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post #3841 of 9713
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

Seriously? Really?!
What?
post #3842 of 9713
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Originally Posted by cdub5 View Post

Seriously? Really?!

Yes, seriously.
post #3843 of 9713
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

You guys should look close to buying from Best Buy. In most areas of the country they match prices, even from Amazon. They also guarantee that price for 30 days, with as many price matches as you come up with - not just one like Amazon.
They also deliver and set up the TV (with 2 guys, I don't know how anyone can expect a customer to help bring a tv in).
Not an employee, but a very happy customer. I just went back in this week and they 'price matched' a $200 gift card they were giving out.

Best Buy's sales and profit have been in decline for years. The stock price has lost 2/3 of its value over just the last 2 years. They are now trying everything they can do to generate more revenue. Price matching on-line merchants like Amazon is the latest effort to stop the revenue slide but its also killing their profit.

Now that the GT50 has been out for a while, they are more willing to negotiate a competitive price. When I got mine from Amazon I also got a price match from Paul's TV. I gave Best Buy the final chance because they are local but the manager said no-way. My price was below their cost. Maybe the price on the GT50 has stabilized at a high enough point or maybe BB has realized they will go the way of Circuit City in another year or two if they don't give the consumer what he wants.

I was willing to pay a little more from BB to avoid the hassle of dealing with freight shipping but I wasn't willing to give them a 25% premium. Its amazing how fast BB has slackened its price match policy. 10 years ago they refused to match a Circuit City offer from a store a few hundred yards away because it wasn't part of a national advertisement.

I don't think this will end well for BB but if you can get your GT50 there for a decent price, I say go for it but I'm a bit wary of the extended warranty in view of the companies overall health.
post #3844 of 9713
Getting my 65GT50 tomorrow!!!! Can't wait!
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For those who have bought their TVs recently and are under a pricing guarantee, you might want to head over to Amazon and take a peep.
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Originally Posted by size14d View Post

For those who have bought their TVs recently and are under a pricing guarantee, you might want to head over to Amazon and take a peep.

I was hoping they dropped the 60" back down to $1899 frown.gif At one point, Best Buy even matched that. It was about 6 weeks ago.
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Does anyone use the 1080p pure direct option? And if so, what for? My viewing will be uverse, PC, bluray.
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Bought my 60" GT50 about amonth ago when Best Buy and Amazon were doing the $1899 match. Went with BB in the end for the local shipping, and they through in the 36 month no interest deal. I didn't really need the financing, but it's kinda like free money, and I recieved approx. $50 in rewards coupons as well.biggrin.gif
post #3849 of 9713
1 more day! Found the user manual online. http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60GT50?t=manuals
post #3850 of 9713
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Does anyone use the 1080p pure direct option? And if so, what for? My viewing will be uverse, PC, bluray.

I use it. I paid for it, so I want to take advantage of it. Does it make a difference? Probably not. Keep in mind that the only way to take advantage
of the 1080p Pure Direct is by send the GT50 at 4-4-4 Color Space conversion. I've tested this and other color spaces don't work (the 1080 PureDirect
is greyed out). I run my Oppo 95 in Source Direct at 4-4-4 to my 65GT50 1080p Pure Direct. I now have a Darbee Vision Presence between the
Oppo and the GT50. It processes in RGB but converts back to 4-4-4. My picture is stunning to view.
post #3851 of 9713
So with a $2k tv you need to use a darbee? Does it come with the tv?
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My 65GT50 will be here on Wednesday. My usual concerns upon delivery are that there are no dead pixels and cracks on the screen. And as I usually do to prep for the arrival, I read the forums and get to know my TV more. And as usual, the forums are usually more like a hospital where you find out what's wrong with your TV. Thus was the case as I was reading through page after page and got to the part about how the GT50 is soft, especially when it comes to 720p material. Doh! eek.gif

So now I hear that I have to get this Darbee thing, which is currently selling for $349. I'm sure I would like the PQ without the Darbee, but I'm the type of guy where I would I want to have the best picture possible out of my display. I was planning on having my set calibrated, but I probably won't if I get the Darbee. I have Directv (HR-24) so I guess I should break-in the set first and see if the PQ is good enough for me. But like I said, my mind will keep scratching at me knowing that the Darbee will provide an even better picture.

