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post #3211 of 9713
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

CRT tube TV's are still the ultimate choice to retro game on, be it the NES, Atari 2600, SNES, Genesis ect ect.
I'd never sell my 20" Sony 92'(thinking of upgrading to a 27") TUBE Tv. XP Playing retro games on an HDTV is possibly the worst thing you could do.
Using a composite cable and running 480i on any HDTV will produce some nasty lag, plus i love the nostalgia factor
of using a TUBE TV, totaly takes me back.
But ya, other than that they're dead. Most people want to get rid of them. Old school gamers still love them to death like myself,
while there are even other gamers out there who refuse to part from them because of the zero lag they deliver, although they're
kind of in the minority, but i can understand where they are coming from. I cant deal with anything past 1 frame of lag.
HD graphics and all of that other shnazzy crap doesn't matter to me if the game doesn't perform or respond properly. 'gameplay'
matters first.

I have a 20" crt, I think it's an RCA, with speakers that run along the sides, in my guest bedroom and its analog, so no blu rays.
post #3212 of 9713
Hi Everyone! I'm new and I wanted to say Hi! I have been following this Thread since the first post and I want to thank everyone for there's thoughts and experience with the GT, it really helped me make my decision and also got me worried. But that's what happens when you do to much research, I think we talk ourselves out of it and find flaws. But anyways I put my worries aside and did it and on a side note I had total Wife approval for you married members you know how it is! So after a trip to Best Buy last Sat I received my 65GT50 yesterday and it's amazing and it's my first Plasma! The panel is Beautiful! Picture is pretty AWESOME can't wait for it to break in more, and really be able to tweak it but for now THX Cinema is pretty nice with a couple tweaks at least to my eyes.

Now for the few complaints that I have read in the Thread:

IR: I have had NONE at all! (Some have reported IR right away.)
BUZZ: Didn't have any that I could hear I had to go behind the panel and put my ear almost to the panel while it was on a bright screen to even hear a very light buzz. AWESOME!!
Stand: no tilt! PERFECT! Not really that big of a deal it's fixable but I know it was discussed and it will be wall mounted in the next couples weeks after I'm absolutely sure it's a keeper.
720P: can't really comment haven't tried any yet but I will tonight I have some things that are 720p.
OTA: Will be taking a look tonight my Tivo was the last thing I messed with because I wanted to look at my favorite movies first!!
Blu Rays: Absolutely AMAZING! Tron LEGACY FREAKING AWESOME!! Fifth Element AMAZING!! Avatar amazing but I have seen that movie look good on a crappy 40" almost can't judge display quality with that movie.

I know only time will tell if this is going to get better, but reading this Thread has taught me that it will unquestionably get better and I'm looking forward to that!

Now my only concern or question that I have right now for everyone is on a black screen does your screen go completely black? Or does it have like a slight smokey look to it I got up close to it and it looks like faint snow effect but I noticed if I switch the Dark Level setting to Dark from Light I get a pitch black screen but I notice I lose some black detail in actual content. Example I'm currently using a PS3 for a Blu Ray Player and when it thinking or moving between tracks or whatnot it puts up a black screen and that's were I notice the smokey/snow effect/Noise whatever you want to call it. It's also slight noticeable on the actual film in dark scenes sometimes if I really look for it but again when I get up close it. If it's part of Plasma tech I understand just never really noticed it. But I can't see it from were I sit anyways.

Any info regarding this issue would be much appreciated!

And I'm happy to report the wife LOVES the GT and can't get over how clear and how some movies have so much depth that it looks 3D! She was just Amazed last night sampling movies. She can't wait to get it wall mounted. So thank you all again for all the information that has been posted in this Thread to help us make a great choice!!
post #3213 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

I know only time will tell if this is going to get better, but reading this Thread has taught me that it will unquestionably get better and I'm looking forward to that!
Now my only concern or question that I have right now for everyone is on a black screen does your screen go completely black? Or does it have like a slight smokey look to it I got up close to it and it looks like faint snow effect but I noticed if I switch the Dark Level setting to Dark from Light I get a pitch black screen but I notice I lose some black detail in actual content. Example I'm currently using a PS3 for a Blu Ray Player and when it thinking or moving between tracks or whatnot it puts up a black screen and that's were I notice the smokey/snow effect/Noise whatever you want to call it. It's also slight noticeable on the actual film in dark scenes sometimes if I really look for it but again when I get up close it.!

