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post #2791 of 9713
Hi guys,

I picked up my 50GT50 last week, was blown away by picture quality to be honest.

However, I noticed a buzzing noise over the audio when I was watching a film. It changes based on scene etc.

I've spoken to Panasonic today, sounds like they might swap it out. Just waiting to hear back from them, so fingers crossed...

Will let you all know how I get on....
post #2792 of 9713
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Yes a complete factory reset operation will clear all the internet app settings as well according to the Panasonic plasma FAQs I found at their website:
Reset the televison by following the listed steps: 1) Hold the [Vol -] button on the TV itself. 2) While continuing to hold the [Vol -] button on the TV, hold the [Menu] button on the remote. Continue to hold the two buttons for about five seconds. The "Self Check" screen should appear on the TV. 3) Hold the [Power] button on the TV until the TV powers off. The reset is complete. Note: This procedure will also clear all other TV applications and settings.
I also found this info there on the web browser that isn't documented in the e-manual:
How can I delete a favorite or bookmark from the VIERA Connect Web Browser application?
1) Open the VIERA Connect Web Browser. 2) Display the "Favorites" screen. 3) Highlight the favorite that you want to delete. 4) Press and hold the [OK] button on the TV's remote control. A pop-up menu is displayed. 5) Select the "Delete bookmark" option. 6) Press the [OK] button.

Thanks!
post #2793 of 9713
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

still eagerly awaiting my backordered set.......while i'm waiting I decided to go on a shopping spree and get myself into debt lol. Got myself some great treats to go with this new 65" GT....
Yamaha svx 1122 w/blue tooth adapter
Harmony 1100 w/ps3 adapter
Dell 17R SE 7720 laptop
Sony ps3
widi adapter
Beats wireless headphones
12 3d movies
new reclining couch and love seat
new tv stand and wall mount
biggrin.gif

WOW!! Nice!! Lucky guy you are. That's a quite a nice package, although I'm a Mac guy. I'm jealous. smile.gif
post #2794 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

You joined 4 years ago and have 93 posts; that means you are NOT new biggrin.gif

Discovered the forums 4 years ago but only became active in the last month. Before that poked my head in maybe once a year. Almost all my posts are very recent and from the Speakers area (upgrading both my TV and sound sys.). So, yes I do still consider myself "somewhat new".
Edited by sdg4vfx - 7/19/12 at 11:48am
post #2795 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

My 50GT50 has none of those defects. The screen is perfect, all 2,073,600 pixels are working fine, and i can only hear a slight buzz when i put my head behind the TV and virtually no buzz when i'm a foot from the front screen.
Build date doesn't matter - there are no good or bad months as far as i'm seeing in the various 2012 Panasonic threads.
A few tips about the stand installation on these 2012 models (from another GT50 thread):
(1.) Use a #2 size Phillips Tip Screwdriver - DO NOT USE a smaller #1 size ... The #2 tip fits properly and works perfectly.
(2.) When you insert the base's upright steel tab into the big slot in the bottom of the TV, leave those four screws slightly loose so when you place the TV on the table or credenza, you can nudge the TV ... to get both sides dead even.
Just make sure you thoroughly inspect the screen, panel, and cabinet for physical damage while the Magnolia delivery guys are there. Use a flashlight to inspect every inch of that screen for small or hidden spider cracks in the outer glass and the plasma panel underneath.

Thanks! The Magnolia delivery guys put the stand on - I just checked the screw heads and they're clean so no damage done. Also, I did catch the leaning issue in the thread and checked for that while they were here.

I just now checked the screen glass with a flashlight (thanks for the tip) - it all looks good. Also, I can only hear buzzing when I put my head right next to the left side of the screen.

I'm watching some programming/Blu-Ray's in THX-Cinema (the picture is beautiful) and then running the prep slides when I'm not watching TV (I'm working from home this week so that's easy to do.) Figured running the slides couldn't hurt re the inverse-aging thing. Also the slides let me get a good, naked look at the screen. No stripes or horizontal bands or colored smudges. I see a little DSE but that's normal I think? (None on the blue, faint on the red, strongest on the green and grey slides.)

