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post #3061 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Well I have the HD package and I use a TiVo Premiere HD box with the service ... I deleted all the SD channels so nothing is ever watched unless it's in HD.
But I have been told that Comcast Xfinity cable service only runs there HD feed in 720P max on some channels and less on others ... plus I heard that they compress there signal a lot which sometimes makes for a bad source.
Now on my 55" Vizio XVT (full Array LED) everything looks Great! I don;t have problem with most channels and sports looks perfect ... but on the 70 Sharp 847 I bought it all looked horrible.
I had just seen a previous members post about how bad he thinks this TV looks on lesser quality sources ... maybe he is talking about and SD feed as compared to an HD feed.
Just want to cover all my bases before I pull the trigger on this ... I would hate for this to turn out like the 70" Sharp LED I just returned yesterday .... I got my hopes up for a nice picture since its almost 3 years newer then my Vizio and I figured would look better ... Wrong .... Horrible picture on that set, but many reviews say it looks pretty good. I did every setting possible and the picture was pretty rough and the main issue was the Ghosting / Halo effect around the players and other objects during sports.
How well does this TV do with Ghosting and the Halo effect on sports? That is the BIG kicker for me. Like a fluid football game without all that crappy halo effect around the players and other stuff throughout the game.
Thanks for all the info guys. smile.gif

The GT50 will definitely look better than your Vizio. I'm blown away with the picture watching the Olympics! Sports do not have ghosting/halo effect/jutter That sucks that comcast compresses their signal so much and gets 720p max.
post #3062 of 9713
Will most problems from an ST50 carry over to the GT50? I have one problem with the ST50 and it is the "oil painting" effect I am getting when I play certain games in 720p. All games that play in 1080p look fantastic and I cannot find any "oil painting" effect in this resolution

Here is an example. I took this photo while playing SSX for the PS3



Does anyone here have a PS3 and could try out some games which have a native resolution of 720p (even the SSX demo) and tell me if they get these "oil painting" like effects and smearing?
post #3063 of 9713
Received my 55" GT50 yesterday and, while it looks amazing, the flickering is really bothering me. To the point where I feel like its causing me serious eye strain. I believe I've tried every setting under the sun including CNET's but still flickers when there are whites or whiteish, bright, colors on screen. I'm beggining to wonder if its defective. I am coming from a 5 year old 57" Mitsubishi DLP. My wife and kids even sees the flickering and she is normally not sensative to these things. Its really bad when I see the tv out of the corner of my eye.. I ordered it from Amazon and its only been on for about 20 hours now. I don't see how flickering will get any better. It reminds me of a computer monitor set to a really low refresh rate... Tried THX Cinema and THX Bright to no avail. I've also played with the CATS and Motion Smoothing setting with no luck. This happens with HD 1080p content as well as with SD content all HDMI. No power conditioners and it happens going directly to the TV or through my receiver. This happens with any resolution and any source including DirectV, PS3, XBox 360 etc..

I was sooo excited and now am starting to get bummed out. I researched this purchase for weeks and thought I was getting the best. Thinking of boxing it back up and going back to my old Mitsubishi. Should I have gone with an LCD? Is there a setting I may be missing? Any advice would be appreciated.
post #3064 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PhoenixLev View Post

Received my 55" GT50 yesterday and, while it looks amazing, the flickering is really bothering me. To the point where I feel like its causing me serious eye strain. I believe I've tried every setting under the sun including CNET's but still flickers when there are whites or whiteish, bright, colors on screen. I'm beggining to wonder if its defective. I am coming from a 5 year old 57" Mitsubishi DLP. My wife and kids even sees the flickering and she is normally not sensative to these things. Its really bad when I see the tv out of the corner of my eye.. I ordered it from Amazon and its only been on for about 20 hours now. I don't see how flickering will get any better. It reminds me of a computer monitor set to a really low refresh rate... Tried THX Cinema and THX Bright to no avail. I've also played with the CATS and Motion Smoothing setting with no luck. This happens with HD 1080p content as well as with SD content all HDMI. No power conditioners and it happens going directly to the TV or through my receiver. This happens with any resolution and any source including DirectV, PS3, XBox 360 etc..
I was sooo excited and now am starting to get bummed out. I researched this purchase for weeks and thought I was getting the best. Thinking of boxing it back up and going back to my old Mitsubishi. Should I have gone with an LCD? Is there a setting I may be missing? Any advice would be appreciated.

