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post #481 of 9047
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Originally Posted by threephi View Post

Well I picked up the panasonic DMP-BDT320 at the same time I got my GT50, no complaints so far. I'm not sure what you're asking about though. Perhaps this would better be asked in the Blu-ray player or 3D components forums.

The 3D effects controller is available on Panasonic Blu-ray player and based on what its advertised to do, it can do things like adjust 3D Depth. So I was just curious as to how much of a adjustment is available on it.

The Model you purchased, BDT-320, is actually the one I am looking at buying. Amazon doesn't advertise the 3D effects controller, but they do on older models. I just checked Panasonics Tech sheet and the controller is on the newer models too.

I will probably ask on the other forums later though as you mentioned.
post #482 of 9047
My GT50 has that new burn in electronics smell. I'm sure thats all it is. Plasma seems to have it's own aroma. It's seems to be slowly going away now.
post #483 of 9047
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Originally Posted by mcbiidermen View Post

I have read that black bars can eventually cause burn in, but I am hoping this applies to older Plasmas, and a lot of the time people tend to blow things out of proportion so I wanted to ask around for peoples' personal experiences with plasma.

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About black bars--I'm still learning about how plasma works, but is the concern that it might lead to strong IR or burn-in?

If you watch movies with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 there are black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. There is no phosphor reacting in those black bars so the phosphor doesn't age. With age, phosphors slowly lose brightness. If you watched nothing but 2.35:1 aspect ratio movies for a year, the phosphors in the black bars would still be brand new, and the phosphors in the center of the screen would be one year old. At some point if you changed to watching a 1:78:1 (16x9) movie you might notice that the image was a bit brighter top and bottom than in the center.

If on the other hand you keep your display on ESPN 24/7 for a year or more, there would be fixed images burned into the phosphors by the ESPN logo, the ESPN ticker, and to some extent the ESPN pattern that they use when then run 1:33:1 (4x3) SD material on their HDTV channel. That's burn-in that you probably couldn't get rid of.

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Or that running a big section of the screen dark for too long will differentially age the phosphor coating to the extent you can see a difference?

True, but I don't want to test for how long "too long" is.

We just mix what we watch. In our case I don't need to keep track because there is enough natural variety in what we watch.

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When I was playing around with the set last night exploring some of the 3D options, I saw some prominent IR for the first time. It came up because I paused the blu-ray movie I was watching on the final credits and spent perhaps ten or fifteen minutes navigating the blu-ray player's settings and options menu. When I exited those screens and came back to the credits, I saw faint but noticeable IR against the almost completely black screen. I ran the built-in "scrolling bars" anti-IR feature for about two minutes and it completely cleared up so thumbs up for that feature.

So you caused Image Retention (IR) and as it should, it went away easily.

If you had left your display like that and went off to Maui for a long time, you would have probably come home to burn-in.
post #484 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

My GT50 has that new burn in electronics smell. I'm sure thats all it is. Plasma seems to have it's own aroma. It's seems to be slowly going away now.

My 929 did the same thing.
post #485 of 9047
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Very interesting point regarding display distance from the wall. Like anything that makes a sound, reverberation off a solid object, like a wall, can have a dramatic influence on what you hear. Experimenting with that distance might be worth your time.

I tried moving it forward, tilting and moving sideways, little difference. I hear the buzz. Loudest in the center, behind it. But I measured 13 feet back, muted the sound and I can hear the buzz, or during transitions to commercials or silent scenes. So it is bugging me now. I went to BB and they have one in box, no display units up. I'm tempted as a last resort to buy it to compare and keep if better. But that would be the third return in 2 weeks to BB if I returned it too.

I was able to hear buzzing on a new Samsung in BB, but not on the VT30, but it was out in the open and I think there is too much noise in the store to hear the difference between acceptable and not acceptable.

This frustrates me since otherwise it's great.
post #486 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

My GT50 has that new burn in electronics smell. I'm sure thats all it is. Plasma seems to have it's own aroma. It's seems to be slowly going away now.

Kinda like the new car smell.......
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post #487 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

My GT50 has that new burn in electronics smell. I'm sure thats all it is. Plasma seems to have it's own aroma. It's seems to be slowly going away now.

My Onkyo A/V Receiver had a burning electronics smell when it was new, and my 23" Viewsonic PC monitor did it too. Lots of electronic things emit such a smell when they're new. Give it a few days to burn off and settle down. If it's real bad though and/or lasts a few weeks, then maybe something is defective inside the TV.
post #488 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Italian Dude View Post

@rikemomo: The two pictures you provided that are of light and dark room of the guy in the white shirt and tie show very different skin tones and brightness. There is even a hint of blue glow on the white shirt. Do you know what is causing this? Did you use different modes? It looks like the dark room view is a better image, more realistic skin tone and better whites. I assume the room lighting has nothing to do with the picture differences, unless it has sensor that changes the picture automatically like my LCD (that I disabled).

