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post #3331 of 9713
Bought myself a 60" GT50. Coming on Saturday. I"m pumped. I'm just going to plug it in and start watching. Hope all goes well. It's my first Plasma.
post #3332 of 9713
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Yah- I concur with the above. I don't understand the series bashing. The PQ is amazing.

+1

The current Panasonic plasmas have the best picture quality of any HDTV on the market, period. Anyone who tries to say differently doesn't know what they are talking about.
post #3333 of 9713
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

+1
The current Panasonic plasmas have the best picture quality of any HDTV on the market, period. Anyone who tries to say differently doesn't know what they are talking about.

I agree. There is no such thing as a perfect TV so it seems people just like to harp on the negatives...as few as they are.
post #3334 of 9713
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Yah- I concur with the above. I don't understand the series bashing. The PQ is amazing- and I have a very bright room for all those that think only LED/LCD are for bright rooms- this set is fine. I generally use THX bright room unless night time when I use cinema.
I've had my 60" GT50 since early June and I love it. I watch sports & news stations, play Xbox, utilize MLB.tv, and Amazon Prime videos. All work fantastic. No indication of any of the primary negative comments in this thread: no IR, no buzzing, no tilting, no smearing. Olympics were amazing to watch with the FiOS HD signal. Unfortunately I never got a pair of 3D glasses to check out the the 3D feed.
Only negatives: set puts out a LOT of heat. I might not hear buzzing a foot away, but my face sure gets warm a foot away. And the speakers SUCK- forget about "8 train speakers with sub"- they suck. SQ gets really bad with volume: barely a difference between sound levels 60 and 100. Another con: the set fails to pick up an IP address quickly. I connect via Ethernet to a gigabit network and I still need to wait a minute before it connects to my router and/or Internet services. You may only see this if you use VIERA Connect, which I do a lot to catch my Yankees- it's annoying to wait for the set to complete diagnostics just to get an IP address.
Other non-Panasonic negative is Amazon. They really screwed up their white glove delivery. I stayed home from work to receive the package and then they never delivered it! Amazon agreed the scheduling was their screwup and refunded $100. Then when the CEVA freight company finally delivered it, my wife was home and the delivery schmuck was alone and required her help to get the box through the door. And then he had to borrow screwdriver to put set/stand together. They don't carry basic tools?!?! Horrible, horrible experience. Amazon's use of CEVA will make me think twice about buying a TV from them again.
The TV is awesome. If you're on the fence you can jump on this side without worrying.

The bashing is all coming from one troll who doesn't even own the set. I found the troll's posts so ignorant and useless I actually added the troll to my filter list; I no longer even see the trolls ravings. I have no objection to anyone finding problems or questioning Panasonic but the troll just kept repeating useless 2nd hand stories and mis-information.

Heat, yea thats plasma and thats why its not energy-star compliant. The majority of power that gets sucked out the electrical outlet gets converted to heat. Not so good in the summer when the AC is running but will be less of an issue when the heat comes on.

Speakers, well no they are not going to compare to an AV set-up but compared to any other flat panel I have seen they are significantly better. I have no idea what happens between 60 and 100; I usually don't need to go above 30 -35. For "simple" TV I find the built-ins more than acceptable. For Anything else I turn on the sound system. Then again I probably have almost as much $ in the Elite reciever and speaker system as I do the GT50.

IP address, I also noticed that if I just turn on the TV and quickly go to an IP service I get the error. I've kinda learned that a little patience works here. If the TV is on for a minute the IP connection comes right up. I was also quite happy with the ease of setting the initial "log in". Just a single button press on the router and poof I was connected. It took me 10 minutes with an LG set that required typing in the 64 character code (3 times before I got it right with the remote). That was ugly.

Amazon, well I had a Mega Ugly episode with Pilot Freight the first time and a "curb drop" the second time. Love Amazon but they have very poor control over the regional contractors who service the national freight companies. Ultimately Amazon is at fault because it is their responsibility to make the logistics work. I had to ask the driver to help me carry the box in then I did the damage check while he just stood there looking like I was wasting his time.
post #3335 of 9713
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Other non-Panasonic negative is Amazon. They really screwed up their white glove delivery. I stayed home from work to receive the package and then they never delivered it! Amazon agreed the scheduling was their screwup and refunded $100. Then when the CEVA freight company finally delivered it, my wife was home and the delivery schmuck was alone and required her help to get the box through the door. And then he had to borrow screwdriver to put set/stand together. They don't carry basic tools?!?! Horrible, horrible experience. Amazon's use of CEVA will make me think twice about buying a TV from them again.
The TV is awesome. If you're on the fence you can jump on this side without worrying.

