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post #3661 of 9715
Well it is 2 days later and it looks like i have burn in.

It is very faint but there. I'm pissed as the tv is only 3 months old.

The wife doesn't see but I do.
post #3662 of 9715
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Originally Posted by Applemike68 View Post

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Per the pictures I posted a few weeks ago. Panasonic sent me to a service tech that picked up the tv and declared the board was bad after they installed a new which didn't work they said the panel was bad which they will replace but they are in a three back order. My question is the tv is only five weeks old and I purchased from amazon. How do I get them to replace the tv? The customer service reps are not friendly, if you want to go above their head they won't let me. Any suggestions? Sorry for the bad grammar, typing before the plane takes off ...
Thanks

Just demand for a new one, there shouldn't be a problem, if there is I would create one for them. Good luck
post #3663 of 9715
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Originally Posted by sillycyberfunguy View Post

Well it is 2 days later and it looks like i have burn in.
It is very faint but there. I'm pissed as the tv is only 3 months old.
The wife doesn't see but I do.

I wouldn't worry about it yet. I've had some IR that took a few days to get rid of (some even took a few weeks)

It does bum me out though that I can't game on this as much as I'd like to since the picture blows my LCD away.

It's like range anxiety for electric cars hah
post #3664 of 9715
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Originally Posted by hotsho111 View Post

I did a ton of research on these things (UPSs, power conditions and the link) and the general consensus is don't waste money on a power conditioner.
Also, most UPSs (almost all under 400) don't do anything to the input voltage so if you are expecting it to do 'line conditioning' things it most likely won't.
Only get a UPS if for some reason you need some electronics to stay on for a bit if the power goes out (probably not necessary).
Don't waste your money on a power condtioner, just get a good surge protector. Whatever electronic device you are using is going to condition the power it's getting anyway.

Well, I've had 3 Panasonic plasmas die in the last 9 months. ALL 7 blinking red lights. Had an electrician come out and outlets are fine. Of course, he wasn't here as a spike, dip, surge whatever occured.
Not sure about the last thing you wrote about whatever electronic device you are using is going to condition the power it's getting anyway...not for my tvs!!

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post #3665 of 9715
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Originally Posted by mrasg1 View Post

Well, I've had 3 Panasonic plasmas die in the last 9 months. ALL 7 blinking red lights. Had an electrician come out and outlets are fine. Of course, he wasn't here as a spike, dip, surge whatever occured.
Not sure about the last thing you wrote about whatever electronic device you are using is going to condition the power it's getting anyway...not for my tvs!!
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Most electronic devices (at least the relatively sensitive ones) have power inverters in them that convert the incoming current into something more friendly for the device. It doesn't matter if what it gets in is clean or not, it's going to be converted anyway.(My technical knowledge on the specifics is a bit limited though, so I left out some details. I may be mincing words with what I said anyway). Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge of these internals can fill in the gaps.

In your case. I'm still convinced something else is going on.

