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post #3781 of 9036
9/24/12 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

The side bar selection is grayed out, no pun intended. rolleyes.gif
I should be set with stretching 4:3 video via the STB and avoid the black bars altogether.

If its grayed out, you don't have the mode set to 4:3.

This feature doesn't "detect" 4:3 content, it applies the chosen effect to the screen when YOU set the size to 4:3. (at least on DTV signals, I no longer have any analog inputs)

If you choose 4:3 as the size, the options will become available. The TV does have channel specific memory so if you set 4:3 for a channel like MeTV that plays old 4:3 content it will switch to 4:3 automatically on that station if you want it to. It's not detecting 4:3 content; its just applying the setting previously used for that channel.
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post #3782 of 9036
9/24/12 at 9:05pm
yup, 4/3 allows the bars to be set to gray.
if I remember the Fios box settings, there is passthrough- lets the station send there standard either 480. 720. 1080. then the TV will get 4/3 and allow the bars to be gray. trouble is if you are using HDMI, the channel changing will take longer because the resolution changes and the TV has to adjust. Can cause issues.
The stretch mode on STB stretches everything and you would not like the missing parts of the pic on HD channels.
Component would be good if you set your box to passthrough.
Kind of sucks that fios boxes are like that.
I have cable with a cisco box and can set the side bar color on the STB. But I don't have the
band width pf fios. O well
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post #3783 of 9036
9/25/12 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by Rhialto View Post

Anyone with a 3D camera and use their GT50 to watch those in big 3D? Just curious if you also noticed crosstalk...
The fact is I just bought that TV and was a bit shocked when I saw crosstalk. I waited for so long to buy a first HDTV! For the last 3 years I was eyeing the VT/GT line and was convinced those were the best for PQ in 2D but also among the best for viewing 3D content. I still believe the 2D is amazing but being a fan of 3D like me, well... I haven't watched anything else in 3D since and would probably enjoy moviesbut for now my mind is stiuck on this little disappointment.

When I first got my tv the 3d was perfect. Then I updated the firmware and it broke it, maybe you're having the same problem? After trying to get Panasonic to do anything about it I just gave up. Switching to 48hz from 60hz helped slightly, but it's not like it was before. Even when the crosstalk is minimal the depth is pathetic. On the uk forums you see people actually complaining about the firmware ruining the 3d and Panasonic doing something about it. Seems to effect a very small amount of sets, or people just aren't noticing. It seemed to effect sbs content more for me.
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post #3784 of 9036
9/25/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Erath View Post

When I first got my tv the 3d was perfect. Then I updated the firmware and it broke it, maybe you're having the same problem?

Damn, should have tested before updating it after 1st power up. Haven't tested video and I wonder if what you're talking about may have influenced 3D photos also?

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After trying to get Panasonic to do anything about it I just gave up.

Write on their facebook page (panasonictv IIRC) and you should get an answer.
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post #3785 of 9036
9/25/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Erath View Post

When I first got my tv the 3d was perfect. Then I updated the firmware and it broke it, maybe you're having the same problem? After trying to get Panasonic to do anything about it I just gave up. Switching to 48hz from 60hz helped slightly, but it's not like it was before. Even when the crosstalk is minimal the depth is pathetic. On the uk forums you see people actually complaining about the firmware ruining the 3d and Panasonic doing something about it. Seems to effect a very small amount of sets, or people just aren't noticing. It seemed to effect sbs content more for me.

Wow! I guess I am NOT going to update the firmware on my TV!
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post #3786 of 9036
9/25/12 at 10:07pm
Hey guys, another issue today! I was watching a movie and I started to notice that during sections where there is heavy bass the tv speakers would vibrate and shake the back frame of the tv on the right side, so I would hear a loud buzzing noise from the metal frame shaking loudly. If I press down on a certain spot near the right side of the back of the TV the shaking stops and the noise goes away. Does anyone know what I;m talking about? I imagine most of you probably have a dedicated sound system and you don't use the TV speakers?
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post #3787 of 9036
9/26/12 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by loganclaws View Post

