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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

i bet the table or whatever you have the tv on thats not level and not the tv

You'd lose that bet. There are a number of reports from owners here and also over at HDJ that their TVs are sitting lower on one side, and measured and compared the gaps between the left and right corners above their table tops to confirm it. Some even posted pictures. Some have been able to loosen the screws and get it even, while others were not quite successful. Panasonic is aware of the issue.
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Originally Posted by gizzygone View Post

I was just reading another thread about LED vs Plasma TVs, and somebody had mentioned that Panasonics this year seem to have a bigger issue with image retention than their Samsung equivalents. Since I'm going to pull the trigger on a gt50, or a e7000, I was wondering if owners could comment? My current Samsung plasma hasnt had terrible IR, but it's difficult to ignore the great reviews Panasonic has right now...

Was that somebody named David_B by any chance? There are plenty of 2012 Panasonic owners who report zero IR even after gaming or watching sports with tickers and logos and scoreboards etc. That's not to say it doesn't happen to some people, but it certainly doesn't happen to everyone. Scan more Panasonic threads and read the feedback from actual owners - it doesn't appear to be rampant like some people claim.
Edited by RandyWalters - 6/30/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

i agree read in many places new plasmas don't need burn in or slides. but to each his own
The only reason D-Nice suggested using the slides for the first 100 hours of a display's life was so that the owner could duplicate the procedure that D-Nice used when he did the calibrations that he has posted for several display models.

The misinformation and misunderstanding that's surrounds the use of those slides is truly amazing. I once spent a summer in Japan living with a Japanese family and traveling with a group of students -- both US and Japanese. On one occasion we played the gossip game. We were in a circle made up of alternating native (several different accents) English speakers, and second language (only in school) English speakers. The results were hilarious. AVS provides for unlimited players in the gossip game. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

i agree read in many places new plasmas don't need burn in or slides. but to each his own
The only reason D-Nice suggested using the slides for the first 100 hours of a display's life was so that the owner could duplicate the procedure that D-Nice used when he did the calibrations that he has posted for several display models.

The misinformation and misunderstanding that's surrounds the use of those slides is truly amazing.

I once spent a summer in Japan living with a Japanese family and traveling with a group of students -- both US and Japanese. On one occasion we played the gossip game. We were in a circle made up of alternating native (several different accents) English speakers, and second language (only in school) English speakers. The results were hilarious. AVS provides for unlimited players in the gossip game. wink.gif
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It's to bad Panasonic doesn't just run slides for 100 hrs to age the sets then check them for problems which would usually come up in those hundred hours.
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Just pulled the trigger on a 55"GT50 after doing lots of reading. I'm still a little conflicted that I should have bought the ST50 instead and saved the cash. Anyone in here have buyers remorse on the GT and wish they went with the ST?
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Originally Posted by jacksonmaha View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a 55"GT50 after doing lots of reading. I'm still a little conflicted that I should have bought the ST50 instead and saved the cash. Anyone in here have buyers remorse on the GT and wish they went with the ST?

I don't think anyone can tell you if the ST would have been a better choice for you as it's totally dependent on your own personal needs and preferences. For me personally, THX Day and Night modes, extra HDMI and the bezel design alone were more than worth the price difference. I can't say if double the shades of gradations or the dual core processor in the GT50 make a difference as I never compared the ST and GT side by side.
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Originally Posted by steve1022 View Post

It's to bad Panasonic doesn't just run slides for 100 hrs to age the sets then check them for problems which would usually come up in those hundred hours.
FYI, there is a built-in set of fixed images available in the service menu of the Panasonic plasmas labeled "Aging" includes a full screen white image and the moving white bar too.
It can be used and never times out until you manually power the set off too.
Wonder what that is for? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by ATC7 View Post

I don't think anyone can tell you if the ST would have been a better choice for you as it's totally dependent on your own personal needs and preferences. For me personally, THX Day and Night modes, extra HDMI and the bezel design alone were more than worth the price difference. I can't say if double the shades of gradations or the dual core processor in the GT50 make a difference as I never compared the ST and GT side by side.

The dual-core CPU may speed up the Viera Connect interface and internet apps.
Has anyone timed the response in Viera Connect for various operations between an ST50 and GT50?
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Hi all

I just bought a new 60" GT that will be delivered on Thursday. A couple of questions,

What is the best wall mount for this tv, non swivel

I have an apple tv that can display photos in a loop for a number of hours, would this be the same as D nice break in?