Maybe you should bribe Randy into discovering random voltage hikes (seriously, I would guess less than .01% of people would have been able to figure that one out)
post #3666 of 9715
So after having the 60" gt50 for about 3.5 weeks, and had to bite the bullet and get a Samsung e7000 for comparison. I just couldn't get over the soft/blurry picture when watching anything that wasn't blu ray. I read of several people having this issue. My wife thought I was crazy and of course to her the PQ was "fine" I'm way more neurotic than her, and it was just bothering me. We watch a lot of tv and sports, and I always felt the picture was lacking. Not sharp, almost not even HD. So I convinced her to let me get the e7000 to compare. She was annoyed and said I was crazy.....Until the comparison. I was able to have the tvs side by side and kept switching the hdmi between the two. She, and I, and even the kids immediately noticed the difference. The Samsung was WAY crisper and sharper. My wife even asked if the Sammy was an lcd. No calibration on it yet, but it just was more of what I was looking for. We compared watching baseball, and the Bears Packers game. It honestly was no competition in terms of the sharpness, clarity, and overall pop of the tv. We then tried Thor, blu ray, and these two sets looked very similar to our novice, yet neurotic eyes. I will say that I have two other tvs, both lcd, both samsung. So maybe I'm just partial to the Samsung style. This is not a bash on the Panasonic, I'm just letting people who seem to be on the fence like I was, if you have the opportunity to have both tvs for comparison, to do it. Best buy is awesome. They even price matched both these tv's to Amazon. (Glad I did it when I did, since tomorrow amazon is starting to charge CA sales tax to us Californians). If your like me and the softness/blurriness bothers you, it's not gonna get better. You can tweak and adjust all you want, but it won't change. The panasonic does have great color, but sharpness is important to me, and since we only watch blu ray on weekend nights, the Sammy seems more suitable for us. The downside of the Samsung is the fear of the buzzing. The Panasonic was whisper quiet, but this sammy does have a buzz. It comes from the top center of the display. I can hear it when standing right next to the tv, with sound muted, but so far not from viewing position. Hopefully this doesn't become an issue. Tv purchasing is so hard. If only you could get Panasonic rich color, and buzz free performance with the clarity and sharpness of the sammy. Hope this helps anyone that is in the position I was in. Fingers crossed the buzzing doesn't take over, because I am not interested in any other tv out there at this point.

Since the gt50 is back in it's box, going back to BB tomorrow, my days in this thread I guess are over. I would like to thank all the members of this thread that kindly answered all my noob questions, and concerns. There are some great, knowledgeable members here and I truly appreciate all their help. Thank you.

Below is a pic to prove I had them both, side by side


post #3667 of 9715
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Originally Posted by hotsho111 View Post

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Originally Posted by mrasg1 View Post

Well, I've had 3 Panasonic plasmas die in the last 9 months. ALL 7 blinking red lights. Had an electrician come out and outlets are fine. Of course, he wasn't here as a spike, dip, surge whatever occured.
Not sure about the last thing you wrote about whatever electronic device you are using is going to condition the power it's getting anyway...not for my tvs!!
eek.gif

Most electronic devices (at least the relatively sensitive ones) have power inverters in them that convert the incoming current into something more friendly for the device. It doesn't matter if what it gets in is clean or not, it's going to be converted anyway.(My technical knowledge on the specifics is a bit limited though, so I left out some details. I may be mincing words with what I said anyway). Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge of these internals can fill in the gaps.

In your case. I'm still convinced something else is going on.

Maybe you should bribe Randy into discovering random voltage hikes (seriously, I would guess less than .01% of people would have been able to figure that one out)

mrasg1 has had three power supply failures this year on three different displays. People here in the thread have advised him that there may be a problem in his installation. What you say about the TV's power supply converting AC power to DC power is correct. But, it doesn't explain what is causing the TV power supplies to fail. It's valuable information, but in this case it isn't exactly on topic.

There have been two suggestions from members that might cause this type of repeated failure.

mrasg1 has installed his displays on a wall mount that was already in the room when this mystery started. It's been suggested that the bolts that attach the wall mount plate to the TV may be too long. So far mrasg1 hasn't indicated that he's checked the bolts to be sure that they are the correct length to insure that they aren't penetrating into the wrong area of the TV.

The second suggestion is that there may be power surges in his area that are damaging his TV power supplies. One solution, if that's the case, would be a high quality surge protector. To be effective, in an area with numerous power surges (three in one year is numerous), it's important that mrasg1 learn something about surge protectors.

For instance, common good quality retail surge protectors lose some or all of their ability to protect with each surge. This type of protector has a warning light so that you know when they are no longer effective. The good companies will supply a replacement free of charge in that case, but you have to protect your devices while you wait for a replacement.

There are surge protectors that are designed to provide their rated protection through any number of surges. They are more expensive.

