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post #2371 of 9717
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Originally Posted by jstreet View Post

I hope D-Nice's settings work considerably better than do Katzmeier's on my 60GT50. I'm nearly at the end of my Amazon 30-day return window, and frankly that devout hope is the main reason I haven't already returned the set.

If for whatever reason your expecting to plug in some numbers from D-Nice and have your set turn into a Kuro or better then your going to be very disappointed. The THX settings are already close to what a properly tuned set will provide. You may get a little more brightness and some slightly different color but thats about it. If you are not happy with the PQ in THX Cinema you are not going to see enough difference in PQ to change your mind. From that stand-point, what are you expecting ? The GT50 is as good as any set I've ever seen and better than most.

I plugged Katz's numbers in late last night; the PQ is a little "different" than the THX Cinema but I don't think its really "better". If anything, I think I prefer the THX Cinema settings. That is just a very quick impression on OTA HD broadcast; I will have to give Katz's set-up a little more testing. I primarily wanted the set-up for the USB input since the THX Cinema mode isn't available.
post #2372 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

The TV has a digital optical audio output and I bought a decoder that converts it to analog stereo output for my wireless headphones.

Yea, that is one of the options I suggested. I think its just a bit of a head shaker to find you need to buy a $40 adapter because they didn't include a $0.40 connector. I will credit Panasonic with giving the set a fairly decent set of built-ins. I am mostly content with the SQ for normal TV. I had picked-up a Radio Shack D-to-A box when I was playing with an LG 55LM7600 because the sound quality was so ridiculously poor. I was using a set of THX AV speakers I had. The Panasonic's SQ is so much better than the LG that I returned the D-to-A box and just use the built-ins. I do think a simple subwoofer jack would add a lot to ALL of the new flat TV's. For serious sound I turn on the AV reciever.
post #2373 of 9717
IMO Katz's GT50 calibration settings look much better than THX Cinema and (naturally) his VT50 cal. settings. I see a big difference in color accuracy over both and it gives a bit more pop and brightness over THX Cinema, which is what i was looking for. (BTW,I bumped up the contrast a few notches over his setting)

I went from being very happy with the TV to being completely thrilled with it. I now feel no need to get my set calibrated. I can't imagine it looking too much better than it does now.
Edited by wattheF - 6/22/12 at 4:49pm
post #2374 of 9717
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There's no meaningful difference between the GT50 and the ST50's picture after both are properly calibrated. Both are outstanding performers, among the best plasma TVs I've ever tested, and just shy of the picture afforded by the much less affordable TC-PVT50 series. Samsung's PNE6500 and PNE8000 scored the same as ST50 and the GT50 in this category, but I'd pick the Panasonics because of their slightly better light output (at least compared with the 60-inch Samsungs).


Its not just the light output that is better on the Panasonic's, its the black level that really sets it apart IMO. The black on my 55'' GT50 looks SOOOOOO much better than my 51'' E8000 did. Although I have heard the larger size Samsung's have much better black level than the 51''
Edited by wattheF - 6/22/12 at 5:14pm
post #2375 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Yea, that is one of the options I suggested. I think its just a bit of a head shaker to find you need to buy a $40 adapter because they didn't include a $0.40 connector. I will credit Panasonic with giving the set a fairly decent set of built-ins. I am mostly content with the SQ for normal TV. I had picked-up a Radio Shack D-to-A box when I was playing with an LG 55LM7600 because the sound quality was so ridiculously poor. I was using a set of THX AV speakers I had. The Panasonic's SQ is so much better than the LG that I returned the D-to-A box and just use the built-ins. I do think a simple subwoofer jack would add a lot to ALL of the new flat TV's. For serious sound I turn on the AV reciever.

Too bad they couldn't make the breakout cable two way because that has a regular 1/8" headphone jack as part of it (if I'm not mistaken).
post #2376 of 9717
Here is another review and settings for the GT 50. I will try these settings tonight and compare with the ones I have now, just to compare as I am satisfied with the settings I already have. Enjoying the EURO cup and Blurays!biggrin.gif

http://reviews.*******************.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-tcp60gt50.html

PS. sorry won't let me provide the link
post #2377 of 9717
I actually bought the $80 Gefen digital audio decoder because there was a warning with the less expensive one that it would not work with 5.1 audio. I haven't installed it yet but I understand that the Panasonic optical audio output is always on. With my old Sony TV the stereo audio output was only on with the built-in speakers set to off. That would not work when watching with my wife so I had a switched setup connected to the cable box audio output and the DVD audio output. It would have been simpler if they always had a fixed audio output and allowed the built-in speakers to be lowered to off.
post #2378 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/?tag=leftnav
Here is the ratings for best picture quality...ST is rated better than the GT.. Get your facts straight please before you come at me..

