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post #1111 of 9047
does anyone know how I can simulate the "THX Bright Room" settings, using "custom"?

In short, i'd like to turn on motion smoothing but the "THX Bright Room" has it disabled, so I want to define custom settings that match.
post #1112 of 9047
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Originally Posted by threephi View Post

My 50" GT50, which I've had for about three weeks, has what may be a similar issue--there's a vertical band about eight inches off the left edge that is slightly brighter than the rest of the screen. The line of demarcation is fairly sharp too. At first I thought it might be due to early asymmetric pixel aging or IR, but the band does not correspond to a letterbox margin, and with now close to 300 hours on the set, the defect hasn't lessened at all while other IR has come and gone.

Here's two pictures that I hope illustrate this issue. I used a green slide because IMO it shows the band most prominently, but it is visible in all primaries and whites as well. It occurs under all inputs and viewing modes.

The first image is the original iphone snapshot (altered only by me adding the arrow, and photobucket reducing the size). I should mention again that it is only a small difference, but under the right conditions can be distracting during normal viewing. To my eye, the defect is actually a little bit more noticeable on the actual set than in this image.


Below is the same image with the levels manipulated in GIMP to show the vertical bar more clearly. (The top-to-bottom differences seen here are caused by unrelated factors and can be disregarded. The camera was only about three feet from the screen so the overall gradation is due to the pixel grid being viewed over a range of angles. And the smaller and more localized differences are transient minor IR that I am not concerned about.)

I have been letting some time pass to see how much this little issue bothers me, but at this point it seems clear it's here to stay and I'm considering contacting Panasonic. Can anyone speak to how common this kind of issue is, and whether it is considered a defect?

The other flaw I have been struggling with is line bleed. Noone seems to discuss this much, and granted it isn't noticeable very often, but when it is, it can absolutely ruin the image IMO.

I bought this set because of the spectacular color and contrast, and those qualities do not disappoint, but I have to say, I am a bit heartbroken that the few small flaws that are there detract so significantly from my enjoyment of what is otherwise a truly excellent TV.

This set is my first experience with a plasma screen so I'm still trying to figure out how much of what I'm taking issue with is considered "normal" for the technology, and how much rises to the level of defect.

I think that is banding, which is different from what I am experiencing. Mine is only visible when the camera pans, and not otherwise of perfectly uniform stationary content. I think you definitely should have Panasonic look at that. I don't think banding of any sort or degree should be tolerated.
post #1113 of 9047
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

"My home is so remote that no one will do delivery."

A few more words, but much less effort than you expended being difficult about someone trying to help.

Waaaaahhhh
post #1114 of 9047
IIRC, Sears will not stock the VT but you could order it. I assume from what you're saying that neither BB nor Sears will deliver to your home so you'll have to pick it up yourself?

Since Amazon uses a common carrier could you not arrange to pick it up at the truck terminal? I've done this with a large TV before (though not Amazon).

Just askin...
post #1115 of 9047
^^ That's sucks...I thought I would be rid of banding once I exchange this UN55D8000 for the GT50 but I guess not.
post #1116 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Rashid81 View Post

I think that is banding, which is different from what I am experiencing. Mine is only visible when the camera pans, and not otherwise of perfectly uniform stationary content. I think you definitely should have Panasonic look at that. I don't think banding of any sort or degree should be tolerated.

Actually you know what? After you showed my your picture, I ran D-nice's slides to look for banding, and lo and behold, I have two nasty vertical bands very similar to your picture, with one exactly corresponding to what I have been trying to describe all along. This set is definitely going back. Thank you so very much for posting those pictures, have been a huge help. My only question is, should I upgrade to the flagship if Panasonic has better quality control on the VTs? The PQ between the GT and VT will be too similar for me to notice.
post #1117 of 9047
Any settings yet for the GT50? Just got a 60GT50 the other day and I am loving my initiation into high def TV.

Just want to play with this toy and have some fun.
post #1118 of 9047
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Originally Posted by weedeater View Post

IIRC, Sears will not stock the VT but you could order it. I assume from what you're saying that neither BB nor Sears will deliver to your home so you'll have to pick it up yourself?

Since Amazon uses a common carrier could you not arrange to pick it up at the truck terminal? I've done this with a large TV before (though not Amazon).

Just askin...

This is a possibility but a huge hassle, in particular with the possibility of having to return it. B&M is the only way I will buy a big ticket item like this, both Sears and BB will both deliver and pick up for returns.
post #1119 of 9047
Can someone please test 720p content on this set (preferably a game coming from a PS3) and let me know if it looks painted on and mushy. The ST50 has some sort of smoothing feature on for 720p content and some of it looks poor (my LCD preserves detail better). Thanks!
post #1120 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^

I did call my local store. Totally clueless. She also stated that she has no SKU in the system for the 65GT50.