No surge protector will help if the surge is extreme, like a lightning strike. The surge protector devices do come with a kind of free insurance, but it's up to the buyer to be sure that they have complied with all the fine print. The most obvious thing that would void such coverage would be using an ungrounded outlet.

mrasg1 has had his outlets inspected to I'm assuming that they are grounded.

Power supplies are an easy fix, so I'm surprised that none of the three previous displays have been repaired under warranty. It's possible that such a repair would have provided a clue about why there have been three successive failures.

The mystery continues. wink.gif
post #3668 of 9715
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

S ... If only you could get Panasonic rich color, and buzz free performance with the clarity and sharpness of the sammy. ...

From what I've seen, the little HDMI scaler box or an AV receiver with upscaling does exactly that. Hope the new set works out.
post #3669 of 9715
Yes, you can spend another $300 or so on an upscaler, or just buy the Samsung e7000 for the same price including glasses.........
post #3670 of 9715
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

From what I've seen, the little HDMI scaler box or an AV receiver with upscaling does exactly that. Hope the new set works out.

From what I've read, an upscaler, such as the darbee is more intended for projection screens. DK, just what I've read. Everthing I have is run through an AVR with upscaling, so that isn't the issue. I hope the new set works as well, cuz my wife is starting to really get annoyed with me. Happy wife, happy life.

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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

Yes, you can spend another $300 or so on an upscaler, or just buy the Samsung e7000 for the same price including glasses.........

That's my feeling. When spending the amount of money that these sets cost, I feel I shouldn't have to buy additional equipment just to make the PQ acceptable. Out the door I paid $1984 for the Sammy. The two pairs of 3d glasses are nice too. So far really liking this new TV, but only time will tell. I absolutely loved the gt50 at first but after time I really noticed it's flaws. Fingers are crossed.
post #3671 of 9715
cdub5 -- I'm 100% with you. Instead of making this a long post just let me say that the DARBEE "was" 100% the solution to the sharpness issue on my 65GT50. I've tried taking pics of the difference but my camera doesn't seem to show how different the picture actually is. Personally, I think Panasonic should pay people for this device. Like you said, most people might not see the difference unless they had another TV for a side-by-side comparison. I had two. Buy the DARBEE and you will be happy with your Panasonic.
post #3672 of 9715
The question is if Panasonic can't provide a great picture why not buy the Samsung and save a lot of money?
post #3673 of 9715
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

The question is if Panasonic can't provide a great picture why not buy the Samsung and save a lot of money?

Many of us do get a great picture and even those folks who complain about TV program pictures agree that Blu-ray looks good, as good as on their Samsung. It seems to be an issue of garbage-in, garbage-out. Apparently Samsung is able to improve garbage-in programs and Panasonic cannot. So folks who get a good HD picture from their cable box, and rarely watch SD, a Panasonic may be a better choice.
post #3674 of 9715
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

..., I feel I shouldn't have to buy additional equipment just to make the PQ acceptable. Out the door I paid $1984 for the Sammy. ... Fingers are crossed.

I agree that it shouldn't be needed. I just wanted to simply point out that you can have your cake and eat it to biggrin.gif Also for anyone who chooses the Panasonic over the competition for a variety of reasons (as I did) or doesn't have a "return and replace" option, the dongle is a simple fix for 720p boxes as is a scaling AVR. For me its totally irrelevant since I only feed the TV a diet of 1080p. Don't misunderstand, they booth look good. I just thought the Panny looked better. The buzzing is hit-or-miss across the entire plasma industry.

Samsung has had the most consistent scaler on the market for years.Thats why my prior two sets were Sammy's. I think that is one of the primary reasons they are the number one TV manufacturer in the world.

