fine on my Sony BDP-S580 blu-ray player. No editing or converting is needed. I plug it in on the player's USB slot (via a USB thumb drive). I'll have to try streaming later.
At 24mbps, the PS3 will have problems, but my Sony blu-ray player plays it great.
VideoReDo is a great program. It trims, joins, and does a lot - even 1080/60p.
But if you want to re-encode (like to a lower or different resolution), try Sony Movie Studio Platinum.
I've tried Cyberlink PowerProducer to burn AVCHD files onto a blu-ray disc to play on a blu-ray player. Works fine for PS3 and my Sony blu-ray player.
post #457 of 739
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Originally Posted by sdorf View Post

anybody had any luck in getting your original avchd 1080p/60 vids to store on a hard drive attached to either a media player or blueray player for play on your hdtv?
if so:
1. what video editing software are you using to trim and merge your original 1080p/60 files with?
2. are you converting the edited files to another 1080p/60 file format to play on your tv if so what format are you converting to and what software to convert?
3. what media player or blueray player are you using to play your 1080p/60 files off the hard drive?
another question anybody been able to burn a blue ray disk of their avchd videos, obviously not at 1080p/60.
1. do you like 1080i or 720p better
2. what is your perferred converter to go from the 1080p/60 down to either 1080i or 720p
3. what blueray burning software do you think works best.
thanks

1. HD Writer 4.0
2. No converting, see below
3. My BluRay player LG BD550 (european - same as american BD530) plays 1080p50 and 1080i50 streams (from camera or after editing) directly from hard drive connected via USB. I've found BD550 player recognizes .ts and m2ts extensions, so I need to manualy change from .mts to .m2ts when creating direct copy of streams from SD card (no conversion or transcoding is needed) to HDD.
post #458 of 739
the LG-520 appears to be the more current version and the its online manual does not indicate support for m2ts file type on disk or via usb which is what the HC-v700 throws on my HD when I export off with HDWriter, so I'm wondering did support for m2ts go away with this new version or could it be an unsupported file extension that just works anyway. Just wanted to confirm before i go buy one of these LG's that you took the video files right off the SD card as m2ts files onto your external HD. thanks
post #459 of 739
are the video files you put onto your external usb hard drive that plugs into your sony bluray are they directly off the SD card or are they what gets transferred to your HD via HD Writer AE?
post #460 of 739
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Originally Posted by sdorf View Post

are the video files you put onto your external usb hard drive that plugs into your sony bluray are they directly off the SD card or are they what gets transferred to your HD via HD Writer AE?
My Panasonic camcorder is a different model. But, it should work the same for yours.

HDWriter moves the files to the computer untouched so the video file is the same, regardless of how you get it to the usb external hard drive. If you use HDWriter, or any other current software, to edit your video it leaves the originals unmodified because the output only copies from the original.

HDWriter is unique in that it uses three tiny files that pair with the much larger video file. The external drive you plug into the blu-ray has no use for those.

Bill
post #461 of 739
I have noticed while recording in HD 1080p on the Panasonic video camera using the Auto settings, that when taking video inside with well lit rooms, the video's come out a bit hazy almost as if the brightness in them is turned up too much and some of the colors are washed out. What can I do on the camera to make that look better? Do I use it on manual and adjust the white balance or is there a better trick?
post #462 of 739
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Originally Posted by sdorf View Post

the LG-520 appears to be the more current version and the its online manual does not indicate support for m2ts file type on disk or via usb which is what the HC-v700 throws on my HD when I export off with HDWriter, so I'm wondering did support for m2ts go away with this new version or could it be an unsupported file extension that just works anyway. Just wanted to confirm before i go buy one of these LG's that you took the video files right off the SD card as m2ts files onto your external HD. thanks

M2TS files from V700 are AVCDH compatible and BD550 can play AVCHD structures (see spec.). Only one thing isn't clear in spec or manual: playing m2ts without rest AVCHD metadata or folder structure. But it's working, even 1080p50. I was very surprised when inserted SD card from V700 into my 2010 model Panasonic Plasma TV -> plays smoothly 1080i50 and 1080p50 clips (AVCHD progressive was published in 2011).

Yes, I confirm that: .MTS files from SD card copied to external HD (extensions changed to .m2ts) and played by BD550 with no problems. But I strongly recommend to make such test to confirm same behaviour on BP 520. It's similar model but no warranty for playing M2TS.
Edited by aazinek - 11/26/12 at 5:02am
post #463 of 739
Hi, new to the forum, got my Panasonic v700M a few weeks back.

I'm in need of some editing software, and reviewing this thread it seems Adobe Premiere elements 11 and Sony Movie Studio 12 are the main contenders.