Hey guys, another issue today! I was watching a movie and I started to notice that during sections where there is heavy bass the tv speakers would vibrate and shake the back frame of the tv on the right side, so I would hear a loud buzzing noise from the metal frame shaking loudly. If I press down on a certain spot near the right side of the back of the TV the shaking stops and the noise goes away. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I imagine most of you probably have a dedicated sound system and you don't use the TV speakers?
Right. You're talking about high volume, heavy base, and a cheap speaker system in a plastic enclosure. wink.gif

Yes, many people at AVS have external sound systems. smile.gif
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post #3788 of 9036
9/26/12 at 6:50am
Hi:

Latest model GT50 here. When accessing Netflix via my remote, I am unable to display either subtitles
or closed captioning for any source I have tried. Can you help?

Thanks
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post #3789 of 9036
9/26/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by znoddy View Post

Hi:
Latest model GT50 here. When accessing Netflix via my remote, I am unable to display either subtitles
or closed captioning for any source I have tried. Can you help?
Thanks
I figured it out. Thanks anyway.
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post #3790 of 9036
9/26/12 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by Erath View Post

When I first got my tv the 3d was perfect. Then I updated the firmware and it broke it, maybe you're having the same problem? After trying to get Panasonic to do anything about it I just gave up. Switching to 48hz from 60hz helped slightly, but it's not like it was before. Even when the crosstalk is minimal the depth is pathetic. On the uk forums you see people actually complaining about the firmware ruining the 3d and Panasonic doing something about it. Seems to effect a very small amount of sets, or people just aren't noticing. It seemed to effect sbs content more for me.


Hmmmm I only have one poor copy of a 3D movie (Wrath of the Titans). I never saw it under the original 1.03 firmware. I was probaly using the 1.15 at the time and now I'm using the 1.17 from last week. Overall, it looked fine. The depth was fine and I didn't notice any cross talk. Some scenes were kinda flat but that has to be the source. If it were the TV, the entire movie would have been flat.

I just turned on the 2D-3D conversion while watching the Nightly Business Report. It looks pretty good (to my surprise.) It's kinda like I could reach into the screen. Nothing is crawling out of the screen but i have no idea what it looked like with 1.03 installed.

Rather than ramble, can I suggest doing a factory reset from the service menu. (you will need to find the magic button sequence). I have seen instances in the past (with unrelated electronic devices) where un-expected results occurred when software upgrades were applied over "un-expected" initial conditions. Other times a full reset will clear "flags" that were set in factory set-up by one software team that were not fully considered by later software update teams. This would be what I would try first.

