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post #3031 of 9717
I just noticed a small flaw in the glass of my 65" GT50 that I got from Amazon. It looks like a little dimple in the glass that I can see when looking closely with the TV off, it's on the inside surface.

With the TV on, I can see a little dot from 3 feet and closer but beyond that and at the normal viewing distance, it's not seen. Sorta like a dead pixel, but it's actually an imperfection in the inside of the glass rather than in a pixel itself. (I've studied it very closely with a flashlight).

Should I exchange the TV for another one?

I think I run the risk of getting a new one that is even worse or has other issues like actual dead pixels.

I have no dead pixels now, just this little flaw in the glass.

What are people's thoughts on this?
post #3032 of 9717
My 65 just delivered!!!! I will be unboxing at 430, since I cant do now..lol Any suggestions on how to start? Are the break in slides necessary? This is my first plasma si I am a newbie!
post #3033 of 9717
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

My 65 just delivered!!!! I will be unboxing at 430, since I cant do now..lol Any suggestions on how to start? Are the break in slides necessary? This is my first plasma si I am a newbie!

ENJOY! I get mine on Tuesday.

As info I found this post very useful. It is from an ISF technician name Doug K posting in another forum.

"While I do not wish to start a firestorm here I feel the time has come to point out that there are a few urban legends out there regarding the need to "age the phosphors" on your new plasma panel.
Not one manufacturer/or their engineers, recommend any "procedure" to speed up the aging process.

While they do recommend using less than full throttle with regards to light output, there is no need to spend hours running the display running "slides" of different hues.
If you are the owner of a new plasma, turn down the contrast/picture to a point where the the display is capable of rendering a nice but not overly bright image in a semi darkened room. It would be a good idea at this point to also set the black levels at this time.

Watch a variety of programming. If you are only going to game with the display, you might consider an LCD unit as these will have brighter output of light. Their downside is their inability to get very dark, but the times are changing and even modest led lit lcd's can plumb astonishing black levels today. Still, plasma for the most part can go darker in real world situations and are preferred by those seeking a theater quality experience.

Also regarding plasma models, you will notice many have "screen saver" protocols that automatically inhibit long term static images by wiping the image or scrolling after just a few minutes. These built in systems are perfect for the elimination of any slight image retention from tickers or station bugs. The upside is you get some tunes from any of a half dozen apps while the display is taking care of itself.
In conclusion, some empirical data from my own testing.

I bought two panels from a manufacturer just about two years ago. One got the slide protocol, the other was used normally right from the box. Both displays were calibrated to ISF/smpte standards and I realize this might cause some eyebrows to furl. The calibration to d65 did not affect the test IMO, but the accurately set up black and white levels may have. Since calibration of the black/white levels can be done by anyone with a DVD player, the assumption could be made that it should be done if possible.

The results from current Calibrations and measurements show no appreciable difference from baseline data gathered when new. Even the color points rgbycm have not diminished in intensity after two thousand + hours on both displays.

Since the displays in question are of a popular make I have also calibrated dozens of like machines in the field, some of which had been slided. Those that the owners had said they had "broken-in" their tv's still measured very nearly the same as my own units.

Enjoy your new plasma right from the beginning. Turn it down a bit and again, vary the viewing.

Doug k"
post #3034 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

I just noticed a small flaw in the glass of my 65" GT50 that I got from Amazon. It looks like a little dimple in the glass that I can see when looking closely with the TV off, it's on the inside surface.
With the TV on, I can see a little dot from 3 feet and closer but beyond that and at the normal viewing distance, it's not seen. Sorta like a dead pixel, but it's actually an imperfection in the inside of the glass rather than in a pixel itself. (I've studied it very closely with a flashlight).
Should I exchange the TV for another one?
I think I run the risk of getting a new one that is even worse or has other issues like actual dead pixels.
I have no dead pixels now, just this little flaw in the glass.
What are people's thoughts on this?

After all of the comments about buzzing, I would keep the TV you have. That was why I kept mine even though HDMI4 doesn't work.
post #3035 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

After all of the comments about buzzing, I would keep the TV you have. That was why I kept mine even though HDMI4 doesn't work.

Oh mine definitley buzzes as well.

I was tempted to exhange for a VT50 and pay like $800 but then read that those can buzz too and can have loud fan noise. Also they are not capable of going as bright so I nixed that.

