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post #4201 of 9717
Watching movies in 60hz is starting to drive me crazy. Even with the motion smoother set to OFF I can still see some SOE. Seems like motion processing is never truly off in 60hz.
Its really to bad 48hz. flickers, but honestly I don't even notice the flicker (on most scenes) after a couple minutes of watching. I think I am at the point where I rather deal with a little flicker and have the movement look right instead of deal with SOE.

Maybe I am just getting too picky...

Anyone else have this issue?
post #4202 of 9717
From the reviews I think I have narrowed down my choice to one of the 65 inch panny sets (leaning GT50), but reading this thread has me worried that this may be the wrong choice. Are the problems stated here the norm, or are they a small percentage of sets?

IR - I fear this.
Buzzing - If I can hear this over my louder than most people listen to TV settings it will be a problem.

I don't like the limited screen life of a plasma or their power consumption, but I want the best picture especially where motion is concerned.


I am not vidiophile, but little things would annoy me. I am coming from a Sony rear projection KDS-60A2000 so anything has to be a step up right?


Do you still recommend these sets? Do you still recommend Plasma?

Thanks
post #4203 of 9717
OK so I picked up the gt today but before I open it is there anything I should know like is it true I can't lay it flat. Also can I not play games like NHL or madden. Can I not watch movies with black bars.also is it true they only last 3-4 years. Thank u
post #4204 of 9717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dwillmore View Post

From the reviews I think I have narrowed down my choice to one of the 65 inch panny sets (leaning GT50), but reading this thread has me worried that this may be the wrong choice. Are the problems stated here the norm, or are they a small percentage of sets?
IR - I fear this.
Buzzing - If I can hear this over my louder than most people listen to TV settings it will be a problem.
I don't like the limited screen life of a plasma or their power consumption, but I want the best picture especially where motion is concerned.
I am not vidiophile, but little things would annoy me. I am coming from a Sony rear projection KDS-60A2000 so anything has to be a step up right?
Do you still recommend these sets? Do you still recommend Plasma?
Thanks

If you are still afraid of these issues after reading this thread then you really haven't been reading this thread. I commented on some of this on the previous page.

Buzzing - if you can hear it beyond say 3-4 feet in a quiet room during a quiet scene then the TV is definitely defective and needs to be RRR'd (Returned, Repaired, or Replaced). Tons of us have perfectly quiet Plasma TVs. It's not normal to be able to hear any Plasma TV buzzing noise from your couch.

IR - This can be a mixed bag, some people report persistent IR but the vast majority of us aren't having any IR problems despite watching lots news and sports etc. Dunno why a few posters are having this problem. I punish mine with logos and banners every morning and evening, and pretty much all weekend. IR goes away within minutes and doesn't linger.

Power consumption - Modern Plasmas don't use that much electricity. Mine used about the same a a couple of light bulbs. It may add a few bucks a month to my power bill, but it's no big deal.

Limited Screen Life - This is a fallacy. Panasonic Plasma panels are rated for over 100,000 hours - that's about 30 years if you watch it 8 hours per day every day for those 30 years. Tube TVs were rated at 30,000 hours. LCD TVs are typically rated at only 60,000 hours. Plasmas last longer than any other type of TV technology, and they are renowned in the industry as the most reliable TVs you can buy and have been so for several years. Panasonic Plasmas have a lower failure rate than any other brand or technology. Anything else you buy will likely have more issues, and would have a higher likelyhood of developing a defect.
post #4205 of 9717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

OK so I picked up the gt today but before I open it is there anything I should know like is it true I can't lay it flat.

No.

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Also can I not play games like NHL or madden.

No.

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Can I not watch movies with black bars.

No.

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also is it true they only last 3-4 years.

