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post #3931 of 9717
Try out Tron Legacy it looks really nice and you can really see all the details that show up in the blacks and how well the display does. When my wife watches it she always says how 3D it looks when we are not using the 3D. (not really a fan of 3D)
post #3932 of 9717
Picked up my 65GT50 from BB last night and plugged in Cnet settings for the break-in period. I also put in Avengers 3D to test it out and it looked pretty impressive. Of course the last battle scene looked a lot better than the first half of the movie. I'm coming from a 65V10 and I can definitely see an improvement in overall PQ. Even my roommate (who can't tell the difference between a dime and a quarter) said it looks better.

Now I'm pondering to either have the set calibrated, or get the Darbee. They would both be about the same price and I don't really want to do both. I've never had a set calibrated so I don't have first hand experience on what it can do. I've never had a Darbee either but I've seen pictures in the thread of that green lizard thing, and the difference was quite impressive. Any thoughts?
post #3933 of 9717
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

Picked up my 65GT50 from BB last night and plugged in Cnet settings for the break-in period. I also put in Avengers 3D to test it out and it looked pretty impressive. Of course the last battle scene looked a lot better than the first half of the movie. I'm coming from a 65V10 and I can definitely see an improvement in overall PQ. Even my roommate (who can't tell the difference between a dime and a quarter) said it looks better.
Now I'm pondering to either have the set calibrated, or get the Darbee. They would both be about the same price and I don't really want to do both. I've never had a set calibrated so I don't have first hand experience on what it can do. I've never had a Darbee either but I've seen pictures in the thread of that green lizard thing, and the difference was quite impressive. Any thoughts?

Like you, I 'upgraded' from the 65V10 (which I still own and is in my living room. Still a GREAT display!) You're correct that the 65GT50 is a better display. Better blacks, better contrast, etc. It weighs A LOT less too! To hopefully answer your question, I used the Spear and Munsil disc to calibrate my GT50 in Custom mode after doing 100 hours of slides. Beautiful picture, as you're now experiencing. Bought the Darbee nearly two weeks ago and it's brought out a bit more PQ with my set-up. I said this in an earlier post, put the Darbee gives the image more contrast between dark/light scenes. Great contrast is what gives the picture added depth and that ultimately makes for a better picture. It does more than just that, but you get some idea. Star fields are now incredible on Blu-ray! I've tested the Darbee on hundreds of images now, with positive results in nearly every case. The only time I've questioned using it is during grain-heavy Blu-rays. It accentuates the grain a bit too much when my Darbee is set at my normal HD 55%. I simply turn the percentage down a bit. Nice thing is: if you don't like the effect after purchasing/testing, simply return it for a refund minus all shipping charges. Best of luck on whatever you decide...

Don't mean to derail this GT50 thread, but wanted to offer my input. I LOVE my 65GT50, even before Darbee. It truly is a keeper.
post #3934 of 9717
Getting a calibration vs the Darbee it's kinda a toss up. Some people feel that they have to have a calibrated TV but some people don't like that reference look, sometimes its better to use some posted settings and adjust accordingly. Which I did in fact I have another set of setting that I can send that I'm using and like very much. My buddy was kind enough to bring his Darbee over and let me sample some things and I can say personally that I feel that it adds about a 10-20% difference overall depending on content. But again that is my opinion! The Darbee is cool in the fact that it's totally adjustable, so you can tweak it to more or less to what you like! I do have to say that it helped on my Tivo HD with OTA content. Blu Rays it add a little more but I have to say that Blu Rays already look fantastic on this panel but if you are want to squeeze every ounce of AWESOMENESS out of this panel then I say go for it! And since this panel looks great as it is you would probably notice more of a difference out of the Darbee then a calibration but then again that's my opinion.
post #3935 of 9717
I do not mean to hijack the thread. However, I wanted to see if any other GT50 owners experience this. Please view the post below for details. Thank you for your time everyone.
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Originally Posted by metalheadwillie View Post