My last TV was a 5 yo 50" Panasonic plasma. This 65" is only 2 pounds heavier, much thinner and put's off less heat. Besides the pq being better overall (understatement of course), I'm really surprised by how much brighter the screen is.

Question: My TV is on an antique buffet/sideboard so it's higher than the average TV stand. I'm noticing that there is a bit of a viewing angle restriction vertically - can I tilt the TV forward slightly without causing any problems? Thinking I could put something under the back side of stand to raise it a little? (Or maybe I should cut a wedge to fit under the stand instead?)

As someone who didn't discover the forums until after I bought my first HT setup I really appreciate the contributors here.
post #2796 of 9713
Long story short: Exchanged e7000 for 65gt50. Very pleased with result. Exchanged due to input lag fo gaming.

veryhappy camper here!

No IR.
Great input speeds
fabulous blacks.
(4th HDMI was helpful)

generally, I'm over the moon happy with this beast of a set.

Normal buzzing, nothing overpowering for any of you who are on the fence and looking to pull the trigger. I haven't had any problems with mine at all.
post #2797 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Thanks! The Magnolia delivery guys put the stand on - I just checked the screw heads and they're clean so no damage done. Also, I did catch the leaning issue in the thread and checked for that while they were here.
I just now checked the screen glass with a flashlight (thanks for the tip) - it all looks good. Also, I can only hear buzzing when I put my head right next to the left side of the screen.
I'm watching some programming/Blu-Ray's in THX-Cinema (the picture is beautiful) and then running the prep slides when I'm not watching TV (I'm working from home this week so that's easy to do.) Figured running the slides couldn't hurt re the inverse-aging thing. Also the slides let me get a good, naked look at the screen. No stripes or horizontal bands or colored smudges. I see a little DSE but that's normal I think? (None on the blue, faint on the red, strongest on the green and grey slides.)
My last TV was a 5 yo 50" Panasonic plasma. This 65" is only 2 pounds heavier, much thinner and put's off less heat. Besides the pq being better overall (understatement of course), I'm really surprised by how much brighter the screen is.
Question: My TV is on an antique buffet/sideboard so it's higher than the average TV stand. I'm noticing that there is a bit of a viewing angle restriction vertically - can I tilt the TV forward slightly without causing any problems? Thinking I could put something under the back side of stand to raise it a little? (Or maybe I should cut a wedge to fit under the stand instead?)
As someone who didn't discover the forums until after I bought my first HT setup I really appreciate the contributors here.

It would be much safer to use a non-swivel wall mount that allows the TV to be tilted downward.
post #2798 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

It would be much safer to use a non-swivel wall mount that allows the TV to be tilted downward.

Unfortunately wall mounting is not an option (TV in front of curtained window).

Are there any 3rd party TV stands I could use in this situation? (Maybe the TV would attach via the wall-mounts?) A table top stand would be ideal, but I might be able to make a floor stand work ...

The TV's pq is great - another GT50 happy camper ; )
post #2799 of 9713
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Originally Posted by melio111 View Post


Honestly i can't really say if the picture has improved over time or the blacks look better but just know the picture is fantastic. I am really impressed with the 3d.
The only downside is I find myself buying movies in 3d that I really didn't enjoy in the theaters but actually enjoy watching at home in 3d. The downside is the money being spent...lol Example would be Green Hornet or Wrath of Titans. Didn't really care for them in the cinema but find myself actually enjoying them at home.
Blurays look beautiful on this thing.

I watched Wrath of the titans 3D last week, my first 3D experience at home and I was pleasantly impressed. I had seen passive 3D and Active 3D at Best Buy and Active 3D, kind of gave me a headache watching it and passive didn't. But 3D was not why I bought this TV, it was for the picture quality. 3D was a bonus. Anyways i watched the whole movie and didn't experience any dizziness or headaches. It was pretty COOL. I still haven't played with 3D settings but I noticed the closer I sat there was more 3D pop. Very Happy with 3D performance as well.
post #2800 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

I watched Wrath of the titans 3D last week, my first 3D experience at home and I was pleasantly impressed. I had seen passive 3D and Active 3D at Best Buy and Active 3D, kind of gave me a headache watching it and passive didn't. But 3D was not why I bought this TV, it was for the picture quality. 3D was a bonus. Anyways i watched the whole movie and didn't experience any dizziness or headaches. It was pretty COOL. I still haven't played with 3D settings but I noticed the closer I sat there was more 3D pop. Very Happy with 3D performance as well.