Shouldn't happen at all. Box it up and send it back.
post #3065 of 9713
Thanks for the reply.. I don't know.. I just read this thread and this is totally what I am experiencing:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1205718/bright-area-flickering-partially-demystified
post #3066 of 9713
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Originally Posted by MisoraMassacre View Post

Really?
Can you give me more detalis? I wonder if you have the same problems as me...
For example, I get IR with videogames, when i open the game menu, or with the life bars, or with the ps3/xbox360 dashboards. The image remains stuck on the screen, and it takes a lot of time to go away.
Is it the same for you?
It wasn't like this when my plasma was brand new....
Maybe we just got some defective models, but truly I'm thinking about some new panasonic led... and you?

That's exactly what I'm getting. I've been trying to get rid of it for about twelve days now with no luck. The default game mode settings are what I believe are to blame. It sets the contrast to 100%. Mine is going back to Amazon. I ordered a Samsung plasma to replace it. My last one of those was bought over 6 years ago, and it's still going strong. Hopefully I'll have better luck.
post #3067 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

The GT50 will definitely look better than your Vizio. I'm blown away with the picture watching the Olympics! Sports do not have ghosting/halo effect/jutter That sucks that comcast compresses their signal so much and gets 720p max.

Whats service provider do you use? And do you use it for local channels while watching the Olympics as well?

ALSO .......................

I was just at Sears looking at the VT50 and saw a setting in the "Pro Pictures Setting" menu I think was called Panel Brightness or something like that ... really helped add some extra brightness to the screen ... it was just in one of the basic menus ... is this option on the GT as well?

Thanks for the info.
post #3068 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

Did your local dealer finally get one in B.C. or did you take a long ferry ride?

lol yup I received mine on wed and it's been excellent so far smile.gif
post #3069 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Whats service provider do you use? And do you use it for local channels while watching the Olympics as well?
ALSO .......................
I was just at Sears looking at the VT50 and saw a setting in the "Pro Pictures Setting" menu I think was called Panel Brightness or something like that ... really helped add some extra brightness to the screen ... it was just in one of the basic menus ... is this option on the GT as well?
Thanks for the info.

Yes, both ST and GT has the panel brightness settings.

As info, here is the manual for the GT.

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_GT50.PDF
post #3070 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Yes, both ST and GT has the panel brightness settings.
As info, here is the manual for the GT.
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_GT50.PDF

Perfect ... thanks so much for the fast reply! smile.gif

I am getting to just saying yep pulling the trigger on this GT .... It looked SO nice on display at sears (it was VT but I'm sure it looks just as good as far as PQ).

Amazon has a great price and great customer service to boot.

Anything else I should know about this tv before I purchase it?

I just returned a 70" Sharp 847 model Edge-lit to Costco due to a rough picture bad color on my opinion and the biggest kicker of all ... Horrible Horrible Ghosting / Halo effect while watching sports! I would not have that issue this TV would I???

Thanks so much for all the feedback here guys ... this and many other threads here at AVS have be so dang informative. Excellent place for sure.
post #3071 of 9713
OK .... I have read some about it but I just read a new review on Amazon for this TV about the bad "Image Retention" (IR .. or as some would call Burn-In) so I decided to do a search here ..... WAY to many people seem to have IR issues with these Panasonic Plasma Screens frown.gif

Here is one of the main threads that has me worried .... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414908/panasonic-st50-image-retention-please-help

And THIS is almost a deal breaker review for on this GT50 now .... http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/

And all this"Break In" period with slides and junk is all I hear people saying ... I in no way will be monitoring watch and due break in periods with low settings and run slides ... I want to buy a TV and watch TV ... THATS IT!

I watch Sports Center ... ALL THE TIME! For some times hours at a time ... I am also worried about network and HD symbols in the corners but really ESPN has me VERY worried.

I watch SO much programming on ESPN and even during commercials they still have ESPN ticker at the bottom going on most of em if not all.

I read some people have seen these ESPN tickers in the Panasonic XXST50 (and GT/VT) at there local Magnolia rooms.

From what I read most people who say this doesn't happen ... don't really watch any kind of programs more than likely that have static logos ... this kind of TV is NOT for sports ... cause it's static central on sports for hours and hours at a time.