I'm assuming you have gone into the menus and picked the desired level of 3D depth you want ????
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post #3791 of 9036
9/27/12 at 10:45am
Hope my post isn't considered "hijacking" but since this is just a discussion thread for the GT50 I wanted to mention this. I know there have been discussions of faint vertical banding on the 50 series of Panasonic TV's this year. I've always noticed it since I bought the TV but I wasn't sure if it was just I.R or not. Multiple screen swipes from the built-in Anti I.R have done nothing to remove the faint lines. It does work very well for faint logos of I.R but these lines are a result from faulty manufacturing and after seeing other forums show this I decided to contact Panasonic and have them send out a repair technician. The lines appear easily while watching football, golf or any movie that has a light background. I think this is very poor of Panasonic especially since they are the most prominent Plasma TV maker. The appointment isn't happening until next week and I am going to insist that they replace this screen as I am not convinced this is repairable. I went to my local electronics store and to a couple of Best Buy stores and I saw the GT and VT50 and both of them had vertical banding. My local electronics store only had an ST50 and it was perfect. No banding or faint lines on the right side or left of the screen as it appears on my GT50.
Here are some screen shots of my GT50. Once the technician looks at my set I will post again with an update. Is anyone else experiencing these vertical bands? If not, could you please post when you bought your TV and what model do you have? I bought mine when the 50 Series was first released earlier this year. Not too happy right now. In the back of my mind I keep wondering if I should've bought the Samsung E7000/8000 series. I saw those at an electronics store yesterday and their screens were perfect and I haven't seen one forum discussing banding on the Samsung TV's. How is a consumer suppose to know what is the least problematic TV on the market when the experts are highly recommending certain TV's that still have problems? Seems like Samsung has it's issues as well. 100_0721.JPG 323k .JPG file
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post #3792 of 9036
9/27/12 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Hope my post isn't considered "hijacking" but since this is just a discussion thread for the GT50 I wanted to mention this. I know there have been discussions of faint vertical banding on the 50 series of Panasonic TV's this year. I've always noticed it since I bought the TV but I wasn't sure if it was just I.R or not. Multiple screen swipes from the built-in Anti I.R have done nothing to remove the faint lines. It does work very well for faint logos of I.R but these lines are a result from faulty manufacturing and after seeing other forums show this I decided to contact Panasonic and have them send out a repair technician. The lines appear easily while watching football, golf or any movie that has a light background. I think this is very poor of Panasonic especially since they are the most prominent Plasma TV maker. The appointment isn't happening until next week and I am going to insist that they replace this screen as I am not convinced this is repairable. I went to my local electronics store and to a couple of Best Buy stores and I saw the GT and VT50 and both of them had vertical banding. My local electronics store only had an ST50 and it was perfect. No banding or faint lines on the right side or left of the screen as it appears on my GT50.
Here are some screen shots of my GT50. Once the technician looks at my set I will post again with an update. Is anyone else experiencing these vertical bands? If not, could you please post when you bought your TV and what model do you have? I bought mine when the 50 Series was first released earlier this year. Not too happy right now. In the back of my mind I keep wondering if I should've bought the Samsung E7000/8000 series. I saw those at an electronics store yesterday and their screens were perfect and I haven't seen one forum discussing banding on the Samsung TV's. How is a consumer suppose to know what is the least problematic TV on the market when the experts are highly recommending certain TV's that still have problems? Seems like Samsung has it's issues as well. 100_0721.JPG 323k .JPG file

Some people truly have no vertical bands or band. Some I feel believe they have no vertical bands but simply do not watch content which brings it out (eg golf, football, anything with a flat field background). Quite a lot of owners on both sides of the Atlantic have at least one vertical band (I know Chad B's GT50 has one). I have one faint band on the right. Looking at the image you have posted I would not accept that. That is simply too much. Can they fix that? I don't think so, short of replacing the whole panel although I would not be surprised if they try and replace the A-board which is attempted many times by Panasonic I have heard but not with one success in solving the problem. Hopefully Panasonic replace your panel or TV. If it were simply one vertical band I believe it would not be replaced as a few have been told by Panasonic that this is "within specification" (the usual mantra) and is a result of the manufacturing process. Yours is not good and I would really push very hard for a replacement. If that replacement happens to have just one faint band, no dead and stuck pixels and generally good uniformity with no blobs and no buzzing then I would say you might well have to accept that. Ideally you would have no band or bands at all.
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post #3793 of 9036
9/27/12 at 12:07pm
I just received my GT50 yesterday and all is great except, I can't get external audio when I'm on TV. I receive HD signals through my cable without a cable box, so I have the cable connected with the cable/antenna input. The set's speakers play audio fine, but when I turn off the set speakers, I hear nothing from my external amp's speakers. I have the external amp's input connected to the Audio Out optical cable. Audio works fine when I'm using HDMI inputs from external sources. I only hear a popping noise from my external amp when I change channels on my TV. Is this normal, do I have something set wrong, or is the set defective? Thanks for any answers.
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post #3794 of 9036
9/27/12 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

Some people truly have no vertical bands or band. Some I feel believe they have no vertical bands but simply do not watch content which brings it out (eg golf, football, anything with a flat field background). Quite a lot of owners on both sides of the Atlantic have at least one vertical band (I know Chad B's GT50 has one). I have one faint band on the right. Looking at the image you have posted I would not accept that. That is simply too much. Can they fix that? I don't think so, short of replacing the whole panel although I would not be surprised if they try and replace the A-board which is attempted many times by Panasonic I have heard but not with one success in solving the problem. Hopefully Panasonic replace your panel or TV. If it were simply one vertical band I believe it would not be replaced as a few have been told by Panasonic that this is "within specification" (the usual mantra) and is a result of the manufacturing process. Yours is not good and I would really push very hard for a replacement. If that replacement happens to have just one faint band, no dead and stuck pixels and generally good uniformity with no blobs and no buzzing then I would say you might well have to accept that. Ideally you would have no band or bands at all.

