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post #3151 of 9713
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

SEE .... the reviews and those friggin comments are why I keep coming back!
I know this TV is amazing and I want to give it a shot SO bad ... just very leery now I guess and screwed myself cause now I will be looking for the issues! LOL
Would love to see how a great TV looks on certain things like Blurays, sports and games like that!
Then why not just purchase one and try it out in your home? If you are dissatisfied with it, return it and try something else. Unless you are buying it at a low-ball price from a non-authorized vendor with a poor or super expensive return policy, this seems like a no-brainer to me. Obviously, there is something about this model series that appeals to you and keeps you coming back to this thread. You will never get the answer you seek until you try one out...in your own home environment.

BTW, the new TC-P60GT50 I bought on sale at Best Buy this past Saturday gets delivered on Thursday. You can be sure if I encounter problems with it (or am dissatisfied in some way), back it goes. I have returned TV's before and it is not a big deal to me.
post #3152 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PhoenixLev View Post

See my previous posts in this thread. I am apparently one of those unfortunates that are sensitive to the bright area flickers that plasmas tend to produce. I've seen a few different explanations for it but it seems to be caused by the low refresh rates (60hz or less). Not sure how old you are but think of how those old CRT monitors looked when a slow refresh rate was selected. That "flicker affect" is what I see when looking at bright color areas with most plasmas. I think flashing brights describe it best. I am hoping I can simply get used to it. It has gotten better since I got the unit.

Bummer, maybe you will get used to it.
post #3153 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Then why not just purchase one and try it out in your home? If you are dissatisfied with it, return it and try something else. Unless you are buying it at a low-ball price from a non-authorized vendor with a poor or super expensive return policy, this seems like a no-brainer to me. Obviously, there is something about this model series that appeals to you and keeps you coming back to this thread. You will never get the answer you seek until you try one out...in your own home environment.
BTW, the new TC-P60GT50 I bought on sale at Best Buy this past Saturday gets delivered on Thursday. You can be sure if I encounter problems with it (or am dissatisfied in some way), back it goes. I have returned TV's before and it is not a big deal to me.


Great advice, i returned 3 LED tv's before I the 65GT50.....
post #3154 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Bummer, maybe you will get used to it.
My wife had huge headaches with the LED, but the plasma has been good for her..
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I am thinking of getting either a GT50 or an ST50 to place in a brightly lit family room with a picture window directly in front (about 15 ft away) from the TV and another picture window on one side. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to the GT50 or ST50 in this scenario (does one set do better with glare than the other/is one better in a brightly lit room)? I am a little confused because I read somewhere that the GT50 would be better because it has the THX Bright Room setting and then I read somewhere else that the ST50 can get brighter (which I think would be better for cutting through any light hitting the tv?). All so confusing, any help or thoughts would be appreciated.
post #3156 of 9713
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Originally Posted by luv2run View Post

I am thinking of getting either a GT50 or an ST50 to place in a brightly lit family room with a picture window directly in front (about 15 ft away) from the TV and another picture window on one side. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to the GT50 or ST50 in this scenario (does one set do better with glare than the other/is one better in a brightly lit room)? I am a little confused because I read somewhere that the GT50 would be better because it has the THX Bright Room setting and then I read somewhere else that the ST50 can get brighter (which I think would be better for cutting through any light hitting the tv?). All so confusing, any help or thoughts would be appreciated.

IMHO, the THX brightroom setting is not that great,, I used Cnet settings on Custom and set Panel Brightness to the middle setting and it does well in a bright my bright room(65GT50). Not sure if the ST has the same setting or not.
I have a glass sliding door on the side of my couch and it gets super bright in the afternoon even with the blinds closed...
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Just got the 55GT50 delivered from AMAZON 40 min ago. The PILOT delivery guy unwrapped it and powered it on. And it is now up and running, watching Megamind on HBO (UVERSE HD). Very sunny outside but I closed the curtains and am using the THX Cinema with a 10 point contrast boost. So far so good, picture is pretty awesome from 10 feet and the colors looks good enough to eat.
Next I will put it on VIVID or GAMING and leave it on ESPN news for 24 hours and see what happens. Or maybe I'll watch a Blu Ray, we'll see tongue.gif
Definitely will test if I can see the "oil painting" effect later tonight.