First of all I share all your positive impressions about the GT. Had it since Tuesday and it is great! Your remarks are spot-on from my perspective. smile.gif
For your "smokey look" issue I'm curious how you discovered it? Did you notice it during regular viewing or where you standing a feet from the screen when you first discovered it? I have not noticed this particular phenomena (I will look for it tonight, I also use PS3 as Blu-Ray player) but I also have not studied the screen extensively from very close up since that would not be normal viewing for me.
post #3214 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Hi Everyone! I'm new and I wanted to say Hi! I have been following this Thread since the first post and I want to thank everyone for there's thoughts and experience with the GT, it really helped me make my decision and also got me worried. But that's what happens when you do to much research, I think we talk ourselves out of it and find flaws. But anyways I put my worries aside and did it and on a side note I had total Wife approval for you married members you know how it is! So after a trip to Best Buy last Sat I received my 65GT50 yesterday and it's amazing and it's my first Plasma! The panel is Beautiful! Picture is pretty AWESOME can't wait for it to break in more, and really be able to tweak it but for now THX Cinema is pretty nice with a couple tweaks at least to my eyes.
Now for the few complaints that I have read in the Thread:
IR: I have had NONE at all! (Some have reported IR right away.)
BUZZ: Didn't have any that I could hear I had to go behind the panel and put my ear almost to the panel while it was on a bright screen to even hear a very light buzz. AWESOME!!
Stand: no tilt! PERFECT! Not really that big of a deal it's fixable but I know it was discussed and it will be wall mounted in the next couples weeks after I'm absolutely sure it's a keeper.
720P: can't really comment haven't tried any yet but I will tonight I have some things that are 720p.
OTA: Will be taking a look tonight my Tivo was the last thing I messed with because I wanted to look at my favorite movies first!!
Blu Rays: Absolutely AMAZING! Tron LEGACY FREAKING AWESOME!! Fifth Element AMAZING!! Avatar amazing but I have seen that movie look good on a crappy 40" almost can't judge display quality with that movie.
I know only time will tell if this is going to get better, but reading this Thread has taught me that it will unquestionably get better and I'm looking forward to that!
Now my only concern or question that I have right now for everyone is on a black screen does your screen go completely black? Or does it have like a slight smokey look to it I got up close to it and it looks like faint snow effect but I noticed if I switch the Dark Level setting to Dark from Light I get a pitch black screen but I notice I lose some black detail in actual content. Example I'm currently using a PS3 for a Blu Ray Player and when it thinking or moving between tracks or whatnot it puts up a black screen and that's were I notice the smokey/snow effect/Noise whatever you want to call it. It's also slight noticeable on the actual film in dark scenes sometimes if I really look for it but again when I get up close it. If it's part of Plasma tech I understand just never really noticed it. But I can't see it from were I sit anyways.
Any info regarding this issue would be much appreciated!
And I'm happy to report the wife LOVES the GT and can't get over how clear and how some movies have so much depth that it looks 3D! She was just Amazed last night sampling movies. She can't wait to get it wall mounted. So thank you all again for all the information that has been posted in this Thread to help us make a great choice!!

You didn't say what settings your using, maybe if you post them we can help you with that "slight smokey look". wink.gif
post #3215 of 9713
Hey Ludersven ,

I happened to notice it because I know that Black are suppose to be ABYSS BLACK (I know that's an exaggeration) so when the black screen kept coming on and it wasn't ABYSS Black I got up and looked and noticed the weird effect it had. So I guess when I get home today I'm going to try using a different HDMI cable and see if that is the problem and maybe do a reset of setting and see what happens.
post #3216 of 9713
Cool. And let us know what settings you use so I can try the same!
post #3217 of 9713
I will check the settings and the cable when I get home today and if it's not the cable I will post the settings.
post #3218 of 9713
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Originally Posted by rupterr View Post

For those of you not happy with the sharpness of this set when viewing cable tv sources. Is your STB connected to the GT50 via hdmi or component? Has anyone tried both connections? Is there a difference in sharpness with one or the other?