Thanks
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Originally Posted by jacksonmaha View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a 55"GT50 after doing lots of reading. I'm still a little conflicted that I should have bought the ST50 instead and saved the cash. Anyone in here have buyers remorse on the GT and wish they went with the ST?

Nope, not at all.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Was that somebody named David_B by any chance? There are plenty of 2012 Panasonic owners who report zero IR even after gaming or watching sports with tickers and logos and scoreboards etc. That's not to say it doesn't happen to some people, but it certainly doesn't happen to everyone. Scan more Panasonic threads and read the feedback from actual owners - it doesn't appear to be rampant like some people claim.

I had no idea who David_B was until you mentioned him. I read some of his posts....holy. He's Sumsung's Baghdad-Bob, on steroids. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

My new 50GT50 works great, no buzz, but HDMI 4 does not work. The authorized local repairer was here and told me they would have to take the set away to change a board inside the set. He also said that eventually I will lose HDMI 3. I am very reluctant to have the set opened up so I told him that since I have a one-year warranty and now I am on record for the problem, I am willing to live without HDMI 4 but if I find that I lose another HDMI port I will call and have it repaired.

I'm surprised that they have to take the whole TV away to replace a board, that's never been my experience with Panasonic authorized service techs; they've always replaced boards on site for me. I guess each repair centre is different but still. Also, how can they predict that you're going to lose HDMI 3? The whole thing sounds fishy to me. Do you have access to any other service technicians or repair centres? Also, have you considered an outright replacement since you just got it?
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My girlfriend and I just watched Woodstock on blu-ray. Wow the set really shined. There are so many times in the movie where there are black frames and they looked really great - truly inky black. The colors really looked great as well. I am very happy with this TV.
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Originally Posted by ATC7 View Post

I'm surprised that they have to take the whole TV away to replace a board, that's never been my experience with Panasonic authorized service techs; they've always replaced boards on site for me. I guess each repair centre is different but still. Also, how can they predict that you're going to lose HDMI 3? The whole thing sounds fishy to me. Do you have access to any other service technicians or repair centres? Also, have you considered an outright replacement since you just got it?

I have been following this forum for a while before I bought my 50GT50 from Amazon. While I appreciate how good Amazon's replacement warranty is, I have read too many comments about buzz and other problems. Not that it deterred me from buying my TV, and I am glad it did not, but enough so I am hesitant to give up what I have. The PQ is terrific, I have not noticed any IR, and the TV turns on quickly unlike my old plasma TV. So I figure if it ain't broke (enough) don't fix it. I also think the comment about losing other HDMI ports was fishy.
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

... I also think the comment about losing other HDMI ports was fishy.

I have no idea about Panasonic service; I have never used them. But, for some other electronics I have had issues with, I have seen a GIANT difference between comapny dedicated repair techs who work on nothing other than a specific brand name and a generic "authorized" repair center that may have some level of standing with a hundred different brands. The generic repair shops are hit-or-miss, usualy very slow, and may know less about the issue than you do. Factory certified service is not the same as factory authorized service.

In one case, I took a failed Infinity sub-woofer to an authorized service center. 4 months later they told me it couldn't be repaired and no equivalent replacement was available. I sent it to a certified service center and had it back within 2 weeks, good as new.

It depends on where you live and what level of service Panasonic provides in your area. Some may have access to a Panasonic tech, some may have access to tech at a local TV shop who sell Panasonic, some may have access to generic tech who is "authorized" to work on Panasonic products and then just send a repair bill to Panasonic.
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

I have no idea about Panasonic service; I have never used them. But, for some other electronics I have had issues with, I have seen a GIANT difference between comapny dedicated repair techs who work on nothing other than a specific brand name and a generic "authorized" repair center that may have some level of standing with a hundred different brands. The generic repair shops are hit-or-miss, usualy very slow, and may know less about the issue than you do. Factory certified service is not the same as factory authorized service.
In one case, I took a failed Infinity sub-woofer to an authorized service center. 4 months later they told me it couldn't be repaired and no equivalent replacement was available. I sent it to a certified service center and had it back within 2 weeks, good as new.
It depends on where you live and what level of service Panasonic provides in your area. Some may have access to a Panasonic tech, some may have access to tech at a local TV shop who sell Panasonic, some may have access to generic tech who is "authorized" to work on Panasonic products and then just send a repair bill to Panasonic.