EDIT: Did a quick test with UVERSE output set to 1080i vs 720p. I cannot tell any difference. Looks identical.
Edited by ludersven - 8/7/12 at 10:09am
post #3158 of 9713
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Originally Posted by luv2run View Post

I am thinking of getting either a GT50 or an ST50 to place in a brightly lit family room with a picture window directly in front (about 15 ft away) from the TV and another picture window on one side. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to the GT50 or ST50 in this scenario (does one set do better with glare than the other/is one better in a brightly lit room)? I am a little confused because I read somewhere that the GT50 would be better because it has the THX Bright Room setting and then I read somewhere else that the ST50 can get brighter (which I think would be better for cutting through any light hitting the tv?). All so confusing, any help or thoughts would be appreciated.

Brighter than the VT50 not the GT50. The GT50 and ST50 are the same with the exception of THX modes.
post #3159 of 9713
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

My wife had huge headaches with the LED, but the plasma has been good for her..

You probably had the screen too bright, and plasma being dimmer solves that issue. My wife was getting headaches with my old CCFL LCD in the bedroom until I noticed it was way too bright for the environment. Turned it down and headaches gone!

Now I was about to buy a GT50 yesterday but after looking around in BestBuy I noticed that ALL the plasmas flickered like a fast strobe light whenever there was a white or bright screen. Not to mention whites were terrible. I used to be a plasma owner, but switched to LCD 4 years ago, and I think the brighter whites and complete lack of 2D flicker really spoiled me. I really wanted to go back to get rid of my gray blacks and clouding, but I just can't.
post #3160 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Just got the 55GT50 delivered from AMAZON 40 min ago. The PILOT delivery guy unwrapped it and powered it on. And it is now up and running, watching Megamind on HBO (UVERSE HD). Very sunny outside but I closed the curtains and am using the THX Cinema with a 10 point contrast boost. So far so good, picture is pretty awesome from 10 feet and the colors looks good enough to eat.
Next I will put it on VIVID or GAMING and leave it on ESPN news for 24 hours and see what happens. Or maybe I'll watch a Blu Ray, we'll see tongue.gif
Definitely will test if I can see the "oil painting" effect later tonight.

The vivid setting generally increases the blue sub pixels a lot more than the other two, fyi.
post #3161 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's not horrible IR if you can barely see it with regular programing. There is worse and this will go away.
@Burned: Have you tried playing a colorful animated movie or two? The scrolling bar would have been more effective if you had used it after each session, it is slow and will take some time.
I find it funny that people will spend so much money and expect the tv to conform to them and have a fit when it doesn't. Care should be taken early on and some have reported that using the Game mode may not be best, at least not before 100 -200 hours have passed. There are tons of posts on how to care and feed your plasma.

While I understand what you're saying, what exactly should the average Joe do? I mean, I bought GT50 and since I consider myself a "computer geek" and lurk computer forums daily I decided to register on this forum to learn about this TV before I dove in, but what should Joe the Plumber do? Most people like him are going to buy a TV, take it home, turn it on and use it just the same as they did their old tube TV. Image Retention or screen burn-in is not common knowledge to everyone in regards to Plasma just as Flashlighting, blooming and clouding on LCD's are not common to the average Joe. So if Joe the Plumber buys a new Panny Plasma, doesn't do the 100 hours break-in, hooks up his PS3 and games for hours on end, doesn't even know to switch it to Gaming Mode, how is it his fault? Old tube TV's never had these issues, you'd just buy them, turn them on and use them. They had great black levels, no IR issues and none of the LCD issues. People expect that same experience if not better since they are buying new state of the art technology in today's TV's.
How do you tell Joe the Plumber that his new $1500 Panny Plasma requires more maintenance and offers more headache trying to make sure he doesn't watch the wrong TV channels? You shouldn't have to tell him and he shouldn't need to know. It's unfortunate today's TV technology is far worse off then it used to be.
post #3162 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Brighter than the VT50 not the GT50. The GT50 and ST50 are the same with the exception of THX modes.

Thanks so much for the responses. For those that have this TV in a brighter room, do you have any glare or reflection issues? That is probably the main thing that is making me cautious about pulling the trigger on this TV, as I have a large picture window directly in front of the tv (with a blind but a good amount of light still comes through). I am also considering going LED but concerned with viewing angles as the room is pretty large and we do a lot of off angle viewing.