No.
post #4206 of 9717
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Originally Posted by dwillmore View Post

From the reviews I think I have narrowed down my choice to one of the 65 inch panny sets (leaning GT50), but reading this thread has me worried that this may be the wrong choice. Are the problems stated here the norm, or are they a small percentage of sets?
IR - I fear this.
Buzzing - If I can hear this over my louder than most people listen to TV settings it will be a problem.
I don't like the limited screen life of a plasma or their power consumption, but I want the best picture especially where motion is concerned.
I am not vidiophile, but little things would annoy me. I am coming from a Sony rear projection KDS-60A2000 so anything has to be a step up right?
Do you still recommend these sets? Do you still recommend Plasma?
Thanks

No, not the "norm". Some of the overall trends are real and some of the general comparisons are valid but this forum magnifies "problems" by 100 fold.

From your comments, I'd really suggest you spend a few hours reading posts from a variety of threads. What you will find is that every set ever made by every manufacturer has people who love it and people who hate it. I've had my GT50 for 4 or 5 months now and I'm 100% happy with it. I fully accept that this is just the latest model in a never ending stream of technology and will be outdone with the 2013 models in a few months which will be bested by the 2014 models and on and on.

My set has no buzzing and no IR and I've aggressively looked for (listened) for both. I have no brand loyalty and I'm not a Panasonic salesman. All I can relate is my direct personal experience.

Power consumption: I think the sets pull about 450 watts in torch mode. I run the TV about 5 hours a day so that's about $0.22 per day, estimate less than $6 per month since I don't use torch mode. LED is more efficient but not free. A 100 watt LED set would be about $1.50 per month. So I spend less than $4.50 per month for plasma. Saving money and energy is the responsible thing to do for many reasons but my TV is not a major resource consumer in my house. If you consider the markedly LOWER price on good plasma sets versus good LED sets, the plasma is cheaper in the long run. A comparable sized Samsung LED would have cost me $750 more at the time I get the 60GT50.

Screen Life ? Not sure what you have been reading but plasma's panels are very robust. They do very slowly loose brightness over time which requires re-calibration to bring the output back to a "baseline" level. Obviously, at some point there isn't enough adjustment room left in set-up menus to regain full output. Panasonic's info suggests 8 hours a day for 30 YEARS to get to 1/2 output. You could not recalibrate at 50% output and get a "like new" PQ, but 15 -20 YEARS would be doable. Seriously, the electronics in the TV will probably fail before the panel does. The failure time for the electronics in an LCD/LED set is going to be the same. So In my opinion screen life is a total non-issue. If anything, the plasma panels probably have a better life span than the LCD panels in LED sets.

If you really want the best PQ available today, plasma is the winner. LED/LCD has some nice features (primarily bright daytime viewing) but many PQ limitations. The PQ issues with LCD/LED is why I returned 2 sets and went with plasma.
post #4207 of 9717
when u say no are u meaning no I cant lay it flat and no I cant play those games, I have been reading about the plasma break in thread and it sounds scary, I love to watch movies play sport games etc, and I have read that I cant play games for 150 hours. I am debating now if I made the wrong chocie by not taking the led bleeding 7600. Can someone plz help I am a plasma newb I really apoligize for the questions but I appreciate it.
post #4208 of 9717
I have had my TP-C55GT50 for 2 months I noticed in the very dark scenes such as GoT year 1 episode 9 where Varys enters the dungeon to talk to Ned the dark scenes are ghosting and also the blacks look crushed like a LCD. I have played the scene on THX cinema and on custom with c-net settings and both dark scenes are same. I have it hooked up to charter cable. I would appreciate any help or knowledge on the issues.
post #4209 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

OK so I picked up the gt today but before I open it is there anything I should know like is it true I can't lay it flat. Also can I not play games like NHL or madden. Can I not watch movies with black bars.also is it true they only last 3-4 years. Thank u

The panel is basically a big thin sheet of glass. If you lay it flat you will increase the chances of breaking the glass. You can get away with this on LCD's because they are made from plastic but even then you increase the chances for damage due to screen flex.