Yes I too find moving closer to the screen is best with 3D titles.
I believe Wrath of the Titans was a movie that was converted after filming to 3D, so check out a true 3D movie like Avatar too. smile.gif
post #2801 of 9713
Has anyone been running their HD cable through an upconverting (1080p) receiver before it gets to the tv?

Has it improved PQ over running cable directly to the GT50? And to what degree?

I would be interested to hear about any results from ALL that have tryed this, and what equiptment is being used.
Edited by wattheF - 7/20/12 at 9:13am
post #2802 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Unfortunately wall mounting is not an option (TV in front of curtained window).
Are there any 3rd party TV stands I could use in this situation? (Maybe the TV would attach via the wall-mounts?) A table top stand would be ideal, but I might be able to make a floor stand work ...
The TV's pq is great - another GT50 happy camper ; )

Found something that should do the trick - but it adds an extra 90 lbs - yikes. Have to check how much weight my console can handle.

http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-inch-WPSMS20CH-Plasma-Stand/dp/B000HS1ODM/ref=sr_1_136?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342763247&sr=1-136&keywords=TV+stand+tabletop
post #2803 of 9713
That is the shipping weight; actual weight 49 lbs. http://www.standsandmounts.com/hwilsoncommercialtabletoppedestal-wpsms20ch.aspx Also you will lose the weight of the base that Panasonic included.

But still a lot of money.
post #2804 of 9713
Is it possible the buzzing sounds that many complain about are induced by the electrical feed? That would not be unusual, as audiophiles will tell you. I also understand that certain fluorescent lights can induce hums and buzzing in TVs, so if you have any of those nearby have you tried turning them off? As for reducing noise from your electric source, my now dated Panasonic plasma came with an assortment of ferrite magnet devices to put on power lines and source lines to reduce electrical noise. Does Panasonic still provide those? If not you can buy them separately at Radio Shack, but you might have to experiment with different sizes to get one that works best. You could also try a balanced transformer power conditioner but they are a little pricey.
post #2805 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Has anyone been running their HD cable through an upconverting (1080p) receiver before it gets to the tv?
Has it improved PQ over running cable directly to the GT50? And to what degree?

I would be interested to hear about any results from ALL that have tryed this, and what equiptment is being used.

I have a Pioneer VSX-1121-K AVR and a Motorola DCX3501M cable box. The cable box can upconvert to 1080p. I've tried it various ways, and it's really pretty close. I think the best picture by a hair is allowing the DCX cable box to upconvert to 1080p and then just passing through the AVR in pure mode (no video upconverting). My theory is that the 1080i channels will be upconverted to 1080p in any scenario, but the 720p channels will go through one more conversion step if feeding 1080i from the cable box and allowing the AVR to upconvert. For example, the cable box would convert from 720p to 1080i and then the AVR would convert to 1080p. Maybe my theory is all wet, but this seems to work best for me. Actually, I think the best PQ might be achieved by passing 720p/1080i native from the cable box through the AVR in pure mode and allow the TV to upconvert, but I don't like the delay when switching channels.
post #2806 of 9713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

Is it possible the buzzing sounds that many complain about are induced by the electrical feed? That would not be unusual, as audiophiles will tell you. I also understand that certain fluorescent lights can induce hums and buzzing in TVs, so if you have any of those nearby have you tried turning them off? As for reducing noise from your electric source, my now dated Panasonic plasma came with an assortment of ferrite magnet devices to put on power lines and source lines to reduce electrical noise. Does Panasonic still provide those? If not you can buy them separately at Radio Shack, but you might have to experiment with different sizes to get one that works best. You could also try a balanced transformer power conditioner but they are a little pricey.

