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post #4921 of 9713
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Originally Posted by 2tvsonecup View Post

Yep, I couldn't connect to Netflix this evening, either from my bluray player or TV directly.

Hello,
I am guessing Netflix is overcapacity. With Christmas Eve being one of those nights were almost all people stay at home, it makes sense to me. I grant you it is just conjecture, but it is also down on my iPhone 5 used on a Wireless N Network.
Cheers,
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post #4922 of 9713
I recently changed my wifi password and now my tv doesn't connect anymore!!! I went into the network menu and tried everything and I can't change the password on my tv so it could reconnect. Any suggestions?
post #4923 of 9713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

I recently changed my wifi password and now my tv doesn't connect anymore!!! I went into the network menu and tried everything and I can't change the password on my tv so it could reconnect. Any suggestions?

Is your password Case Sensitive?

Why can't you change the password on your TV?
post #4924 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Is your password Case Sensitive?
Why can't you change the password on your TV?
I have no option to. I even did a full restore on my set. Just says connecting. Then times out.
post #4925 of 9713
The label on the back of my TV shows the manufacturing ID as TC-P60GT50-2. My TV was manufactured in November. Does anyone know if the -2 signifies an updated version of the GT50? I know I do not hear buzzing of any kind even with the volume turned down so maybe they resolved that issue in the later models. See label.
post #4926 of 9713
Thread Starter 
The designer of the TV said the -2 suffix was an internal designation only and has nothing to do with picture quality or functionality. My GT50 as well as most other people here don't have a -2 unit and we don't have defective buzzing TVs. Mine is virtually silent from one foot away, as they all should be.
post #4927 of 9713
OK so I was looking at the GT50 last week and chickened out because I've never owned a plasma before. I ended up buying the LG55LM9600. The uneven backlighting was annoying enough that I returned it and I'm now officially an owner of the 60" GT50. First impressions, after the great feeling of getting around $200 back in my pocket and another 5" of TV screen, were that I LOVE this set and am glad I decided to give plasma a try.

That said: I have one vertical band all the way to the right side that can be overlooked compared to what I just returned and it's literally located about an inch and half from the right edge of the screen so I'm ok with that mostly. I was also seeing rainbowed flashes every time I looked at another part of the screen or looked away from the screen and thought I was going nuts or seeing things until I looked up rainbows and plasmas... well what do you know, I'm not alone. Anyway, that too can be overlooked for this picture quality I'm seeing right now.

I know this has probably been discussed before but I guess I need some reassurance because I'm the worrying type. I really want to play some video games that have static images. Do I have to wait a 100 hours? I've been running colored slides and some xbox visualization affects while I'm not watching TV and then I've been watching full screen Netflix TV shows/Movies since yesterday. If I CAN play video games right away, is there a time limit that I have to keep in mind so I don't have to worry about IR or whatever? Being a plasma owner is new to me and I don't want any problems.

Thanks for the help
post #4928 of 9713
I say play up to two hours at a time at first. The worst case scenario you take it back if anything burns in. I pay black ops constantly with more a hint of ir. You might want to return anyways for that banding your talking about anyways.
post #4929 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

I say play up to two hours at a time at first. The worst case scenario you take it back if anything burns in. I pay black ops constantly with more a hint of ir. You might want to return anyways for that banding your talking about anyways.

Thanks for the help.

Yeah the band isn't that bad. If I wasn't running the slides, it may have been a while before I ever noticed it. During the diplay of some of the colored slides, like gray for example, I can see it but during normal viewing it doesn't seem to be a bother. I just really don't want to go back to the store for a third time and I'm sure there is no perfect TV out there anyway.
post #4930 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ASiani View Post

Thanks for the help.
Yeah the band isn't that bad. If I wasn't running the slides, it may have been a while before I ever noticed it. During the diplay of some of the colored slides, like gray for example, I can see it but during normal viewing it doesn't seem to be a bother. I just really don't want to go back to the store for a third time and I'm sure there is no perfect TV out there anyway.
I would consider mine mine damn near perfect. Just saying. If I could reconfigure my wifi connection I would be a more than pleased individual.
post #4931 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

I would consider mine mine damn near perfect. Just saying. If I could reconfigure my wifi connection I would be a more than pleased individual.

Sounds like you got lucky. I just did a little reading and it appears this gray vertical shadow line an inch from the right of the bezel is fairly common in this set and I'm not going to torture myself by going through 5 sets like I see some doing to get one without it. It's more visible with the green or gray slides but during normal viewing I don't notice it unless I'm really staring at that spot now that I know where it is.
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Originally Posted by ASiani View Post

Sounds like you got lucky. I just did a little reading and it appears this gray vertical shadow line an inch from the right of the bezel is fairly common in this set and I'm not going to torture myself by going through 5 sets like I see some doing to get one without it. It's more visible with the green or gray slides but during normal viewing I don't notice it unless I'm really staring at that spot now that I know where it is.

