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post #5131 of 9717
i've got the GT, maybe 100ish hours on it. i used some calibration numbers from either here or Dnice(i don't recall).

anyway, something i got on my set is wicked IR from my sony 590/790. there is a bright white horizontal stripe on the menu of the blu ray player and it's burned in bad. you can only see it on green screens though so not much of an issue, but something to watch out for. i must've taken too long to set up the player, although i don't remember really leaving it on for too too long at any point.

not knocking either unit, just alerting of something to watch for.
post #5132 of 9717
I have a PS3 connected to my 42GT50 and the image quality is outright TERRIBLE! frown.gif

The image is full of jaggies - something that will annoy the pants off any avid gamer out there.

For now, I've experienced this with Infamous and Killzone 2, and currently with Assassin's Creed II.

Anyone have any ideas how to take those unbelievably frustrating jaggies away:eek:?
post #5133 of 9717
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Originally Posted by cephla View Post

I have a PS3 connected to my 42GT50 and the image quality is outright TERRIBLE! frown.gif

The image is full of jaggies - something that will annoy the pants off any avid gamer out there.

For now, I've experienced this with Infamous and Killzone 2, and currently with Assassin's Creed II.

Anyone have any ideas how to take those unbelievably frustrating jaggies away:eek:?

Post your settings.
post #5134 of 9717
Just an FYI:

Well, I've also fallen victim to whatever it may be, be it Image Retention or Burn In. I have the 65GT50 that I bought off Amazon the week of Thanksgiving. I didn't do the slides, and have had it on THX Cinema mode since day 1. Well, I have noticed that two channels that I watch a lot, the local NBC affiliate, and Tru-TV, both have their logos burned into the lower right hand side. I tried doing the Image Retention swipe (black and white scroll) for 15 minutes that's part of the setup menu on the tv, but that didn't help. I can't figure out how to turn on Pixel Orbiter, but who knows if that would help either.

I am not happy and not sure what to do at this point. I really don't want to be stuck with a brand new tv that I paid a lot of money for and less than two months in, having it ruined already. frown.gif
post #5135 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Boston Red Sox View Post

Just an FYI:

Well, I've also fallen victim to whatever it may be, be it Image Retention or Burn In. I have the 65GT50 that I bought off Amazon the week of Thanksgiving. I didn't do the slides, and have had it on THX Cinema mode since day 1. Well, I have noticed that two channels that I watch a lot, the local NBC affiliate, and Tru-TV, both have their logos burned into the lower right hand side. I tried doing the Image Retention swipe (black and white scroll) for 15 minutes that's part of the setup menu on the tv, but that didn't help. I can't figure out how to turn on Pixel Orbiter, but who knows if that would help either.

I am not happy and not sure what to do at this point. I really don't want to be stuck with a brand new tv that I paid a lot of money for and less than two months in, having it ruined already. frown.gif

The Pixel Orbiter is disabled in the THX modes, but is useless anyway. Run the scrolling bar more than once. Try watching some Pixar type 1.78:1 films. You have to vary your content during the first 100-200 hours. That truTV logo is horrible:
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post #5136 of 9717
i've got the orbiter on and it still happened. AFAIK, it will go away over time...i hope. the cartoon network one is just as bad. rolleyes.gif
post #5137 of 9717
Settings on the PS3:

CCRF: Off
RGB: Limited
Super-White: Off
Deep-Color: Automatic

Settings On GT50:

Game Mode (Default Settings)

I've tried adjusting the color, contrast, and sharpness but it hasn't helped. This includes keeping the sharpness at 0.mad.gif
post #5138 of 9717
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Yes, a lot of owners play games on the GT50 series plasmas, and on other plasmas. If you watch a big variety of other material you shouldn't have a problem. If gaming is your main activity, you might have trouble. I don't game.
LED refers to the back light of a LCD display. What you you mean by "I game a lot"?
Some do, most don't.

I game a couple hours a night, but I do watch movies and Tv as well.
And I know that LED is just an LCD but back lit, what I meant was, is back list better or worse than how LED just lights around the edges of the display. Maybe I should have asked is edge lit or back lit better.
post #5139 of 9717
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Originally Posted by cephla View Post

Settings on the PS3:

CCRF: Off
RGB: Limited
Super-White: Off
Deep-Color: Automatic

Settings On GT50:

Game Mode (Default Settings)

I've tried adjusting the color, contrast, and sharpness but it hasn't helped. This includes keeping the sharpness at 0.mad.gif

Super-White should be on. Might as well turn Deep Color off as it will not be used at all.