i got my 51E7000 samsung and have been watching it side by side with my 55GT50 for 4 days now - its definitely accurate to say that the processor in the samsung does a much better job with 720p / 1080i HD television through the cable box - the GT is soft and seems to dull the crisp image - something is happeneing that reduces the clarity. if you only watch blu ray 1080p material than the GT may be your best bet , but for all HD sports and HD television programming and HD streaming movies and HD cable movies, Nat Geo channel, velocity channel, HBO, News etc. (not SD) the samsung has much more razor sharp processing and details are breathtaking compared to the soft GT50. i like the look of the GT chassis better, but for me its all about PQ when watching HD television on a daily basis, and the 51E7000 is un-real (its as sharp as my older 5075XPU panasonic.) The samsung also does a fine job with blu-ray movies (only tried 1 so far.) - I am sitting about 10 feet away from both TV's so the 4 inches in screen diff shouldnt matter.
post #3219 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

i got my 51E7000 samsung and have been watching it side by side with my 55GT50 for 4 days now - its definitely accurate to say that the processor in the samsung does a much better job with 720p / 1080i HD television through the cable box - the GT is soft and seems to dull the crisp image - something is happeneing that reduces the clarity. if you only watch blu ray 1080p material than the GT may be your best bet , but for all HD sports and HD television programming and HD streaming movies and HD cable movies, Nat Geo channel, velocity channel, HBO, News etc. (not SD) the samsung has much more razor sharp processing and details are breathtaking compared to the soft GT50. i like the look of the GT chassis better, but for me its all about PQ when watching HD television on a daily basis, and the 51E7000 is un-real (its as sharp as my older 5075XPU panasonic.) The samsung also does a fine job with blu-ray movies (only tried 1 so far.) - I am sitting about 10 feet away from both TV's so the 4 inches in screen diff shouldnt matter.

Yes the lackluster video processing on the Panasonic was also
confirmed by the SiGGy review for the 51E7000.

This looks great on my E450.

Mode - Movie
Cell Light 20
Brightness 50 daytime / 40 for evening and 35 for a dark room
Contrast 100 daytime / 97 for evening and 93 for a dark room
Sharpness 0
Color 55
R/G Tint 50/50
Color Space - Native
Gamma -1 for night (0 for daytime
Dynamic Contrast - off
Black Tone - Darkest
Flesh Tone - 0
Color Tone - Warm1
Size - Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter - Off

White Balance Calibration

RO - 21
GO - 25
BO - 22
RG - 20
GG - 25
BG - 23
post #3220 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

i got my 51E7000 samsung and have been watching it side by side with my 55GT50 for 4 days now - its definitely accurate to say that the processor in the samsung does a much better job with 720p / 1080i HD television through the cable box - the GT is soft and seems to dull the crisp image - something is happeneing that reduces the clarity. if you only watch blu ray 1080p material than the GT may be your best bet , but for all HD sports and HD television programming and HD streaming movies and HD cable movies, Nat Geo channel, velocity channel, HBO, News etc. (not SD) the samsung has much more razor sharp processing and details are breathtaking compared to the soft GT50. i like the look of the GT chassis better, but for me its all about PQ when watching HD television on a daily basis, and the 51E7000 is un-real (its as sharp as my older 5075XPU panasonic.) The samsung also does a fine job with blu-ray movies (only tried 1 so far.) - I am sitting about 10 feet away from both TV's so the 4 inches in screen diff shouldnt matter.

Thanks for your comments. How are the blacks on your 51"? I am strongly leaning towards an E6500/E8000 for my study but from all I have read in reviews on both sides of the Atlantic the mll is roughly 4-5 times higher than the ST50/GT50/VT50. The 60" and larger Exxxx are much closer to the Panasonics in black level.
post #3221 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

Thanks for your comments. How are the blacks on your 51"? I am strongly leaning towards an E6500/E8000 for my study but from all I have read in reviews on both sides of the Atlantic the mll is roughly 4-5 times higher than the ST50/GT50/VT50. The 60" and larger Exxxx are much closer to the Panasonics in black level.

the blacks on the Samsung look just as good as the panasonic to my (un-trained / un- professional ) eyes !
post #3222 of 9713
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don't fall asleep while viewing, don't abuse your set with video games, less than full screen content, or news & sports logos

So no blu-rays or DVDs (less than full screen content), TV (logos) or games. Gotcha. You do realize that you just excluded vast majority of what people use TVs for with your abuse list.. right? wink.gif
post #3223 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Bleeding? Flickering? Burn-in?!
These are only problems if you look for them. As far as "burn in", all you have to do is read your manual, don't use irresponsible settings, don't fall asleep while viewing, don't abuse your set with video games, less than full screen content, or news & sports logos.....