Thanks again for your help.
post #3163 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

You probably had the screen too bright, and plasma being dimmer solves that issue. My wife was getting headaches with my old CCFL LCD in the bedroom until I noticed it was way too bright for the environment. Turned it down and headaches gone!
Now I was about to buy a GT50 yesterday but after looking around in BestBuy I noticed that ALL the plasmas flickered like a fast strobe light whenever there was a white or bright screen. Not to mention whites were terrible. I used to be a plasma owner, but switched to LCD 4 years ago, and I think the brighter whites and complete lack of 2D flicker really spoiled me. I really wanted to go back to get rid of my gray blacks and clouding, but I just can't.

I played with the LED setting for a week, I actually think i know have my GT50 brighter than what the led was when it left.
post #3164 of 9713
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Originally Posted by luv2run View Post

Thanks so much for the responses. For those that have this TV in a brighter room, do you have any glare or reflection issues? That is probably the main thing that is making me cautious about pulling the trigger on this TV, as I have a large picture window directly in front of the tv (with a blind but a good amount of light still comes through). I am also considering going LED but concerned with viewing angles as the room is pretty large and we do a lot of off angle viewing.
Thanks again for your help.

All TVs today have glare issues but IMO the GT50 handles it better than any others (the same statements have been made by other owners and professional reviewers), the VT50's filter does handle it slightly better than the GT50 (I think I said this before?) but results in a slightly dimmer image. The ST and GT have the same filters.

The off axis viewing problems with my lcd is what led me to plasma and Panasonic. Some are better than others at handling the problem. If you are the only one who will watch the tv and will sit in only the sweet spot every time then you won't have a problem. There is also the issues of flashlighting, clouding, light bleed, and of course lighter blacks (which results in other less desirable issues for many).
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I'm almost a week in with this set and I noticed something yesterday while watching Hell's Kitchen on FoxHD. It was flickering at the very top edge of the screen like white/blocks. It was only visible during the show and not the commercials so I'm suspecting the feed. I was also watching GI Joe (SD) and when it was showing the glacier it was kinda flickering a little bit. You can sure tell the difference in cable feed quality with this set compared to my old 50" Panny (now a 65"), but other then that I'm very pleased with the purchase.

I've been using the Cnet settings for pretty much everything. Would I be better off using Game for playing MW3 on my PS3, or just stick with Cnet?
post #3166 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

While I understand what you're saying, what exactly should the average Joe do? I mean, I bought GT50 and since I consider myself a "computer geek" and lurk computer forums daily I decided to register on this forum to learn about this TV before I dove in, but what should Joe the Plumber do? Most people like him are going to buy a TV, take it home, turn it on and use it just the same as they did their old tube TV. Image Retention or screen burn-in is not common knowledge to everyone in regards to Plasma just as Flashlighting, blooming and clouding on LCD's are not common to the average Joe. So if Joe the Plumber buys a new Panny Plasma, doesn't do the 100 hours break-in, hooks up his PS3 and games for hours on end, doesn't even know to switch it to Gaming Mode, how is it his fault? Old tube TV's never had these issues, you'd just buy them, turn them on and use them. They had great black levels, no IR issues and none of the LCD issues. People expect that same experience if not better since they are buying new state of the art technology in today's TV's.
How do you tell Joe the Plumber that his new $1500 Panny Plasma requires more maintenance and offers more headache trying to make sure he doesn't watch the wrong TV channels? You shouldn't have to tell him and he shouldn't need to know. It's unfortunate today's TV technology is far worse off then it used to be.

It really is too bad that people don't read the book that comes with the tv and overlook good advice in favor of taking their own path. wink.gif

What is a Joe the Plumber called that is female?
Edited by sheshechic - 8/7/12 at 12:53pm
post #3167 of 9713
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

I'm almost a week in with this set and I noticed something yesterday while watching Hell's Kitchen on FoxHD. It was flickering at the very top edge of the screen like white/blocks. It was only visible during the show and not the commercials so I'm suspecting the feed. I was also watching GI Joe (SD) and when it was showing the glacier it was kinda flickering a little bit. You can sure tell the difference in cable feed quality with this set compared to my old 50" Panny (now a 65"), but other then that I'm very pleased with the purchase.
I've been using the Cnet settings for pretty much everything. Would I be better off using Game for playing MW3 on my PS3, or just stick with Cnet?

