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post #2731 of 9713
I can't comment on games but I've viewed around 20 blu-ray movies at 2.35 aspect. I haven't observed any IR. I prepped with DNice slides for 100 hours and use the CNET settings. I have about 250 hours on the display
post #2732 of 9713
I play Xbox on mine regularly and have no IR at this point (my 55GT50 is about 6 weeks old). I suppose if you're playing for hours on end with no breaks you may run into issues, but so far I haven't run into anything.
post #2733 of 9713
Just picked up an open box 50gt50 tonight for 899 and the plastic is still on the bezel, couldn't be more excited. My dilemma now is do i keep the panny and replace my 46ex723 that i just paid a small fortune to have calibrated and try to sell that, or sell the panny and buy the b&ws I've been eyeing for the last year
post #2734 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Aeillium View Post

So i've been researching for what seems like a lifetime, and I was fairly confident I was going to go with the GT50, until I've seen lots of posts about IR with this unit. I will be using almost 100% for just video games and blueray content, and I was hoping all the owners of this television could tell me their experiences with IR. All the reviews for the PQ and everything else seem perfect, it's really the only thing that is worrying me. I'm coming from only owning LCDs in the past so I'm a bit worried. (For instance I play lots of NHL12 and there's always a scorebox on the screen, and of course there's always the black letterboxes with bluerays) Any help would really be appreciated.


I play Call of Duty MW3 for about 2-3 hours at a time sometimes (should find other things to do but...) and have not had any IR. It does change screens after matches but no issues. I ran the slides for 100 hours and run Game mode when playing xbox. I have about 170 on the tv now.
I was nervous about IR as I am coming from LCD and have been happy so far. I am very careful though and followed some guidelines from the Forum. One thing I want to note regarding gaming on the GT50.....the input lag is so much better than the Samsung E7000 I had. I could play well at all on the Samsung . Hope this helps
post #2735 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

As long as it doesn't introduce artifacts (which it typically doesn't), I prefer sharpness up a little anyways. I keep it between 25-40 depending on the content.

Some models of Sharp, LG, and Pioneer have a softening feature built into the Sharpness control so you can go either way. Sharpness on all TVs is set the same way. The Panasonic Sharpness control adds unwanted content to produce an increase perceived contrast but it's not a good thing as the newly added material covers up intended content. Turn up Sharpness until you see the added whitish content. Turn down Sharpness until it is gone. Done!!! On the ST, GT, and VT50 models that setting is zero.

You can mess with it all you like on SD content but all you're doing is turning a sow's ear into a different kind of sow's ear.

The 2012 Panasonics have a small amount of non defeatable edge enhancement taking place but it is not distinguishable viewing normal content. Too bad it can't be turned off though.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1385212/setting-sharpness-for-people-with-glasses#post_21449641
post #2736 of 9713
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Originally Posted by gizzygone View Post

I just returned my GT50 a couple of hours ago. I gave it a shot for a week, but I too was disappointed with how the Panny handled TV content. Most of the time the picture was fine, but some commercials and some shows just looked horrid. And given that my wife is a huge Lifetime movie watcher, the Panny wasn't cutting it. And even the Comcast menu guide looked grainy and pixelated. Sure it is a terrible source, but it's something I had to look at.
When it came to Blu-Rays, I'll agree, the Panasonic was splendid. Blacks were truly spectacular, and the images were really really nice. I'm no videophile by any means, but I would say it's an amazing picture.
I found the speakers of the Panasonic to be okay too. While I do have a 5.1 surround sound setup, I usually resort to the onboard speakers for late night viewing, so as not to wake up the whole house.
And my panel had no buzz...
Image retention was a joke. From what I've read in this thread, I was expecting it to be horrible. But with only a few hours of viewing, I will say it was much much better than Plasmas of yesteryear. Sure, there'd be some residual static image, but it was only noticeable when the screen was only a solid color... And as soon as a moving image passed, it disappeared.... Maybe the 3 seconds of IR is too much for people here, but I bet with a few months of viewing, it'll work its way out...
I traded it in for a e7000 this weekend. I used them side by side for a few days. Yeah, the Samsung didn't get as inky-black as the Panasonic, but out of the box I preferred the Samsung's image. Much better job at rendering low-quality images, and
But when it came down to it, for my day-to-day viewing, I liked the samsung better... Only because it could render what I watch 90% of the time better... The fact that it was slightly less expensive, and came with glasses (albeit cheap ones), was a nice bonus too...
Too bad Panasonic didn't have a better way of boosting the quality of images... Because it was a very nice looking TV overall (style-wise, and with Blu-Ray sources). And it didn't buzz nearly as loud as this new Samsung!