I've noticed a big move across the entire industry to go to 1080p. Its no longer a "premium" feature on high end equipment, Its everywhere now. Its almost as if devices without 1080p are now considered low end. My only guess as to why Panasonic didn't optimize their 720p scaler is because they feel is only a secondary feature at this point. They may not have realized the "goal" of US cable providers is to pack as much crap in a piece of wire as they can at the lowest resolution possible that won't send their customes packing, then let the consumer figure out the best way to look at it. Why are cable companies charging us to watch shopping channels ? Rant starting ...

Enjoy the new set.
post #3675 of 9715
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

The question is if Panasonic can't provide a great picture why not buy the Samsung and save a lot of money?

Well, that kinda depends on where you shop. I don't need a dongle box but even if I did the total cash I put out for everything would have been the same. The Sammy would not have saved me anything. Since I don't need a dongle box, my Panny was actually $300 less.
post #3676 of 9715
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

From what I've read, an upscaler, such as the darbee is more intended for projection screens. ...

It may have been originally targeted for projection people because most projectors have bad scalers or no scaler at all, but it can be used with any display that would benefit from an aftermarket scaler.


Kinda like the adhesive on Post-It's. Originally targeted as a super strong adhesive for industrial bonding but was later found out to be a better product when attached to little squares of yellow paper biggrin.gif
post #3677 of 9715
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Well, that kinda depends on where you shop. I don't need a dongle box but even if I did the total cash I put out for everything would have been the same. The Sammy would not have saved me anything. Since I don't need a dongle box, my Panny was actually $300 less.

They were the same price last week, but this week the lowest for the Panny (60gt50) is $xxxx and the Samsung (60e7000) is $xxx. So yes, the Samsung is $100 more but it comes with two pairs of glasses and a "built in dongle" lol. I am actually going to buy the 50" and the 50gt50 and the 51e7000 are the same price +/- $5. ($xxxx)

I was going with the gt but all the ir reports and people suggesting that I buy this dongle are starting to change my mind.

I have Time Warner cable and though it is hd it obviously isn't the best, and lt isn't even close to my old dish picture. I have a hunch I am going to need 'help' with the picture.

(edit - I removed the street prices from the post so no; one got upset)
Edited by dzt41j - 9/15/12 at 8:53am
post #3678 of 9715
Spending another $300 on another piece of equipment isn't really in the best interest of the current budget. Plus, I really love my wife. I don't want her to leave me, which if I bought something else, she just might. haha. That being said I got both tv's for almost the same price, and getting the glasses with the sammy is a bonus. Time will tell with the new set, but so far I'm enjoying it. Buzzing is definitely there, however, just a question of if it's gonna be an issue or go unnoticed. As of now can't hear unless standing right in front of the tv with the sound muted. Hopefully that doesn't change.
post #3679 of 9715
I came from having an E8000. I returned it because it buzzed loudly and had fluctuating brightness issues. I am so glad I made the switch to the GT50 and I don't even have the Darbee yet. The Sammy might be a bit sharper on certain lower quality cable content but clarity is only one aspect of PQ. IMO the GT50 is as good or better in every aspect of PQ (black level, contrast, color, etc). And when watching good quality content particularly Bluray, the GT50 is unsurpassed. Once i get the Darbee, my Panny will look better all the time no matter what I am watching.

As far as issues go...The Sammy's buzz more and have Fbr, the Panny's have worse IR. Take your pic, but I don't game much anymore so IR isn't an issue.
post #3680 of 9715
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I came from having an E8000. I returned it because it buzzed loudly and had fluctuating brightness issues. I am so glad I made the switch to the GT50 and I don't even have the Darbee yet. The Sammy might be a bit sharper on certain lower quality cable content but clarity is only one aspect of PQ. IMO the GT50 is as good or better in every aspect of PQ (black level, contrast, color, etc). And when watching good quality content particularly Bluray, the GT50 is unsurpassed. Once i get the Darbee, my Panny will look better all the time no matter what I am watching.
As far as issues go...The Sammy's buzz more and have Fbr, the Panny's have worse IR. Take your pic, but I don't game much anymore so IR isn't an issue.