The sku for the 65" GT50 is 5025207
post #1121 of 9047
Hi Kevin. I gave the BB person that number today (found in your previous post) and she still couldn't find anything. Thanks though.

I'll wait a week or so and try again, hopefully find someone with a bit more knowledge and motivation.
post #1122 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Hi Kevin. I gave the BB person that number today (found in your previous post) and she still couldn't find anything. Thanks though.

I'll wait a week or so and try again, hopefully find someone with a bit more knowledge and motivation.

If you haven't yet, you may ask to speak to someone in the Magnolia section--sometimes they're more knowledgeable about the products specific to their section.
post #1123 of 9047
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Originally Posted by botnet View Post

does anyone know how I can simulate the "THX Bright Room" settings, using "custom"?

In short, i'd like to turn on motion smoothing but the "THX Bright Room" has it disabled, so I want to define custom settings that match.

Copy the settings for THX bright room in custom mode and enable motion smoothing.

Quote from "TIMETOPLAYTHEGAME"
^^ That's sucks...I thought I would be rid of banding once I exchange this UN55D8000 for the GT50 but I guess not.

Just because someone claims they have it doesn't mean they all do. I don't.

Quote from "Dan134"
Can someone please test 720p content on this set (preferably a game coming from a PS3) and let me know if it looks painted on and mushy. The ST50 has some sort of smoothing feature on for 720p content and some of it looks poor (my LCD preserves detail better). Thanks!

I played Assasins Creed 2 on my PS3 and it looks awesome. No problems.
post #1124 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Copy the settings for THX bright room in custom mode and enable motion smoothing.

Quote from "TIMETOPLAYTHEGAME"
^^ That's sucks...I thought I would be rid of banding once I exchange this UN55D8000 for the GT50 but I guess not.

Just because someone claims they have it doesn't mean they all do. I don't.

Quote from "Dan134"
Can someone please test 720p content on this set (preferably a game coming from a PS3) and let me know if it looks painted on and mushy. The ST50 has some sort of smoothing feature on for 720p content and some of it looks poor (my LCD preserves detail better). Thanks!

I played Assasins Creed 2 on my PS3 and it looks awesome. No problems.

So detail is rendered accurately? On the ST50, some games look like they suffer from some sort of oil painting look, everything looks smoothed out. Turning sharpness up to 100 and contour emphasis on helps to remedy this issue, but it's still present.

Would you mind taking some photos? If you have time of course. I don't want to go through the trouble of returning the ST50 to Amazon and purchasing the GT50 only to run into the same issue.
post #1125 of 9047
Random question for anyone out there. Do you know if BB will price match Newegg? I'm looking to get the 60GT50 and Newegg has a great price, but I have gift cards for BB so I'd like to get it from there.
post #1126 of 9047
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Originally Posted by JPeezy13 View Post

Random question for anyone out there. Do you know if BB will price match Newegg? I'm looking to get the 60GT50 and Newegg has a great price, but I have gift cards for BB so I'd like to get it from there.

I think BB will only match local brick and mortar stores.
post #1127 of 9047
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Originally Posted by wesg View Post

On earlier pages [p28, by whipit, and p31 by Damiene] users commented that streaming content to their GT50 using the mezzmo application as a DLNA server was working well for them.

I'm attemping to stream recorded TV shows from WMC to a new GT50, I've installed mezzmo and the GT50 locates the dlna server without issue.

TV is connected to network by a wired gigabit connection. I can view the the content listings from the TV. However, when I select a program from that list, I get an error message that it can not recogonize the file. I tried the "Panasonic Viera (2011)" and "Panasonic Viera" media profiles both with the same result. Tried to run with real time transcoding and with the content pre-transcoded to h264-ac3.

I'm running mezzmo v 2.5.0 on a windows 7 64 bit machine. (Corei7)

Any advice from those that have had success?

Much appreciated.

I think I had to pick a profile called something like "Panasonic Viera (no avi)", not at home at the moment so can't give you the exact name, but will take a look this evening.
post #1128 of 9047
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Originally Posted by JPeezy13 View Post

Random question for anyone out there. Do you know if BB will price match Newegg? I'm looking to get the 60GT50 and Newegg has a great price, but I have gift cards for BB so I'd like to get it from there.

If you check the website it says that they don't price match online stores/prices. I called my store this weekend and they confirmed. Though if you have a special relationship with one of their sales people it might not hurt to try.
post #1129 of 9047
^^^
In the Denon 4311CI deals thread there is at least one report of BB matching Electronic Expo's deal price of $1299. This is $800 savings. It doesn't hurt to try but I agree, it depends on the salesperson (probably a manager).
post #1130 of 9047
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

If you check the website it says that they don't price match online stores/prices. I called my store this weekend and they confirmed. Though if you have a special relationship with one of their sales people it might not hurt to try.