when you said comcast.....problem solved
post #2737 of 9713
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Some models of Sharp, LG, and Pioneer have a softening feature built into the Sharpness control so you can go either way. Sharpness on all TVs is set the same way. The Panasonic Sharpness control adds unwanted content to produce an increase perceived contrast but it's not a good thing as the newly added material covers up intended content. Turn up Sharpness until you see the added whitish content. Turn down Sharpness until it is gone. Done!!! On the ST, GT, and VT50 models that setting is zero.
You can mess with it all you like on SD content but all you're doing is turning a sow's ear into a different kind of sow's ear.
The 2012 Panasonics have a small amount of non defeatable edge enhancement taking place but it is not distinguishable viewing normal content. Too bad it can't be turned off though.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1385212/setting-sharpness-for-people-with-glasses#post_21449641
i've read elsewhere sharpness should be zero or close
post #2738 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Aeillium View Post

... and of course there's always the black letterboxes with bluerays...

That's not true....many movies (blu-ray or otherwise) have aspect ratios that fill the screen.
post #2739 of 9713
question for a friend..can this tv be isf calibrated?
post #2740 of 9713
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

question for a friend..can this tv be isf calibrated?

Only the VT has the necessary controls for a complete calibration. It pays big dividends to have the Grayscale calibrated on both the GT & ST.

There is an excellent report here: ************** dot com /showthread.php?13296-Review-Panasonic-PC-P50GT50-Plasma

AVS censored me. :-(

Goto HDJ > Display Calibrations And Reviews > Chad B
post #2741 of 9713
Thanks for all the helpful replies guys, makes me feel a little more confident about going with the gt50. Would you recommend I run slides for the first 100 hours? I thought this had nothing to do with IR, and was more about prepping for calibration.
post #2742 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

i've read elsewhere sharpness should be zero or close

On my ST edges look blurred on DVE sharpness pattern. I don't see edges until around 55. I'm currently set at 45 and I believe it looks better than 0
post #2743 of 9713
Help! I have really bad image retention on my P50GT50. I've had the unit since mid April and noticed its the bottom right hand of my screen there is an Espn Nba TV logo on the bottom right portion of the screen. There are other logos stuck at the top of the screen.

I've used thx cinema pretty much exclusively and did not run any slides. I watch mainly sports via a verizon fios, watch movies, and videos in pc mode, and game on ps3, Xbox 360 and PC on the unit.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #2744 of 9713
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

On my ST edges look blurred on DVE sharpness pattern. I don't see edges until around 55. I'm currently set at 45 and I believe it looks better than 0

This is one of the reasons that published calibration settings are a good starting point but have to be further tweaked for individual sets. Beyond that, you also need to re-tweak the settings for each input source. I just replaced my old 1st-generation Samsung Blue-Ray player for the new Panasonic 500 model. The new Panasonic player definitely looks and sounds better. I had assumed incorectly that disk players and other digital devices were just a source of 1's and 0's. I never realized how much difference there is in PQ from one device to the next when playing the same file.