Thanks.

Hi--
Yes, like the other guys said, this was all to do with my iphone's camera, not the set itself.

Sorry for the late reply, I've been at a conference all week and didn't have time to check the forums!
post #489 of 9047
[quote=curiousdude;21924047]New images were added on Amazon. Looks sexy -

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haha--thanks! that's my setup!! It's taken a long time but I am very pleased with and it...the GT50 really has completed it--though I kind of want a new receiver, I must admit!

I hope the other photos proved useful as well!

best,
mike
post #490 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Thank you. I'm glad you find them helpful.

I'm was gone all week so I am a bit late but thanks for this great reviewvery readable and technical at the same time. Super appreciated.

have a great weekend!
post #491 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

My GT50 has that new burn in electronics smell. I'm sure thats all it is. Plasma seems to have it's own aroma. It's seems to be slowly going away now.

After I got my new HDTV (not a Panny) everything was okay at first, but then I noticed a really bad smell. It wasn't a burning insulation smell but it would get pretty rank. But every time I smelled that odor, I'd walk over to the screen and sniff around and couldn't quite figure out where the odor was coming from.

Around the same time I had my couch repaired and was paranoid that some rodents had gotten inside and died.

During the same period, I noticed that my electricity usage went way up.

I finally discovered that it was the cable box that was emitting the odor and it was probably the cable box that was using all the electricity. I replaced it and everything was fine again.

I believe that certain components in electronics can be relatively toxic when "cooked", so I'd be careful if the odor doesn't go away within a week.
post #492 of 9047
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you watch movies with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 there are black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. There is no phosphor reacting in those black bars so the phosphor doesn't age. With age, phosphors slowly lose brightness. If you watched nothing but 2.35:1 aspect ratio movies for a year, the phosphors in the black bars would still be brand new, and the phosphors in the center of the screen would be one year old. At some point if you changed to watching a 1:78:1 (16x9) movie you might notice that the image was a bit brighter top and bottom than in the center.

I appreciate the additional information on this, thank you.
post #493 of 9047
anybody have the GT50 mounted? does it generate a lot of heat? i can feel the heat off the panel when i walk past it and it is very warm to the touch.
post #494 of 9047
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Originally Posted by mcbiidermen View Post

I appreciate the additional information on this, thank you.

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hi all-

So, I finally had some time to nerd out on the settings a bit and I started checking out the whole difference between 24p at 48Hz and 60Hz, changing the settings on the Oppo-BDP-93 and the TV to see what the differences were (my last set was 720p and I have never seen this before).

Really interesting stuff--I mean, I noticed the difference between 48Hz and 60Hz immediately; my eyes started aching a bit at first, and then I got used to it, but it certainly wasn't anything to write how about. Still, I guess it worked. I've set my Oppo to display 1080p24 on "Auto" and the TV to bring in 24p content at 60Hz -- is this what you guys would recommend (with the usual caveats of personal taste)?

I was also very confused about the who 4:4:4 settings, which I guess are handled on the TV via "1080p Pure Direct mode" and then, on the Oppo, handled in the HDMI options (I have mine set to auto). I gather that this mode allows for "better" color, but does the content have to be encoded in a certain way to see this?

If there is a better resource on the forum for this info please let me know; I admit, I haven't looked, since I was talking specifically about the GT50 here.

Thanks--hope you are having a good weekend!

-mike
post #496 of 9047
I searched and didn't see this answered but has anyone tried nvidia 3DTV play with there set?
post #497 of 9047
The 65ST50 is available at amazon .. That's good news for 65gt50 probably be available in a week or two..
post #498 of 9047
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

My Onkyo A/V Receiver had a burning electronics smell when it was new, and my 23" Viewsonic PC monitor did it too. Lots of electronic things emit such a smell when they're new. Give it a few days to burn off and settle down. If it's real bad though and/or lasts a few weeks, then maybe something is defective inside the TV.

I agree, I'm not worried at all about the smell at all. It's basically gone now or I just got use to it. Now if the heat this baby generates would go away to I'd be even happier. Almost seems the heat has gone down a little, or maybe because I started to use the THX mode instead of custom with the higher contrast setting lately. I know quite well about that new electronics smell. I own enough old/new electronics to start my own pawn shop! Any electronics that use moderate to high amounts of electricity will have some electronic burn in smell, similar to that new car smell but with a different aroma.
post #499 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Kinda like the new car smell.......

Funny, I hadn't even read your response about that new car smell when I repsonded to Randys response.
post #500 of 9047
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

My 929 did the same thing.