You are getting all the information being transmitted when you see that at the top. To get rid of it change the HD size.
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

What is a Joe the Plumber called that is female?
Josephine - I recall there was a series of TV commercials with a female plumber with that name years ago too... biggrin.gif
post #3169 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

You are getting all the information being transmitted when you see that at the top. To get rid of it change the HD size.

Ok thanks.....I had actually just switched it to 2 and this was the only time I noticed it.
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Josephine - I recall there was a series of TV commercials with a female plumber with that name years ago too... biggrin.gif

OMG! You're right! I forgot all about her. I guess I am just a Josephine the Plumber who has read a lot on AVS, HDJ and google. biggrin.gif
I have relatively little experience with plasma ownership.
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Originally Posted by nucl3arboNg View Post

Ok thanks.....I had actually just switched it to 2 and this was the only time I noticed it.

Irritating, isn't it? I can't wait until programming is all cleaned up, transmissions are at the quality that at least our current tech can provide and we no longer have to make these sort of adjustments.
post #3172 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

The off axis viewing problems with my lcd is what led me to plasma and Panasonic. Some are better than others at handling the problem. If you are the only one who will watch the tv and will sit in only the sweet spot every time then you won't have a problem. There is also the issues of flashlighting, clouding, light bleed, and of course lighter blacks (which results in other less desirable issues for many).
That is exactly why I am delegating my Samsung LN46B750 to the bedroom when my 60GT50 shows up in a couple of days. Having lived with the video quality issues associated with my LCD (and Samsung's less than stellar customer service) for the past three years, I don't see how the new Panny can be anything less than a giant leap forward for me. As always, YMMV...
post #3173 of 9713
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Originally Posted by luv2run View Post

Thanks so much for the responses. For those that have this TV in a brighter room, do you have any glare or reflection issues? That is probably the main thing that is making me cautious about pulling the trigger on this TV, as I have a large picture window directly in front of the tv (with a blind but a good amount of light still comes through). I am also considering going LED but concerned with viewing angles as the room is pretty large and we do a lot of off angle viewing.
Thanks again for your help.

Nearly every set out there LED or plasma now has a glossy or mostly-glossy screen because it helps to increase contrast. My GT50 does show reflections; they are easiest to see when the set is turned off or displaying a dark / black image. When the set lights up most of those reflections can't be seen unless they are are very bright.

Overall, I would have to say that the GT50 does a better job handling reflections than any other "glossy" screen I have seen (no I have not seen them all tongue.gif) and does a better job than the LG LM7600 (LED set) that I sent packing before I got the GT50.

The viewing angle on the GT50 (or most other plasmas) is great side-to-side and simply can not be matched by LCD. The light-rejection filter on the GT50 has a very strong up-down viewing effect but not until the angle is probably greater than 45 degrees. So you would have to think about wall mounting it if you have kids laying on the floor looking up from a few feet away form the wall.
post #3174 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

That is exactly why I am delegating my Samsung LN46B750 to the bedroom when my 60GT50 shows up in a couple of days. Having lived with the video quality issues associated with my LCD (and Samsung's less than stellar customer service) for the past three years, I don't see how the new Panny can be anything less than a giant leap forward for me. As always, YMMV...

Similar move here. I put the LN46A750 in the bedroom and the 60GT50 in the great room. I was never unhappy with the LN46A750 but 90% of my viewing was from the "sweet spot".
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

... Next I will put it on VIVID or GAMING and leave it on ESPN news for 24 hours and see what happens. ...

Definitely will test if I can see the "oil painting" effect later tonight.
EDIT: Did a quick test with UVERSE output set to 1080i vs 720p. I cannot tell any difference. Looks identical.