And i've seen reports of such bands diminishing or even disappearing after 100-200 hours of use.
post #4933 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

I would consider mine mine damn near perfect. Just saying. If I could reconfigure my wifi connection I would be a more than pleased individual.

Sounds like you got lucky. I just did a little reading and it appears this gray vertical shadow line an inch from the right of the bezel is fairly common in this set and I'm not going to torture myself by going through 5 sets like I see some doing to get one without it. It's more visible with the green or gray slides but during normal viewing I don't notice it unless I'm really staring at that spot now that I know where it is.

It is not a common problem. Not at all. Consider his many are sold compared to his many reports of this problem you have read. If it were a common problem you would see widespread reports and comments from professional calibrators in the field.
post #4934 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

And i've seen reports of such bands diminishing or even disappearing after 100-200 hours of use.

I saw that too and it does give me hope. Either way I'm happy I decided to give plasma a try. When I was retruning the LG55LM9600 I had the Panasonic WT50 ready to check out and I got the GT50 at the last minute.
post #4935 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

I would consider mine mine damn near perfect. Just saying. If I could reconfigure my wifi connection I would be a more than pleased individual.

Have you tried resetting your router? And wifi settings on tv? Disconnect your router for 1 min and reconnect than wait until your online, than try connecting the tv.
post #4936 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

It is not a common problem. Not at all. Consider his many are sold compared to his many reports of this problem you have read. If it were a common problem you would see widespread reports and comments from professional calibrators in the field.

well when I read the posts of people reporting this and it's EXACTLY at the same spot as I have mine, I'd have to say this is a manufacturer flaw and perhaps most people including professional calibrators aren't staring at a gray slide on the screen to see it. Like I said it's hard to even notice under normal viewing conditions. But whatever, I'm not trying to argue and I'm done going back and forth to the store lugging a large TV to get one that MAY be without some flaw or another.
post #4937 of 9713
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It is not a common problem. Not at all. Consider his many are sold compared to his many reports of this problem you have read. If it were a common problem you would see widespread reports and comments from professional calibrators in the field.

well when I read the posts of people reporting this and it's EXACTLY at the same spot as I have mine, I'd have to say this is a manufacturer flaw and perhaps most people including professional calibrators aren't staring at a gray slide on the screen to see it. Like I said it's hard to even notice under normal viewing conditions. But whatever, I'm not trying to argue and I'm done going back and forth to the store lugging a large TV to get one that MAY be without some flaw or another.

Calibrators are staring at a lot of gray slides. They would see it. The number of people reporting this is minuscule. Every display on the market has some flawed units that pop up. Every single year, every single model line, from every manufacturer. Gauging the frequency of these issues off of Internet forum posts is always problematic since we represent a fraction of a single percentage point of all total sales. It's an incredibly skewed demographic.

You take the same chance of getting a display with flaws no matter what you buy. At least with the GT50, you get the best on the market aside from the VT50.
post #4938 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Calibrators are staring at a lot of gray slides. They would see it. The number of people reporting this is minuscule. Every display on the market has some flawed units that pop up. Every single year, every single model line, from every manufacturer. Gauging the frequency of these issues off of Internet forum posts is always problematic since we represent a fraction of a single percentage point of all total sales. It's an incredibly skewed demographic.

There's a thread with 116 post of people talking about this "problem" including people that went through mulitple sets and still got it again. I wouldn't have even found the thread if I didn't have this issue and I googled it. Are these people really that unlucky or is it perhaps common? Now I think that most reviewers of this TV are probably not bothering to read up on forums to see good calibration settings and looking at slides and would probably never notice this even if they got one with it but to say that this issue is uncommon just seems like someone that really wants to defend this TV because you are one of the lucky ones to get a TV without a flaw and that's really great for you.

Here is a direct quote from another thread about this:

"I got my 3rd 55vt50 here in Greece, same fault vertical line on the right side! I dont know what to do anymore! I want a proper 55vt50!!! Should i go for my 4th change or stay with the one thick vertical line?"