Although everything you're saying is correct, the manual doesn't say anything of the sort. My point is a noob customer that reads the manual won't get that type of advice and furthermore if they happen to be forum lurkers and stumble across AVS they can easily get frustrated by the amount of craziness that goes on here about IR. You can't blame people for feeling paranoid. Your frustration should be directed at the tech companies for not creating better panels to resist this issue..such as Samsung. Now, just to be clear, I have a Panasonic GT50, I'm not a Samsung fan but for them to make panel that can resist IR for over 24 hours such as CNET showed then Panasonic should be able to do the same thing.
post #3224 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Although everything you're saying is correct, the manual doesn't say anything of the sort. My point is a noob customer that reads the manual won't get that type of advice and furthermore if they happen to be forum lurkers and stumble across AVS they can easily get frustrated by the amount of craziness that goes on here about IR. You can't blame people for feeling paranoid. Your frustration should be directed at the tech companies for not creating better panels to resist this issue..such as Samsung. Now, just to be clear, I have a Panasonic GT50, I'm not a Samsung fan but for them to make panel that can resist IR for over 24 hours such as CNET showed then Panasonic should be able to do the same thing.

It did not do it for 24 hours but 8 hours but that's a minor quibble.

I have not seen the Panasonic Manual but just for interest here is an extract from the Samsung Manual entitled Important Warranty Information:

Wide screen format PDP Displays (with 16:9 aspect ratios, the ratio of the screen width to height) are primarily designed to view wide screen format full-motion video. The images displayed on them should
primarily be in the wide screen, 16:9 ratio format, or expanded to fill the screen, if your model offers this feature, with the images constantly in motion. Displaying stationary graphics and images on the screen,
such as the dark sidebars on non-expanded standard format television video and programming, should be limited to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week.

Additionally, viewing other stationary images and text such as stock market reports, video game displays, station logos, web sites or computer graphics
and patterns, should be limited as described above for all televisions
. Displaying stationary images that exceed the above guidelines can cause uneven
aging of PDP Displays that leave subtle, but permanent burned-in ghost images in the PDP picture. To avoid this, vary the programming and images, and
primarily display full screen moving images, not stationary patterns or dark bars. On PDP models that offer picture sizing features, use these controls to
view different formats as a full screen picture.
post #3225 of 9713
The book that comes with the Panasonic states:

On the second page:
■Do not display a still picture for a long time
This causes the image to remain on the plasma screen
(“Image retention”). This is not considered a malfunction and is not covered by the warranty.
4 : 3
12 To prevent the “Image retention”, the screen saver is
automatically activated after a few minutes if no signals are
sent or no operations are performed.
Typical still images ●Channel number and other logos
●Image displayed in 4:3 mode
●SD Card photo ●Video game ●Computer image
■Set up
●Do not place the unit where it’s exposed to sunlight or other bright light (including reflections).
●Use of some types of fluorescent lighting may reduce the remote control’s transmission range.


In the Warranty section:
Limited Warranty Limits And Exclusions
This Limited Warranty ONLY COVERS failures due to defects in materials or workmanship, and DOES NOT COVER
normal wear and tear or cosmetic damage, nor does it cover markings or retained images on the glass panel resulting
from viewing fixed images (including, among other things, non-expanded standard 4:3 pictures on wide screen TV’s,
or onscreen data in a stationary and fixed location)
. The Limited Warranty ALSO DOES NOT COVER damages which
occurred in shipment, or failures which are caused by products not supplied by the warrantor, or failures which result
from accidents, misuse, abuse, neglect, bug infestation, mishandling, misapplication, alteration, faulty installation,
set-up adjustments, misadjustment of consumer controls, improper maintenance, power line surge, lightning damage,
modification, or commercial use (such as in a hotel, office, restaurant, or other business), rental use of the product,
service by anyone other than a Factory Service Center or other Authorized Servicer, or damage that is attributable to acts
of God.