First, let me say I absolutely love my Panasonic Viera P55GT50. I have never owned a plasma, and I come from a three year old $900 Samsung LCD. I am astounded by this thing. There is one thing I have noticed and would love your help. I have searched online, called Best Buy, Geek Squad, Panasonic, and... here I am.
I have noticed on my GT50 that there are discolored pixels on the vertical side edges of the display. On the left edge, for one pixel width only, running vertically from top to bottom, it is a magenta color. On the right, yellow. Again, for only one pixel width, running vertically from top to bottom. At the very edge. As you'd imagine, it is not visible from my sofa. My concern is that it is a defect and will worsen over time. As a side note, I sent the first GT50 back. The second one that I currently have from day one had the same exact issue as the first.
Is this a defective unit? Please advise.
This is copied and pasted from past emails. I apologize for how wordy it is. But your help is greatly appreciated!
post #3936 of 9717
I personally have never noticed that at all.
post #3937 of 9717
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

Like you, I 'upgraded' from the 65V10 (which I still own and is in my living room. Still a GREAT display!) You're correct that the 65GT50 is a better display. Better blacks, better contrast, etc. It weighs A LOT less too! To hopefully answer your question, I used the Spear and Munsil disc to calibrate my GT50 in Custom mode after doing 100 hours of slides. Beautiful picture, as you're now experiencing. Bought the Darbee nearly two weeks ago and it's brought out a bit more PQ with my set-up. I said this in an earlier post, put the Darbee gives the image more contrast between dark/light scenes. Great contrast is what gives the picture added depth and that ultimately makes for a better picture. It does more than just that, but you get some idea. Star fields are now incredible on Blu-ray! I've tested the Darbee on hundreds of images now, with positive results in nearly every case. The only time I've questioned using it is during grain-heavy Blu-rays. It accentuates the grain a bit too much when my Darbee is set at my normal HD 55%. I simply turn the percentage down a bit. Nice thing is: if you don't like the effect after purchasing/testing, simply return it for a refund minus all shipping charges. Best of luck on whatever you decide...
Don't mean to derail this GT50 thread, but wanted to offer my input. I LOVE my 65GT50, even before Darbee. It truly is a keeper.

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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Getting a calibration vs the Darbee it's kinda a toss up. Some people feel that they have to have a calibrated TV but some people don't like that reference look, sometimes its better to use some posted settings and adjust accordingly. Which I did in fact I have another set of setting that I can send that I'm using and like very much. My buddy was kind enough to bring his Darbee over and let me sample some things and I can say personally that I feel that it adds about a 10-20% difference overall depending on content. But again that is my opinion! The Darbee is cool in the fact that it's totally adjustable, so you can tweak it to more or less to what you like! I do have to say that it helped on my Tivo HD with OTA content. Blu Rays it add a little more but I have to say that Blu Rays already look fantastic on this panel but if you are want to squeeze every ounce of AWESOMENESS out of this panel then I say go for it! And since this panel looks great as it is you would probably notice more of a difference out of the Darbee then a calibration but then again that's my opinion.

Thanks for your input guys. As of right now I'm leaning towards getting the Darbee since I watch more Directv than blu rays. But I won't make a decision until the break-in period is over and after I calibrate it with my Disney WOW disc. The other side of me says to NOT get the Darbee and NOT get it calibrated. Instead, save the money and get more 3D blu rays since I'm already quite happy with the display.

On another note, I'm also thinking about getting some LED backlighting. I've read that it can improve the viewing experience, but what about for 3D content? Will the help 3D viewing as well?
post #3938 of 9717
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

I probably was not clear in my original post, but what I was trying to communicate is that for your particular problem Panasonic seems, in several cases, to have tried to fix this problem of vertical bands by replacing the A-Board. I do not know of anybody's problem of a vertical band being fixed by replacing the A-Board. You obviously cannot tell them what to do and not what to do and I assume when the technician comes out just make sure that you show the problem to him with material that shows this problem clearly. Slides will show it up (20-30 IRE most often) and what makes it most irritating - and which will show it up in normal content - is something like football, hockey or golf with sky shots. The latter is important because you may get the "but who looks at gray slides?". When you can show this in normal content then clearly it is important and shows the flaw. I had mentioned one well-known calibrator having a band and I just recalled a very highly respected reviewer in the UK, David Mackenzie of HDTVTest, who has several lighter bands I believe on the right hand third of his ST50. So you are clearly not alone and in some distinguished company smile.gif. As regards what the A-board is, I posted a few days ago on this point to someone who has the same problem:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430806/panasonic-st50-vertical-banding-worsened-overnight/0_60#post_22436433
People use the phrase "banding" (as in that thread above) which really is not correct as banding is more commonly used for the problem of posterization. However, to use the word vertical band or bands I think is fine.