If it was more common to get one without it, than that guy must have really made the TV gods angry somewhere along the way lol

I just want to add that the picture on this set is beautiful and I'm very happy with my GT50. My last two sets were LCD and LED/LCD and I can see now that those sets don't hold a candle to this one.
Edited by ASiani - 12/25/12 at 1:27pm
post #4939 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Calibrators are staring at a lot of gray slides. They would see it. The number of people reporting this is minuscule. Every display on the market has some flawed units that pop up. Every single year, every single model line, from every manufacturer. Gauging the frequency of these issues off of Internet forum posts is always problematic since we represent a fraction of a single percentage point of all total sales. It's an incredibly skewed demographic.

There's a thread with 116 post of people talking about this "problem" including people that went through mulitple sets and still got it again. I wouldn't have even found the thread if I didn't have this issue and I googled it. Are these people really that unlucky or is it perhaps common? Now I think that most reviewers of this TV are probably not bothering to read up on forums to see good calibration settings and looking at slides and would probably never notice this even if they got one with it but to say that this issue is uncommon just seems like someone that really wants to defend this TV because you are one of the lucky ones to get a TV without a flaw and that's really great for you.

Here is a direct quote from another thread about this:

"I got my 3rd 55vt50 here in Greece, same fault vertical line on the right side! I dont know what to do anymore! I want a proper 55vt50!!! Should i go for my 4th change or stay with the one thick vertical line?"

If it was more common to get one without it, than that guy must have really made the TV gods angry somewhere along the way lol

I'm not going to argue with you about it. That's 116 posts...spread along many posters. There is NO evidence to support the claim that this is a common problem. A fraction of a single percentage point does not indicate a trend. Good luck with whatever display you choose.
post #4940 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ASiani View Post

There's a thread with 116 post of people talking about this "problem" including people that went through mulitple sets and still got it again.

You actually counted the number of people talking about this problem? How many of them actually own a TV with this problem?

And where is this thread? Please provide the link to that thread, i'd like to see it.



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I wouldn't have even found the thread if I didn't have this issue and I googled it.

People who have defective TVs tend to search the internet for others with the same problem and usually end up finding AVS and post their own negative experience, just as you have, and other people read it and assume that it must be some widespread problem that affects all of these TVs, when in fact it is just a very small percent. They sell millions of these TVs every year - if they were all plagued with this problem you'd see tens of thousands of posts about it, not just 116. Forums such as this are a gathering point for people with problems or issues.



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Are these people really that unlucky or is it perhaps common?

I'd go with unlucky. You haven't seen any reports from the other several million owners, because they are not having this problem so they're not posting about it.


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Now I think that most reviewers of this TV are probably not bothering to read up on forums to see good calibration settings and looking at slides and would probably never notice this even if they got one with it but to say that this issue is uncommon just seems like someone that really wants to defend this TV because you are one of the lucky ones to get a TV without a flaw and that's really great for you.

It's not that we're lucky because we got a good one, the ones who got a bad one are unlucky. Big difference. 98% of us are in the lucky category. The factory turns out millions of panels - if the robotic machine that applies the black filter to the face of the panel or applies the anti-reflective coating to the outer glass suffers a problem then hundreds of panels might make it onto the production lines before the problem is discovered and the robot is fixed, and the affected panels could have been shipped to several assembly plants and the final TVs could end up on the same pallet, or spread across several distribution centers.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of us got issue-free TVs. Are we lucky? No. This is how it's supposed to be - getting a properly functioning TV.

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Here is a direct quote from another thread about this:
"I got my 3rd 55vt50 here in Greece, same fault vertical line on the right side! I dont know what to do anymore! I want a proper 55vt50!!! Should i go for my 4th change or stay with the one thick vertical line?" If it was more common to get one without it, than that guy must have really made the TV gods angry somewhere along the way lol

I've been reading this forum for about 13 years and i've seen lots of people in threads for various brands over the years who have gotten 2, 3, and even 4 bad sets in a row until finally getting one good enough to keep so it's not like it's unfathomable or anything. Remember, there are millions of people with zero problems, and only a very small percentage of owners suffering a defect.
post #4941 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