In addition, the Help Guide (dvd) warns that when using 4:3 image retention of the side bars may occur from displaying it for a long time.
post #3226 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Although everything you're saying is correct, the manual doesn't say anything of the sort. My point is a noob customer that reads the manual won't get that type of advice and furthermore if they happen to be forum lurkers and stumble across AVS they can easily get frustrated by the amount of craziness that goes on here about IR. You can't blame people for feeling paranoid. Your frustration should be directed at the tech companies for not creating better panels to resist this issue..such as Samsung. Now, just to be clear, I have a Panasonic GT50, I'm not a Samsung fan but for them to make panel that can resist IR for over 24 hours such as CNET showed then Panasonic should be able to do the same thing.

I must say that you are right. One would think that Panasonic would take the same view, especially when you consider that they refuse to provide more picture adjustment tools because their data indicates that the majority of buyers are not well enough informed to use them and will most likely ruin their sets.
post #3227 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Limitation of plasma tech. The damn things flicker. I used to have plasmas, then switched to LCD. Now every time I walk into BestBuy and look at one, white screens flicker like an old monitor. No surprise whatsoever that the overly white and contrasty 360 dash flickers this badly. Plasmas are good for one thing only, and that's motion video. Everything else is terrible. Static images? Burn in. Text on screen? Line bleed. Bright static scenes? Flicker central. And now they can't even seem to scale 720p correctly, which my 4 year old LCD does with ease? You've got to be kidding me. Then there's the heat and the buzzing to contend with. I'd seriously rather have clouding, flashlighting, and motion blur than deal with all that. I used to be a plasma fan and owned 2 Panny plasmas from 2004 to 2008 before I discovered all these issues.

I see none of these issues, and i do a bit of everything with my TV, including gaming.
post #3228 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

the blacks on the Samsung look just as good as the panasonic to my (un-trained / un- professional ) eyes !

I have owned a 51'' E8000 and now own a 55'' GT50. There is absolutely a HUGE difference in black level between the Sammy and the Panny. The blacks on the 51'' E8000 look more like an LCD. The blacks on the GT50 are almost completely black. The larger size Samsung's have better blacklevels than their 51'', but still can't compare to the Panasonic's. I found this to be the case on many I looked at in store as well as at home. This has also been confirmed by many pro reviews.

I can't believe you don't notice the difference. Some people don't pick up on it. They know that it is supposed to be black, but is it really? It took me awhile to really notice what real black looks like on a TV. Now that i have it, i would never go back...and yes the Samsung is a bit sharper on some HD cable content, but the difference is not huge.
post #3229 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

i got my 51E7000 samsung and have been watching it side by side with my 55GT50 for 4 days now - its definitely accurate to say that the processor in the samsung does a much better job with 720p / 1080i HD television through the cable box - the GT is soft and seems to dull the crisp image - something is happeneing that reduces the clarity. if you only watch blu ray 1080p material than the GT may be your best bet , but for all HD sports and HD television programming and HD streaming movies and HD cable movies, Nat Geo channel, velocity channel, HBO, News etc. (not SD) the samsung has much more razor sharp processing and details are breathtaking compared to the soft GT50. i like the look of the GT chassis better, but for me its all about PQ when watching HD television on a daily basis, and the 51E7000 is un-real (its as sharp as my older 5075XPU panasonic.) The samsung also does a fine job with blu-ray movies (only tried 1 so far.) - I am sitting about 10 feet away from both TV's so the 4 inches in screen diff shouldnt matter.

See, its possible to say negative things about the Pany's in this thread and have people listen.

I have always liked Samy's processing; its why my two prior sets were Samy's. I recently tried out an LG set and instantly noted how "weak" the scaling / processing was compared to my older Samy's and I knew why LG's were not as popular.

From my view, the Pany processing is much better than the LG everywhere but falls short of the Samy on 720p. I haven't seen any problems with 1080i and like HD broadcast but I don't have the ability to do a side-by-side so I can't confirm your 1080i observation. When I did a room to room comparison with 1080i, I actually gave the Pany better marks. 480i looks pretty nice on the Pany; I'd say it looks better than my Samy but I think a lot of that is from the better black level. 1080p is awesome. All of my disks (B-Ray or DvD) get pumped up to 1080p before they leave the BDT500 and look amazing.