Should I exchange my GT50 for another one?
post #3036 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

I just noticed a small flaw in the glass of my 65" GT50 that I got from Amazon. It looks like a little dimple in the glass that I can see when looking closely with the TV off, it's on the inside surface.
With the TV on, I can see a little dot from 3 feet and closer but beyond that and at the normal viewing distance, it's not seen. Sorta like a dead pixel, but it's actually an imperfection in the inside of the glass rather than in a pixel itself. (I've studied it very closely with a flashlight).
Should I exchange the TV for another one?
I think I run the risk of getting a new one that is even worse or has other issues like actual dead pixels.
I have no dead pixels now, just this little flaw in the glass.
What are people's thoughts on this?

My 55GT50 was just delivered 2 days ago from Amazon. The glass seems to have may little ripples on it's surface. I like that because it breaks up the light reflecting off the glass. It seems to be a feature, not a defect. Is that what you're describing?
post #3037 of 9717
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

... Any suggestions on how to start? ... !

1. Remove from box
2. Attach stand or wall mount
3. Plug in, turn on, set to THX Cinema mode
4. Open bottle of Merlot or IPA and watch olympics biggrin.gif

When you get a chance, dial the CNet settings into the Custom Mode and your done.
post #3038 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Oh mine definitley buzzes as well.

I was tempted to exhange for a VT50 and pay like $800 but then read that those can buzz too and can have loud fan noise. Also they are not capable of going as bright so I nixed that.
Should I exchange my GT50 for another one?

A defect in the center of the screen will bother you for as long as you own the set. If it also has loud buzzing, it should already be back in the box eek.gif
post #3039 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Tazishere View Post

My 55GT50 was just delivered 2 days ago from Amazon. The glass seems to have may little ripples on it's surface. I like that because it breaks up the light reflecting off the glass. It seems to be a feature, not a defect. Is that what you're describing?

No, that's normal. This is actually a little mark inside the screen glass.

I called Amazon for a replacement. A hassle for me but I guess I have nothing to lose and I do know that mark would probably bother me.
post #3040 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Tazishere View Post

My 55GT50 was just delivered 2 days ago from Amazon. The glass seems to have may little ripples on it's surface. I like that because it breaks up the light reflecting off the glass. It seems to be a feature, not a defect. Is that what you're describing?

My screen surface is smooth and glossy. If you look very carefully at a low angle glancing reflection you can see some very minor surface irregularities on the glass surface but no ripples. If the ripples don't create a visible distortion in the image then I wouldn't worry about it either.
post #3041 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

1. Remove from box
2. Attach stand or wall mount
3. Plug in, turn on, set to THX Cinema mode
4. Open bottle of Merlot or IPA and watch olympics biggrin.gif
When you get a chance, dial the CNet settings into the Custom Mode and your done.

Now this is what I call really good advice. It should be a sticky. But what would we then talk about tongue.gif
post #3042 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

There is no question that this TV is, bar none, the absolute worse I have owned or viewed when it comes to handling lesser quality source material - it seems to either have zero noise / compression artificact reduction or may even be amplifying such artificacts in some way.
I am not sure what some are referring to as sharpness but for Blu-ray and high quality source material this TV has as high of resolution as any TV I have viewed and is even better than my KURO was in this respect. The PQ for such material and for high quality DVDs, etc. is absolutely stunning.
Has anyone tried the Lumagen Radicance mini3Di Video Processor? This is alledged to be one of the best.. I am not suggesting it for de-interlacing but rather for noise reduction.... If anyone has wtih this TV, I would be interested in their opinion...
These TVs are streeting for less than half the price the KUROs were so even with a $1000 or so video processor ( assuming you really need to watch some of the poorer quality cable/satellite stations ) this TV is still a bargain in my opinion.
Or if you are like me and can tolerate watching crap from time to time ( when watching some news broadcasts, etc. ) in order to continue to get blown away from Blu Ray and the better cable/sattellite stations ( which arguably these are the best TVs ever for such content ), then you have the "steal" of the decade.


I hear ya.......my 60" GT50 will be here on Monday and I'm already worried I made the wrong decision.
Is there any pro reviews out there that have tested this tv with standard cable boxes and give it a thumbs down for pq?
post #3043 of 9717
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Originally Posted by CAGE RATTLER View Post

I hear ya.......my 60" GT50 will be here on Monday and I'm already worried I made the wrong decision.
Is there any pro reviews out there that have tested this tv with standard cable boxes and give it a thumbs down for pq?