You hit the nail on the head! It is a local repair shop that is an authorized repairer for Panasonic who in the past had repaired my vacuum cleaner. I do not think they even sell TVs or anything else.
post #2568 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Applemike68 View Post

Hi all
I just bought a new 60" GT that will be delivered on Thursday. A couple of questions,
What is the best wall mount for this tv, non swivel
I have an apple tv that can display photos in a loop for a number of hours, would this be the same as D nice break in?
Thanks
Not really, because the slides are sets of colors that are supposed to break in all of the pixels the same way. Will doing that still work pretty much the same way? Probably, but not exactly.
post #2569 of 9713
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Originally Posted by gizzygone View Post

I was just reading another thread about LED vs Plasma TVs, and somebody had mentioned that Panasonics this year seem to have a bigger issue with image retention than their Samsung equivalents. Since I'm going to pull the trigger on a gt50, or a e7000, I was wondering if owners could comment? My current Samsung plasma hasnt had terrible IR, but it's difficult to ignore the great reviews Panasonic has right now...

As a former owner of a E8000 plasma and current owner of a GT50 i can tell you that in my experience, the GT50 is more likely than the E8000 to get persistent IR. I can't comment on the E7000 but since its the same panel it should be similar to the E8000 which didn't show any IR when i had it.

I hadn't seen any IR on the GT50 for the first week either, but then i noticed the "Menu" bar was left behind after i had spent some time adjusting settings for 3D veiwing. It wasn't all that noticeable (only on solid color screens) but It was very persistent. It did eventually completely clear.

I think it had to do with the fact that the "Menu Bar" is bright white and i had it on quite a bit while messing with settings to get acustom to the set. Also while in 3D mode (which is right when i noticed it) the panel is at its peak brightness. All the while the panel was not broken in yet.

So while It scarred me at first, at this point i am not worried at all about IR on my GT50. Unless you are a hardcore gamer it is a non issue (and even then it might not be). You just need to vary your content.

I would say just purchase the TV you prefer. I can tell you that after returning my E8000 (for a list of other reasons), I am VERY happy with my 55'' GT50.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by jacksonmaha View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a 55"GT50 after doing lots of reading. I'm still a little conflicted that I should have bought the ST50 instead and saved the cash. Anyone in here have buyers remorse on the GT and wish they went with the ST?
Well to answer your question, for me, no way. I knew what I wanted but it sounds like you either didn't buy the GT50 for the right reasons or you don't know the differences between the sets. For me I wanted the extra connectivity, dual core processor, better styling and THX modes. I have zero interest in having my TV calibrated. If none of the above have any importance to you then you didn't buy the GT50 for the right reasons.
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I hadn't seen any IR on the GT50 for the first week either, but then i noticed the "Menu" bar was left behind after i had spent some time adjusting settings for 3D veiwing. It wasn't all that noticeable (only on solid color screens) but It was very persistent. It did eventually completely clear.
I think it had to do with the fact that the "Menu Bar" is bright white and i had it on quite a bit while messing with settings to get acustom to the set. Also while in 3D mode (which is right when i noticed it) the panel is at its peak brightness. All the while the panel was not broken in yet.
I too noted that Menu IR early on. Had to spend over a week running slides to get rid of it.
The Panasonic 2012 sets do appear to be more senstive to bright white text/logo IR during the first 100-200 hours of active use.
I recommend avoiding using the menu as much as possible during the first 100-200 hours and display the slides a lot early to quickly get past that initial sensitive period.

It kinda makes sense since reports are that the black levels improve after the first 100-200 hours and I have seen that.
If a few pixels from bright white text got pre-aged in that early period, would have to wait for the other pixels to age to match for that initial IR to dissapate I think.
I haven't had IR issues from the bright white menu text or logos since then, now at 400+ hours.
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Curious, anybody have Comcast with a 60 gt50?

Wondering if anyone is experiencing the same thing I am... When watching certain channels for example a movie on starz hd channel there are very small strips or vertical bands on the left and right side of the picture

The only way I can describe it is it's as if the picture source can't fill the screen all the way
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Well to answer your question, for me, no way. I knew what I wanted but it sounds like you either didn't buy the GT50 for the right reasons or you don't know the differences between the sets. For me I wanted the extra connectivity, dual core processor, better styling and THX modes. I have zero interest in having my TV calibrated. If none of the above have any importance to you then you didn't buy the GT50 for the right reasons.