Probably would not be my first suggestion. eek.gif


I have seen the 720p "thing" but its pretty subtle and I need to get much much closer than my normal viewing distance to see it. There is something about the 720p scaling thats not quite right but at my usual viewing position I can't see it. Overall, my 720p experience has been fine.
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Here is an example of the oil painting issue. This photo is taken from about 10 inches and it is of an avatar on my PS3. First pic is with PS3 set to output at 720p and second is 1080p. Easy to see it. HOWEVER, I had the TV on all day watching movies and shows on UVERSE (720p) and I have not noticed any issues. Maybe if I watched TV from 10 inches I would but not seeing it from 9 - 10 feet. I will keep looking for any indication that this oil painting issue manifests itself during regular usage but so far it is not.
The fact is that if no one had told me about this issue I would never have noticed it myself. Very happy with the TV after the first 8 hours. Watching Kiki's Delivery Service with the wife right now. TV on CNETs ST50 settings and it looks very good.


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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Probably would not be my first suggestion. eek.gif

No I doubt anyone reading this forum would really do that wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Just got the 55GT50 delivered from AMAZON 40 min ago. The PILOT delivery guy unwrapped it and powered it on. And it is now up and running, watching Megamind on HBO (UVERSE HD). Very sunny outside but I closed the curtains and am using the THX Cinema with a 10 point contrast boost. So far so good, picture is pretty awesome from 10 feet and the colors looks good enough to eat.
Next I will put it on VIVID or GAMING and leave it on ESPN news for 24 hours and see what happens. Or maybe I'll watch a Blu Ray, we'll see tongue.gif
Definitely will test if I can see the "oil painting" effect later tonight.
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You go right ahead but I don't want to see any tears nor hear any whimpering when you're done - K?

Edit: wink.gif
post #3179 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Here is an example of the oil painting issue. This photo is taken from about 10 inches and it is of an avatar on my PS3. First pic is with PS3 set to output at 720p and second is 1080p. Easy to see it. HOWEVER, I had the TV on all day watching movies and shows on UVERSE (720p) and I have not noticed any issues. Maybe if I watched TV from 10 inches I would but not seeing it from 9 - 10 feet. I will keep looking for any indication that this oil painting issue manifests itself during regular usage but so far it is not.
The fact is that if no one had told me about this issue I would never have noticed it myself. Very happy with the TV after the first 8 hours. Watching Kiki's Delivery Service with the wife right now. TV on CNETs ST50 settings and it looks very good.


Umm ... yeah.

Like I said earlier - magnifying glass.
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

... Now I was about to buy a GT50 yesterday but after looking around in BestBuy I noticed that ALL the plasmas flickered like a fast strobe light whenever there was a white or bright screen. Not to mention whites were terrible. I used to be a plasma owner, but switched to LCD 4 years ago, and I think the brighter whites and complete lack of 2D flicker really spoiled me. I really wanted to go back to get rid of my gray blacks and clouding, but I just can't.

Yup, but there are a couple things to keep in mind. If you were a previous plasma owner and didn't have a problem with the refresh flicker you will be able to re-adjust your brain to a pulse mode display again. I found this extreamly annoying at first and nearly returned the set but after doing some research I decided to wait and see. Sure enough, I adjusted to the flicker and no longer see it unless I intentionally look for it.

Also, the flicker at the stores can be amplified by the stores fluorescent lighting and possibly the other plasma sets near by.

If most of your viewing is in a bright sunlit room at noon then the brightness of LCD makes a better picture, no arguments. If most of your viewing is in the evening or in a lesser lit room then those beaming whites of LCD can actually cause a lot of eye strain unless you dial it down to plasma level. Big problem with dimming down an LCD is that the contrast and overall PQ also drops off dramatically. Outside of bright daytime viewing, plasma whites look great to me. I'm actually finding the plasma brightness far more pleasing than LCD.

The deep black level from plasma more than compensates for lower light level. If you look at absolute contrast ratios, plasma sets are usually 2 -3 X higher giving the whites more impact than LCD even at the lower brightness level. My point here is that you will re-adjust to the lower overall brightness of plasma unless your viewing room is ablaze with lighting.

A final thought is the viewing angle. Your LCD probably drops off pretty significantly once you move out of the sweet spot. In my opinion, this is a bigger problem with new LCD's than older ones that had CCFL lighting. If you are viewing off-angle durring the daytime, the plasma gains some ground and maybe evn catches LCD. At night, well, LCD just falls apart off angle.

I had been in the LCD world for 10 years and noticed everything you are seeing but now that I have the plasma I couldn't be happier. I would have a hard time going back to LCD mad.gif
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