TV buzzing is always caused by a defect in the TV's power supply, video boards, or the panel itself. It is not caused by problems in a home's electrical circuits or flourescent lighting. Many people here have listened to bad advice over the years and tried power conditioners on their buzzing TVs and i can't remember a single instance of it fixing their buzzing. Ferrite cores do virtually nothing to reduce so-called "electrical noise" since there's really no such thing as electrical noise. The power supply on a TV is all that's needed to regulate the voltage being fed to the the TV's internal circuitry.
post #2807 of 9713
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Originally Posted by rmallen View Post

I have a Pioneer VSX-1121-K AVR and a Motorola DCX3501M cable box. The cable box can upconvert to 1080p. I've tried it various ways, and it's really pretty close. I think the best picture by a hair is allowing the DCX cable box to upconvert to 1080p and then just passing through the AVR in pure mode (no video upconverting). My theory is that the 1080i channels will be upconverted to 1080p in any scenario, but the 720p channels will go through one more conversion step if feeding 1080i from the cable box and allowing the AVR to upconvert. For example, the cable box would convert from 720p to 1080i and then the AVR would convert to 1080p. Maybe my theory is all wet, but this seems to work best for me. Actually, I think the best PQ might be achieved by passing 720p/1080i native from the cable box through the AVR in pure mode and allow the TV to upconvert, but I don't like the delay when switching channels.

Thanks, So it sounds like the upconverting receiver does not improve PQ in your opinion.

I am trying to figure out if I want to invest in a new system. If improved PQ was one of thr upgrades along with sound I think i would spend the money on a good receiver.

Has anyone else tryed experimenting with upconverting receivers?
post #2808 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Has anyone been running their HD cable through an upconverting (1080p) receiver before it gets to the tv?
Has it improved PQ over running cable directly to the GT50? And to what degree?

I would be interested to hear about any results from ALL that have tryed this, and what equiptment is being used.


I have an Onkyo HT-R360 that upconverts all signals to 1080p and is 4k future proof as well. I have played with it and there is definitely a difference in picture quality specially in HD channels. The picture does get crisper and colors pop more, kind off like the pop an LCD shows. For Cable I like to use it but for watching movies and Bluray definitely not, as the best PICTURE is 1080p direct mode. SD channels are slightly improved, not much of a difference. Hope that helps anyone. I have my eye on this new device that I'm going to purchase as soon it's available that definitely makes a big difference from reviews I've read but that's another story.biggrin.gif
post #2809 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

...and colors pop more, kind off like the pop an LCD shows...

I don't care at all for "color pop"....that's unrealistic. In reality, colors do NOT pop. I prefer my colors muted -- much like they are for the most part in "real life"...
post #2810 of 9713
What WattheF is looking for is an avr that will clean up the signal- upscaling not upconverting.
post #2811 of 9713
Hi Guys,

I've tried to search the forum and this thread but couldn't come up with something about my problem though if it has been answered before sorry in advance:

When watching mkv with srt subtitle file in the same folder the subtitle font is so small and tiny - its just maybe %50 bigger than the panasonic brand logo in front of the tv...

Is there any way to change the font size and the place (move downwards to the black bars) ?

Thanks in advance
post #2812 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

TV buzzing is always caused by a defect in the TV's power supply, video boards, or the panel itself. It is not caused by problems in a home's electrical circuits or flourescent lighting. Many people here have listened to bad advice over the years and tried power conditioners on their buzzing TVs and i can't remember a single instance of it fixing their buzzing. Ferrite cores do virtually nothing to reduce so-called "electrical noise" since there's really no such thing as electrical noise. The power supply on a TV is all that's needed to regulate the voltage being fed to the the TV's internal circuitry.

I'm now on my 3rd 50 series (2 55" STs, now a 55" GT). All have had exactly the same buzz. It varies directly with brightness output and is only noticeable when audio volume is low (especially during quiet scenes).

While perhaps the buzz is muted a bit when the set is wall mounted (mine is not), it's getting hard for me to believe that indeed this is not a common feature/fault. It has also been noted in professional reviews including flatpanelshd.