Hey Peter, just to give you and others an update. Panasonic sent out their technician today and while I don't know the name of the part she brought with her, I'm suspecting it's the "A-Board" you were mentioning, though there were two parts in separate boxes. Kinda surprising that they bring these boards with them before even knowing what the real problem is. The moment I turned on the TV and showed her a gray slide she said, "Oh, I was about to replace a board in your TV but it won't fix those vertical bands/lines". She called her office and explained to them that the vertical bands looked bad and she could easily see that it wasn't any screen burn in like she had suspected prior to showing up at my house. Needless to say she had to pack up my TV in their truck and take it to their repair facility. She's suspecting I will need a panel replacement.

One note, I went again to a different electronics store outside of my local town and took a look at their ST50. There were zero vertical bands. I switched it on to the gray 4:3 bars and no bands on the right or left side of the screen as my GT50 had. I'm again suspecting this was a newer released TV. They will be contacting me with an update and I'll report back here. Hopefully this has a happy ending for anyone concerned about their 2012 Panasonic's as well.
post #3939 of 9717
Why would someone download the test picture and don't say a word about how it performed on their display?

I mean, out of 25 download, I would have expected a few (at least 3?) saying "hey I tested the picture you posted in another post and I can also confirm I see crosstalk". I'm pretty sure some wanted to see if their display would also show crosstalk (believing their TV is perfect...) and are afraid to admit there is a problem here.

It's fine to be curious and sneak around but participating is even better. If everyone agree there is a problem, maybe we can get Panasonic to look into this.

Anyway I may just go post again in another thread, I posted here because I'm a new GT owner but this apply to VT, GT, ST and UT also I believe.

P.S. If you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're not one of the 25 who downloaded the file...
post #3940 of 9717
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Hey Peter, just to give you and others an update. Panasonic sent out their technician today and while I don't know the name of the part she brought with her, I'm suspecting it's the "A-Board" you were mentioning, though there were two parts in separate boxes. Kinda surprising that they bring these boards with them before even knowing what the real problem is. The moment I turned on the TV and showed her a gray slide she said, "Oh, I was about to replace a board in your TV but it won't fix those vertical bands/lines". She called her office and explained to them that the vertical bands looked bad and she could easily see that it wasn't any screen burn in like she had suspected prior to showing up at my house. Needless to say she had to pack up my TV in their truck and take it to their repair facility. She's suspecting I will need a panel replacement.
One note, I went again to a different electronics store outside of my local town and took a look at their ST50. There were zero vertical bands. I switched it on to the gray 4:3 bars and no bands on the right or left side of the screen as my GT50 had. I'm again suspecting this was a newer released TV. They will be contacting me with an update and I'll report back here. Hopefully this has a happy ending for anyone concerned about their 2012 Panasonic's as well.


Thanks for the update. Seeing as you had multiple vertical bands (as opposed to myself and several others who have just one) I can understand why they would replace your panel. It really seems to be hit and miss as to when they replace the panel at your home as opposed to taking it away. Not too long ago, I do recall someone posting here a series of photos where Panasonic came and brought a new panel and swapped it out there and then. That is obviously preferable and one would hope that you will not be without your TV for very long.
post #3941 of 9717
Empire Strikes Back looks so incredible on this TV tonight.