Are you sure it was actually CEVA that delivered the TV? I've had them deliver 3 over the course of just over a year. I had to deal with Pilot 3 times and they only send one guy who is not supposed to do anything more than unbox and let you check for damage and functionality. If it was CEVA then you really should call Amazon and make them aware of the experience and your displeasure.
post #3336 of 9713
My 55GT50 was bought from Amazon and delivered by Pilot. One guy but he did it all himself. Asked if I needed him to power it on and I said yes. He removed the top part of the box, found the power chord and got it powered on. Then he left and I assembled the tv on the stand. The 55 is not really that heavy so np doing that by myself. i would say it was < 30 min from the guy knocking on my door until I was watching.

It has been a week and so far I'm more than satisfied. I estimate I have 100+ hours on it including some overnight running of HBO movies to "age" it. No slides. I have not noticed any buzzing, maybe because I usually have the volume ON when I use the TV. It does get quite warm which should come in handy come winter wink.gif .
The oil paint effect is there on some 720p material but not noticeable by me from 6 feet plus. Not a big deal to me and I would not be surprised if Panasonic does something in a future SW update to address it. Avatar and John Carter on Blu-Ray looks fantastic. HBO in HD looks outstanding as well. Glad I have both seasons of Game Of Thrones saved on the DVR.
From a design stand point it definitely looks nicer than the ST50, more of a high end look to it. Not that the ST is ugly but GT looks sharper. If that matters to you.
The sound is absolutely acceptable, no complaints at all.

Overall very happy with purchase!
post #3337 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

The bashing is all coming from one troll who doesn't even own the set. I found the troll's posts so ignorant and useless I actually added the troll to my filter list; I no longer even see the trolls ravings. I have no objection to anyone finding problems or questioning Panasonic but the troll just kept repeating useless 2nd hand stories and mis-information.
Heat, yea thats plasma and thats why its not energy-star compliant. The majority of power that gets sucked out the electrical outlet gets converted to heat. Not so good in the summer when the AC is running but will be less of an issue when the heat comes on.
Speakers, well no they are not going to compare to an AV set-up but compared to any other flat panel I have seen they are significantly better. I have no idea what happens between 60 and 100; I usually don't need to go above 30 -35. For "simple" TV I find the built-ins more than acceptable. For Anything else I turn on the sound system. Then again I probably have almost as much $ in the Elite reciever and speaker system as I do the GT50.
IP address, I also noticed that if I just turn on the TV and quickly go to an IP service I get the error. I've kinda learned that a little patience works here. If the TV is on for a minute the IP connection comes right up. I was also quite happy with the ease of setting the initial "log in". Just a single button press on the router and poof I was connected. It took me 10 minutes with an LG set that required typing in the 64 character code (3 times before I got it right with the remote). That was ugly.
Amazon, well I had a Mega Ugly episode with Pilot Freight the first time and a "curb drop" the second time. Love Amazon but they have very poor control over the regional contractors who service the national freight companies. Ultimately Amazon is at fault because it is their responsibility to make the logistics work. I had to ask the driver to help me carry the box in then I did the damage check while he just stood there looking like I was wasting his time.

I Had ceva delivered mine about 2 weeks ago and had the same experience almost, i had to offer the guy some money to help me bring it to my basement lol. Amazon is totally the one to blame for these crappy freight carriers they use.
post #3338 of 9713
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Originally Posted by bullpuss View Post

I Had ceva delivered mine about 2 weeks ago and had the same experience almost, i had to offer the guy some money to help me bring it to my basement lol. Amazon is totally the one to blame for these crappy freight carriers they use.

Maybe Amazon has changed their contract with Ceva like they did with Pilot. My first Pilot experience wasn't much different except that there was only one guy. If you notice, Amazon no longer calls it White Glove anymore. It could be why they are price matching with others that charge for White Glove. Anyway that would be my argument- Amazon's description of their delivery service no longer meets or exceeds the services other sellers charge for as White Glove. wink.gif
post #3339 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

The bashing is all coming from one troll who doesn't even own the set. I found the troll's posts so ignorant and useless I actually added the troll to my filter list; I no longer even see the trolls ravings. I have no objection to anyone finding problems or questioning Panasonic but the troll just kept repeating useless 2nd hand stories and mis-information.

Poor 720p is a demonstrated issue and shown in screenshots. Worse than competition IR is a demonstrated issue and observed personally in BestBuy. A useless 96Hz mode in 3D due to flicker issues is widely reported. Worse than competition color dithering is a demonstrated issue and also observed personally in the store. Now obviously the Panasonics win in black level and shadow detail. But there are other issues to consider here. Don't be a Panasonic fanboy. If the 64E7000 I receive buzzes loudly or has any other sorts of issues, I will be the first to complain about it, including here, so you can all feel better about your GT50 purchase (hell, maybe I'll buy one myself instead).
post #3340 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Poor 720p is a demonstrated issue and shown in screenshots. Worse than competition IR is a demonstrated issue and observed personally in BestBuy. A useless 96Hz mode in 3D due to flicker issues is widely reported. Worse than competition color dithering is a demonstrated issue and also observed personally in the store. Now obviously the Panasonics win in black level and shadow detail. But there are other issues to consider here. Don't be a Panasonic fanboy. If the 64E7000 I receive buzzes loudly or has any other sorts of issues, I will be the first to complain about it, including here, so you can all feel better about your GT50 purchase (hell, maybe I'll buy one myself instead).