Anyway, I think my point is simply that your combination of ST and disk player will probably have different properties than someone elses set up. If your combo needs more sharpness to give an image you like then I say go for it.
post #2745 of 9713
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Originally Posted by polorsport View Post

Help! I have really bad image retention on my P50GT50. I've had the unit since mid April and noticed its the bottom right hand of my screen there is an Espn Nba TV logo on the bottom right portion of the screen. There are other logos stuck at the top of the screen.
I've used thx cinema pretty much exclusively and did not run any slides. I watch mainly sports via a verizon fios, watch movies, and videos in pc mode, and game on ps3, Xbox 360 and PC on the unit.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

How about a photo. I'm curious what really bad image retention looks like.

The few people that have reported IR here indicated it faded away simply by watching a variety of full screen content. The set has an IR scrubber that you can turn on; I have no idea how long you are supposed to run it. There is also a pixel orbiter that can be turned on/off that is supposed to help prevent IR. Beyond these things, I'd suggest that if you continue to watch the same offending sources that you alter the screen size to move the logos off the same position.

I have yet to hear a single report about permanent BI so beyond all else, relax. It will probably fade.
post #2746 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

when you said comcast.....problem solved

What exactly do you mean by that comment? Are you saying Comcast has inferior PQ? I have Comcast and wish I had other options.
post #2747 of 9713
this panel is good for games? i read that has more imput lag compared to st series
post #2748 of 9713
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Originally Posted by djsolidsnake86 View Post

this panel is good for games? i read that has more imput lag compared to st series

Why would it since they are essentially the same with the exception of THX?
post #2749 of 9713
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Only the VT has the necessary controls for a complete calibration. It pays big dividends to have the Grayscale calibrated on both the GT & ST.
There is an excellent report here: ************** dot com /showthread.php?13296-Review-Panasonic-PC-P50GT50-Plasma
AVS censored me. :-(
Goto HDJ > Display Calibrations And Reviews > Chad B

His review is also posted on this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1403635/official-panasonic-gt50-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/360#post_21920785
post #2750 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pltctytc View Post

when you said comcast.....problem solved

By passing the buck to Comcast you're still ignoring the fact that someone else does it better and that some people are willing to put up with that awful buzz in order to have all their channels look decent. wink.gif
post #2751 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Aeillium View Post

So i've been researching for what seems like a lifetime, and I was fairly confident I was going to go with the GT50, until I've seen lots of posts about IR with this unit. I will be using almost 100% for just video games and blueray content, and I was hoping all the owners of this television could tell me their experiences with IR. All the reviews for the PQ and everything else seem perfect, it's really the only thing that is worrying me. I'm coming from only owning LCDs in the past so I'm a bit worried. (For instance I play lots of NHL12 and there's always a scorebox on the screen, and of course there's always the black letterboxes with bluerays) Any help would really be appreciated.

I think you'll experience some IR. It will be up to you to find out how to balance your tv's diet to avoid or get rid of it.

I don't game and football season is not here yet, however I watch MSNBC, hubby watches SYFY & TNT a lot and we don't see any IR but hubby is a very active surfer.
post #2752 of 9713
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Originally Posted by djsolidsnake86 View Post

this panel is good for games? i read that has more imput lag compared to st series

I'm not a gamer but I had followed a couple of different sites before I went with the GT50. As I recall, there is some "confusion" with the lag numbers because of how some groups started measuring them versus how some groups used to measure them. Some of the numbers have been changed and comparing simple numbers to older sets isn't very useful because the old measurements gave numbers about 1/2 the new numbers. And on and on and on ....

In the end, I think I did see something somewhere that suggested the lag on the ST was a little shorter but that the lag on both the GT and ST are excellent for play and on par or better than the competition from Samsung and Sony.
post #2753 of 9713
General SD card and DLNA questions.