A direct quote from the review you linked to: "The only reason the GT50 sits below the ST50 on this list is because I can't place them next to one another. For all practical purposes their picture quality is identical."
post #2379 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

And where do they say this? rolleyes.gif
I'm no ST50 hater... I own one. But stop spreading false information to backup your theory that the ST50 is the best TV in the lineup. Quoted from the review:

Check above post. Don't you ever say I'm spreading false information again..

Did you read your own link if so you lack basic reading comprehension

They are rating th ST higher based on overall value not better picture quality.
To further elaborate it's their opinion all the perks not included in ST don't justify the price difference. In the link they make reference to pq being identical and they would of list both tvs as equal but understandingly they don't do ties.
post #2380 of 9717
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Did you read your own link if so you lack basic reading comprehension
They are rating th ST higher based on overall value not better picture quality.
To further elaborate it's their opinion all the perks not included in ST don't justify the price difference. In the link they make reference to pq being identical and they would of list both tvs as equal but understandingly they don't do ties.

My point exactly...The GT was suppose to trump the ST with all those fancy specs..But guess what didn't happen GT is flawed and everyone with a clue knows it...
post #2381 of 9717
Actually after rereading entire link there are several contradictions. Not a well written piece. But I think if you exercise some common sense it will go a long way. The pq has been stated by several professionals to be identical. Same panel same filter. There's not one thing missing are added to the GT that you could objectively say decreases picture quality Or can you? It just doesn't past the common sense test for Panasonic to produce a lower tier model with better pq. With that said Its been stated the st, gt and vt are all very close in picture quality.
post #2382 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

And by the way they rate the ST as the same PQ quality, not overall read the review numb nuts..


Is this not your words: FYI, Cnet has the ST rated better in picture quality than the GT, not just overall.[/quote]
post #2383 of 9717
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Actually after rereading entire link there are several contradictions. Not a well written piece. But I think if you exercise some common sense it will go a long way. The pq has been stated by several professionals to be identical. Same panel same filter. There's not one thing missing are added to the GT that you could objectively say decreases picture quality Or can you? It just doesn't past the common sense test for Panasonic to produce a lower tier model with better pq. With that said Its been stated the st, gt and vt are all very close in picture quality.

What, that's happened the last two years with Samsung where the lower end TV produced a better picture. And are you telling me That you would spend 1000 dollars more for a VT where the ST is the same pic quality...Which we all know is true.
post #2384 of 9717
Lets just agree to disagree. Don't want an online fight.
post #2385 of 9717
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

My point exactly...The GT was suppose to trump the ST with all those fancy specs..But guess what didn't happen GT is flawed and everyone with a clue knows it...

Since the products debuted its been stated pq for st an gt are identical. Again both the st and gt models share the same panel and filter. If one was to get the gt over the st it would not be based on pq. [/quote]
Edited by desmond82 - 6/22/12 at 9:28pm
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Mr. Walters link from another thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...90&postcount=2[/quote]

^ you should educate yourself. And I'm not tryna fight you but I believe your logic is flawed not the GT
post #2387 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

My point exactly...The GT was suppose to trump the ST with all those fancy specs..But guess what didn't happen GT is flawed and everyone with a clue knows it...
So, you're the only one with a clue? You're the only one who seems to think the ST50 is the best in the lineup and you keep flat out LYING to backup your theory.

I can't see the post people are quoting, but if you want me to not say you're spreading false information, then stop doing it. rolleyes.gif

You said, quote:
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FYI, Cnet has the ST rated better in picture quality than the GT, not just overall.

Is that not false information? And that's not the only time either.

Tired of arguing with you. I'm just gonna put you on ignore and hope the mods stop you from telling people lies.
Edited by rahzel - 6/22/12 at 9:16pm
post #2388 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Actually after rereading entire link there are several contradictions. Not a well written piece. But I think if you exercise some common sense it will go a long way. The pq has been stated by several professionals to be identical. Same panel same filter. There's not one thing missing are added to the GT that you could objectively say decreases picture quality Or can you? It just doesn't past the common sense test for Panasonic to produce a lower tier model with better pq. With that said Its been stated the st, gt and vt are all very close in picture quality.

What, that's happened the last two years with Samsung where the lower end TV produced a better picture. And are you telling me That you would spend 1000 dollars more for a VT where the ST is the same pic quality...Which we all know is true.