I auditioned an LG LED because of rave reviews (what are these people smoking) and sent it packing primarily because of the horrid black level. Then I strated thinking about plasma and I naturally thought of Samy first but the big turn off I found (web research) was power supply buzz so I tried Pany instead. I'm quite happy I did; the PQ as its better than anything I have ever owned.
post #3230 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Hey Ludersven ,
I happened to notice it because I know that Black are suppose to be ABYSS BLACK (I know that's an exaggeration) so when the black screen kept coming on and it wasn't ABYSS Black I got up and looked and noticed the weird effect it had. So I guess when I get home today I'm going to try using a different HDMI cable and see if that is the problem and maybe do a reset of setting and see what happens.

You will NEVER achieve "absolute" black with any plasma TV. The best they can do is based on how much light is generated while the plasma is in "pre discharge mode". They are never completely off. It takes too long to for the plasma cells to fully "charge" from a dead-off state. So, they are kept "warm" and ready to go. That warm state emits a small amount of light that you will see at night in a dark room with a "black" video signal.

In a dimmly lit room its very hard to see at normal viewing distances. You may be seeing some low level noise and pre-discharge emission if you get close and look for it.

I tried out an edge-lit LED before the GT50. That beast pumped out enough light on a "black" screen that I could read newsprint 4 feet away in a dark nightime room, no exageration mad.gif Black level is never really black, but some technologys can be blacker than others.

Even though its still not "true black" I believe the new Panasonics have the best ratings for "black" on the market today. If you read around, you will see info for the Pioneer Kuro plasmas of days gone by. They had an excellent black level that has been unmatched for years. It has taken the other manufacturers years of catch-up and they still haven't quite gottent there but Panasonics blacks are probably close to Kuro levels now and at prices that many average consumers can swallow compared to the ultra premium pricing of the Pioneers in the past.
post #3231 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

i got my 51E7000 samsung and have been watching it side by side with my 55GT50 for 4 days now - its definitely accurate to say that the processor in the samsung does a much better job with 720p / 1080i HD television through the cable box - the GT is soft and seems to dull the crisp image - something is happeneing that reduces the clarity. if you only watch blu ray 1080p material than the GT may be your best bet , but for all HD sports and HD television programming and HD streaming movies and HD cable movies, Nat Geo channel, velocity channel, HBO, News etc. (not SD) the samsung has much more razor sharp processing and details are breathtaking compared to the soft GT50. i like the look of the GT chassis better, but for me its all about PQ when watching HD television on a daily basis, and the 51E7000 is un-real (its as sharp as my older 5075XPU panasonic.) The samsung also does a fine job with blu-ray movies (only tried 1 so far.) - I am sitting about 10 feet away from both TV's so the 4 inches in screen diff shouldnt matter.

How do you feel about SOE (soap opera effect)?
post #3232 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How do you feel about SOE (soap opera effect)?

i dont see the soap opera effect or dse, and my 51E7000 samsung doesnt have the buzz (i know i'm lucky to have a good one - bc i returned a 59D8000 last year bc of buzzzzzzzzzzzzzing)
as i stated earlier - while a meter or other pro calibration tool may say otherwise, the blacks look great to me on the sammy. razor sharp PQ is my number one priority and this samsung finally provides that for me. i get the feeling that many people in this room who have knee jerk reactions to any positive press for the current samsungs (or any negative comments on panasonics) either are first time owners of plasma TVs or dont know what the older generation panasonics used to deliver - i had last years 60GT30 for a while as well as the current GT50 and disapointed both times - panasonic has moved to focusing their best results for 1080p blu ray source. all these tv's are good but best at different things
post #3233 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Concerned View Post

i dont see the soap opera effect or dse, and my 51E7000 samsung doesnt have the buzz (i know i'm lucky to have a good one - bc i returned a 59D8000 last year bc of buzzzzzzzzzzzzzing)
as i stated earlier - while a meter or other pro calibration tool may say otherwise, the blacks look great to me on the sammy. razor sharp PQ is my number one priority and this samsung finally provides that for me. i get the feeling that many people in this room who have knee jerk reactions to any positive press for the current samsungs (or any negative comments on panasonics) either are first time owners of plasma TVs or dont know what the older generation panasonics used to deliver - i had last years 60GT30 for a while as well as the current GT50 and disapointed both times - panasonic has moved to focusing their best results for 1080p blu ray source. all these tv's are good but best at different things

Thank you for your response.