3-4 years??? Where has the recent string of short-life concerns come from? The only things that may expire in 3-4 years are your extended warantee and maybe your finance plan. The panel will probably outlast you biggrin.gif Seriously biggrin.gif

Games, well I'd probably suggest you read a good book or watch PBS instead but if you insist on gaming then go easy with fixed white elements until you see if your set is more prone to IR. I've never seen any indication of IR on my set but I don't game. Some people will game for hours / days without stop. Until you get a little more familiar with the TV's set-up and behavior, I'd suggest being a bit more cautious and not engage in prolonged gaming.

Black bars, all plasma sets will undergo a "break in" period over the first couple hundred hours. During that time, you should try to let all the pixels age evenly by watching full screen content . That being said you shouldn't have any problem watching letterbox content during that break-in period so long as you don't watch excessive amounts of it.

Above all else, RELAX and enjoy the set.
post #4210 of 9717
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Originally Posted by dwillmore View Post

From the reviews I think I have narrowed down my choice to one of the 65 inch panny sets (leaning GT50), but reading this thread has me worried that this may be the wrong choice. Are the problems stated here the norm, or are they a small percentage of sets?

IR - I fear this.
Buzzing - If I can hear this over my louder than most people listen to TV settings it will be a problem.

I don't like the limited screen life of a plasma or their power consumption, but I want the best picture especially where motion is concerned.


I am not vidiophile, but little things would annoy me. I am coming from a Sony rear projection KDS-60A2000 so anything has to be a step up right?


Do you still recommend these sets? Do you still recommend Plasma?

Thanks

To answer your last questions, Yes absolutely. After extensive research and no pre-set budget (well, it had to be under 8k), the 65GT50 was the best choice for me.

IR and burn-in are very different. Burn-in hasn't been an issue for me at all. The first 100-200 hours you just need to be a little mindful of the content. I limited viewing in this period to no-static images, full screen content (no black bars on top, bottom or sides) and little gaming. I do this with all my plasmas and never had Burn-in. IR on the other hand is not permanent, it temporarily comes and goes same as it was with the old CRT TVs and projectors, in other words no problem and won't affect your viewing one bit. Just be careful what you read online, some people confusingly and mistakenly interchange IR and Burn-in.

As far as buzzing is concerned, plasma buzz is absolutely normal and every set buzzes. My wife's hearing is very good yet she cannot hear any buzzing, even with her ear to the back of the set. Some people's hearing isn't sensitive to the buzz frequency so they think theirs is silent but I've been around plasmas for ten years and every set I've ever seen buzzes. It's part of the technology, every manufacturer acknowledges it and even has technical papers explaining why it happens and why it's normal (I've only seen the panasonic and the old pioneer Elite papers). What ISN'T normal is for buzzing to be loud enough to be heard over normal content from normal viewing seating. If that is the case, it's defective and should be exchanged or repaired, which is what I had to do with a couple of 60GT50s a few months ago, they buzzed too loudly. Otherwise, it all depends on your hearing and tolerance to certain frequencies. I am cursed with zero-loss hearing which is a PITA but my 65GT50's buzzing is so muted that I only faintly hear it on excessively bright scenes, up close to the TV with no audio playing (otherwise silent room). This to me is perfectly normal and acceptable. Whether that's acceptable to you, only you can answer that.

For power consumption on 65GT50, based on 11c per kWh (I currently pay 8c) and an average of 5 hours of use per day (on ECO mode I believe, which I have enabled all the time anyhow), your yearly running cost will be $32 (under $3 per month). Pretty reasonable IMO, and certainly much lower than plasma sets from 10 or even 3 years ago. I wish this myth would go away already. cool.gif

I've weighed the pros and cons of so many TVs and there's no question in my mind that the 65GT50 is a phenomenal set, provided you don't get a defective one.
post #4211 of 9717
Thanks to all that replied. The posts were informative and have cured my fears.