I have the 24p setting on 60 hz, seems to handle the action scenes better than 48hz where I had it the past day since delivery.
post #3942 of 9717
Do some of you see a noticeable difference from watching 1080i (DVR) versus 1080p (Blu-Ray)? Just curious what wto expect the day I will get a Blu-Ray player. I bought my first Blu-Ray disk last weekend but there is no need to rush out buy a player.
post #3943 of 9717
I'm not going to say that you have to have a blu ray player to appreciate you new display but your appreciation for the GT50 will greatly multiply!! I would recommend the purchase! It's a must own!
post #3944 of 9717
On every cable company I've ever used the difference between the cable box and a blu-ray is very noticeable. Usually the cable signal is pretty compressed so even though it's a 1080i signal its nowhere near blu-ray quality. If you have any of the Panasonic plasmas I think a blu-ray player is an absolute must. But that's just me.
post #3945 of 9717
Well it's more about if p vs i makes any noticeable difference.

I love 3D and if I want to watch some I will have to buy one but I don't think it will be in 2012.
post #3946 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Rhialto View Post

Why would someone download the test picture ... ...

Well I guess I'm 2 of the 25 downloaders. Downloaded it and put it on a SD card and the TV doesn't recognize that it exists. Thought it may have been problem with the default Windows - 7 downloader so I used a different file transfer program and put it on a different card to try again later.

Just tied it. Yes there is an artifact of the overexposed hair to the left in the dark shadows of the trees when using the default settings that pop-up with the photo viewer. This is the first time I have used the photo viewer and I have not calibrated any of the settings for it. From past digital photo work my first inclination was to lower the gamma to try to flatten the image and get some detail back into the blown-out regions. Doing this nearly eliminated the problem. I think if you either take a little time and fully adjust the video settings used by the photo viewer or "clean-up" the image on your PC first you will get much better results.

On a related note, the 3D effect is quite impressive ! I liked the image with the 3D effect set to maximum. It really has a lot of depth. I've only watched one 3D movie and thought it was kinda gimmicky but 3D photos may be something worth looking into (no pun intended biggrin.gif)
post #3947 of 9717
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Originally Posted by ERIK2173 View Post

Usually the cable signal is pretty compressed so even though it's a 1080i signal its nowhere near blu-ray quality.
True, just earlier I was watching a documentary with a few under water shots and it was easy to see the color gradations shades. Like if they used 20 instead of 400. Should also be less 'blocky'.
post #3948 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Rhialto View Post

Do some of you see a noticeable difference from watching 1080i (DVR) versus 1080p (Blu-Ray)? Just curious what wto expect the day I will get a Blu-Ray player. I bought my first Blu-Ray disk last weekend but there is no need to rush out buy a player.

Bluray came out like 6 years ago, you never seen a bluray movie?eek.gif Anyways I guess is better late than never. The difference is quite noticeable Bluray is sharper and cleaner, just beautiful on the GT50.
Just make sure you get a quality Bluray movie and hook it up HDMI only for best picture. Once you go BLU you don't go back! unless is 4k but that's another story, biggrin.gif
post #3949 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Rhialto View Post

Do some of you see a noticeable difference from watching 1080i (DVR) versus 1080p (Blu-Ray)? Just curious what wto expect the day I will get a Blu-Ray player. I bought my first Blu-Ray disk last weekend but there is no need to rush out buy a player.

There can be a very wide difference in video quality from different sources. I have seen some 1080i OTA broadcast TV that looked better than some poorly produced BD's. I have also seen some stunning BD's that just can't be matched by any 1080i source I have ever seen.

On average, I would say yes 1080p BD's do look noticeably better. Do also keep in mind that as video processor technology continues to improve, so does image quality. The 1's and 0's on the disk don't change but the processing applied to the 1's and 0's after they are read from the disk can make a significant difference in the final PQ. A disk player with a "clean" processor can make a noticeable difference.
post #3950 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Well I guess I'm 2 of the 25 downloaders. Downloaded it and put it on a SD card and the TV doesn't recognize that it exists. Thought it may have been problem with the default Windows - 7 downloader so I used a different file transfer program

Good and you were maybe not alone! So let's say 20... I was not frustrated by the way, and I'm not saying you said this either, just wanted to be clear... I was just a bit surpised that after 25, err 20 not a single reply came. Anyway let me now reply to your message.