I have a DVR cable box from Cablevision and the PQ is excellent most of the time. The only time it isn't is when the source is not good, such as my local traffic and weather report. But I rarely watch a channel that is not HD.
post #3044 of 9717
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Originally Posted by CAGE RATTLER View Post

I hear ya.......my 60" GT50 will be here on Monday and I'm already worried I made the wrong decision.
Is there any pro reviews out there that have tested this tv with standard cable boxes and give it a thumbs down for pq?

I myself would love to know this as well ... I am on the regular cable TiVo box recording mainly primetime shows and sports and my Comcast is basic 720P at best .... looks great on my Vizio 55" XVT right now but not sure how it would look on this tv being 10 inches bigger and after reading the earlier comment about how horrible this tv is at rendering lesser quality source material.

I am holding off till I can get some more info on this.
post #3045 of 9717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

I myself would love to know this as well ... I am on the regular cable TiVo box recording mainly primetime shows and sports and my Comcast is basic 720P at best .... looks great on my Vizio 55" XVT right now but not sure how it would look on this tv being 10 inches bigger and after reading the earlier comment about how horrible this tv is at rendering lesser quality source material.
I am holding off till I can get some more info on this.

Are you saying your comcast subscription only has SD and 720p channels not 1080i? I'm sure if you get 720p HD you must get 1080i HD as well. This TV performs extremely well for HD channels and even better for 1080p. SD channels are SD channels - Crap in- crap out. They are acceptable to view but these days WHO still watches SD channels. If people can afford this TV, I'm sure they can afford HD cable and a Bluray player.
post #3046 of 9717
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Originally Posted by chadsdsmith View Post

I have found that my 65" looks great on everything 1080, but have noticed a bit of softness on 720 channels. They are so few and far between that it doesn't really bother me. As I mentioned earlier, the larger screen size will always make a lower resolution source look worse than on a smaller tv.
Also, I have noticed, during the break in slides, that the screen does a quick flash on all white screens, which I am assuming is the brightness pop issue some have spoke of while watchng hockey. I have yet to see it during regular viewing, though I don't watch hockey (seasons over anyways, right) so I can't comment on that. If its only in extreme cases like hockey, I don't think it will ever be a factor for me.

It is never noticeable with any normal veiwing content. Even hockey looks great. No Fbr or pops at all.
post #3047 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Are you saying your comcast subscription only has SD and 720p channels not 1080i? I'm sure if you get 720p HD you must get 1080i HD as well. This TV performs extremely well for HD channels and even better for 1080p. SD channels are SD channels - Crap in- crap out. They are acceptable to view but these days WHO still watches SD channels. If people can afford this TV, I'm sure they can afford HD cable and a Bluray player.

I agree. If it's not HD, I ain't watchin!
post #3048 of 9717
So I've owned a 50PX77U since 2007 (720P only http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-viera-th-50px77u/4505-6482_7-32317316.html), and just think the world of it. I am planning on buying a 65GT soon, but some of these posts about IR have me worried. I've definitely had IR with this model, but it goes away within 5 seconds of viewing different content. I've literally left a pause screen on a video game on for 12 hours, came back and saw IR, switched the source and it was gone in seconds. Do I really have more to worry about in a plasma 5 years newer, or are people exaggerating these claims? I'm accustomed to my current plasma, but I have a hard time believing the tech has taken a step back in the last 5 years....
post #3049 of 9717
Thanks LUDERSVEN for the repost of all the info about slides vs. no slides. I received my 65GT50 yesterday. Some of the family was over and I was so excited I had all sorts of stuff on for about 6 hours and completely forgot about the so-called "break-in" period. Then, today, I remembered and was scared to turn the TV on again. Your post was timely for me. The only problem is I don't like the THX settings. I like my picture much brighter and even the new THX Brightroom (on my set) is rather dull and dark (and my room is not THAT bright). On my 54G20 I was using a CUSTOM setting but on this TV I quickly discovered that the STANDARD (with a few tweaks to the brightness/contrast) made it much brighter and a better picture.

On my 54G20 I had the TV on from 6 AM to 10 PM every day, and like I said, I gravitate towards the brighter settings and never have I seen IR or anything like that. No buzzing either which was heavily discussed back then, as now. On my new 65GT50 there is NO BUZZING and I have dog ears, believe me. I will closely watch for IR and hope it's as good as the 54G20. I did make one change though. I also have a 46" LED TV in my large room and mostly use THAT ONE during the day. I'm saving the new large Panaonsic for mostly blu-ray movies and other HD programming and/or evening viewing. I don't plan to run it 12-14 hours a day, well maybe "sometimes, naw smile.gifsmile.gif

So far, I've not seen poor quality, even on Standard Definition, which is strange for a TV this large. I don't know if this makes a difference but I have Direct TV. I believe both of my Panasonic plasmas seem to handle SD or 720p better than other TV's I've had. Of course, I mostly watch HD programming.