The link I previously posted spells everything out. Keep in mind several people can not get past the look of the st vs the gt and vt

Good night
post #2389 of 9717
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

So, you're the only one with a clue? You're the only one who seems to think the ST50 is the best in the lineup and you keep flat out LYING to backup your theory.
I can't see the post people are quoting, but if you want me to not say you're spreading false information, then stop doing it. rolleyes.gif
You said, quote:
Is that not false information? And that's not the only time either.
Tired of arguing with you. I'm just gonna put you on ignore and hope the mods stop you from telling people lies.

They are two different TV's with different specs. The GT has better specs/ They were voted to have the same pic quality...So that would mean the ST has better pic quality due to the fact that one cost less than the other ...
post #2390 of 9717
Its the Lackey theory, in which one item with better specs cost more but produces the same amount of pic quality than a lesser amount. In theory the one with the less price produces a better picture.
post #2391 of 9717
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Mr. Walters link from another thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...90&postcount=2
^ you should educate yourself. And I'm not tryna fight you but I believe your logic is flawed not the GT[/quote]

It goes to nothing, please use the "quote" function correctly...Thank you.
post #2392 of 9717
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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Actually after rereading entire link there are several contradictions. Not a well written piece. But I think if you exercise some common sense it will go a long way. The pq has been stated by several professionals to be identical. Same panel same filter. There's not one thing missing are added to the GT that you could objectively say decreases picture quality Or can you? It just doesn't past the common sense test for Panasonic to produce a lower tier model with better pq. With that said Its been stated the st, gt and vt are all very close in picture quality.

What, that's happened the last two years with Samsung where the lower end TV produced a better picture. And are you telling me That you would spend 1000 dollars more for a VT where the ST is the same pic quality...Which we all know is true.

The link I previously posted spells everything out. Keep in mind several people can not get past the aesthetics of the st. Many also prefer the look of the vt over the gt. vts front is made of all glass vs gts small black border. If they made a 60vt50 I may have gotten it over the gt. Anyway the $1000 more is based on better features to include better filter and aesthetics. Value is in the eye of the beholder. After considering all 3 models gt met must of my needs.

Ps: if you read though the this thread you'll see must everything we have been discussing has already been thoroughly discussed.

Good night
post #2393 of 9717
Lestat, isn't this what got you mad about the GT50:
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On the Digital Video Essentials test Blu-ray I noticed shifting lines and minor instability in the downtown Philadelphia buildings during an upward-facing pan.

That's from the ST50 review and it was seen in the VT & GT.
post #2394 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

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Originally Posted by desmond82 View Post

Mr. Walters link from another thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...90&postcount=2
^ you should educate yourself. And I'm not tryna fight you but I believe your logic is flawed not the GT

It goes to nothing, please use the "quote" function correctly...Thank you.[/quote]


Lol it works for me take 2 second and actually research the product differences. It's starting to get crystal clear that you either have some kind of backwards agenda or are trying to manufacture controversy also known the trolling so like I said before good night.
post #2395 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

What, that's happened the last two years with Samsung where the lower end TV produced a better picture. And are you telling me That you would spend 1000 dollars more for a VT where the ST is the same pic quality...Which we all know is true.

It's not true. I've owned the GT & Vt.

Have you bought the ST?
post #2396 of 9717
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please limit your posts to technical issues
post #2397 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

Its the Lackey theory, in which one item with better specs cost more but produces the same amount of pic quality than a lesser amount. In theory the one with the less price produces a better picture.

After reading the above statement my better judgment tells me you can't be reached but I'll give it one more try anyway.

Specs concerning pq for the st/gt are the SAME. Now with that said features included in GT50 and excluded in ST50 include 24,576 steps of graduation, 1080p Pure Direct, THX 3D Cerified Display, Dual Core Processor, additional hdmi input and aesthetically some may prefer the look and narrower bezel of the GT. Value is in the eye of the beholder.

God bless


ps: one may have perceived the 24,576 steps of graduation added to the GT and VT would improve pq over ST but per several expert reviews and calibrators that feature was discribed as not making any real pq improvement.
Edited by desmond82 - 6/23/12 at 5:25am
post #2398 of 9717
Pro vs self calibration using D-Nice GT50 settings

60GT50. In theory at what distance, if any, would the average techno person/ AVS member no longer perceive a difference in PQ between using a Pro calibration and using D-Nice's posted calibration settings for the GT50? 8,10,12 feet ?
Edited by coolcoyote - 6/23/12 at 7:22am
post #2399 of 9717
Where can i find D-Nice's GT50 Cal. settings.

Can someone please post a link?smile.gif
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