I can in no way have this as this will drive me nuts a few months down the road after my Amazon 30 return has past and I read that this issue Is Not covered by Panasonic!?!?!

So a couple months goes by and I have a ticker burned into my screen .... I would absolutely be so friggin pissed it would hurt!

Many people say "don't listen to the IR and burn-in are a thing of the past" comments cause there are TONS of people who have it.

This is the one last thing now deterring me from pulling the trigger here now.

HELP ... If this is common for these Panny screens ... what in the heck am I suppose to look at now?


EDIT: WOW .. the more I read about this and through this thread, no way I want to deal with stuff like this .... I think I may be back to the drawing board and veering away from Plasma ... I can handle something like a LED (heck I have a Vizio XVT LED that I LOVE ... but just want bigger) that has lighter blacks etc. etc. then worrying about watching a game or having it on EPSN for hours while I work around the house and end up with a faint ESPN logo in the bottom right of my screen forever! I was 24 hours away from pulling the trigger on this ... glad I read that one new review on Amazon ... cause based on my TV viewing habits, this TV and plasma in general may not be the way to go.
Edited by falconman515 - 8/6/12 at 10:39pm
post #3072 of 9713
Anyone else getting ill reading all these bad reports?

My 60GT50 wont even be here till monday morning and i'm already shopping for a replacement ... lol...and it wont be a plasma!!
The reports of IR and bad PQ on SD is just to much.

I subscribed to this thread hoping to get some good tweaks to perform on the set when it comes in but almost every other post is complaints or worries.

So Im UN-subscribing and will be back on in about a week to post my thoughts and if its going back or not.

Now I'm off to do some more research on a decent Home theater audio setup to go with a new TV that im sure to hate when it gets here. rolleyes.gif
post #3073 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post


I watch SO much programming on ESPN and even during commercials they still have ESPN ticker at the bottom going on most of em if not all.

EDIT: WOW .. the more I read about this and through this thread, no way I want to deal with stuff like this .... I think I may be back to the drawing board and veering away from Plasma ... I can handle something like a LED (heck I have a Vizio XVT LED that I LOVE ... but just want bigger) that has lighter blacks etc. etc. then worrying about watching a game or having it on EPSN for hours while I work around the house and end up with a faint ESPN logo in the bottom right of my screen forever! ..... cause based on my TV viewing habits, this TV and plasma in general may not be the way to go.
You are laboring under some miss conceptions, but your final analysis of what's best for you is exactly right. Plasma is not a good match for what you enjoy watching.

The miss conception is that the people who like plasma don't watch sports. They do, and they enjoy it. The reason they don't have to worry about IR is that they like a variety of different things, so they don't constantly have the same fixed images on their screens. I've had a plasma for almost five years, and we watch a full NFL season along with a full hockey season. We also watch ESPN and the NFL channel. We watch a lot of shinny disks with different aspect ratios which cause different black bars. We get most of our TV drama from Netflix so that cuts down on some logos. We have watched every minute of the Olympics on NBC with their very high contrast and and very bright logo.

We constantly watch different material as far as fixed images are concerned. We do not keep our TV on the same channel for hours on end to keep us company. wink.gif

We have never noticed any IR during any normal viewing. I do not use solid color slides to check for IR. A few weeks ago I tried that just to see what was going on after over four years. Nothing was going on. smile.gif

Again, you are right to avoid plasma based on what you enjoy watching. What you enjoy is were your analysis of what to buy should start. I'm sure that you can find a bigger LCD screen that you'll enjoy for several years.

Enjoy.
post #3074 of 9713
I think with some variety in a persons viewing habits IR can be soemthing most don't see ..... But like I said the Mega Bright White ESPN Logo is the one thing thats got me worried and after even further search I have seen Tons of pictures of the S/G/VT Series Pannys with tons of IR ... from network logos to Game hud burn-in to even score board burn-in!

Spending almost 3K on a TV that you have to worry after a 4 hour football game on ESPN whether the scoreboard and the logo at the bottom will be retained for some time to come is Crazy!

And people say hey run the slides and banner thing and what not all the time and your good, plus all this talk about hundreds of hours with below normal settings with low brightness and contrast until the "Break In" time has passed ... huh .... I wanna buy a tv and like I said do what it's meant for ... calibrate / tweak the settings and start enjoying your new viewing experience. No way in the world I'm gonna below par settings for a couple hundred hours with my brand new tv.