Either way I guess I should be thankful that there's even a solution to the softness issue. And I guess I should be thankful that I can afford the solution. The GT50 will be my first 3D set, but my 4th plasma. I've had a Pio 5070, which I gave to my mom when I upgraded to a 65V10, and I also have a 42S1. The Pio was definitely my favorite picture and I'm hoping the GT50 will be at least equivalent to that, if not better.
post #3853 of 9713
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

My 65GT50 will be here on Wednesday. My usual concerns upon delivery are that there are no dead pixels and cracks on the screen. And as I usually do to prep for the arrival, I read the forums and get to know my TV more. And as usual, the forums are usually more like a hospital where you find out what's wrong with your TV. Thus was the case as I was reading through page after page and got to the part about how the GT50 is soft, especially when it comes to 720p material. Doh! eek.gif
So now I hear that I have to get this Darbee thing, which is currently selling for $349. I'm sure I would like the PQ without the Darbee, but I'm the type of guy where I would I want to have the best picture possible out of my display. I was planning on having my set calibrated, but I probably won't if I get the Darbee. I have Directv (HR-24) so I guess I should break-in the set first and see if the PQ is good enough for me. But like I said, my mind will keep scratching at me knowing that the Darbee will provide an even better picture.
Either way I guess I should be thankful that there's even a solution to the softness issue. And I guess I should be thankful that I can afford the solution. The GT50 will be my first 3D set, but my 4th plasma. I've had a Pio 5070, which I gave to my mom when I upgraded to a 65V10, and I also have a 42S1. The Pio was definitely my favorite picture and I'm hoping the GT50 will be at least equivalent to that, if not better.

I 65GT coming this week as well and already own a Darbee so I can report back what I think after this weekend. On my current DLP I do feel it makes some minor improvements and I was on the fence about sending it back till I used it with my PS3. Unreal the difference it makes on games and at times it's like a film is being wiped from the screen. If anything pick one up and if you don't like it send it back. I'm pretty sure you have 30 days if you buy it from the AVS store.

Sidenote for those owners who don't mount this TV and have small children. Do you use any aftermarket tools to prevent the TV from tipping? Is this even a concern?
post #3854 of 9713
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

My 65GT50 will be here on Wednesday. My usual concerns upon delivery are that there are no dead pixels and cracks on the screen. And as I usually do to prep for the arrival, I read the forums and get to know my TV more. And as usual, the forums are usually more like a hospital where you find out what's wrong with your TV. Thus was the case as I was reading through page after page and got to the part about how the GT50 is soft, especially when it comes to 720p material. Doh! eek.gif
So now I hear that I have to get this Darbee thing, which is currently selling for $349. I'm sure I would like the PQ without the Darbee, but I'm the type of guy where I would I want to have the best picture possible out of my display. I was planning on having my set calibrated, but I probably won't if I get the Darbee. I have Directv (HR-24) so I guess I should break-in the set first and see if the PQ is good enough for me. But like I said, my mind will keep scratching at me knowing that the Darbee will provide an even better picture.
Either way I guess I should be thankful that there's even a solution to the softness issue. And I guess I should be thankful that I can afford the solution. The GT50 will be my first 3D set, but my 4th plasma. I've had a Pio 5070, which I gave to my mom when I upgraded to a 65V10, and I also have a 42S1. The Pio was definitely my favorite picture and I'm hoping the GT50 will be at least equivalent to that, if not better.