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From past digital photo work my first inclination was to lower the gamma to try to flatten the image and get some detail back into the blown-out regions. Doing this nearly eliminated the problem.

I used the THX-Cinema (which by itself should be more than adequate because I think pictures benefit from brighter settings) and lowered Contrast to minimum but it was not better.

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I think if you either take a little time and fully adjust the video settings used by the photo viewer or "clean-up" the image on your PC first you will get much better results.

When I look at the same picture on my 120Hz LCD computer screen with the 3D Vision kit, I don't see that crosstalk at all. And about retouching pictures, I may have to finetune some pictures at times but it's only when I try to take close up shot (macro) where the camera sometime fails. It's crazy on the eyes so I adjust the parallax and all is fine.

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On a related note, the 3D effect is quite impressive ! I liked the image with the 3D effect set to maximum. It really has a lot of depth. I've only watched one 3D movie and thought it was kinda gimmicky but 3D photos may be something worth looking into (no pun intended biggrin.gif)

I bought a 3D camera the day it was available here. I got plenty of 3D pics from the twins when younger and even someone who passed away. I will never go back to 2D.

This picture while not really impressive is cute for us but I used it to show the problem. I could try to find another one with more impressive result (and probably without crosstalk) so you can impress your visitors. There's also probably many on the net.

Thanks for your feedback.
post #3951 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Bluray came out like 6 years ago, you never seen a bluray movie?eek.gif

No really! I've seen some demo but never visited someone to watch a movie on Blu-Ray and I just made the move to HD. I had a perfectly working 32" TV I paid 800$ 12 years ago! If it wasn't about money I would probably have bought earlier knowing I had the pay twice the price I paid 12 years ago but OTOH I'm happy to own this year model which I think is excellent. I will try to avoid reading all the stiff about the 2013 in a few months. ;-)

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Just make sure you get a quality Bluray movie and hook it up HDMI only for best picture. Once you go BLU you don't go back! unless is 4k but that's another story, biggrin.gif

I already bought my first Blu-Ray title last weekend which is 2D but I will focus on 3D for the most part. I may have bought 20 carefully choosen DVD in the last years so I will also carefully choose on which Blu-Ray title I will spend money on. So for the first time last weekend I looked at all the 3D titles and settled on TRON and Avatar (must have for me) and will also go with Puss in boots. I like 3D toons, so well made these days.

About 4K I think we are all safe for the next 5 years.
post #3952 of 9717
Waiting for my reward zone to update with my purchase and get some more 3D movies, I can imagine Tron and Avatar would be amazing. Watched some of Star Trek, the new one, in 2D + which seemed to add depth rather than a 3 D effect by sharpening the foreground and blurring the background or so it seemed.
post #3953 of 9717
Kind of disappointed there isn't a cycle button for Picture Mode. My last Sharp LCD had one. But now I have to go to the menu, then picture, then change the picture mode preset. Oh well.

otherwise, VERY HAPPY with my 65GT50
post #3954 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Rhialto View Post

... I already bought my first Blu-Ray title last weekend ....

I would not buy any BD's until you get a BD player. Prices on many disks drop very rapidly after the first few months from release. There is also a pretty big market for pre-owned disks at a very big discount relative to new. If you can't watch them now, don't buy them now.

Also, when I use the media player on the set the THX mode is not available. If I get a chance, I'll put the SD card into the BD player and see if I get different results from the BD player sending the signal to the TV through HDMI rather than the built in media player.
post #3955 of 9717
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Originally Posted by 413X3 View Post

Kind of disappointed there isn't a cycle button for Picture Mode. My last Sharp LCD had one. But now I have to go to the menu, then picture, then change the picture mode preset. Oh well.
otherwise, VERY HAPPY with my 65GT50

Not sure what a "cycle" button does ?