I don't think I remember my 929 having any smell, if it did it wasn't as strong anyway.
post #501 of 9047
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

The 65ST50 is available at amazon .. That's good news for 65gt50 probably be available in a week or two..

I went by my BB today, and they were able to pull up the 65gt50 (it was listed in their system at the MSRP of the 65st50 btw), but couldn't put the order in for me. He said he'd email me when they're orderable. Apparently calmly and simply explaining that I want one right now does nothing to speed up production or inventory.
post #502 of 9047
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

The 65ST50 is available at amazon .. That's good news for 65gt50 probably be available in a week or two..


yes, and now that Tigerdirect has shown the first real sale price on the 60st50 at ~20% below list in < 1 month of release... I won't have to wait to long to pick up the 65gt50 at an awesome price

free skype cameras, free glasses, ~20% below list... it's awful early to be giving these deals but I think LG is really putting the pressure on everyone else

so let the price wars begin!
post #503 of 9047
Saw some line bleed today for the first time. It's not as noticeable in THX Bright mode as it is in THX Cinema. But in this screen shot it actually rose to the level of ruining the picture IMO since it created distracting, alternating bands directly across the entire face during a closeup.


THX Cinema mode. That's an iphone photo of a close-up of the screen, re-compressed on the image host to make it smaller, but it's a faithful representation of the defect relative to the picture.

Here's another example:


I have read that line bleed is a known hazard with plasmas, and truthfully, it isn't noticeable most of the time, but when it is, it surely is.

My questions are, can anything be done to mitigate it, is this level of discoloration normal or does my set show more, or less than what is considered typical on panavision plasmas, and are other people seeing it on their sets too?
post #504 of 9047
We just set up our 50" GT50 at work today and the one thing that surprised me after a few hours of use was the heat. I don't mean just a tiny bit of warmth, you could fry an egg on the screen. Granted maybe it's the thin size of a 50" and being such a thin plasma, but it really shocked me how hot it got.
post #505 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Kudzu79 View Post

We just set up our 50" GT50 at work today and the one thing that surprised me after a few hours of use was the heat. I don't mean just a tiny bit of warmth, you could fry an egg on the screen. Granted maybe it's the thin size of a 50" and being such a thin plasma, but it really shocked me how hot it got.

I've never been a fan of thin for thin's sake. Our 8G 60" Kuro has just enough heat coming from the screen to detect if your hand is one or two inches from the screen. The vent area across the top back of the display is toward the higher end of what I would call warm. I would not call it hot.

Maybe there is a relationship between the heat released and the thinness of the display. Our 2007 Pioneer is 4" thick in the area where the vents are located.
post #506 of 9047
So you can hook up a hard drive to the tv right?Does anybody know if you can would you be able to play flac audio files,mkv files,dvd iso and bd rom video and iso files?

Does the St version of the tv have the hard drive feature?If it wasn't for st version only having 14 ms lag and gt version having 30 ms lag for gaming itd be clear choice for gt.
post #507 of 9047
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I've never been a fan of thin for thin's sake. Our 8G 60" Kuro has just enough heat coming from the screen to detect if your hand is one or two inches from the screen. The vent area across the top back of the display is toward the higher end of what I would call warm. I would not call it hot.

Maybe there is a relationship between the heat released and the thinness of the display. Our 2007 Pioneer is 4" thick in the area where the vents are located.

That's what i'm thinking, because the VT30 and GT30 were a little thicker, but never really got that hot. We would run those 2 models all day and they might conduct a little amount of heat, but nothing like I experienced yesterday. Now if the VT's are as hot, i'll be upset because there is no need for that. I'm glad I decided on getting the 60" Elite LED over the new GT50.
post #508 of 9047
All plasmas run hot
post #509 of 9047
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

All plasmas run hot

Really? man and this whole time I thought I was going crazy!
Thanks for letting me know

hahaha
post #510 of 9047
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Originally Posted by threephi View Post

Saw some line bleed today for the first time. It's not as noticeable in THX Bright mode as it is in THX Cinema. But in this screen shot it actually rose to the level of ruining the picture IMO since it created distracting, alternating bands directly across the entire face during a closeup.

THX Cinema mode. That's an iphone photo of a close-up of the screen, re-compressed on the image host to make it smaller, but it's a faithful representation of the defect relative to the picture.

I have read that line bleed is a known hazard with plasmas, and truthfully, it isn't noticeable most of the time, but when it is, it surely is.

My questions are, can anything be done to mitigate it, is this level of discoloration normal or does my set show more, or less than what is considered typical on panavision plasmas, and are other people seeing it on their sets too?


Anyone know the technical reason behind by line-bleed occurs? I'm curious.
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