I actually think that a good number of owners here considered buying a Samsung. I considered it for the very reason you stated and a couple more.
post #3234 of 9713
Quick question, when in zoom mode is it possible to move the image around?

I can do it on my old samsung lcd tv but don't seem able to do it on the gt50.

Also, for those concerned with IR. I gave mine a pretty bad scenario of playing the same level in Trials HD for 3 hours so part of the timer is stuck there. It's been 2 weeks and it's 98% gone and isn't really noticeable during regular content.

IR seems to be hit or miss though, as I've actually had IR of the smart viera logo that pops up for like 2 seconds when the screen turns on and I've watched something with a static logo for a while without any signs of IR.

The whole IR thing does bug me though as I don't feel like these things should need to be babied so much, but it's not the worse thing in the world as it seems to go away enough that you don't notice it during normal viewing.

What's way, way way, more annoying to me is the damn line bleed because I see it quite a bit during regular content
post #3235 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Bleeding? Flickering? Burn-in?!
These are only problems if you look for them. As far as "burn in", all you have to do is read your manual, don't use irresponsible settings, don't fall asleep while viewing, don't abuse your set with video games, less than full screen content, or news & sports logos, and just ENJOY your plasma instead of scrutinizing it until you find some trivial issue most owners don,t seem to have. If you really can't remember these simple guidelines, then either accept some very mild & temporary image retention (not "burn in" lol), or accept the fact that it's time for you to MOVE ON!

It's neither very mild nor very temporary, at least in my case. As far as ENJOYMENT goes it's kind of hard to do that when I'm busy not gaming, not watching anything in any format that shows bars at the top, bottom, or sides, not watching any channels with logos, and obsessively fiddling with the settlings. All while fondly recalling my 6 year old 42" Plasma that had none of these problems.
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

You will NEVER achieve "absolute" black with any plasma TV. The best they can do is based on how much light is generated while the plasma is in "pre discharge mode". They are never completely off. It takes too long to for the plasma cells to fully "charge" from a dead-off state. So, they are kept "warm" and ready to go. That warm state emits a small amount of light that you will see at night in a dark room with a "black" video signal.
In a dimmly lit room its very hard to see at normal viewing distances. You may be seeing some low level noise and pre-discharge emission if you get close and look for it.
I tried out an edge-lit LED before the GT50. That beast pumped out enough light on a "black" screen that I could read newsprint 4 feet away in a dark nightime room, no exageration mad.gif Black level is never really black, but some technologys can be blacker than others.
Even though its still not "true black" I believe the new Panasonics have the best ratings for "black" on the market today. If you read around, you will see info for the Pioneer Kuro plasmas of days gone by. They had an excellent black level that has been unmatched for years. It has taken the other manufacturers years of catch-up and they still haven't quite gottent there but Panasonics blacks are probably close to Kuro levels now and at prices that many average consumers can swallow compared to the ultra premium pricing of the Pioneers in the past.

tpollagi I know the black on the GT aren't absolute black but they are some of the best on the market at least right now. There will never be the PERFECT TV but the the GT is a good step in the right direction as far as quality goes.

UPDATE:
Just wanted to give an update I changed my HDMI cable and no change but I noticed that apparently the picture setting had been changed to Standard (Horrible) as soon as I switched it back to THX Cinema the problem mostly went away. I was able to get my friend over today who's a huge Home Theatre buff and he took a look at it and immediately told me that what I was seeing was normal and he did confirm also that it's Low Level Noise in black and that pretty much all black content has it! But differs by content, now you can almost get rid of it all by changing the black level from Light to Dark but doing this causes the blacks to crush and you loose details in your blacks. So I'm happy with the improvement in THX Cinema present that I can live with the little that is there and besides the fact that you can't see it from were I sit, so as of right now I don't have any more complaints with my GT50. Thanks tpollagi for also confirming this I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed it. This problem is way more apparent in the Standard preset, so much so that you can actually tell some noise in the menu itself.
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Originally Posted by Burned View Post

It's neither very mild nor very temporary, at least in my case. As far as ENJOYMENT goes it's kind of hard to do that when I'm busy not gaming, not watching anything in any format that shows bars at the top, bottom, or sides, not watching any channels with logos, and obsessively fiddling with the settlings. All while fondly recalling my 6 year old 42" Plasma that had none of these problems.