Thanks so much for replying and thanks for your recommendations. I wasn't sure if I was being too picky as I do understand electronics in general will have flaws but I did think that like you that it was worse than "normal". Not sure what an "A Board" is? Is that a part from the original build? I will press hard for them to replace it and I if they do I hope it's from more recent parts. I still prefer the Panasonic over the Samsung but Panasonic should not be sending out products like this. It would be understandable if wasn't so widespread. Wondering if their test machines had faint vertical bands? Panasonic has to have seen this issue by now. Thanks again and I'll report back with an update after the service tech looks over the TV.
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post #3795 of 9036
9/27/12 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Oldandslow View Post

I just received my GT50 yesterday and all is great except, I can't get external audio when I'm on TV. I receive HD signals through my cable without a cable box, so I have the cable connected with the cable/antenna input. The set's speakers play audio fine, but when I turn off the set speakers, I hear nothing from my external amp's speakers. I have the external amp's input connected to the Audio Out optical cable. Audio works fine when I'm using HDMI inputs from external sources. I only hear a popping noise from my external amp when I change channels on my TV. Is this normal, do I have something set wrong, or is the set defective? Thanks for any answers.

I just checked my GT50 using the TV's tuner (but in Roof Antenna mode instead of Cable-From-the-Wall mode) and when i turn the TV's speakers to OFF i still get audio to my AV Receiver via the TV's Optical Audio output.

Are you using Viera Link by any chance? When Viera Link is set to ON you gain the ability to set the Default Speakers to "TV" or "Theater" so if you're using Viera LInk and the Default Speakers are set to "TV", try changing it to "Theater" and see if that sends audio to your HT Receiver. I'm nut using Viera LInk so my Default Speaker setting is grayed out and i can't test it for you, but it's a shot in the dark.
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post #3796 of 9036
9/27/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Thanks so much for replying and thanks for your recommendations. I wasn't sure if I was being too picky as I do understand electronics in general will have flaws but I did think that like you that it was worse than "normal". Not sure what an "A Board" is? Is that a part from the original build? I will press hard for them to replace it and I if they do I hope it's from more recent parts. I still prefer the Panasonic over the Samsung but Panasonic should not be sending out products like this. It would be understandable if wasn't so widespread. Wondering if their test machines had faint vertical bands? Panasonic has to have seen this issue by now. Thanks again and I'll report back with an update after the service tech looks over the TV.

I probably was not clear in my original post, but what I was trying to communicate is that for your particular problem Panasonic seems, in several cases, to have tried to fix this problem of vertical bands by replacing the A-Board. I do not know of anybody's problem of a vertical band being fixed by replacing the A-Board. You obviously cannot tell them what to do and not what to do and I assume when the technician comes out just make sure that you show the problem to him with material that shows this problem clearly. Slides will show it up (20-30 IRE most often) and what makes it most irritating - and which will show it up in normal content - is something like football, hockey or golf with sky shots. The latter is important because you may get the "but who looks at gray slides?". When you can show this in normal content then clearly it is important and shows the flaw. I had mentioned one well-known calibrator having a band and I just recalled a very highly respected reviewer in the UK, David Mackenzie of HDTVTest, who has several lighter bands I believe on the right hand third of his ST50. So you are clearly not alone and in some distinguished company smile.gif. As regards what the A-board is, I posted a few days ago on this point to someone who has the same problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430806/panasonic-st50-vertical-banding-worsened-overnight/0_60#post_22436433

People use the phrase "banding" (as in that thread above) which really is not correct as banding is more commonly used for the problem of posterization. However, to use the word vertical band or bands I think is fine.
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post #3797 of 9036
9/27/12 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I just checked my GT50 using the TV's tuner (but in Roof Antenna mode instead of Cable-From-the-Wall mode) and when i turn the TV's speakers to OFF i still get audio to my AV Receiver via the TV's Optical Audio output.
Are you using Viera Link by any chance? When Viera Link is set to ON you gain the ability to set the Default Speakers to "TV" or "Theater" so if you're using Viera LInk and the Default Speakers are set to "TV", try changing it to "Theater" and see if that sends audio to your HT Receiver. I'm nut using Viera LInk so my Default Speaker setting is grayed out and i can't test it for you, but it's a shot in the dark.