Use THX Cinema or Custom picture mode (try some of the available Custom mode settings and see if any suit you). There are many things wrong with the default Game Mode settings. Those poor settings include Contrast, Brightness, Color, Sharpness, Color Temperature, Color Management, and Video NR. So...basically everything about the Game Mode defaults are horrific. smile.gif
Edited by HD-Master - 1/2/13 at 11:26am
post #5140 of 9717
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Originally Posted by dcarroll View Post

i've got the GT, maybe 100ish hours on it. i used some calibration numbers from either here or Dnice(i don't recall).
anyway, something i got on my set is wicked IR from my sony 590/790. there is a bright white horizontal stripe on the menu of the blu ray player and it's burned in bad. you can only see it on green screens though so not much of an issue, but something to watch out for. i must've taken too long to set up the player, although i don't remember really leaving it on for too too long at any point.
not knocking either unit, just alerting of something to watch for.

Only seen on green screens ????

Are you seeing IR or are you seeing line bleed on the green MPA screen at the beginning of the disk? Line bleed on the green rating screen is the most notorious quirk of nearly every PDP ever produced.

If you can only see it on that screen, it's just simple line bleed and a universal "fault" of plasma in general.
post #5141 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Red Sox View Post

Just an FYI:
Well, I've also fallen victim to whatever it may be, be it Image Retention or Burn In. I have the 65GT50 that I bought off Amazon the week of Thanksgiving. I didn't do the slides, and have had it on THX Cinema mode since day 1. Well, I have noticed that two channels that I watch a lot, the local NBC affiliate, and Tru-TV, both have their logos burned into the lower right hand side. I tried doing the Image Retention swipe (black and white scroll) for 15 minutes that's part of the setup menu on the tv, but that didn't help. I can't figure out how to turn on Pixel Orbiter, but who knows if that would help either.
I am not happy and not sure what to do at this point. I really don't want to be stuck with a brand new tv that I paid a lot of money for and less than two months in, having it ruined already. frown.gif

Try giving it some more time. I've read from users that sometimes if the IR is bad enough (but not BI), it can take a month or a little more to disappear. Watching full screen (no logo) content can help and also the Disney WOW calibration discs have some took called a pixel jogger or something that can help or even eliminate IR from what I've read on reviews about it.

I'm not sure why the disable the PO on THX mode. There must be a setting within that mode that doesn't play nice with the PO.

I can tell you I'm a firm believer of the PO now though. I turned it off based on some other members comments and that it's only a placebo and doesn't do anything. Well I never noticed IR before I turned it off and when I did turn it off, I watched some games on ESPN and the ESPN (white) and the outlines of the on-screen scoreboard IR'd on the screen. Well, I turned the PO back on (enable) and watched full screen/no logo TV, some Pixar movies (in zoom mode, if they weren't in 1.78 aspect ratio) and it's almost gone. I also watched content on ABC and ESPN2 and I have not noticed any IR from their logos since I've enabled the PO.

You may want to try to capture the setting from the THX mode and see if you can put those settings in the Custom mode and that way you can enable the PO.

Also, if you still want to watch the NBC and TRUtv channels, put the TV in zoom mode to push the logos out of screen view.

I have an ST50 BTW.
post #5142 of 9717
Pixel Orbiter can be enabled on THX. THX disables pixel orbiter because it shifts the screen. THX disables anything that interfers with the natural view of the way a movie should appear. The way you would enable it is go in to settings under picture mode down to aspect adjustments and switch THX to size 1. Pixel Orbiter will now be enabled withTHX.
Edited by Semp1 - 1/2/13 at 7:08pm
post #5143 of 9717
Not sure if this is the right place, so moderators feel free to move or copy elsewhere.

I had an excellent calibration experience with chad b tonight on my gt50. I was using thx cinema and really liked the picture out of the box, I tweaked some of the user settings using spears and munsil. Chad ended up creating a custom mode and through his grayscale service menu and user menu adjustments, looked way better than OOB thx cinema. The contrast was excellent, the colors really popped and overall the image was simply more engaging. Thx cinema OOB was rich but muted and flatter in comparison. I was also startled by how much depth was conveyed in the image in chads custom calibration, it really looked 3 dimensional. The picture also has much better detail and definition, compared to my thx cinema OOB it almost appeared blurry. He also tweaked my thx bright room and while there was a definite improvement there, the custom appears to be my go to choice for almost all viewing both day and night. Then kicker was when my wife came down and instantly said "wow that looks amazing". We went back and forth between my old thx cinema and chads new custom and the difference was very noticeable, my wife who is very much your typical home viewer commented how it had more contrast and definition and that before it looked muted.