You actually counted the number of people talking about this problem? How many of them actually own a TV with this problem?
And where is this thread? Please provide the link to that thread, i'd like to see it.
People who have defective TVs tend to search the internet for others with the same problem and usually end up finding AVS and post their own negative experience, just as you have, and other people read it and assume that it must be some widespread problem that affects all of these TVs, when in fact it is just a very small percent. They sell millions of these TVs every year - if they were all plagued with this problem you'd see tens of thousands of posts about it, not just 116. Forums such as this are a gathering point for people with problems or issues.
I'd go with unlucky. You haven't seen any reports from the other several million owners, because they are not having this problem so they're not posting about it.
It's not that we're lucky because we got a good one, the ones who got a bad one are unlucky. Big difference. 98% of us are in the lucky category. The factory turns out millions of panels - if the robotic machine that applies the black filter to the face of the panel or applies the anti-reflective coating to the outer glass suffers a problem then hundreds of panels might make it onto the production lines before the problem is discovered and the robot is fixed, and the affected panels could have been shipped to several assembly plants and the final TVs could end up on the same pallet, or spread across several distribution centers.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of us got issue-free TVs. Are we lucky? No. This is how it's supposed to be - getting a properly functioning TV.
I've been reading this forum for about 13 years and i've seen lots of people in threads for various brands over the years who have gotten 2, 3, and even 4 bad sets in a row until finally getting one good enough to keep so it's not like it's unfathomable or anything. Remember, there are millions of people with zero problems, and only a very small percentage of owners suffering a defect.

I actually think this is a really nice TV and I'm really not complaining and I'm keeping the set. However, since you guys are hell bent on proving your point that the GT50 is the holy grail of tvs and I just got a bad one I will respond to your very defensive posts. Keep in mind, I was only sharing my experience, and not bad mouthing this TV at all.

So to answer some of your questions/comments, no I have not counted the number of people with this problem, nor do I have a fact sheet in front of me to confirm your claim of millions of people owning this set. I can only count the number of reviews from the various sources around the net selling this TV and forums of people talking about this TV and really the number is not that high.. Of THAT number available, I'd say problems with these TVs are common enough that I can say something like "common issue" since I found a nice group acknowledging what I experienced. Of all the "millions" of GT50 owners out there, how many of them would visit a forum if they did notice an imperfection and how many just accept it and live with it? I'm guessing most people wouldn't care enough to post minor flaws. I did because I wanted to post my honest expericence with my set so far.

Of the people that do own this TV, how many of them looked at gray slides on the screen? I don't know. I do know that if I wasn't running the "break-in" slides, I probably would have thought I did have a perfect panel and I may have never seen that gray vertical shadow as I said it's really not noticable during regular viewing. Well now that I know where to look I can see it though. I know that when I saw it I googled it and since I did find other people with VT, ST, and GT 50's posting the same concerns, so I know that I'm not the only one. I tried to copy in the link for you but it didn't work. I searched specifically for band on right side of my TV and I found a thread titled "Vertical lines on Panny Plasmas on the right side??" you could google that and you will see the thread I read. I probably could have found more threads if I really wanted too.

More often than not, I see people talking about this panel lottery so I do belive TVs are just imperfect these days and we settle on the best we can. My last set, the LG55LM9600 was totally unacceptable and I returned it for this one. This TV, even with it's imperfection, is still great and it's not bad enough that I'd return it. Perhaps some people are just more sensitive to visual and audio imperfections than others. Does this TV buzz like some people state? Absolutely it does. However, between refrigerator noises, computrer noises/fans and my fish tank, what's one more hum in the background from a piece of equipment.

Honestly though, If people are getting three bad sets in a row for any brand TV or any product, then there is a definite problem with manufacturing. I rarely see this happen as much as I do with the current TV market for all brands. In defense of this TV myself, it's so nice and the gray line is so subtle that it really isn't taking away from my enjoyment and don't watch gray/green slides on a regular basis so even if it doen't "go away on it's own", I won't be regretting the switch I made yesterday in the slightest. That uneven backlighting I just came from was horrendous.
Edited by ASiani - 12/25/12 at 3:39pm
post #4942 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ASiani View Post