Thank you for the response. I was tasked with making a selection for another person. If it were me I would and did make the decision to go with the GT vs ST due to the reasons stated. The biggest selling point was the THX Bright Room out of the box for this person. They have a few windows and have never owned a plasma. They trust my decision and I want them to be happy so I just wanted to put that question out there to everyone. If all else fails he will have 30 days to return the set no questions asked.

I have always bought plasma because I feel you get the best bang for your buck vs. LED / LCD.

We shall see if they like my choice.
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Thanks all for the info. I pulled the trigger on a 60gt50 tonight. I didn't get to see the TV in store with any nice content, as it was just best buy's generic video. But I noticed when I got it set up it seems very grainy in comparison to my old Samsung plasma.

Could it just be because the Samsung had a few years of break in? Maybe the Panasonic doesn't handle cable tv as well??? Maybe because the Samsung is smaller than the Panasonic???

Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by gizzygone View Post

Thanks all for the info. I pulled the trigger on a 60gt50 tonight. I didn't get to see the TV in store with any nice content, as it was just best buy's generic video. But I noticed when I got it set up it seems very grainy in comparison to my old Samsung plasma.
Could it just be because the Samsung had a few years of break in? Maybe the Panasonic doesn't handle cable tv as well??? Maybe because the Samsung is smaller than the Panasonic???
Any ideas?

Thats what others have noted as well, Panasonic has more dithering so perhaps thats what you see as grainess at least up close to the screen.
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Originally Posted by Joxer View Post

Thats what others have noted as well, Panasonic has more dithering so perhaps thats what you see as grainess at least up close to the screen.

Hmmm... So, since 90% of my viewing is cable TV (Comcast digital hd), I should have gone with a Sammy??? Or is the dithering something that goes away???

Now I'm nervous. I spent a couple hundred more on the Panasonic, without glasses, only because the reviews were all stellar....
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Most of my watching is cable TV from Cablevision. If the program sends a good signal, like Good Morning America on ABC, the picture is remarkably clear and bright using THX Cinema or THX Bright setting. I don't know what dithering looks like because I don't see anything other than a clear picture, when the TV station sends a clear picture--and most TV stations do, especially in prime time. We have had our 50GT50 for 10 days and we still comment about how good the picture is.
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Dithering is only usually noticed very closeup, so if you view from a normal distance it shouldn't be an issue. Its just the nature of the Panasonic plasmas, it doesn't go away.
Grain in video is hard to tell, since it could be in the source such as from filmed sources in low light scenes.
The Panasonic may be better at showing such a film source correctly as it actually is and other displays may filter and hide it.
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Originally Posted by Joxer View Post

Dithering is only usually noticed very closeup, so if you view from a normal distance it shouldn't be an issue. Its just the nature of the Panasonic plasmas, it doesn't go away.
Grain in video is hard to tell, since it could be in the source such as from filmed sources in low light scenes.
The Panasonic may be better at showing such a film source correctly as it actually is and other displays may filter and hide it.

Oddly enough, it seems to have gone down after a software update... Or maybe I'm just going nuts.

Another issue I'm seeing is the Comcast guide and info menus look terrible. They never looked spectacular, but now it all looks grainy. Maybe you're right, and the Panasonic shows the true colors of what is being shown, or again, maybe i bought a tv too large for the room...

But I guess I have a few weeks to play around, and watch. The past 3 TVs I've had have all been samsungs, so I could just be used to how they handle content, but I couldn't ignore all the stellar reviews the panasonics have had, nor could I ignore all of the issues people have been mentioning with this current crop of Samsungs.

I'll keep on viewing, and if I don't grow to like it, I guess I'll return it and start back at square one...
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Originally Posted by Lestat Phoenix View Post

...The GT was suppose to trump the ST with all those fancy specs..But guess what didn't happen GT is flawed and everyone with a clue knows it...
Nobody with any knowledge ever said the GT50 would trump the ST50 - it was known even before they were both released that they shared the same panel and filter, with the only differences being a few more inputs, different bezel design, and adding THX modes.
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