The calibrated image in custom mode is set around 50 fl which is the perfect brightness for our room, our nighttime viewing uses a little back corner lamp and sometimes we utilize some ceiling lamps and it looks great regardless. The calibrated thx bright room looks great with more output at 56 fl but the gamma still makes it seem a little washed out to me, though chad really seemed to flatten out the gamma curve whereas OOB it's pretty wild. Its nice to have it but the custom should be everything i will need for virtually all of my viewing.

Ill comment more on chads professionalism and overall customer service in a more appropriate area but basically it was perfect. Chad just recently offered a "geek buster" calibration for those not needing or having the resources for a more full comprehensive ISF calibration, and chad informed me I was his first one! Suffice to say, it is a no brainer IMO for the gt50 since its calibration controls are so limited and that the performance is pretty solid OOB in many respects. I would highly recommend any gt50 owner to consider a professional calibration and I can definitely vouch for chad's knowledge of the gt50.
Edited by Recstar24 - 1/2/13 at 7:10pm
post #5144 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

Not sure if this is the right place, so moderators feel free to move or copy elsewhere.
I had an excellent calibration experience with chad b tonight on my gt50. I was using thx cinema and really liked the picture out of the box, I tweaked some of the user settings using spears and munsil. Chad ended up creating a custom mode and through his grayscale service menu and user menu adjustments, looked way better than OOB thx cinema. The contrast was excellent, the colors really popped and overall the image was simply more engaging. Thx cinema OOB was rich but muted and flatter in comparison. I was also startled by how much depth was conveyed in the image in chads custom calibration, it really looked 3 dimensional. The picture also has much better detail and definition, compared to my thx cinema OOB it almost appeared blurry. He also tweaked my thx bright room and while there was a definite improvement there, the custom appears to be my go to choice for almost all viewing both day and night. Then kicker was when my wife came down and instantly said "wow that looks amazing". We went back and forth between my old thx cinema and chads new custom and the difference was very noticeable, my wife who is very much your typical home viewer commented how it had more contrast and definition and that before it looked muted.
The calibrated image in custom mode is set around 50 fl which is the perfect brightness for our room, our nighttime viewing uses a little back corner lamp and sometimes we utilize some ceiling lamps and it looks great regardless. The calibrated thx bright room looks great with more output at 56 fl but the gamma still makes it seem a little washed out to me, though chad really seemed to flatten out the gamma curve whereas OOB it's pretty wild. Its nice to have it but the custom should be everything i will need for virtually all of my viewing.
Ill comment more on chads professionalism and overall customer service in a more appropriate area but basically it was perfect. Chad just recently offered a "geek buster" calibration for those not needing or having the resources for a more full comprehensive ISF calibration, and chad informed me I was his first one! Suffice to say, it is a no brainer IMO for the gt50 since its calibration controls are so limited and that the performance is pretty solid OOB in many respects. I would highly recommend any gt50 owner to consider a professional calibration and I can definitely vouch for chad's knowledge of the gt50.

Congratulations, sounds like getting a PRO calibration is a very good decision to make and does make a noticable difference. Too bad I don't know any up here in Canada. I wouldn't want best buy to do it.
post #5145 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by highdefav1 View Post

Try giving it some more time. I've read from users that sometimes if the IR is bad enough (but not BI), it can take a month or a little more to disappear. Watching full screen (no logo) content can help and also the Disney WOW calibration discs have some took called a pixel jogger or something that can help or even eliminate IR from what I've read on reviews about it.
I'm not sure why the disable the PO on THX mode. There must be a setting within that mode that doesn't play nice with the PO.
I can tell you I'm a firm believer of the PO now though. I turned it off based on some other members comments and that it's only a placebo and doesn't do anything. Well I never noticed IR before I turned it off and when I did turn it off, I watched some games on ESPN and the ESPN (white) and the outlines of the on-screen scoreboard IR'd on the screen. Well, I turned the PO back on (enable) and watched full screen/no logo TV, some Pixar movies (in zoom mode, if they weren't in 1.78 aspect ratio) and it's almost gone. I also watched content on ABC and ESPN2 and I have not noticed any IR from their logos since I've enabled the PO.
You may want to try to capture the setting from the THX mode and see if you can put those settings in the Custom mode and that way you can enable the PO.
Also, if you still want to watch the NBC and TRUtv channels, put the TV in zoom mode to push the logos out of screen view.
I have an ST50 BTW.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