I did even more internet searching and this seems to something of a major issue ... I know many guys here have the GT Pannys since I'm posting in the official thread and will of course defend there tv's if it's not doing this but I just think what most guys watch obviously isn't things that will cause IR to bad at all.

I dunno .... this whole buying a new TV process is KILLING ME ... jyst when I think I found what I want something comes up ... went from the Sharp, to this Panny, now it look like I need to move on to something else.

Sharp 945 series rear Full-Array LED's where art thou! LOL .... I am a fan of this kind of technology (what my current Vizio XVT has) and No Friggin One makes this kind of tech. seems like anymore ... dang market wanting this 0.5" tv's and this edge-lit junk is killing some people.

Ohhh ... I wish I could just find a TV that works, looks good to great, doesn't have IR issues, doesn't have ghost/ / halo effect, and is 65" plus that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Any thoughts? Dang I was hoping this GT was gonna be the one. frown.gif
post #3075 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

... I wish I could just find a TV that works, looks good to great, doesn't have IR issues, doesn't have ghost/ / halo effect, and is 65" plus that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Any thoughts? .... frown.gif

Nope mad.gif Seriously, no current technology is going to come to close to what what you want. What you need to decide is which set of "problems" will bother you the most and move away from that technology. If fears related to ir are going to become the bane of your waking hours then don't even consider plasma. Go with LED and learn to live wth the poor viewing angle and black level. If you want plasma PQ then be prepared deal with potential plasma related issues.

Don't forget, this is NOT a life altering decission; THIS IS JUST A TV biggrin.gif

I might even suggest using what you already have and waiting a few years to see what develops. I do this all the time, and its always the best decision.
post #3076 of 9713
I just wanted to post another photo which compares the "oil-painting" effect I get on the ST50 compared to an LCD. LCD is on the left while Plasma is on the right. Again, this is only an issue for games which have a native resolution of 720p. I don't seem to notice this on the few games I have that are 1080p.



I basically want to know if this is normal. Does anyone have this issue on the GT50? Should I be returning my ST50 for another set? Possibly a GT50 if this doesn't happen on the GT50. Or is this just unfortunately normal for plasmas displaying games in 720p?
post #3077 of 9713
falconman515 I'd recommend a Sammy.
No Image Retention problems on the 2012 Samsung's.
They don't need any baby sitting or break-in slides.
Get one of the top models with the 'Pro' black panel.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Performance
post #3078 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

falconman515 I'd recommend a Sammy.
... They don't need ... break-in slides. ...

Neither do the Panasonic models wink.gif

The Panasonics only require slides IF YOU PLAN ON PLUGGING IN PUBLISHED CALIBRATION NUMBERS from D-Nice.

Otherwise SLIDES ARE AN UNNECESSARY WASTE OF TIME

After 3000 posts in this thread I still can't believe people have no idea what these slides are intended to do, how to use them, or even an idea why they exhist. Calibration is common wth ALL plasma sets, if you plan on plugging in cal #'s for the Samsung, you will need to do the same thing.
post #3079 of 9713
Hello,
The Break In Slides are preparation for Calibration, not for breaking in the panel. I have had my GT50 for 10 days now and I not viewed a single Color Slide and have not had any sort of IR at all. I did during the first 100 hours limit my source material to 1:78:1, but this did include ESPN, NBC's craptastic Olympic Coverage, and USA Network who all have Logo's.

Truth be told, I am not even sure I needed to be so conservative during the first 100 hours as since I have played hours of PS3 and XBOX 360, plenty of Black Bars below and above the picture and still have not experienced any IR. I have avoided using torch modes, but I would do the same on an LCD as it is nowhere near an accurate picture.

It seems there are those who are really concerned about IR and even Burn In with these models. In which case, why put yourself thought the stress of being concerned about what you are viewing? Life is too short to spend one's free time encumbered by such things and with an LCD there are no worries about these things. That being said, purchasing a 60GT50 has been the best TV purchase I have ever made.
Cheers,
AD
post #3080 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Neither do the Panasonic models wink.gif
The Panasonics only require slides IF YOU PLAN ON PLUGGING IN PUBLISHED CALIBRATION NUMBERS from D-Nice.
Otherwise SLIDES ARE AN UNNECESSARY WASTE OF TIME
After 3000 posts in this thread I still can't believe people have no idea what these slides are intended to do, how to use them, or even an idea why they exhist. Calibration is common wth ALL plasma sets, if you plan on plugging in cal #'s for the Samsung, you will need to do the same thing.