I read the first 30 or so posts in the thread and the last 40 or so posts. It is a very long thread. I know forums amplify problems, but after the Sony KDS fiasco I am a bit gun shy.

Again thank you.
post #4212 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mlw1956 View Post

I have had my TP-C55GT50 for 2 months I noticed in the very dark scenes such as GoT year 1 episode 9 where Varys enters the dungeon to talk to Ned the dark scenes are ghosting and also the blacks look crushed like a LCD. I have played the scene on THX cinema and on custom with c-net settings and both dark scenes are same. I have it hooked up to charter cable. I would appreciate any help or knowledge on the issues.

That seems strange because shadow detail is a real strength of this TV. It may be that the over-compressed picture of the Charter Cable is to blame. I bet if you watch it on BR it will be much better.

The first thing I noticed when I first got my GT was the true blacks. I came from a Samsung plasma with much lighter black levels. I think I was also used to a much higher and less dynamic gamma range with the Sammy. With the GT, at first it was jarring to see how dark the dark scenes looked but amazingly (to my eyes) all of the detail was still there. I was instantly addicted to how good and realistic dark scenes looked on the GT50 and I realized that I had been used to a very washed-out picture on the Samsung.

Gamma (shadow detail) does have a technically "correct" setting but it can also be largly a matter of preference. So since you said you have already tryed the THX Cinema and C-Net Custom settings (I C-Net Custom) the only thing I can think of is to try adjusting the gamma setting on these picture modes. Try 2.4 rather than 2.6. If that doesn't do it for ya try 2.2 or even 2.0. This will bring up the mid-level luminace and help bring out the shadow details but it will also make the picture look more washed out. Also try the THX Brightroom preset. It may be more to your liking.

Good Luck
Edited by wattheF - 11/3/12 at 11:14am
post #4213 of 9717
So to help it through the 100 hour mark should I just pop on a blue ray over and over for 100 hours or is there something on the TV I can just let run. Also does the Panasonic have a standby light when its off or only when its on ty
post #4214 of 9717
^^^

If you're trying to evenly age the panel (for 100 hours) then no movie will do it as evenly or effectively as slides would.
post #4215 of 9717
And where do I buy these slides
post #4216 of 9717
Thank you for your reply, I hope your right about the cable. All the football games on TV have shadows on the outside of their uniforms. I think something is wrong it is not as good as it should be.
post #4217 of 9717
Also I read that the new neo PDP screens are ready to go out the box.
post #4218 of 9717
Also when can I play games like madden NHL halo etc this is my man cave gaming TV I went with plasma cause I tried 3 led TVs anfd they looked like **** so any help on when I can play games would be great ty
post #4219 of 9717
And should I get the best buy warranty or square trade anything like that
post #4220 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

And where do I buy these slides
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

Also I read that the new neo PDP screens are ready to go out the box.
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

Also when can I play games like madden NHL halo etc this is my man cave gaming TV I went with plasma cause I tried 3 led TVs anfd they looked like **** so any help on when I can play games would be great ty

All the information you need is in this thread: Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread. The slides are free and they're linked in the "Download Break In DVD (SVCD)" thread which itself is linked from the aforementioned Master thread's 1st post. There's just a lot of information to post here which is why if you have some time, it's a very good read, not to mention that some opinions on this matter appear to be a little contentious which makes reading those threads and forming your own opinion worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

And should I get the best buy warranty or square trade anything like that

I bought my 65GT50 from FutureShop (they have the same warranty as BB's as they're owned by BestBuy but based in Canada) and I've always bought their warranty and twice now it's paid for itself, I suppose I've had bad luck where my last two plasmas died just over 2 years of ownership, both time they were replaced.

Keep in mind that BB's (and FutureShop's) warranty is very expensive, and your credit card may already give you an extra year of warranty for free (for a total of 2 years) - something to think about. I personally hate extended warranties and wouldn't advise anyone to get it unless they want it but it's saved me a lot with my plasmas.