Thanks for the response.

No, I'm not using Viera Link and when I go to Viera Link the TV Speaker is greyed out so I can't change it. I am using a digital to analog convertor on my audio cable as my AV Amp is old, and doesn't have an optical input, only analog. I wonder if that has something to do with it? It works fine with HDMI inputs, just not cable.

EDIT: OK, I think I found out what the trouble is. Maybe this will help someone else. I bought a Digital Audio To Analog Audio Converter that won't handle Dobly Digital 5.1. I bought a GeFen model that will work stereo signals only. I needed a more expensive model (naturally), model GTV-DD-2-AA which will handle all signals. I switched from cable input to antenna and the sound came through the convertor fine. It just won't work on Dolby Digital on cable. I ordered the more expensive model and will send the cheaper one back.

Thanks, Randy Walters.
Edited by Oldandslow - 9/27/12 at 3:00pm
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post #3798 of 9036
9/27/12 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by Oldandslow View Post

... EDIT: OK, I think I found out what the trouble is. Maybe this will help someone else. I bought a Digital Audio To Analog Audio Converter that won't handle Dobly Digital 5.1. I bought a GeFen model that will work stereo signals only. I needed a more expensive model (naturally), model GTV-DD-2-AA which will handle all signals. I switched from cable input to antenna and the sound came through the convertor fine. It just won't work on Dolby Digital on cable. I ordered the more expensive model and will send the cheaper one back.
Thanks, Randy Walters.

Yep, the basic boxes usually do not have AC3 (DD 5.1) decoders. They are only designed to convert PCM signals to stereo.

If you go with one of the "mid grade" decoders they will often handle AC3 and some of the other popular formats like DTS but they still only output 2-channel stereo. You can keep going up in price and get a unit that has multi-channel outputs but I'm guessing your receiver is stereo / pro-logic and doesn't have mult-channel inputs. If you just want stereo a converter will be OK, but you may want to shop around for a new digital receiver with 5.1 capabilities. You can pick-up a basic digital unit for $100 - 150. You can also go high end and put down $1000 +

There are also a variety of "pre-packaged" home theater surround systems including receiver, speakers, and a sub.
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post #3799 of 9036
9/27/12 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Oldandslow View Post

Thanks for the response.
No, I'm not using Viera Link and when I go to Viera Link the TV Speaker is greyed out so I can't change it. I am using a digital to analog convertor on my audio cable as my AV Amp is old, and doesn't have an optical input, only analog. I wonder if that has something to do with it? It works fine with HDMI inputs, just not cable.
EDIT: OK, I think I found out what the trouble is. Maybe this will help someone else. I bought a Digital Audio To Analog Audio Converter that won't handle Dobly Digital 5.1. I bought a GeFen model that will work stereo signals only. I needed a more expensive model (naturally), model GTV-DD-2-AA which will handle all signals. I switched from cable input to antenna and the sound came through the convertor fine. It just won't work on Dolby Digital on cable. I ordered the more expensive model and will send the cheaper one back.
Thanks, Randy Walters.

Yes the cheaper PCM-only digital to audio converters won't support ac3 (dolby digital) format that the Panasonic digital audio outputs from digital/HD channels via the internal tuner.
You would need a more expensive model or a receiver capable of dolby digital.
You could probably buy a used stereo receiver with dolby digital capability for the price of the more expensive converter though - I'm using a 10 year old Denon 5.1 receiver that supports DD and DTS on optical audio input.