You should have checked out the Samsung e7000 where you don't need the darbee.
post #3855 of 9713
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

My 65GT50 will be here on Wednesday. My usual concerns upon delivery are that there are no dead pixels and cracks on the screen. And as I usually do to prep for the arrival, I read the forums and get to know my TV more. And as usual, the forums are usually more like a hospital where you find out what's wrong with your TV. Thus was the case as I was reading through page after page and got to the part about how the GT50 is soft, especially when it comes to 720p material. Doh! eek.gif
So now I hear that I have to get this Darbee thing, which is currently selling for $349. I'm sure I would like the PQ without the Darbee, but I'm the type of guy where I would I want to have the best picture possible out of my display. I was planning on having my set calibrated, but I probably won't if I get the Darbee. I have Directv (HR-24) so I guess I should break-in the set first and see if the PQ is good enough for me. But like I said, my mind will keep scratching at me knowing that the Darbee will provide an even better picture.
Either way I guess I should be thankful that there's even a solution to the softness issue. And I guess I should be thankful that I can afford the solution. The GT50 will be my first 3D set, but my 4th plasma. I've had a Pio 5070, which I gave to my mom when I upgraded to a 65V10, and I also have a 42S1. The Pio was definitely my favorite picture and I'm hoping the GT50 will be at least equivalent to that, if not better.

You dont need the Darbee.....I have Direct TV..I set the Direct TV box to upconvert to 1080i and everything looks great!
post #3856 of 9713
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

So with a $2k tv you need to use a darbee? Does it come with the tv?

Well, if Darbee Vision has their way, it would likely come inside the TV as a processing feature. IMO, it would be much better than A LOT of the processing 'things' that are in TV's now! And no, you don't have to get a Darbee with a $2k TV. However, many including myself love what it does with an already great picture. YMMV.
post #3857 of 9713
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

You should have checked out the Samsung e7000 where you don't need the darbee.

Not true. In all likelihood, the Darbee will also enhance the PQ of the Samsung, as it has been shown to do with MANY users nationwide will all kinds of different mfg. set-ups.
post #3858 of 9713
Question,

My Mom has this TV and says that Best Buy came out to calibrate it and now there is motion blur during action scenes. She said it was not an issue before they made the changes. Just wondering if anyone has come across this. My guess is it is just a setting that needs to be changed, but I am not for sure.

Thanks in advance!

Mark
post #3859 of 9713
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Originally Posted by vkowalski1970 View Post

You dont need the Darbee.....I have Direct TV..I set the Direct TV box to upconvert to 1080i and everything looks great!

Thanks for your input. I will set my box to output 1080i and I'm sure it will look great. But perhaps the Darbee will make it even better. Have you seen any comparisons?
post #3860 of 9713
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

Thanks for your input. I will set my box to output 1080i and I'm sure it will look great. But perhaps the Darbee will make it even better. Have you seen any comparisons?

I have not, I have been happy with the PQ so I havent even looked. I do agree that bad input equals bad output, but thats the same with anything...
post #3861 of 9713
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Originally Posted by mark1280 View Post

Question,
My Mom has this TV and says that Best Buy came out to calibrate it and now there is motion blur during action scenes. She said it was not an issue before they made the changes. Just wondering if anyone has come across this. My guess is it is just a setting that needs to be changed, but I am not for sure.

Many people have posted about how Best Buy's calibrators screwed up their TVs. Best Buy's calibrators don't/can't properly calibrate the TV in the short time window they're required to spend on the TV. A real ISF Calibration takes three to four times longer than BB's "calibrators" spend on the TV. Very often they actually make the TV look worse than it was before they messed with it.

Have your mom call them back out to restore the TV to it's original/pre-calibration settings and to refund the cost of calibration. If the calibrator just used the user menu to adjust the TV and DID NOT go into the Service Menu, then your mom can simply change the settings herself or select Reset to Defaults and not bother with having the BB guy come back. But if he went into the Service Menu to "calibrate" it then she has a bigger problem if the guy didn't provider her with the calibration report.