I've heard good things about SquareTrade but from reading some posts about them I found that that their warranty limitation has a lifetime cost total that cannot exceed the price of the TV. For example, you buy a TV for $2K and have SquareTrade on it, say you have two repairs done (e.g. $500 each), that leaves you now with a limit of $1000 for remaining cost. So if the TV then dies, SquareTrade will only be liable to give you $1000 when it may require a lot more than that to replace or fix.
post #4221 of 9717
Yea its tuff cause some people say don't worry about break in some do. I almost wonder if LEDs are what I should get I would hate to always have to baby my TV or have to worry about playing certain games. I hated the new LEDs cause of bleeding but they don't have ir or anything to worry about when gaming. Then I read the new neo plasmas don't like those slides cause they change fast and can cause more harm then good. I am just really confused when I was at best buy the guy told me to avoid plasma cause they have to many issues and are a dying tech. However I always read they have better pic and don't lag at games. They is so much info that its crazy. I just don't know lol its very confusing.
post #4222 of 9717
The consensus is that break-in isn't necessary unless you're doing it for the purpose of accelerating panel aging for an accurate calibration. Plasma's phosphors age quite a bit in the first 100-200 hours, slowly settling after that. Since they're at their brightest during that initial period, they're also at their most vulnerable to burn-in which is why it's recommended to do a few things in the first 100 hours, namely avoid long periods of static images/bright logos (think ESPN, CNN etc...), avoid marathon gaming sessions and avoid excessively playing non-1.78:1 content (or use the player's or TV's zoom function to hide black bars on non-16by9 content).

It's really not that difficult, just vary content in that period. After that, have at her. I've gamed on my PS3 on all my plasmas for hours on end, never gotten burn-in. Watched CNN, sports, you name it, never gotten any burn-in. This burn-in fear is really way overblown.

However, if this initial babying turns you off then of course you should look at LCDs. If you're seriously considering LCDs, then don't waste your time looking at edge-lit sets, go straight to full array with local dimming sets (Sony HX950 in either 55" or 65", or the Elites in either 60" or 70"). Those are the only sets that come close to plasma in image quality, uniformity, black levels etc... Just be prepared to pay the premium. Sadly, even those sets have varying degrees of drawbacks that are inherent to LCD (banding, light bleed, poor viewing angles, halos, motion handling). I was close to pulling the trigger on the Sony 65HX950 until I saw the viewing angles which, while decent by LCD standards, are decidedly poor compared to a plasma and in my large TV room that was something of a deal breaker, but these might be non-issues for you.
post #4223 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mdsniper7 View Post

Yea its tuff cause some people say don't worry about break in some do. I almost wonder if LEDs are what I should get I would hate to always have to baby my TV or have to worry about playing certain games. I hated the new LEDs cause of bleeding but they don't have ir or anything to worry about when gaming. Then I read the new neo plasmas don't like those slides cause they change fast and can cause more harm then good. I am just really confused when I was at best buy the guy told me to avoid plasma cause they have to many issues and are a dying tech. However I always read they have better pic and don't lag at games. They is so much info that its crazy. I just don't know lol its very confusing.
I think people worry way too much. like atc7 said if you dont get a elite or 950 not worth getting a led. also are you planning on getting a protection plan for your new tv if so then you shouldnt worry about getting a plasma but in general you shouldnt worry without protection plan either. i purchased a used gt50 and i wasnt worried about it but also the tv only had 400 hours on it. it was a display and had tivo demoed on it all day long and the tv didnt have any burn in from the tivo logo and when i bought it had no IR on the screen and thats with the tv bing on over 8 hours a day with a static logo image.
post #4224 of 9717
Hi I'm new here. I plan on purchasing this TV from BestBuy today now that's it's on sale similar to Amazon's current price. At first I was gearing towards Amazon but I'm not feeling what seems to be a sketchy protection plan of SquareTrade 5-Year TV Warranty. After reading some review, they this set would not be considered in-home repair and other fine print I don't agree with.