Go up to the screen of any tv, put your nose 10" away and tell me what you see and if it is pleasing to you. That is what you saw in those screen shots.

And people who insist on sitting 3 feet from a 50" or larger tv to play games is abusing themselves.
post #3341 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Go up to the screen of any tv, put your nose 10" away and tell me what you see and if it is pleasing to you. That is what you saw in those screen shots.
And people who insist on sitting 3 feet from a 50" or larger tv to play games is abusing themselves.

Why do you keep ignoring what people say? Yes, the screenshots are from inches away but almost everyone who has seen this issue can see it from 5-6 feet like luderseven stated. I can see it from even further. I am not trying to stretch out this issue nor clog up this thread. I'm not trying to be disrespectful whatsoever either.

I will try to contact Panasonic about it at some point. It would be great if it could be fixed with a firmware update, but I somehow doubt it.
post #3342 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Why do you keep ignoring what people say? Yes, the screenshots are from inches away but almost everyone who has seen this issue can see it from 5-6 feet like luderseven stated. I can see it from even further. I am not trying to stretch out this issue nor clog up this thread. I'm not trying to be disrespectful whatsoever either.
I will try to contact Panasonic about it at some point. It would be great if it could be fixed with a firmware update, but I somehow doubt it.

Have you considered getting a great quality, low cost upscaling receiver? Turns out I had to buy a new receiver anyway since my current one didn't have 3D passthrough. So I bought a Yamaha V673. Not only does that sucker upscale 720p to 1080p, but it will also upscale it to 4K if you have a 4K TV! Talk about future proof. Had I known about this, I might have reconsidered the GT50.
post #3343 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Have you considered getting a great quality, low cost upscaling receiver? Turns out I had to buy a new receiver anyway since my current one didn't have 3D passthrough. So I bought a Yamaha V673. Not only does that sucker upscale 720p to 1080p, but it will also upscale it to 4K if you have a 4K TV! Talk about future proof. Had I known about this, I might have reconsidered the GT50.

Yes, I am definitely considering getting a receiver or video processor. I am just trying to find one that has minimum input lag and doesn't cost a fortune. Those two aspects are pretty hard to find together tongue.gif
post #3344 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Unlike the Samsungs now you have to spend even more money
to improve on something the TV should be able to do on it's own.
Then buy a second Panasonic TV as a spare because the fist one is busy
with the white screen to get rid of IR for hours and days at a time.

You don't need a video processor with these sets, you are definitely an anti-panasonic troll, your agenda is obvious and your facts incorrect. What about the ear plugs In need to wear for buzzing on the Samsungs, peeling AR coating last year, fbr see I can cherry pick also.
post #3345 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Why do you keep ignoring what people say? Yes, the screenshots are from inches away but almost everyone who has seen this issue can see it from 5-6 feet like luderseven stated. I can see it from even further. I am not trying to stretch out this issue nor clog up this thread. I'm not trying to be disrespectful whatsoever either.
I will try to contact Panasonic about it at some point. It would be great if it could be fixed with a firmware update, but I somehow doubt it.



Why do you keep diverting the point? Why don't you understand the point made? My point was about screen shots and people (mainly gamers) who sit too close. Why do you keep ignoring that some of the people who have said that they see the same thing that you see only see it at a too close distance from the tv? In addition, you are amplifying those claims while minimizing the amount of people who have stated that they do not share your experience. People should be able to weigh these posts as fairly as possible and that is my point. I'm sorry if this offends you, that is not my intention.
post #3346 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Unlike the Samsungs now you have to spend even more money
to improve on something the TV should be able to do on it's own.
Then buy a second Panasonic TV as a spare because the fist one is busy
with the white screen to get rid of IR for hours and days at a time.

Please go back home ET.

Frankie doesn't need your association. People are getting upset with him, not as much because of his problem, but mostly because of people like you attaching yourselves to him - to troll and take this thread off track.
post #3347 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

You must be joking.
Read the evaluations from people who returned a panny for a sammy thread.