Yep ... Who wants a tv where you can't play games, can't keep it on a channel with static logos for more than an hour, which of course means hardly any sports whatsoever, can't use half of the default settings cause they are considered "torch mode" and do nothing but set things low so you get no IR, and have to pick and choose the content the you watch so it fits with your TV!!! This is absolutely shocking to me how you can actually ENJOY a TV with so much that has to be done and SO much that can't be done on it!

I understand this is the nature of a Plasma ... and for some it's a trade off to go through all this crap to get "the blackest blacks" (who cares when it's at the expense of all this crap) ... but NOTHING could make having to do all this worth it.

The most AMAZING picture in the world would never make up for all the shortcomings and all the crap you have to go through in owning one of these things.

SO so glad I looked into this when I did ... I was literally 24 hours away from blowing 2.5K on this thing.

Once again ... yes I know ... this technology is not for me, so I will ... Move On! (I know some are thinking ... Finally! LOL tongue.gif )
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Hey everyone. This has been a great forum for researching about plasma TVs, especially for the GT50 so thank you for all the useful info. I've been reading this thread for there past week and finally decided to pull the trigger on purchasing a 60" GT50. It's being delivered tomorrow AM and I am pretty excited and worried at the same time, haha.

I am coming from a 46" Samsung 550 LCD that has served me well for the past 5 years! The thing I'm worried about is image retention or burn in. I play a lot of call of duty and this Sammy has shown absolutely zero signs of image retention or burn in. I've played COD on this TV for about 4 years and a session could range from 30 min to 3-4 hrs on weekend.

Does anyone on this forum play a lot of 1st person MP shooters on their GT50? I just don't want the ammo count and HUD stuck on this 2012 plasma when my 5 yr old sammy can do it for hours at a time with no issues. 1/3 of the TVs time is spent playing video games and the rest is for cable and blu-rays.

I've read all the posts about break-in slides being only for calibration purposes, but wouldn't playing the TV for 150-200 hrs help prevent burn in or at least image retention if its given the TV a chance to burn those phosphors some? I don't know, this is my first plasma so I'm new to it all.

Thanks and I will post an update after it gets delivered and set up!
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Maybe an LED Elite would be good for you plus it comes in a 70"!
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Originally Posted by sgs182 View Post

Hey everyone. This has been a great forum for researching about plasma TVs, especially for the GT50 so thank you for all the useful info. I've been reading this thread for there past week and finally decided to pull the trigger on purchasing a 60" GT50. It's being delivered tomorrow AM and I am pretty excited and worried at the same time, haha.
I am coming from a 46" Samsung 550 LCD that has served me well for the past 5 years! The thing I'm worried about is image retention or burn in. I play a lot of call of duty and this Sammy has shown absolutely zero signs of image retention or burn in. I've played COD on this TV for about 4 years and a session could range from 30 min to 3-4 hrs on weekend.
Does anyone on this forum play a lot of 1st person MP shooters on their GT50? I just don't want the ammo count and HUD stuck on this 2012 plasma when my 5 yr old sammy can do it for hours at a time with no issues. 1/3 of the TVs time is spent playing video games and the rest is for cable and blu-rays.
I've read all the posts about break-in slides being only for calibration purposes, but wouldn't playing the TV for 150-200 hrs help prevent burn in or at least image retention if its given the TV a chance to burn those phosphors some? I don't know, this is my first plasma so I'm new to it all.
Thanks and I will post an update after it gets delivered and set up!

sgs182 I came from the same TV and it's been a good TV but I have to say the GT50 is AWESOME especially for 1080p content. I'm waiting to get some more time on the TV before I trying any gaming but I will be throwing some Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer at it soon and some more also but I'm enjoying my movies right now.
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