One editing feature I need is to be able to invert the entire video (or rotate 180 degrees if you like). The reason is I use the camcorder in-car, and it is attached via a suction mount to the moonroof glass so all video is recorded upside down.

My computer is several years old and running Vista 64 bit, which some versions of these editing packages do not support.

Can anyone confirm if Premiere Elements 11 and/or Movie Studio 12 can invert (rotate 180 degrees) video AND run on Vista 64-bit?

Thanks
post #464 of 739
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Originally Posted by BB99 View Post

Hi, new to the forum, got my Panasonic v700M a few weeks back.
I'm in need of some editing software, and reviewing this thread it seems Adobe Premiere elements 11 and Sony Movie Studio 12 are the main contenders.
One editing feature I need is to be able to invert the entire video (or rotate 180 degrees if you like). The reason is I use the camcorder in-car, and it is attached via a suction mount to the moonroof glass so all video is recorded upside down.
My computer is several years old and running Vista 64 bit, which some versions of these editing packages do not support.
Can anyone confirm if Premiere Elements 11 and/or Movie Studio 12 can invert (rotate 180 degrees) video AND run on Vista 64-bit?
Thanks
Premier Elements does it. Once the clip is in the timeline, you right click on it and about half way down the menu is "rotate 90" left, or right. You have to do it twice.

I took some video of my wife's ground hugging dog walking and sniffing. I wanted to get at ground level and get ground level audio. I built a bracket to hold the camera right side up on the on an upside down monopod. It worked fine. Then by accident I found that Premier Elements 10 would do it with a lot less fuss. Haven't used the bracket since.

The upside down monopod technique works amazingly well as a cheap "steady cam" too.

Bill
post #465 of 739
Thanks Bill, I'll go with that then. I am hoping Premiere Elements will be the easier of the two to learn, since I once had (a couple computers ago) the full version of Premiere, around version 6 I think. At one time I used it fairly regularly.

Looking at the Adobe website it seems it will run on Vista 64 but not in 64 bit mode. The Panasonic HDwriter apparently doesn't work with Vista-64 (or not reliably anyway) so I haven't even installed it, but I looked at the manual and there's no way to rotate the clip that I could see.
post #466 of 739
as a honest suggestion drop Vista and get Win7, it works sooooooo much better across the board it is not funny. I almost threw my laptop out because it preformed so badly under Vista, has been a work horse since I installed Win7.

-R
post #467 of 739
Thanks for the suggestion. Vista has actually been very stable on my desktop. I'm looking into getting a laptop during a holiday sale, which would probably come pre-loaded with Windows 8. If I do, I'd probably load Premiere Elements on that (unless there are issues with it; haven't looked that up yet). It seems you don't need to venture into the high end of laptops for this, since the capabilities have advanced so far.

Back when I used the full version of Premiere on a desktop, you had to get a bleeding edge computer as well as some hardware assist and fast, dedicated hard drives to have any hopes of converting (and this was standard def) a video with effects in any reasonable amount of time.

I'm open to any suggestions on laptop hardware that would work well for this application.
Would you say it's best to avoid the 5400 rpm hard drives in most laptops and go with 7200 (or solid state but that really jacks up the price)?

The small screens of most laptops might be a challenge with the information-dense displays during video editing (not to mention my old eyes). Would 15" be the minimum, or maybe that is borderline?

(PS, if anyone else is looking to get Premiere Elements 11, it's only $49.99 at Amazon right now, and no telling how long that will last)
post #468 of 739
well, I just picked up a Dell Precision M6600, mainly because I have 2 needs, #1 I need a firewire port #2 I wanted an Express Card slot, only way it seems to be able to find these are in Work Station class machines.

HP and Dell were the 2 I came up with, and these are not cheap systems.

The Dell I liked more, its an Aluminum case/chassis, nice 17.3 screen (1920x1080) room for 2 or 3 internal HD's a very fast base system and as I am want to do, I can put higher end parts in it down the line like the NVIDIA Quadro 5010M video card.

This with the discounts ran about 1500, you can get some gaming systems for around 1000 that will be solid editing machines, if you dont need the 2 things I needed.

I would make sure of the following if you are doing a decent amount of video editing.:

Fast Quad Core I7 2.5Ghz or better
Room for 2 HD's 7200 is better SSD's more so but they are spendy
Shoot for having 4 SO-DIMM slots ( allows for more total memory typically )
Decent Video card, just something better than the integrated stuff.

When I buy systems like these, I get the minimum memory they will allow in it to sell it. If I could I would order it with none. I will be stuff in 32GB of memory into the M6600 for a whopping $150, vs Dell wanting over $400

As for screens, I like size and resolution, but if you want a HD display, and your worried about yours eyes go with a bigger screen, the 1920x1080 on a 15" will be tighter than on a 17.3 but that is a call you will have to make.