Great picture quality (and inconvenience) are keeping me from yet another return...

Not sure if it's worth calling technical support, as my experience with local "techs" in the past has been less than impressive.
post #2813 of 9713
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Originally Posted by TheGloucesterman View Post

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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

TV buzzing is always caused by a defect in the TV's power supply, video boards, or the panel itself. It is not caused by problems in a home's electrical circuits or flourescent lighting. Many people here have listened to bad advice over the years and tried power conditioners on their buzzing TVs and i can't remember a single instance of it fixing their buzzing. Ferrite cores do virtually nothing to reduce so-called "electrical noise" since there's really no such thing as electrical noise. The power supply on a TV is all that's needed to regulate the voltage being fed to the the TV's internal circuitry.

I'm now on my 3rd 50 series (2 55" STs, now a 55" GT). All have had exactly the same buzz. It varies directly with brightness output and is only noticeable when audio volume is low (especially during quiet scenes).

While perhaps the buzz is muted a bit when the set is wall mounted (mine is not), it's getting hard for me to believe that indeed this is not a common feature/fault. It has also been noted in professional reviews including flatpanelshd.

Great picture quality (and inconvenience) are keeping me from yet another return...

Not sure if it's worth calling technical support, as my experience with local "techs" in the past has been less than impressive.

If you have good hearing then this issue will be a major turn off and in my case was a deal breaker in the end. I'm totally aware and familiar with plasma buzz. I've owned a number of Panasonic plasmas in the past (the last two were the G15 and PZ77) and I only ever heard them buzzing when within 3 feet away and never while watching content from normal seating distance.

I work shift work and I watch TV sometimes very late at night or very early in the morning and I couldn't deal with my 60GT50 buzzing. I went through 2 exchanges and they all buzzed the same. Called tech support and I was told to just keep on exchanging the set which I just didn't have time for and instead requested a tech to come out. When they did, they deemed it normal even though he said that the buzzing was on the loud side and to get the set exchanged. Wish they had replaced the power board but they didn't. I wrote a long letter to Panasonic Canada about this because it's really a shame. I absolutely loved the 60GT50 and I really tried to live with the buzzing but it always reared it's head when watching bright content at quiet times (even from 12-15 ft away). I've now returned them and I've decided to get a full array LED instead which will cost me an arm and a leg, not to mention they have their own laundry list of drawbacks but at least I won't have to deal with the buzzing anymore. cool.gif
post #2814 of 9713
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Originally Posted by TheGloucesterman View Post

... it's getting hard for me to believe that indeed this is not a common feature/fault. ....

Believe it not, there are quite sets. I know first hand. I have one and have read numerous posts here where the buzz can only be heard from the left side of the set in a dead quite room from behind the set or a few inches away. Within the last week I know I saw someone specifically point out how quiet his set is. It has been this way for as long as I have followed this thread.

I can't tell you why Panasonic hasen't tightened up noise tolerance limits on their power supply providers and eliminate this issue from all the sets. I can only speculate that it is relates to cost.

I can't imagine that swapping sets from the same store that probably have the same stock from the same regional distribution center that came from the same shipment at the same time from the same assembly line with the same set of components will work any differently. This certainly shouldn't be necessary, but have you tried a set from (at least) a different store in another state. Switching from say Best Buy to Amazon or vice-versa.

Not all parts are created equally in the electronics industry. Parts and assemblies can meet specifications but have different performance properties. I followed a Samsung LCD's thread in which it was eventually found that sets with panels that had been produced directly by Samsung were top-notch whereas sets with panels that had been outsourced to China and passed all Samsung's specs did not look nearly as good.