I don't know why Panasonic doesn't have an item in the setup menu to select PCM vs bitstream (DD) output on the optical digital audio output. Other manufacturers have such an item on other model TVs I believe. That would allow use of cheaper converters for use with headphones since they aren't providing a simple RCA or sub-mini stereo analog audio output jack anymore;
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post #3800 of 9036
9/27/12 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by loganclaws View Post

Hey guys, another issue today! I was watching a movie and I started to notice that during sections where there is heavy bass the tv speakers would vibrate and shake the back frame of the tv on the right side, so I would hear a loud buzzing noise from the metal frame shaking loudly. If I press down on a certain spot near the right side of the back of the TV the shaking stops and the noise goes away. Does anyone know what I;m talking about? I imagine most of you probably have a dedicated sound system and you don't use the TV speakers?

My LG 50 series from several years ago has this issue. I mentioned it to a TV repair man and on that model, there is a rubber piece over the speaker that falls and leaves metal of the speaker vibrating on the frame of the TV.

Anyway, ordered my GT50 and it will arrive on Tues AM. I notice that Amazon has 9 open box for a couple hundred off. I wonder if they have banding issues and were returned and Amazon is shipping them back out. Keeping my fingers crossed I don't have any issues. These new technology TVs...if only I can get one that lasts more than 5 or 6 years, has yet to happen. Oldest HDTV I know about is the RP HDTV 1080i Hitachi Ultravision I sold to a friend when I got my Mitsubishi LED in 2008.
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post #3801 of 9036
9/27/12 at 6:27pm
Question. Does it ship with the stand on, I hope? The only other TV this large I've unboxed was a 55" Sammy LED about 5 or 6 years ago and it was on the stand. But my 37" LG in my bedroom wasn't.
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post #3802 of 9036
9/27/12 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by size14d View Post

Question. Does it ship with the stand on, I hope?

Nope. The stand is packed separate. You have to assemble the stand then lower the TV onto the upright part. A few tips about the stand installation on these 2012 models:

(1.) Use a #2 size Phillips Tip Screwdriver - DO NOT USE a smaller #1 size as it doesn't properly fit the slots and it will slip and strip the screw head. The #2 tip fit's properly. The screw heads are somewhat soft and some people here have stripped the screw head's slots making it almost impossible to get the screw back out and that can only happen by using too small of a screwdriver tip, or overtightening the screw, or both. I slightly stripped the head of one of my four screws with a #1 tip before realizing the screwdriver was too small. The #2 tip fits properly and works perfectly.

(2.) When you insert the base's upright steel tab into the big slot in the bottom of the TV, leave those four screws slightly loose so when you place the TV on the table or credenza, you can nudge the TV to adjust the amount of left/right lean and level the TV out before tightening those screws. Mine (as well as others here) was leaning badly to one side at first, so i loosened the screws just enough to nudge the TV back to level, then i re-tightened them. You don't need to crank the screws down tight - just snug them firmly. I used two new Post-It note pads under the left and right corners of my TV and they were the perfect height to get both sides dead even.
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post #3803 of 9036
9/27/12 at 7:07pm
Thanks for the info Randy!


Well this is going to be interesting. I am having it delivered by Amazon's Enhanced Delivery where they unbox the TV and wait and check it out and makes sure it works. Are they going to hang around while I assemble the TV stand. This should be great with a herniated disc.

The last TV delivered by them was a 46" while they had, "White Glove" delivery and it was already on the stand when they got it out of the box.

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A representative of a common carrier will deliver your TV to any room suitable for testing, unpack it, ensure that it is working properly to guarantee no damage occurred during transportation, and dispose of all packaging material.

Edited by size14d - 9/27/12 at 7:15pm
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post #3804 of 9036
9/27/12 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

Quite a lot of owners on both sides of the Atlantic have at least one vertical band (I know Chad B's GT50 has one).

Mine does have it, but I never notice it because a) it's so faint even with full fields it doesn't draw attention to itself and b) I just keep reveling in the overall beauty of the picture! It's like a gorgeous woman with a great personality, perfect figure, and impeccable oral hygiene tongue.gif with a slightly misshaped pinky toe. Who cares? Not me.
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post #3805 of 9036
9/28/12 at 6:06am
Sorry, you guys are smokin'...