I have an e6500 and also am hating this buzz but was worried about the panny IR problems. Alot of people seem to be getting it a fews months into use with normal tv watching - i.e watching programming that has logos and tickers on screen. Even CNET did a IR test - and the panny screens looked terrible.

Wish someone would make a decent TV for a change..
post #3681 of 9715
I agree. With all the money and technology involved you would think they could figure out how to make a tv that just works. Maybe everyone is too focused on OLED. The buzzing is definitely an issue, but as my wife stated, I feel like almost all the electronic devices in our house buzz or make some kind of noise. Depends on what you can get used to or ignore. In terms of PQ between the two sets, for me it's not just the sharpness. I watch a lot of sports, and on the Panny, sports looked awful, in my experience. Ton's of noise and blurring. Don't notice any of these issues with the Sammy. I'm coming from lcd, which is supposed to not handle sports well, and my 4 yr old lcd did a better job at it than the Panasonic plasma. I will say blu ray looked outstanding on the Panasonic, however 95% of our viewing is not blu ray, plus blu ray on the Sammy is no slouch either. To each there own. As long as everyone is happy with what they have, that's all that matters.
post #3682 of 9715
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

I agree. With all the money and technology involved you would think they could figure out how to make a tv that just works. Maybe everyone is too focused on OLED. The buzzing is definitely an issue, but as my wife stated, I feel like almost all the electronic devices in our house buzz or make some kind of noise. Depends on what you can get used to or ignore. In terms of PQ between the two sets, for me it's not just the sharpness. I watch a lot of sports, and on the Panny, sports looked awful, in my experience. Ton's of noise and blurring. Don't notice any of these issues with the Sammy. I'm coming from lcd, which is supposed to not handle sports well, and my 4 yr old lcd did a better job at it than the Panasonic plasma. I will say blu ray looked outstanding on the Panasonic, however 95% of our viewing is not blu ray, plus blu ray on the Sammy is no slouch either. To each there own. As long as everyone is happy with what they have, that's all that matters.

Thats true, its all about finding what works for you.
Funny cuz I too watch alot of sports, and i think they look just as good on the Panny as they did on the Sammy. Everything looks more realistic and to me thats really what its all about.
post #3683 of 9715
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Originally Posted by bearzfan1963 View Post

I have an e6500 and also am hating this buzz but was worried about the panny IR problems. Alot of people seem to be getting it a fews months into use with normal tv watching - i.e watching programming that has logos and tickers on screen. Even CNET did a IR test - and the panny screens looked terrible.
Wish someone would make a decent TV for a change..

I do get a bit of IR from normal viewing (logo's,etc.) on ocassion but its barely ever noticeable and goes away rather quickly.
post #3684 of 9715
Hey everyone I'm still wondering about my line bleed is everyone here split on the weather they have line bleed some have said that it's normal especially on trailer green screens but I have also read that people have none at all! So I guess for the people that say they have none at all can you confirm that you are not getting it on the trailer green screens??? and are we talking that 50% of the GT50 owners have no line bleed or more because I'm debating if I want to exchange mine for another but in the same instance I have a dead silent panel and I'm happy with the color and it's finally broken in! Any thoughts of suggestions?? Thanks in advance!
post #3685 of 9715
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Hey everyone I'm still wondering about my line bleed is everyone here split on the weather they have line bleed some have said that it's normal especially on trailer green screens but I have also read that people have none at all! So I guess for the people that say they have none at all can you confirm that you are not getting it on the trailer green screens??? and are we talking that 50% of the GT50 owners have no line bleed or more because I'm debating if I want to exchange mine for another but in the same instance I have a dead silent panel and I'm happy with the color and it's finally broken in! Any thoughts of suggestions?? Thanks in advance!

I notice line bleed on green trailer screens but its strange because sometimes it is barely there and sometimes it is more noticeable.