Its not a matter of quality control if the TV functions within its specified tolerances. Its a matter where the tolerance limits need to raised or defined.
post #2815 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Believe it not, there are quite sets. I know first hand. I have one and have read numerous posts here where the buzz can only be heard from the left side of the set in a dead quite room from behind the set or a few inches away. Within the last week I know I saw someone specifically point out how quiet his set is. It has been this way for as long as I have followed this thread.
I can't tell you why Panasonic hasen't tightened up noise tolerance limits on their power supply providers and eliminate this issue from all the sets. I can only speculate that it is relates to cost.
I can't imagine that swapping sets from the same store that probably have the same stock from the same regional distribution center that came from the same shipment at the same time from the same assembly line with the same set of components will work any differently. This certainly shouldn't be necessary, but have you tried a set from (at least) a different store in another state. Switching from say Best Buy to Amazon or vice-versa.
Not all parts are created equally in the electronics industry. Parts and assemblies can meet specifications but have different performance properties. I followed a Samsung LCD's thread in which it was eventually found that sets with panels that had been produced directly by Samsung were top-notch whereas sets with panels that had been outsourced to China and passed all Samsung's specs did not look nearly as good.
Its not a matter of quality control if the TV functions within its specified tolerances. Its a matter where the tolerance limits need to raised or defined.

I bought my 50GT50 and I hear no buzz but my hearing is not that good. My wife hears well so with a bright screen on the TV I just asked her to check. From the back she can hear a buzz; from the front she hears a buzz only when her ear is an inch or so from the scree.

I bought mine from Amazon and I do have a problem: my HDMI4 port does not work. The authorized repairer came out, verified that it did not work (not because I had turned it off via a menu), and said he'd have to take it to the shop to change a board. After having read many messages about buzzing, and having a sample without buzzing, I decided to not have the repair done nor to have my TV replaced (I am using only two HDMI ports). Perhaps it may pay to buy it from Amazon. I note they lowered the price of the 50GT50 from $1499 to $1399. The price was $1399 when I ordered mine but was reduced by $50 within 14 days of my purchase. I got a $50 refund after filling out an online form at Amazon.
post #2816 of 9713
I have owned 55GT50, 55VT50 & 60GT50 and all are silent from 12 inches and I'm being very generous. The 60GT50 buzzed for minute after first turning it on and has been silent since.

BTW, all three purchased through Amazon and each exchange was relatively painless- Pilot required that I pack it for return.
post #2817 of 9713
My set does buzz slightly when the screen is bright. It seems that it actually got worse as it aged. It is only noticeable from my couch (9-10') when i am watching late at night with the volume down really low. I would never think about complaining about it though especially coming from an E8000 that had a very loud directional buzz that was noticeable even with the volume up pretty loud.

I guess everyone has a different opinion on what is within a "tolerable range".
post #2818 of 9713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

My set does buzz slightly when the screen is bright. It seems that it actually got worse as it aged. It is only noticeable from my couch (9-10') when i am watching late at night with the volume down really low. I would never think about complaining about it though especially coming from an E8000 that had a very loud directional buzz that was noticeable even with the volume up pretty loud.
I guess everyone has a different opinion on what is within a "tolerable range".

When i watch my GT50 in the still silence of morning before sunrise i can't hear any buzzing at two feet, much less 9 feet. You shouldn't be able to hear any TV buzz at 9 feet. That would be completely intolerable to me.
post #2819 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

... From the back she can hear a buzz; from the front she hears a buzz only when her ear is an inch or so from the screen. ...

Same here on my 65" GT50 - on bright slides it's louder from the back and can only be heard from a couple inches in the front. If the buzzing can be heard 9 feet away I'd probably try to return the TV.

FWIW, my last plasma did have a considerably louder buzz. The buzz on that TV, like on my GT50, was very localized so I put 12" square of acoustic foam on the wall behind it and the problem was solved (guessing the buzz sound was reflecting off the wall). The foam was close to the same color as the wall, and behind the TV, so no one ever noticed it.
post #2820 of 9713
The buzzing is definitely a problem for me and my 60". Easily pick it out at 10ft.
Unfortunately its a special order model and isn't in common supply in my country. The next batch of stock isn't due till August 24th and from what I gather, they are all spoken for.

If I get a tech around to look at it, is there anything they can possibly do? It sounds like its the panel itself, so I think the likelyhood of a simple component switchout is slim...
Its the only thing killing my enjoyment of an otherwise excellent set.
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