When I bought a $2000 TV, I didn't expect it to come with the potential of vertical bars or uneven wear. It's now no surprise to me why plasma was dropped by so many manufacturers. They should come with warning labels! eek.gif

Yes, the PQ and blacks for the price compared to LED/LCD are great- that's why I bought the set.
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post #3806 of 9036
9/28/12 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Sorry, you guys are smokin'...
When I bought a $2000 TV, I didn't expect it to come with the potential of vertical bars or uneven wear. It's now no surprise to me why plasma was dropped by so many manufacturers. They should come with warning labels! eek.gif
Yes, the PQ and blacks for the price compared to LED/LCD are great- that's why I bought the set.
LED/LCD has the potential (and in some cases a virtual guarantee) for uneven backlighting, which presents variously as clouding, banding, flashlighting, etc. Those sorts of flaws are more prevalent among LCD than plasma. There is no perfect tech, you must weigh the pros and cons for yourself.
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post #3807 of 9036
9/28/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by greenjp View Post

LED/LCD has the potential (and in some cases a virtual guarantee) for uneven backlighting, which presents variously as clouding, banding, flashlighting, etc. Those sorts of flaws are more prevalent among LCD than plasma. There is no perfect tech, you must weigh the pros and cons for yourself.

+1....
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post #3808 of 9036
9/28/12 at 8:58am
Agreed there's no perfect technology. I just want to know my issues upfront and assess them when I use the product the first 30 days during the return period. In my experience owning a LED/LCD, they don't significantly degrade over 30-120 days time. You're generally going to see your dead pixels and uneven backlighting right away, and you can return it if you don't like it. Unfortunately, it may take a few months to see issues with a plasma, and then there's no recourse.

This is not the thread for a LCD/LED vs Plasma debate. I'm just pointing out the issues I see with this particular series of TVs that I own. It's totally possible the Samsung E8000 series wouldn't have displayed the uneven phosphor wear I experienced with the GT50.
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9/28/12 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Agreed there's no perfect technology. I just want to know my issues upfront and assess them when I use the product the first 30 days during the return period. In my experience owning a LED/LCD, they don't significantly degrade over 30-120 days time. You're generally going to see your dead pixels and uneven backlighting right away, and you can return it if you don't like it. Unfortunately, it may take a few months to see issues with a plasma, and then there's no recourse.
This is not the thread for a LCD/LED vs Plasma debate. I'm just pointing out the issues I see with this particular series of TVs that I own. It's totally possible the Samsung E8000 series wouldn't have displayed the uneven phosphor wear I experienced with the GT50.

I'm sorry for your issues, uneven phosphor wear caused by 4;3 content is a tachnology limitation for all plasmas unfortunately, I personally never watch any 4:3 content without stretching it.
Edited by chunon - 9/28/12 at 11:08am
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9/28/12 at 11:24am
The guys from Best Buy just dropped off my 60" GT50. Wow I'm really having a good day!!!

So I'm watching my only Bluray disc (red riding hood) twice through so far on full zoom mode just so I don't get off on the wrong foot with black bars and logos.

Is it worth while to painstakingly avoid logos and bars for an extended period of time??? how long? I'm paranoid from this thread, so much so that when I was calibrating my speakers with receiver menu on screen, and downloading the software update for the TV, and loading the blue ray disc....I was worried about static patterns.

THe set looks beautiful and my only qualm is the hum. I can hear it gently hum from my chair when the room is silent. It is not a perfectly consistent buzz, but more like an intermittent hum. I might learn to live with it... I can hear my refrigerator about 50' away... I guess "its a machine".

Any feedback about the humming? My old TV was a Samsung DLP (the kind with the built in pedestal... from long ago and strangely I found it VERY hard to commit to an upgrade.. I love that set with its matte screen). When I first got that ol DLP, there was a humming that drove me bonkers. I tried all kinds of crazy ways to mute it, putting foam behind the tv... crazy stuff. My wife was aggravated by me, not the hum. But a strange thing happened.... somewhere along the way I forgot about it completely and lived with the TV many years.

I'm wondering if the plasma hum is like that? I certainly can't hear it with normal volume.

I hate to be a return-zilla... I can be, but I don't like to be. Any guidelines on "how much hum to live with"? My first plasma...
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