But she should still insist on a refund regardless. And if the TV can't be restored to it's pre-cal picture quality, she should return it for a refund or exchange.
post #3862 of 9713
Has anyone used Darbee that didn't like the effects it produces? Only asking because in some videos I just watched where they turn the Darbee on and off while showing a video, I feel like it added way too much sharpness to the picture, and made it look too 'busy'.
Edited by edgeh2o - 10/1/12 at 2:00pm
post #3863 of 9713
The Darbee is completely adjustable and the effect it has.
post #3864 of 9713
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Has anyone used Darbee that didn't like the effects it produces? Only asking because in some videos I just watched where they turn the Darbee on and off while showing a video, I feel like it added way too much sharpness to the picture, and made it look too 'busy'.


Just read a review of it that said that same thing. Mixed review. http://www.avforums.com/reviews/DarbeeVision-Visual-Presence-DVP-5000-Darbee-Darblet-Video-Enhancement-Device-Review_352/Review.html

This quote from the review stood out, "...over-processed, hyper-reality look the DVP 5000 gives material. Again, there’s very little question the Darbee gives the sense of increased resolution but it’s at the expense of robbing the footage of its inherent naturalness."

And sucks to be me, just found this email from earlier today,
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Greetings from Pilot,

At this point in time we have not received the item from Amazon. Until we receive the item we will be unable to keep your delivery appointment. Once the delivery terminal has the item on hand they will contact you to reschedule.

And a Samsung troll. Now that's funny.
post #3865 of 9713
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Originally Posted by edgeh2o View Post

Has anyone used Darbee that didn't like the effects it produces? Only asking because in some videos I just watched where they turn the Darbee on and off while showing a video, I feel like it added way too much sharpness to the picture, and made it look too 'busy'.

The effects of the Darbee should be user defined. That's the entire point of having one in your chain. YOU determine what looks best to your eyes. It's not a device you turn on, say "I don't like how this looks", and send it back. You determine all the preferences of the unit. i.e HD, Game, or POP mode and what percentage of the particular one you use. I think what happens sometimes is people buy the Darbee and expect some other-worldly transformation of the PQ on their display. That's not what happens, nor should it be what happens. It gives better 'contrast' to on-screen images. Light(er) objects vs. dark(er) objects. Top-level contrast is what makes for a great looking picture. I've had my Darbee for just over a week, and on my 65GT50, the best way to describe that 'contrasting' difference is as if you're focusing the camera lens to its ultimate. Lifting the veil, as some have said. It makes an already great TV that much better. I love it. I use HD mode at 55% on film-based content and POP mode at 55% (you can even go higher still) on Animation like Pixar and Dreamworks.
Bottom line, I was VERY happy with my purchase of the GT50 two months ago. With the Darbee, I'm VERY, VERY, VERY happy. Remember, it's what YOU prefer. And if you don't prefer it after testing, send it back/sell it. Best wishes...
post #3866 of 9713
Called Amazon about my TV not being at the local shipper, Pilot, and they said we can cancel it or order another. Going with Best Buy, price protection and have them come in and set up. Probably be end of the week delivery. Worth it.
post #3867 of 9713
I haven't seen any posts where Samsung owners thought they needed the darbee.
post #3868 of 9713
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Originally Posted by dzt41j View Post

I haven't seen any posts where Samsung owners thought they needed the darbee.

How could you? You hang out in Panasonic threads. rolleyes.gif
post #3869 of 9713
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Originally Posted by mark1280 View Post

Question,
My Mom has this TV and says that Best Buy came out to calibrate it and now there is motion blur during action scenes. She said it was not an issue before they made the changes. Just wondering if anyone has come across this. My guess is it is just a setting that needs to be changed, but I am not for sure.
Thanks in advance!
Mark

I'm pretty sure these come Motion smoother enabled from the factory. Maybe the calibrator just disabled this feature.

Not trying to take from what Randy said as I totally agree with him.
post #3870 of 9713
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Originally Posted by size14d View Post

How could you? You hang out in Panasonic threads. rolleyes.gif
LOL, that made me chuckle. biggrin.gif
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