Pixel Orbiter can be enabled on THX. THX disables pixel orbiter because it shifts the screen. THX disables anything that interfers with the natural view of the way a movie should appear. The way you would enable it is go in to settings under picture mode down to aspect adjustments and switch THX to size 1. Pixel Orbiter will now be enabled withTHX.

Thanks for both of these replies. I did go out tonight and bought some Pixar movies, and will do exactly what's been suggested above.
post #5146 of 9717
Well I went to best buy to buy this TV tonight. Its set to be delivered next wed. thanks everyone for your help.
I think until i get a good number of hours on this TV I will just game on my old plasma.

What is the best station to break in a tv nowadays? I was looking and it seems like they all have a logo.
I did also get toystory 1-3 incase I get any IR. I think as long as I have contrast below 60 I should be ok
post #5147 of 9717
You cannot transfer/copy/capture settings from THX Cinema to another mode. Way too many variables there. Just establish Custom on your own or tweak from settings that have been posted.
post #5148 of 9717
I like encore. Full screen content, no logo for the most part, it comes on before commercials, and runs movies throughout the night.

Just received my bluray of "up" - outside being awesome it's great for the purpose of running contrasty full screen content.
post #5149 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by davelanger View Post

Well I went to best buy to buy this TV tonight. Its set to be delivered next wed. thanks everyone for your help.
I think until i get a good number of hours on this TV I will just game on my old plasma.
What is the best station to break in a tv nowadays? I was looking and it seems like they all have a logo.
I did also get toystory 1-3 incase I get any IR. I think as long as I have contrast below 60 I should be ok
HBO and Cinemax have no logo static images. I used solely these channels for the break in of both my plasma's.
post #5150 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

HBO and Cinemax have no logo static images. I used solely these channels for the break in of both my plasma's.

Thanks
post #5151 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

I like encore. Full screen content, no logo for the most part, it comes on before commercials, and runs movies throughout the night.
Just received my bluray of "up" - outside being awesome it's great for the purpose of running contrasty full screen content.

thanks
post #5152 of 9717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

Not sure if this is the right place, so moderators feel free to move or copy elsewhere.
I had an excellent calibration experience with chad b tonight on my gt50. I was using thx cinema and really liked the picture out of the box, I tweaked some of the user settings using spears and munsil. Chad ended up creating a custom mode and through his grayscale service menu and user menu adjustments, looked way better than OOB thx cinema. The contrast was excellent, the colors really popped and overall the image was simply more engaging. Thx cinema OOB was rich but muted and flatter in comparison. I was also startled by how much depth was conveyed in the image in chads custom calibration, it really looked 3 dimensional. The picture also has much better detail and definition, compared to my thx cinema OOB it almost appeared blurry. He also tweaked my thx bright room and while there was a definite improvement there, the custom appears to be my go to choice for almost all viewing both day and night. Then kicker was when my wife came down and instantly said "wow that looks amazing". We went back and forth between my old thx cinema and chads new custom and the difference was very noticeable, my wife who is very much your typical home viewer commented how it had more contrast and definition and that before it looked muted.
The calibrated image in custom mode is set around 50 fl which is the perfect brightness for our room, our nighttime viewing uses a little back corner lamp and sometimes we utilize some ceiling lamps and it looks great regardless. The calibrated thx bright room looks great with more output at 56 fl but the gamma still makes it seem a little washed out to me, though chad really seemed to flatten out the gamma curve whereas OOB it's pretty wild. Its nice to have it but the custom should be everything i will need for virtually all of my viewing.
Ill comment more on chads professionalism and overall customer service in a more appropriate area but basically it was perfect. Chad just recently offered a "geek buster" calibration for those not needing or having the resources for a more full comprehensive ISF calibration, and chad informed me I was his first one! Suffice to say, it is a no brainer IMO for the gt50 since its calibration controls are so limited and that the performance is pretty solid OOB in many respects. I would highly recommend any gt50 owner to consider a professional calibration and I can definitely vouch for chad's knowledge of the gt50.