I've only had this TV for a little over 24 hours and I'm still evaluating some stuff. I'm very torn because I have an older Sony 52XBR4 which I think I'd have to admit gets the very best picture of any TV I've ever had. I don't know what it is about that picture but most LEDs now don't have that kind of quality. Then, I have my 54G20 and 65GT50 plugged into the same Direct TV receiver which is feeding both sets and I'm evaluating the differences. The very first thing I noticed when side by side is that on the 54G20 I could see more clearly in the shaded areas whereas the 65GT50 looks somewhat washed out or smokey or not as clear, whatever you would call it. The other thing is that while watching Fox News, one guy had a suit with pinstripes which showed up very clearly. On the 65GT50 I could see them, but not very clearly. I've tried different Brightness and Contrast settings and could not get it to match the G20. Suggestions?

OK, I'm still fiddling around and will post my thoughts later.
post #3050 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Are you saying your comcast subscription only has SD and 720p channels not 1080i? I'm sure if you get 720p HD you must get 1080i HD as well. This TV performs extremely well for HD channels and even better for 1080p. SD channels are SD channels - Crap in- crap out. They are acceptable to view but these days WHO still watches SD channels. If people can afford this TV, I'm sure they can afford HD cable and a Bluray player.

Well I have the HD package and I use a TiVo Premiere HD box with the service ... I deleted all the SD channels so nothing is ever watched unless it's in HD.

But I have been told that Comcast Xfinity cable service only runs there HD feed in 720P max on some channels and less on others ... plus I heard that they compress there signal a lot which sometimes makes for a bad source.

Now on my 55" Vizio XVT (full Array LED) everything looks Great! I don;t have problem with most channels and sports looks perfect ... but on the 70 Sharp 847 I bought it all looked horrible.

I had just seen a previous members post about how bad he thinks this TV looks on lesser quality sources ... maybe he is talking about and SD feed as compared to an HD feed.

Just want to cover all my bases before I pull the trigger on this ... I would hate for this to turn out like the 70" Sharp LED I just returned yesterday .... I got my hopes up for a nice picture since its almost 3 years newer then my Vizio and I figured would look better ... Wrong .... Horrible picture on that set, but many reviews say it looks pretty good. I did every setting possible and the picture was pretty rough and the main issue was the Ghosting / Halo effect around the players and other objects during sports.

How well does this TV do with Ghosting and the Halo effect on sports? That is the BIG kicker for me. Like a fluid football game without all that crappy halo effect around the players and other stuff throughout the game.

Thanks for all the info guys. smile.gif
post #3051 of 9717
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Originally Posted by janice805 View Post

Thanks LUDERSVEN for the repost of all the info about slides vs. no slides. I received my 65GT50 yesterday. Some of the family was over and I was so excited I had all sorts of stuff on for about 6 hours and completely forgot about the so-called "break-in" period. Then, today, I remembered and was scared to turn the TV on again. Your post was timely for me. The only problem is I don't like the THX settings. I like my picture much brighter and even the new THX Brightroom (on my set) is rather dull and dark (and my room is not THAT bright). On my 54G20 I was using a CUSTOM setting but on this TV I quickly discovered that the STANDARD (with a few tweaks to the brightness/contrast) made it much brighter and a better picture.
On my 54G20 I had the TV on from 6 AM to 10 PM every day, and like I said, I gravitate towards the brighter settings and never have I seen IR or anything like that. No buzzing either which was heavily discussed back then, as now. On my new 65GT50 there is NO BUZZING and I have dog ears, believe me. I will closely watch for IR and hope it's as good as the 54G20. I did make one change though. I also have a 46" LED TV in my large room and mostly use THAT ONE during the day. I'm saving the new large Panaonsic for mostly blu-ray movies and other HD programming and/or evening viewing. I don't plan to run it 12-14 hours a day, well maybe "sometimes, naw smile.gifsmile.gif
So far, I've not seen poor quality, even on Standard Definition, which is strange for a TV this large. I don't know if this makes a difference but I have Direct TV. I believe both of my Panasonic plasmas seem to handle SD or 720p better than other TV's I've had. Of course, I mostly watch HD programming.
I've only had this TV for a little over 24 hours and I'm still evaluating some stuff. I'm very torn because I have an older Sony 52XBR4 which I think I'd have to admit gets the very best picture of any TV I've ever had. I don't know what it is about that picture but most LEDs now don't have that kind of quality. Then, I have my 54G20 and 65GT50 plugged into the same Direct TV receiver which is feeding both sets and I'm evaluating the differences. The very first thing I noticed when side by side is that on the 54G20 I could see more clearly in the shaded areas whereas the 65GT50 looks somewhat washed out or smokey or not as clear, whatever you would call it. The other thing is that while watching Fox News, one guy had a suit with pinstripes which showed up very clearly. On the 65GT50 I could see them, but not very clearly. I've tried different Brightness and Contrast settings and could not get it to match the G20. Suggestions?
OK, I'm still fiddling around and will post my thoughts later.