I know I find it funny as well, when they think YOU must use slides to prevent IR or BI, it has nothing to do with that. People get scared and paranoid when they read you can't watch movies with black bars or channels with logos or you will get IR or BI. It's all blown out of proportion in my view, I have said it before, I opened the box, hanged it on my wall and enjoyed it. NO slides, NO break in, I just used custom C-net settings because I liked the way it looked and watched it. I haven't had any problems with IR and I watch tons of sports with logos on channel, movies, game on ps3 and use my HTPC constanly surfing the net and XBMC to listen to my tunes and bluray movies. People will always mention the negatives and most are happy therefore won't post the positives more than once. But we are all here for info and helping each other, that's why I enjoy AVS.biggrin.gif
post #3081 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

OK .... And all this"Break In" period with slides and junk is all I hear people saying ... I in no way will be monitoring watch and due break in periods with low settings and run slides ... I want to buy a TV and watch TV ... THATS IT!
... .

Doing anything other than that is not needed biggrin.gif I don't know who you are listening to but I'd look for some better info. This thread has become too bloated for new followers to understand the full history of many of the discussions. Reading a few hundred posts will give you enough info to be dangerous but not nearly enough to be useful.

I took my set out of the box 2 months ago and started watching hockey or maybe basketball instantly. Drifted into baseball and now the London Games. biggrin.gif Sweet tongue.gif
post #3082 of 9713
Well I figured I wouldn't get the same feedback here since this is the thread for most people who own the Panny TV's .... I wish I could agree with comments like "I'm wrong" but I have done many searches even outside this forum and this is a HUGE issue with this set ... heck I even posted the CNET link that proved it and showed how bad it was.

SO many people say it only takes as little a minutes for the IR to set in ... but the minutes normally will go away pretty fat .... but if I am watching Monday night football on ESPN ... that white logo almost NEVER goes away (not even during commercials) and this is for for 3-4 hours plus most of the time .... I could only Imagine what kind of IR the logo will give me for weeks and not to mention the ticker itself and maybe scoreboard. I have sen many pics of this same issue now so I am not wrong and the hundreds of complaints I've read any many pictures aren't wrong either.

You should never have to worry about anything like this AT ALL ... and you should never have to buy a tv and baby it with a break in period with low underwhelming settings for weeks on end to reach a hundred or two hundred plus "Break In Period" before you can really get a great viewing experience.

I know I know, I will get many replies from the die hard Panny Plasma fans who own them but facts are facts guys ... your just lucky you don't watch the kind of programming many of us others do with logos and tickers and you have the time to break in a tv ... I myself don't and just want to buy a TV and enjoy .. and not have to worry about some logo getting burnt into my 3 thousand dollar screen forever somehow.

I want this killer PQ SO bad ... but not at this kind of risk unfortunately.
post #3083 of 9713
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Originally Posted by adb View Post

Shouldn't happen at all. Box it up and send it back.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixLev View Post

Received my 55" GT50 yesterday and, while it looks amazing, the flickering is really bothering me. ... Should I have gone with an LCD? Is there a setting I may be missing? Any advice would be appreciated.

This has been and continues to be an issue with all plasma sets. It is normal (as you described it). Some people can see it and some people can not. Its not a case where one set does it but not another one. This is a case where two people can look at the same set and one can see it the other can't.

This is exactly the same effect that CRT computer monitors have. The problem is the 60 Hz refresh rate. Most CRT monitors gave you the option to increase the refresh rate to 72 Hz or 90 Hz or whatever the display adapter would allow to get rid of this. The problem can be greatly intensified by fluorescent lighting that also "flickers" and was a problem in office areas flooded with fluorescent tubes.

Ultimately, some people's brains (me included) "operate" at a higher frequency that allows us to see fast motion light changes that "average" people can not. This is not crazy talk; its documented fact.