To me, if it doesn't affect your normal viewing experience (as in during the actual movie) then its a non-issue. I can't even think of an ocassion that it was noticeable during normal content like this.
post #3686 of 9715
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Hey everyone I'm still wondering about my line bleed is everyone here split on the weather they have line bleed some have said that it's normal especially on trailer green screens but I have also read that people have none at all! So I guess for the people that say they have none at all can you confirm that you are not getting it on the trailer green screens??? and are we talking that 50% of the GT50 owners have no line bleed or more because I'm debating if I want to exchange mine for another but in the same instance I have a dead silent panel and I'm happy with the color and it's finally broken in! Any thoughts of suggestions?? Thanks in advance!

That green preview screen always displays Line Bleed on all Plasmas to some extent or another and had done so since the first Plasmas back in the 90's. It's completely normal and not harmful. Some TVs display it worse than others, but in regular viewing you'll rarely if ever see it on normal content. I can only remember seeing it a few times in 7 years - once when watching boxing and i could see the ghost image of the ropes passing through the boxer's torso ( i paused and rewound it and got a bit of a chuckle) but it didn't concern me.

If someone says that they don't see it at all on a Plasma TV, i actually wouldn't believe it. The only TV that it's barely visible on is my friends' Kuros, but it's there (albeit really faint).
post #3687 of 9715
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

The question is if Panasonic can't provide a great picture why not buy the Samsung and save a lot of money?

Well with the Samsung the blacks aren't nearly as good, the colors aren't as good, the contrast isn't as good, the screen isn't as bright, they tend to have irritating brightness fluctuations, and a seemingly higher chance of getting a defective buzzer. What i love about the Samsungs though is it's better processing on poorer content, and it's crisper image (this is the only complaint that i have with my GT50).
post #3688 of 9715
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

I agree. With all the money and technology involved you would think they could figure out how to make a tv that just works. Maybe everyone is too focused on OLED. The buzzing is definitely an issue, but as my wife stated, I feel like almost all the electronic devices in our house buzz or make some kind of noise. Depends on what you can get used to or ignore. In terms of PQ between the two sets, for me it's not just the sharpness. I watch a lot of sports, and on the Panny, sports looked awful, in my experience. Ton's of noise and blurring. Don't notice any of these issues with the Sammy. I'm coming from lcd, which is supposed to not handle sports well, and my 4 yr old lcd did a better job at it than the Panasonic plasma. I will say blu ray looked outstanding on the Panasonic, however 95% of our viewing is not blu ray, plus blu ray on the Sammy is no slouch either. To each there own. As long as everyone is happy with what they have, that's all that matters.

Thats true, its all about finding what works for you.
Funny cuz I too watch alot of sports, and i think they look just as good on the Panny as they did on the Sammy. Everything looks more realistic and to me thats really what its all about.

The tv doesn't end up making much difference for me for sports, because my cable company introduces so much compression.


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post #3689 of 9715
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Well with the Samsung the blacks aren't nearly as good, the colors aren't as good, the contrast isn't as good, the screen isn't as bright, they tend to have irritating brightness fluctuations, and a seemingly higher chance of getting a defective buzzer. What i love about the Samsungs though is it's better processing on poorer content, and it's crisper image (this is the only complaint that i have with my GT50).

A very simple and accurate summary of the overall situation wink.gif

I'd like to add the simple observation that the processing issues with the Panasonic can be remedied whereas the issues with the Samsung can not.
post #3690 of 9715
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

A very simple and accurate summary of the overall situation wink.gif
I'd like to add the simple observation that the processing issues with the Panasonic can be remedied whereas the issues with the Samsung can not.

Add the Panasonics appear to be more prone to developing very stubbor IR issues, which many times can't be remedied and are much more annoying long term than the Samsung issues. And the Samsung issues of color and blacks are very subjective and can be ignored, whereas IR cannot be ignored.
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