A few extra particular people(no offense to videophiles intended) the average person would be quite satisfied with the picture quality. I can find numerous examples of someone returning a Samsung and getting a Panny. You have your 720p resolution blinders on, I don't dismiss Samsung like you do Panasonic, I have owned both have you ? Very comparable in picture quality, I prefer the Panasonic qualities, but both are quality Plasma lines. I think I'll come on over to your Samsung owners thread and troll for a while. Slant things however you want but you have an agenda no doubt about it.
Edited by chunon - 8/15/12 at 3:21pm
post #3348 of 9713
I'm beginning to appreciate the 'Block Member' function more and more.
post #3349 of 9713
I just started using that feature too,lol. But it won't work when someone quotes them as in the above example:rolleyes:
post #3350 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

I hope you do that, it so quiet around the sammy theads I get board
and have to kick up some sand here.

That's obvious but I'm not in the trolling business like you are so I'll stick to things I can personally testify to. Back to the GT50 it is one outstanding plasma smile.gif
post #3351 of 9713
Good greif biggrin.gif

I guess when you have the BEST TV ON THE MARKET you also have the biggest bullseye on your back.
post #3352 of 9713
Wow do the ST& VT owners threads look like this?
post #3353 of 9713
^^^pretty much
post #3354 of 9713
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

A few extra particular people(no offense to videophiles intended) the average person would be quite satisfied with the picture quality. I can find numerous examples of someone returning a Samsung and getting a Panny. You have your 720p resolution blinders on, I don't dismiss Samsung like you do Panasonic, I have owned both have you ? Very comparable in picture quality, I prefer the Panasonic qualities, but both are quality Plasma lines. I think I'll come on over to your Samsung owners thread and troll for a while. Slant things however you want but you have an agenda no doubt about it.

Well said...I totaly agree but I do think most videophiles would also choose the Panny over the Sammy.

BTW, i too have owned both and I returned an E8000 (buzz, dead pixels, Fbr) for my GT50. So glad i did!
post #3355 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Well said...I totaly agree but I do think most videophiles would also choose the Panny over the Sammy.
BTW, i too have owned both and I returned an E8000 (buzz, dead pixels, Fbr) for my GT50. So glad i did!

Exactly, that's why I wish people here would ignore the falcon-troll. The HDTV shootout rated the Panasonic VT50 the best of 2012. If IR was such an issue the experts wouldn't give props on the Panasonic TV's. I would rather have a small bit of IR in my face (Panny) than a bullhorn full of buzzing, (Sammy). And don't let me get started about the LCD TV's, especially the Full Array backlit ones. Unless you get the best Sony or the Elite...both being overpriced monsters, you will get blooming and regardless of either they still have limited viewing angles. That would drive me nuts since that happens at any given time unlike IR which doesn't happen constantly or at all. In fact you have to basically force IR by watching improper content. Can't enjoy even the finest LCD TV's unless you're sitting directly in front of them. NO THANKS. smile.gif
post #3356 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

... demonstrated issue and ... demonstrated issue and ... demonstrated issue and ... the 64E7000 ... buzzes loudly ... feel better about your GT50 purchase (hell, maybe I'll buy one myself ...).


Yea, I absolutely agree with you. The GT50 is the definite way to go.
post #3357 of 9713
We had family movie night tonight.smile.gif We watched The Lorax 3D. It looked awesome. Probably the best 3D movie i have seen yet. The 3D on the GT50 was very impressive. The picture was vibrant and plenty bright with almost zero noticeable crosstalk (watched in 48hz). I have noticed there is a big difference from one 3D movie to the next. It is obvious what movies were trully made for 3D because the effect is much more immersive compared to the movies that seem like they were just converted to 3D later.
post #3358 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Yea, I absolutely agree with you. The GT50 is the definite way to go.

You realize that this kind of childish behavior IS trolling, right?
post #3359 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Yes, I am definitely considering getting a receiver or video processor. I am just trying to find one that has minimum input lag and doesn't cost a fortune. Those two aspects are pretty hard to find together tongue.gif

Now , getting back to actually helping you: I just picked up a Yamaha V673 receiver through Amazon using Electronics Expo as the seller. I had to buy one for 3D passthrough, but upconversion was just icing on the cake. They are currently upgrading everyone who orders the $400 V671 like I did to a $600 V673 free of charge. See end of thread "The "official" Yamaha RX-V673 thread. 7.2-Channel Network AVR". This puppy will upscale 720p to 1080p or even 4K, talk about future proof. And its rated among the best in sound quality. Don't know about lag though... I mean, how are you even going to test a receiver for lag? I don't think any pro reviewers test receivers for lag unlike they do TVs, but I know what you mean, it is a concern of mine too. But I figure, as powerful as this model is to upscale to 4K, and as new and feature rich as it is, I doubt it adds perceptible lag.
post #3360 of 9713
There are two kinds of posts that cause me to think about using the "block member" option. The first group would be those who engage in compulsive argument about a single issue. They are the complainers who go overboard about "their issue" for an excessive amount of days or weeks.

The second group would be those who argue with the first group. eek.gif
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