When you stare directly at the screen it probably looks fine in the center but maybe a little flickery at the edges if its a bright image. If you look away and only see the screen in your periferal vision, a bright screen almost appears to be flashing. This is your brain biggrin.gif Center viewed, your brain just assembles the frames into a "smooth" image. Periferal vision, your brain is sensing luminance variations. You only see this with a bright screen because the phosphors are fully charged then decay (bright then dark) whereas on a darker screen the phosphors are switching between dark and darker with little or no overall luminance change. This occurs 60x a sec. The majority of humans can not detect it. This is both a curse and a blessing for us "chosen" ones in that those that can see it often have higher IQ's and mechanical reasonig ability much like dyslexics do biggrin.gif The human brain is a a strange thing indeed.

This had me at the edge of a returning to LCD (not phosphor based, and not a pulse mode display like plasma) for a few weeks. Eventually, your brain will begin to ignore this. If I look for it, I can still see it. The big difference is that now I have to look for it to see it rather seeing it all the time. It doesn't bother me at all at this point (2 months). I was so unhappy with two new LED / LCD's that I had tried out before the plasma that I just dredded going back to LCD. I am very happy with the decission to stick with plasma.

Hope this helps out. When I asked about this two months ago no one had much to say. Its not a bad set, its a good brain. Among people who can sense the refresh flahes, some are more sensitive to it than others. If you or your family members are overly sensitive you can look for a plasma with with a higher refresh rate. I think the VT series runs at 96 Hz. There may be others and there is also LCD.
post #3084 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Well I figured I wouldn't get the same feedback here since this is the thread for most people who own the Panny TV's .... I wish I could agree with comments like "I'm wrong" but I have done many searches even outside this forum and this is a HUGE issue with this set ... heck I even posted the CNET link that proved it and showed how bad it was.
SO many people say it only takes as little a minutes for the IR to set in ... but the minutes normally will go away pretty fat .... but if I am watching Monday night football on ESPN ... that white logo almost NEVER goes away (not even during commercials) and this is for for 3-4 hours plus most of the time .... I could only Imagine what kind of IR the logo will give me for weeks and not to mention the ticker itself and maybe scoreboard. I have sen many pics of this same issue now so I am not wrong and the hundreds of complaints I've read any many pictures aren't wrong either.
You should never have to worry about anything like this AT ALL ... and you should never have to buy a tv and baby it with a break in period with low underwhelming settings for weeks on end to reach a hundred or two hundred plus "Break In Period" before you can really get a great viewing experience.
I know I know, I will get many replies from the die hard Panny Plasma fans who own them but facts are facts guys ... your just lucky you don't watch the kind of programming many of us others do with logos and tickers and you have the time to break in a tv ... I myself don't and just want to buy a TV and enjoy .. and not have to worry about some logo getting burnt into my 3 thousand dollar screen forever somehow.
I want this killer PQ SO bad ... but not at this kind of risk unfortunately.

I read the Cnet info. It suggests that you shouldn't run 8 hours of a fixed menu on a new Panasonic plasma for 8 hours and if you do, well you certainly shouldn't do it twice in the same day biggrin.gif The Samsung did much better under the first 8 hours in this uncontrolled, unqualified, and accidental situation. If it had turned out the other way, I wouldn't think less of Samsung either and I wouldn't accept this as proof that Samsung's plasmas are more prone to IR.

I have no long standing like or dislike of Panasonic tv's, I have only ever owned Mitsubishi and Samsung. Panasonic makes great rechargable shavers but I think this is the only other Panasonic device I have ever owned. I had started my recent TV buying experience with an LG and despite the rave reviews from multiple sources I found the PQ so far below acceptible that it had to go away.

The primary reason I went with Panasonic this time was because of the horrid complaints about IR and buzzing with Samsung plasmas. Maybe Samsung is trying to clean-up their reputation and maybe they have started putting out a quality product again like they did years ago.

All I can say is I did ZERO set-up and ZERO babying had ZERO "Break in Period" (whatever that may be) and I am completely satisfied with my set. If you would be happier with a Samsung then for heaven sakes what's stopping you?

Forum bias ? Wow, anyone who has read this thread for the past 2 weeks would never even consider buying a Panasonic. I'm surprised Panasonic hasn' started shuttering their factory by now biggrin.gif This thread is probably the best marketing agent for Samsung going today tongue.gif
Edited by tpollagi - 8/5/12 at 1:49pm
post #3085 of 9713
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Originally Posted by adb View Post

Shouldn't happen at all. Box it up and send it back.