Interesting about your wifes comment. Mine has never made comments about the picture quality of our sets and after Chad finished his calibrations on the GT 50 she walked into the room and said "Wow- look at that picture". After almost three weeks since Chad's calibration we still make daily comments about how fine the picture is.
post #5153 of 9717
i don't think so. it is the exact same size and shape of the line that is on the S790 menu screen. a thin line across the screen that gets fatter towards the right end of it and then tapers back again.

i also have the darn cartoon network logo on the bottom right corner, but that one i can always see. i hope it's not burn in. i don't know the difference.

*edit* not sure where my quote went, but this is in response to post #5142. wink.gif
Edited by dcarroll - 1/3/13 at 6:30am
post #5154 of 9717
You would think by now networks wouldnt have a logo on their stations after the first 30 secs of each ad break, or at least they would be transparent
I guess they just dont care
post #5155 of 9717
If the networks feel they must include their logo on the screen, would it be that difficult to move the location of the logo at the start of programming after the commercial break? Rotate lower right, to lower left, to upper left, to upper right and so on?

At least some of the networks make the logo somewhat transparent, but wow there are some super-bright ones as well!
post #5156 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Caice7134 View Post

If the networks feel they must include their logo on the screen, would it be that difficult to move the location of the logo at the start of programming after the commercial break? Rotate lower right, to lower left, to upper left, to upper right and so on?
At least some of the networks make the logo somewhat transparent, but wow there are some super-bright ones as well!

I actually noticed that TNT does this. I was watching Sherlock Holmes the other day and now that I'm more attentive to the stupid logos, I noticed it was in the lower right hand corner. It went to commercial break, so I surfed. When I came back to TNT later, the logo was in the lower left hand corner.

Maybe someone high up on the TNT totem pole has a plasma with IR issues at home...biggrin.gif
post #5157 of 9717
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Originally Posted by adb View Post

Interesting about your wifes comment. Mine has never made comments about the picture quality of our sets and after Chad finished his calibrations on the GT 50 she walked into the room and said "Wow- look at that picture". After almost three weeks since Chad's calibration we still make daily comments about how fine the picture is.

If you watch the TV during the day when the room is fairly bright as well as at night when the room has lights on but a bit below reading-light level, how is calibration done? Is Custom set for one ambient condition and a THX setting is used for the other ambient condition?
post #5158 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

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Originally Posted by adb View Post

Interesting about your wifes comment. Mine has never made comments about the picture quality of our sets and after Chad finished his calibrations on the GT 50 she walked into the room and said "Wow- look at that picture". After almost three weeks since Chad's calibration we still make daily comments about how fine the picture is.

If you watch the TV during the day when the room is fairly bright as well as at night when the room has lights on but a bit below reading-light level, how is calibration done? Is Custom set for one ambient condition and a THX setting is used for the other ambient condition?

Yes. The other option is an HDMI splitter. Then you can calibrate one input for one lighting condition and a second input for another lighting condition.
post #5159 of 9717
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Yes. The other option is an HDMI splitter. Then you can calibrate one input for one lighting condition and a second input for another lighting condition.

But isn't there only one Custom setting or can you set up "Standard" with another set of settings? If yes, then couldn't you use the same HDMI input but switch between "Custom" and "Standard?"
post #5160 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tom1996 View Post

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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Yes. The other option is an HDMI splitter. Then you can calibrate one input for one lighting condition and a second input for another lighting condition.

But isn't there only one Custom setting or can you set up "Standard" with another set of settings? If yes, then couldn't you use the same HDMI input but switch between "Custom" and "Standard?"

Each HDMI input has its own set of picture modes. The only two inputs worth calibrating are THX Cinema and Custom. Custom is calibrated entirely from the user menu, while THX Cinema requires that you enter the service menu. You also can't change the gamma setting in THX Cinema if you prefer 2.4 over 2.2.

If using one HDMI input on your GT50:

Calibrate THX (via service menu) for darker room viewing conditions and calibrate Custom for brighter room viewing conditions. To switch from day to night, you simple change the picture mode accordingly.

If using an HDMI splitter:

Calibrate either THX Cinema or Custom on one HDMI input for dark room viewing conditions. Calibrate either THX Cinema or Custom on another HDMI input for brighter room viewing conditions. To switch from day to night, you simply change the input.
Edited by HD-Master - 1/3/13 at 10:09pm
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