I actually think this is a really nice TV and I'm really not complaining and I'm keeping the set. However, since you guys are hell bent on proving your point that the GT50 is the holy grail of tvs and I just got a bad one I will respond to your very defensive posts. Keep in mind, I was only sharing my experience, and not bad mouthing this TV at all.
So to answer some of your questions/comments, no I have not counted the number of people with this problem, nor do I have a fact sheet in front of me to confirm your claim of millions of people owning this set. I can only count the number of reviews from the various sources around the net selling this TV and forums of people talking about this TV and really the number is not that high.. Of THAT number available, I'd say problems with these TVs are common enough that I can say something like "common issue" since I found a nice group acknowledging what I experienced. Of all the "millions" of GT50 owners out there, how many of them would visit a forum if they did notice an imperfection and how many just accept it and live with it? I'm guessing most people wouldn't care enough to post minor flaws. I did because I wanted to post my honest expericence with my set so far.
Of the people that do own this TV, how many of them looked at gray slides on the screen? I don't know. I do know that if I wasn't running the "break-in" slides, I probably would have thought I did have a perfect panel and I may have never seen that gray vertical shadow as I said it's really not noticable during regular viewing. Well now that I know where to look I can see it though. I know that when I saw it I googled it and since I did find other people with VT, ST, and GT 50's posting the same concerns, so I know that I'm not the only one. I tried to copy in the link for you but it didn't work. I searched specifically for band on right side of my TV and I found a thread titled "Vertical lines on Panny Plasmas on the right side??" you could google that and you will see the thread I read. I probably could have found more threads if I really wanted too.
More often than not, I see people talking about this panel lottery so I do belive TVs are just imperfect these days and we settle on the best we can. My last set, the LG55LM9600 was totally unacceptable and I returned it for this one. This TV, even with it's imperfection, is still great and it's not bad enough that I'd return it. Perhaps some people are just more sensitive to visual and audio imperfections than others. Does this TV buzz like some people state? Absolutely it does. However, between refrigerator noises, computrer noises/fans and my fish tank, what's one more hum in the background from a piece of equipment.
Honestly though, If people are getting three bad sets in a row for any brand TV or any product, then there is a definite problem with manufacturing. I rarely see this happen as much as I do with the current TV market for all brands. In defense of this TV myself, it's so nice and the gray line is so subtle that it really isn't taking away from my enjoyment and don't watch gray/green slides on a regular basis so even if it doen't "go away on it's own", I won't be regretting the switch I made yesterday in the slightest. That uneven backlighting I just came from was horrendous.

You might consider having it professionally calibrated. I had mine done by Chad B ( there are many very good ones out there) and in addition to having a fine set look even better, which to me was certainly worth the cost, these folks as they go along with their calibration will tell you if they come across something that doesn't look right to them and they could help set your mind at ease one way or the other. I think personally you would be impressed with the quality of the picture. In my case I thought I had tuned my new set up very well but as I watched the calibration I realized that without the very expensive equipment and knowledge of how to use it there really wasn't any way for me to get the quality picture that I now have.
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Bluetooth headsets compatible with GT50?

I tried to connect a Sony MW1, but was asked to enter a pin code by the TV "wizard". I entered 0000 and 1234, but it didn't work. Where can I find this pin?

Has anyone succesfully connected the Sony MW1 or a similar bluetooth headset to the TV?
post #4944 of 9713
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You might consider having it professionally calibrated. I had mine done by Chad B ( there are many very good ones out there) and in addition to having a fine set look even better, which to me was certainly worth the cost, these folks as they go along with their calibration will tell you if they come across something that doesn't look right to them and they could help set your mind at ease one way or the other. I think personally you would be impressed with the quality of the picture. In my case I thought I had tuned my new set up very well but as I watched the calibration I realized that without the very expensive equipment and knowledge of how to use it there really wasn't any way for me to get the quality picture that I now have.

Thanks, I was thinking that I would really like to do that this time around. I'm in the suburbs of Northeast Philadelphia and I don't know who is good. I bought the set from Best Buy but I'm not sure they are the best choice. Anyway I'm heading there now to see if they will price match the Sears price of 3D glasses that someone posted on the previous page.
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Thanks, I was thinking that I would really like to do that this time around. I'm in the suburbs of Northeast Philadelphia and I don't know who is good. I bought the set from Best Buy but I'm not sure they are the best choice. Anyway I'm heading there now to see if they will price match the Sears price of 3D glasses that someone posted on the previous page.

Chad B does calibration tours to Pennsylvania I highly recommend him
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The designer of the TV said the -2 suffix was an internal designation only and has nothing to do with picture quality or functionality. My GT50 as well as most other people here don't have a -2 unit and we don't have defective buzzing TVs. Mine is virtually silent from one foot away, as they all should be.
Thanks Randy
post #4947 of 9713
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Chad B does calibration tours to Pennsylvania I highly recommend him

Thank You
post #4948 of 9713
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Originally Posted by bengtssjan View Post

Bluetooth headsets compatible with GT50?
I tried to connect a Sony MW1, but was asked to enter a pin code by the TV "wizard". I entered 0000 and 1234, but it didn't work. Where can I find this pin?
Has anyone succesfully connected the Sony MW1 or a similar bluetooth headset to the TV?
I use a pair of Creative WP-450's with my GT50. They work perfectly. I entered the pin 0000 and was connected. No lip sync problems.
post #4949 of 9713
Since I've connected to the Viera apps I get pop-up ads now when I turn the TV on.....is that something I have to live with now?
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I believe you can turn it off via setup etc.
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Since I've connected to the Viera apps I get pop-up ads now when I turn the TV on.....is that something I have to live with now?
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