Have you looked at the image viewer auto play options in the advanced set-up menu rolleyes.gif
post #3956 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Not sure what a "cycle" button does ?
Have you looked at the image viewer auto play options in the advanced set-up menu rolleyes.gif


Pretty sure he means that instead of going to Menu, you just press a button on the remote to cycle through Standard, Cinema, Custom etc. Display setting.
post #3957 of 9717
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Originally Posted by ALIAS360 View Post

Some people feel that they have to have a calibrated TV but some people don't like that reference look,
I'm not involved in the Darbee discussion, but I'd like to point out that I've maintained lists of links to reports about owner's calibrations that have been done by professionals who are active here at AVS since August 19, 2006.

I've linked all the reports that I've found, and I don't recall any that indicated that the owner didn't like the work done for him or her because of it's "reference" look.

If you are referring to owners who use other peoples settings or calibrate for themselves, than that's another matter. Even D-Nice, who is a well regarded professional calibrator, makes it clear that folks who use his posted settings are not getting reference picture quality, and that they should adjust those setting to their own taste.

If you would like to check for yourself just use the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. wink.gif

For the record, I only include reports that include the professional calibrator's AVS user name.

Enjoy. tongue.gif
post #3958 of 9717
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

Thanks for the update. Seeing as you had multiple vertical bands (as opposed to myself and several others who have just one) I can understand why they would replace your panel. It really seems to be hit and miss as to when they replace the panel at your home as opposed to taking it away. Not too long ago, I do recall someone posting here a series of photos where Panasonic came and brought a new panel and swapped it out there and then. That is obviously preferable and one would hope that you will not be without your TV for very long.

Well they gave me loaner Plasma. It's old but it works. The only thing about it is it doesn't have the wipe feature so any IR that happens from the black bars or logos can't be wiped away quickly like on my GT50. I've been watching full screen viewing for the last 3 hours and I can still see a slight bit of the black bars still. It's better but I don't want to give this loaner back with any IR as if I mistreated it. smile.gif Sadly that's the caveat of a Plasma TV. Yeah, I would've preferred that they serviced the TV in my house but they wanted to take it back to their repair facility first and take a look at it. I'll keep you updated.
post #3959 of 9717
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

Thanks for your input guys. As of right now I'm leaning towards getting the Darbee since I watch more Directv than blu rays. But I won't make a decision until the break-in period is over and after I calibrate it with my Disney WOW disc. The other side of me says to NOT get the Darbee and NOT get it calibrated. Instead, save the money and get more 3D blu rays since I'm already quite happy with the display.
On another note, I'm also thinking about getting some LED backlighting. I've read that it can improve the viewing experience, but what about for 3D content? Will the help 3D viewing as well?

Seriously, then my recommendation is to do the latter. If you're happy with your TV without the Darblet, you won't miss it. As stated, the GT50 without the Darbee is an amazing display. $350.00 will buy you A LOT of Blu-ray 3D and 2D discs AND purchase you some bias lighting. To answer that question, DO IT. I have bias lighting both in my HT and my living room on both my 65" Panny Plasmas. Colors pop better, contrast is improved and blacks appear blacker. Get some feedback here and other places about bias lighting and you'll understand...Good luck. George
post #3960 of 9717
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm not involved in the Darbee discussion, but I'd like to point out that I've maintained lists of links to reports about owner's calibrations that have been done by professionals who are active here at AVS since August 19, 2006.
I've linked all the reports that I've found, and I don't recall any that indicated that the owner didn't like the work done for him or her because of it's "reference" look.
If you are referring to owners who use other peoples settings or calibrate for themselves, than that's another matter. Even D-Nice, who is a well regarded professional calibrator, makes it clear that folks who use his posted settings are not getting reference picture quality, and that they should adjust those setting to their own taste.
If you would like to check for yourself just use the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. wink.gif
For the record, I only include reports that include the professional calibrator's AVS user name.
Enjoy. tongue.gif

hey htwaits my comment wasn't to offend anyone and especially not calibrators. My only reason I stated that was because everyone's eye is different hence, there are people that prefer the pop of LCD, Standard presets out of the box (Horrible), Plasma, some people like a dull image. Everyone is different, that's why I said "some people don't like that reference look". So a Calibrated Reference image may not be for everyone. I personally have never had one done, maybe I'm missing out. But I love the picture on my GT50.
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