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Originally Posted by melio111 View Post

Would a single 1ft strip in the middle of my display be too dim?

Melio111

Your psot was #3000 !!!! You win a prize !!!!

Somebody give him a cookie biggrin.gif
post #3086 of 9713
tpollagi,

Thanks for the reply. I have another 27 days so I'll give it another week or so. I won't be able to do more than that as it has been literally making me feel I'll. Could just all be in my "head."

I must mention that I've seen very little IR and do not have an issue with buzzing. Like others have mentioned, the 3D darkness issue is resolved at 48hz. Watched Avatar in 3D and we were all blown away. The THX settings are amazing right out of the box. However, since I kind of like the soap opera effect, I have been using the custom settings with Motion Smoothing set to low. The internet bells and whistles are very responsive. I was even able to control my PS3 via my smartphone (Android) through Viera connect.

The set certainly does generate a lot of heat on both sides.

Outside of the flashing/refresh rate issue it looks incredible and am hoping I can get used to it and/or it lessons.. Otherwise I will need to return it..
Edited by PhoenixLev - 8/5/12 at 4:34pm
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falconman515,

We have an 11 month old child and we leave our TV on Baby TV quite often while he is in the playpen or in the walker in the family room. If you know anything about this channel it is not only SD but there is a large logo on the bottom right hand corner of the screen. There are virtually no commercials on this channel so if there's anything that would cause IR it would be this horrible logo. I must say that there is absolutely no burn in whatsoever after it was left on for at least 4 hours this morning (almost strangled the wife) and 2 hours during the day yesterday (almost strangled myself). There was some IR for about an hour after this morning's session but it is completely gone now.

EDIT:
I forgot to mention that I ran the scrolling bars from the setup menu after I noted the IR from the 4 hour session this morning and after about 15 mins, viola, no Baby TV logo... I guess the scrolling bars are supposed to serve as IR erasers - they worked...
Edited by PhoenixLev - 8/5/12 at 4:44pm
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Update: Played Mass Effect (360) and NBA 2K12 (PS3) for a few hours and they both looked incredible. There was no IR from NBA 2K12's persistent score box and Mass Effect's graphics were simply out of this world even with the heavy use of lighting and shaders aboard the Normandy. Game mode is a must as these games were VERY laggy otherwise. Played IRON MAN on Blu Ray for a tad bit before watching Avatar and, aside of the flashing brights, they both looked incredible!

The Samsung SSG-4100GB 3D Active Glasses (2012 Models) work perfectly with this TV for a fraction of the cost..
Edited by PhoenixLev - 8/5/12 at 5:22pm
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So if everything I read is true about this TV .... Good and Bad .... then this issue is a hit and miss issue???

I don't want to say you guys here are wrong (though I understand you want to defend your few thousand dollar tv that you probably can't return or get fixed) and I don't want to say any of the other tons of people who have the ir issue are wrong .......... Bit Someone Is Wrong!

And Phoenix thanks for the info but the fact that a tv has preventative burn in features that have to be used if you watch a tv show for 3 hours is CRAZY!

I have seen tons of pictures thus far of peoples tv with burn-in so it is a FACT ... are they leaving it on the screen for days at a time ... who knows ... but it will happen .... and just like Phoenix stated there was a little bit this morning after a 1 hour session so it does happen but with that little of time it kind of goes away.

If you spend three thousand dollars on tv is should just work out of the box, pick your settings and NEVER have to worry about anything like this ... the only thing you should have to worry about is the thing just breaking for some reason.

I would be a nervous wreck wanting to change the channel every hour for a few minutes just so I don't end up with a TV that has a frigging ESPN logo burned into the right corner of my screen.

I just can't get over this fact guys ... and I think many others need to be aware of this as well .... This is a real bummer cause I was SO hopping I Finally found my new TV.
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I had my ST50 for two months. No gaming but plenty of espn news and other logo featuring channels. I used cnet settings mostly.
So maybe i was not looking carefully enough but I never noticed any IR, any rainbow effects, any banding or anything else. It could be that I don't have the same critical eye as others but the fact is that neither me and my wife ever noticed anything odd with the TV. Just wanted to share that. Now if i have had the problems some people described I would be concerned too.
I'm starting to wonder if we have a case of lacking quality control here, from Panasonic?
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