This is true. I have ONE guy at my BB that I talk to, and he matched Cleveland Plasma's price (which is a B&M store, but I'm not in Cleveland) on my VT50. He also said he'd match Amazon's price for me if it goes lower. It just depends who you talk to and build relationships with.
post #1131 of 9047
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Originally Posted by JPeezy13 View Post

Random question for anyone out there. Do you know if BB will price match Newegg? I'm looking to get the 60GT50 and Newegg has a great price, but I have gift cards for BB so I'd like to get it from there.

Unlikely since from my understanding they don't even match their own online store prices.
post #1132 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Rashid81 View Post

Actually you know what? After you showed my your picture, I ran D-nice's slides to look for banding, and lo and behold, I have two nasty vertical bands very similar to your picture, with one exactly corresponding to what I have been trying to describe all along. This set is definitely going back. Thank you so very much for posting those pictures, have been a huge help. My only question is, should I upgrade to the flagship if Panasonic has better quality control on the VTs? The PQ between the GT and VT will be too similar for me to notice.

Glad that was helpful, let us know how the service call goes. It sounds like your set might have a bigger manifestation of this issue with this than mine. I have been on the fence about whether to seek an exchange since I don't want to go through all the required hassle unless there's a solid chance that the replacement will be better.

It's been really hard to know how common it is, I think in no small part because it is a somewhat subtle effect and most people don't pay strict enough visual attention to even notice it.

I posted those same pictures in the other plasma tech forum, and I was told that it is DSE. Also I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the physical screens across panny plasma models are identical, and the differences come from the firmware and control hardware. Someone please correct me if that's wrong.
post #1133 of 9047
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Originally Posted by threephi View Post

Also I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the physical screens across panny plasma models are identical, and the differences come from the firmware and control hardware. Someone please correct me if that's wrong.

While I believe that is more or less true, I have yet to see a report from a VT50 owner. Could be something else that is causing the band.
post #1134 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Copy the settings for THX bright room in custom mode and enable motion smoothing.

The custom menu is disabled when THX bright room is selected...
post #1135 of 9047
I got a professional calibration done by Coast Calibration in the San Diego area and man does it look nice.

Few things I wanted to comment on:

1. All of the different pictures modes (custom, thx cinema, thx brightroom, vivid, standard, cinema, and game) are completely different from each other, even with the same settings. For example, if you give vivid and custom the same settings they will not look the same, it is all over the board.

2. The best option to calibrate was Cinema, very close to perfect gamma and color temperature (after calibration).

3. The US model does not have nearly as many tuning options as the Euro model, which kind of sucks.

4. There is a sharpness bug thing that kept happening during certain slides (top right corner would "shift" sometimes, kind of hard to explain).

I will post my settings later once he emails me everything he did.
post #1136 of 9047
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Originally Posted by masterkaj View Post


2. The best option to calibrate was Cinema, very close to 2500k and perfect color reproduction (after calibration).

post #1137 of 9047
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Originally Posted by masterkaj View Post

I got a professional calibration done by Coast Calibration in the San Diego area and man does it look nice.

I would like to include a link to your calibration report in the lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post. To do that I need an AVS user name for the person who did the work. Is that possible?
post #1138 of 9047
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Originally Posted by masterkaj View Post


I will post my settings later once he emails me everything he did.

Woot looking forward to it!
post #1139 of 9047
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Originally Posted by threephi View Post

Glad that was helpful, let us know how the service call goes. It sounds like your set might have a bigger manifestation of this issue with this than mine. I have been on the fence about whether to seek an exchange since I don't want to go through all the required hassle unless there's a solid chance that the replacement will be better.

It's been really hard to know how common it is, I think in no small part because it is a somewhat subtle effect and most people don't pay strict enough visual attention to even notice it.

I posted those same pictures in the other plasma tech forum, and I was told that it is DSE. Also I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the physical screens across panny plasma models are identical, and the differences come from the firmware and control hardware. Someone please correct me if that's wrong.

I don't think I will be making any service calls. I plan on getting a replacement via Amazon. I am currently waiting it out hoping the banding may disappear after more use, but I have little hope. Meanwhile, I will keep an eye on the VT50 threads to see if there are any similar complaints. If no complaints are voiced by the time I request the exchange, which should be in a couple of weeks, then I am upgrading. Otherwise, I will simply ask for a new GT50. It is a little disappointing, to tell you the truth.
post #1140 of 9047
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I think BB will only match local brick and mortar stores.

This, but you may actually have to call customer service for this to happen.
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