Anyone know how to get large files to play well with SD cards ? The TV is OK with FAT32 but FAT32 won't allow files larger than 4GB. exFAT and NTFS will take larger files but the TV or disk player won't recognize the card format. I don't see any way to get around this. Yes, I can plug the card into a USB mini-dongle and and use it as a generic mass storage device, but I don't want to biggrin.gif

Also, have been playing with the DLNA feature. TV recognizes my Windows-7 laptop as a DLNA server and streams content without using any additional software (thats a nice surprise biggrin.gif) but there appears to be some kind of file size limit here again. The smaller videos are fine but the big files don't show up.

Also, the lower res. video plays well but 1080p appears to continuously play-pause-play-pause .... I was thinking this was a function of having the HP lap-top and TV sharing the same wireless-n network. The router is a dual band cisco/linksys and I can change the band that the TV uses but the lap-top just connects to what it wants to. Any thoughts ?
post #2754 of 9713
Can anyone provide infomation on the new Motorola box top (cable box)? I can't remenber what it is called.

It is the one that has just been issued after the DCX 3400 M.

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread but i don't wanna search through 92 pages.
Edited by wattheF - 7/14/12 at 10:49am
post #2755 of 9713
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Originally Posted by polorsport View Post

Help! I have really bad image retention on my P50GT50. I've had the unit since mid April and noticed its the bottom right hand of my screen there is an Espn Nba TV logo on the bottom right portion of the screen. There are other logos stuck at the top of the screen.
I've used thx cinema pretty much exclusively and did not run any slides. I watch mainly sports via a verizon fios, watch movies, and videos in pc mode, and game on ps3, Xbox 360 and PC on the unit.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In my experience this set can get some IR. I was a bit worried at one point too but realized that after watching full screen content for awhile any signs of IR are washed away. Now that my panel is broken in it is less likely to get that really persistent IR, but it still gets what i will call ''light'' IR. It is not noticeable during normal veiwing.

Don't worry about Burn In. Just vary your content a little more or worst case when you go on a "ESPN Bender" move logo's and hud's around every once in awhile! biggrin.gif

Also, I think it is worth noting that this set only seems to get IR from bright content on the screen (particularly solid white lettering) and seems to have no issues at all with black bars.
Edited by wattheF - 7/14/12 at 10:54am
post #2756 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

By passing the buck to Comcast you're still ignoring the fact that someone else does it better and that some people are willing to put up with that awful buzz in order to have all their channels look decent. wink.gif

So true, I wish i had other options.
post #2757 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

In my experience this set can get some IR. I was a bit worried at one point too but realized that after watching full screen content for awhile any signs of IR are washed away. Now that my panel is broken in it is less likely to get that really persistent IR, but it still gets what i will call ''light'' IR. It is not noticeable during normal veiwing.
Don't worry about Burn In. Just vary your content a little more or worst case when you go on a "ESPN Bender" move logo's and hud's around every once in awhile! biggrin.gif
Also, I think it is worth noting that this set only seems to get IR from bright content on the screen (particularly solid white lettering) and seems to have no issues at all with black bars.


I've noticed some faint IR with letterbox bars after watching a 3d movie since the panel seems to get so bright. But they go away in minutes.
post #2758 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Can anyone provide infomation on the new Motorola box top (cable box)? I can't remenber what it is called.
It is the one that has just been issued after the DCX 3400 M.
I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread but i don't wanna search through 92 pages.

It's a DCX3501-M (a.k.a. RNG200N in some areas). We've had one for about 9 months now, and it's far superior to our previous DCT3416.
post #2759 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

You need to read my post again - i have both mini-blinds AND vertical blinds on those windows - and sometimes i even use them both at the same time biggrin.gif

Sorry, I did miss that. I did not see any blinds or shades in the photo and assumed if you had them you would close them to take the pic.
post #2760 of 9713
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Originally Posted by slb View Post

It's a DCX3501-M (a.k.a. RNG200N in some areas). We've had one for about 9 months now, and it's far superior to our previous DCT3416.

thanks smile.gif
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