-R
post #469 of 739
Thanks, and I came across the Dell M6600 and the HP Elitebooks as I was researching tonight. For example: http://www.videoguys.com/guide/C/diy+systems/Videoguys+Recommended+Laptops+for+Video+Editing/0x838938d96d9a325815fbc603304f6aeb.aspx

Yep, these can quickly balloon in price.

I'll probably go with a single 7200rpm internal HDD and use an external drive via eSATA port as I need more (but it would be nice to get a system with internal space for 2), but I'm not sure if it's still recommended (like it was some years back) to have a separate program drive and rendering drive. If so, then I guess I'll have to get the eSATA drive right away.

Good point about minimizing included memory due to mark-up.
post #470 of 739
Interesting read, I would have loved to stuff one of the Quadro's in the box but the cheapest markup was 450+

I have an older Qosmio ( almost 5 years old ) and it will still edit the video and render ok, but if I am doing a lot of effect work it shows its age. The main reason I got the new one was I am doing to 1 kinda working USB port and a ethernet ports thats a bit wonky.

I suggest being honest with the work you are looking to do, how much of it and what you are comfortable spending.

If you take care of it, I spend a bit more up front on a laptop to get closer to the bleeding edge to get a bit more life from it.

-R
post #471 of 739
re: "if anyone else is looking to get Premiere Elements 11, it's only $49.99 at Amazon right now, and no telling how long that will last"

Glad I ordered yesterday; it went up to $79.99 today. Hope others were able to snag the lower price too.

Also, others have asked about brands/model of SDHC cards in this thread. I can confirm that the Sandisk Ultra Class 10 32GB works well in the V700M. Recently got one for $19.99 (they normally go for about 28 bucks and the MSRP is around $65). The lowest I saw was $17.99 during black friday sales.
post #472 of 739
I've just got my HC-V700 and I'm still playing around with it (experienced still photographer, first-time camcorder user).

1. Does i.Zoom truly not degrade image quality?

2. The OIS Lock has me baffled. If I have OIS on anyway what does it give me and how do I use it?
post #473 of 739
Got mine last week.
I am trying to convert the 60p clips from this camcorder to 24p movie, without slow motion. The final output seems to be very jittery because of dropped frames. I am editing in Premiere Pro CS5. So should I be happy with 60p output or is there a way to drop the 60p clips in a 24p timeline without slow motion and without jittery video. Please help.

Bob
post #474 of 739
When I produce the videos when I spec the 25fps on the out put its normal speed, it only slows down if I tell it to via the software.

ymmv

-R
post #475 of 739
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Originally Posted by bvaidu View Post

I am trying to convert the 60p clips from this camcorder to 24p movie, without slow motion.
Did you enable frame blending? Framerate conversion is always troublesome, unless they are exact multiples of one another (like converting 60p to 30p). If you have After Effects you can use Pixel Motion which does a much better job. Another way is to use Twixtor plugin which seems to do it well. There's a tutorial here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F41Ch-Ulgg
post #476 of 739
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Originally Posted by Potoroo View Post

I've just got my HC-V700 and I'm still playing around with it (experienced still photographer, first-time camcorder user).
1. Does i.Zoom truly not degrade image quality?
Since I got my V700 a few weeks ago (my choice of camcorder was largely inspired by this thread), I've been going to ask that question here. Panasonic state it doesn't lose quality. But my videos show otherwise. I can see a lot more noise and grain above 25x, very evident if you pause on a frame. Unless my camera is damaged.
post #477 of 739
More noise is normal. The claim is no loss in resolution.
post #478 of 739
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

More noise is normal. The claim is no loss in resolution.
Actually they say "high zoom rates without experiencing blurry edges." Which is BS on my V700.

I'm not really complaining though. It's a great easy-to-use camcorder. Love the Telemacro and image stabilization is excellent.
Edited by jabbado - 12/5/12 at 1:41am
post #479 of 739
This is what Panasonic says "Resolution technology lets you shoot at high zoom rates while preserving the image resolution." (http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/HC-V700K) Which is what I said. And you said that there was noise, which is true (given the technology), but that is not the same as loss of resolution. Are you now saying there is resolution loss?
post #480 of 739
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Are you now saying there is resolution loss?
No. I'm talking about the bit just after what you quoted:
Quote:
You get sharp images of highly detailed objects – without the blurry edges.
Whether it's the extra noise, or diffraction, or something else, I get blurry edges which get worse the higher I zoom above the true optical mag. Again, I'm not really complaining. I don't mind post-processing and am checking out some noise reduction plugins which should help in these situations.
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