Question is do any of you recommend a protection plan? Is it even necessary? Power surges aren't an issue. Not many hours will be used on this set since the mrs and I work. This would be used for occasional movie watching and gaming (black ops smile.gif ) since we currently don't own a set right now of any kind.

Thanks
post #4225 of 9717
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Originally Posted by nubian View Post

Hi I'm new here. I plan on purchasing this TV from BestBuy today now that's it's on sale similar to Amazon's current price. At first I was gearing towards Amazon but I'm not feeling what seems to be a sketchy protection plan of SquareTrade 5-Year TV Warranty. After reading some review, they this set would not be considered in-home repair and other fine print I don't agree with.
Question is do any of you recommend a protection plan? Is it even necessary? Power surges aren't an issue. Not many hours will be used on this set since the mrs and I work. This would be used for occasional movie watching and gaming (black ops smile.gif ) since we currently don't own a set right now of any kind.
Thanks
its hard to say about protection plan but you know you're guaranteed a tv for however long your protection plan cover unless its physical or water damage.
its hard to say about protection plan but you know you're guaranteed a tv for however long your protection plan cover unless its physical or water damage.
post #4226 of 9717
Ty act7 and Johny. U guys made me feel at ease with it so ty. Now the question why don't any 3d glasses come with this lol. And should I buy the Panasonics or anybody's work. And is the Panasonis come with 2 for 80 or just one ty.
post #4227 of 9717
Panasonic doesn't provide any glasses. of course the panasonic glasses work the best with the tv but theres a review that the cheap 20 dollar samsung glasses do work but not as good as the panasonic glasses. just make sure you get 2012 glasses in general for either of the two brands
post #4228 of 9717
I have the st50 and console gaming 30fps judder is becoming unbearable...anyone with a gt50 know if the gt50 might be a little better in regards to 30fps judder or what has been your experience with 30fps games...also would the gt50 be more resistant to image retention over the st50 for any reason.
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Originally Posted by smith987 View Post

I have the st50 and console gaming 30fps judder is becoming unbearable...anyone with a gt50 know if the gt50 might be a little better in regards to 30fps judder or what has been your experience with 30fps games...also would the gt50 be more resistant to image retention over the st50 for any reason.

same issue.... im probably only a day or two away from returning my ST50 because of the issues im having in games.... check out this video in 720p and you will see the "rainbow color trails" that i am getting in pretty much all my games during fast movement:

i am wondering if the GT50 is any better... because i am willing to pay extra if it means i dont have to deal with this. otherwise it is back to LCDs for me, as i cannot handle the rainbow seizures all over my screen.
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Originally Posted by smith987 View Post

I have the st50 and console gaming 30fps judder is becoming unbearable...anyone with a gt50 know if the gt50 might be a little better in regards to 30fps judder or what has been your experience with 30fps games...also would the gt50 be more resistant to image retention over the st50 for any reason.

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same issue.... im probably only a day or two away from returning my ST50 because of the issues im having in games.... check out this video in 720p and you will see the "rainbow color trails" that i am getting in pretty much all my games during fast movement:i am wondering if the GT50 is any better... because i am willing to pay extra if it means i dont have to deal with this. otherwise it is back to LCDs for me, as i cannot handle the rainbow seizures all over my screen.

Guys, there is no (panasonic) plasma that can do 30fps games without judder / image doubling! Higher models could be even worst, maybe other brands plasma has special 30fps game smoother option. Go LCD that with blur/smoothdown the 30fps judder/doubling.

On plasma with 30fps games, don't use GAME MODE, try other picture options to blur down the image.
Set Motion Smoother:strong, Block NR:on, Mosquito NR:on, Video NR:strong etc.

Don't use HDMI, use (analog) Component video or video to get "blur" effect to simulate the LCD tv!
Edited by iBrad - 11/4/12 at 3:10am
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