Congrats on the new set! My brother has the 52XBR4 and I would agree that for a older LCD it still has a better picture than most new LED/LCD tv's, but honestly it can't compare to the GT50. I think you will agree as the set breaks in. You will notice the PQ improve. Especially on Bluray it is unmatched.
post #3052 of 9717
Thanks to JForge and tpollagi. I figured it out, but I'm still confused. The problem was with the THX Cinema preset. When I set Picture to Cinema, the "green storm" goes away. It's still there on THX Bright Room but less so. The most curious thing is that I set up a custom callibration matching the THX Cinema settings, and the green storm wasn't there. Very strange. I'm okay with it, since the callibration looks fine, but I wonder what's going on.
post #3053 of 9717
I know this update is a few weeks old, but I just got around to installing and am no longer able to use DLNA to stream mkv and mp4 files that worked flawlessly prior to the update. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a fix? Is it possible to uninstall the update?
post #3054 of 9717
She sure is a beauty smile.gif47a7a2f7-9064-9804.jpg


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post #3055 of 9717
Hi!
Do you know if Panasonic with this new plasmas finally managed to solve some of the problems that affilicted the st/gt/vt30 serie?
For example, my gt30 shows lots of phospor trailing, and racently It has image-retention problems.

If I buy a gt50, can I solve this problems? Or there is a chance that I can have them?

Thanx for your help, I'm trying to find out if it would be a good idea to buy a gt50 to replace my gt30.
post #3056 of 9717
Hey guys how do I post a pic on here? I'd low to post a pic of my pretty much completed setup smile.gif
post #3057 of 9717
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Originally Posted by MisoraMassacre View Post

Hi!
Do you know if Panasonic with this new plasmas finally managed to solve some of the problems that affilicted the st/gt/vt30 serie?
For example, my gt30 shows lots of phospor trailing, and racently It has image-retention problems.
If I buy a gt50, can I solve this problems? Or there is a chance that I can have them?
Thanx for your help, I'm trying to find out if it would be a good idea to buy a gt50 to replace my gt30.

I'm returning my 50GT50 to Amazon after a month due to IR issues. I won't be buying another.
post #3058 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Burned View Post

I'm returning my 50GT50 to Amazon after a month due to IR issues. I won't be buying another.

Really?
Can you give me more detalis? I wonder if you have the same problems as me...
For example, I get IR with videogames, when i open the game menu, or with the life bars, or with the ps3/xbox360 dashboards. The image remains stuck on the screen, and it takes a lot of time to go away.

Is it the same for you?
It wasn't like this when my plasma was brand new....

Maybe we just got some defective models, but truly I'm thinking about some new panasonic led... and you?
post #3059 of 9717
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

Hey guys how do I post a pic on here? I'd low to post a pic of my pretty much completed setup smile.gif

Did your local dealer finally get one in B.C. or did you take a long ferry ride?
post #3060 of 9717
So I am about 300 hours in and still love this TV but there is one problem...

I'm wondering if anyone else notices a slight discoloration or band along the right side of their screen when viewing certain content. I was viewing the slides and can easily see it. Once my camera charges I'll take some pics.

I really noticed it last night when watching the Criterion version of Videodrome. In the beginning of the movie in the apartment it is really dark. There is a fine layer of grain throughout but where this band is, I see no grain. The picture is almost darker there and it seems like you lose shadow detail.

Normally I would fault the source but as this is a Criterion release and the fact you can see a band there at other times I'm sure its the TV. I've seen this issue reported on other sites as well as was wondering how everyone's sets on here look.

For the most part under normal viewing conditions its really hard to notice but some times it can be very faint.
Edited by melio111 - 8/4/12 at 5:23pm
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