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Originally Posted by davelanger View Post

his setting only work if you use the slides, which I did not.

How many hours do you have on your set?

They "work" without the slides. The slides are used to age the pixels in the same manner that he did which allows you to achieve results most near what he did. That doesn't mean that the results will be bad on your set if you didn't use the slides, however I do think that allowing your set to "age" some will have different results too. I say this because there was noticeable improvement after even just one week of use. Having had several Pannys this year I saw the difference each time I received a new one. The new one didn't look as good as the one with a few weeks worth of hours on it.
post #5462 of 9713
Just wanted to chime in here as I've been running my GT60 for about 2 and half weeks now (Manufacture date of Nov 2012) and am super happy with it!

First I ran DNICE' slides for about 100 hours as he recommends, and then mixed in watching HD DirectTV (zoomed), Blu-Ray discs and slides for the 2nd 100 hours - Basically the TV has been on since I hooked it up.

I have to say that:

A) Picture is stunning - I had a rear proj 2008 Sony A3000 before this that died on me, and there is no comparison - Especially the blacks that just have limitless depth of inky goodness it seems!

B) No buzzing issues, even on the white slides. (Admittedly I can 'hear' when the white slide is on the screen only IF I stick my head behind the TV in a silent room and listen for it)

C) No IR at all- Just used my head and kept the brightness/contrast on the low side - Basically below 50 for the first week, and below 70 for the second. I watched most of the football games this past weekend using DNICE's custom settings (Post #3 I think on the HDJ site) with no IR issues even with the high contrast logos, score display etc.

So overall I just love this TV. I am going to continue to 'baby it' for a few more weeks to get some more hours under its belt but overall I couldn't be happier!

Thanks to all who have contributed to this ongoing thread which brought me up to speed on the in's and out's of this gorgeous tv! If anyone is thinking about pulling the trigger on a new one I say use your head as it breaks in, but otherwise GO FOR IT! biggrin.gif
post #5463 of 9713
Do you mean GT50?
post #5464 of 9713
How do you folks ensure the slides continue to run and not stop on some type of menu at the end or something? Do you use a DVD, an sd card or thumb drive? DVD worries me if the ps3 decides to freeze up or something
post #5465 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How many hours do you have on your set?

They "work" without the slides. The slides are used to age the pixels in the same manner that he did which allows you to achieve results most near what he did. That doesn't mean that the results will be bad on your set if you didn't use the slides, however I do think that allowing your set to "age" some will have different results too. I say this because there was noticeable improvement after even just one week of use. Having had several Pannys this year I saw the difference each time I received a new one. The new one didn't look as good as the one with a few weeks worth of hours on it.

About 100. I am not sure if I want to keep this or not. I am kind of torn. I did some light gaming today and watched a sports station and got IR for a bit.
I could only see it on the wipe feature and not in normal viewing but this is now IR two days in a row. It did go away after a few hours, but this never happened on my old plasma.

I only gamed for about 30 mins, i cant imagine what it would look like if it was a couple of hours, which is a normal gaming session for me.

some people says it gets better and others said it gets worse.
post #5466 of 9713
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Hey here's something weird on my new G50.

When watching a DVR show using Custom (with CATS off, noise off, etc) I get some occasional judder.
A person will move their head and the tv wont render some of the frames in the middle.
I can rewind it and it happens in the same spot every time.

If I switch it to THX mode, the exact same scene displays perfectly smooth.

Should I be worried ?

This juddering happens 10-15 times in a 60 minute show.

Originally I was blaming the DVR, but it appears to be the Custom mode on the G50.

Anyone else have this issue ?
Do I have a setting that causes the periodic chugging ?
post #5467 of 9713
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Originally Posted by waltah View Post

How do you folks ensure the slides continue to run and not stop on some type of menu at the end or something? Do you use a DVD, an sd card or thumb drive? DVD worries me if the ps3 decides to freeze up or something
Copy the slide JPG files to an SD card or USB flash drive.
The TV then can play the slide images in slideshow mode and automatically starts over, doesn't stop until you manually do so.
post #5468 of 9713
Only 17 hours left to go for mine! Woohoo!
post #5469 of 9713
Can someone repost the links to the slides and gt50 settings pls?
post #5470 of 9713
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Originally Posted by srtviper View Post

Can someone repost the links to the slides and gt50 settings pls?

All on the page one, first post.
post #5471 of 9713
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Originally Posted by waltah View Post

How do you folks ensure the slides continue to run and not stop on some type of menu at the end or something? Do you use a DVD, an sd card or thumb drive? DVD worries me if the ps3 decides to freeze up or something
Follow the directions explicitly.
I used a flash drive and ran it for five days straight and it didnt quit once. It just continues to repeat.
post #5472 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ralfmalf72 View Post

Just wanted to chime in here as I've been running my GT60 for about 2 and half weeks now (Manufacture date of Nov 2012) and am super happy with it!

First I ran DNICE' slides for about 100 hours as he recommends, and then mixed in watching HD DirectTV (zoomed), Blu-Ray discs and slides for the 2nd 100 hours - Basically the TV has been on since I hooked it up.

Did all the above but why are you running DTV HD signal in zoomed mode? I recall something about picture extending to the edges or whatever but can't recall. Thanks!
post #5473 of 9713
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Anyone else have this issue ?
Do I have a setting that causes the periodic chugging ?
I think i found it. Motion Smoothing was on.
Its in the advanced menu which is further on down.

Whew.
post #5474 of 9713
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

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Originally Posted by waltah View Post

How do you folks ensure the slides continue to run and not stop on some type of menu at the end or something? Do you use a DVD, an sd card or thumb drive? DVD worries me if the ps3 decides to freeze up or something
Copy the slide JPG files to an SD card or USB flash drive.
The TV then can play the slide images in slideshow mode and automatically starts over, doesn't stop until you manually do so.

So run it as a slideshow and I won't have issues? Sounds good to me.
post #5475 of 9713
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Originally Posted by ralfmalf72 View Post

Just wanted to chime in here as I've been running my GT60 for about 2 and half weeks now (Manufacture date of Nov 2012) and am super happy with it!

First I ran DNICE' slides for about 100 hours as he recommends, and then mixed in watching HD DirectTV (zoomed), Blu-Ray discs and slides for the 2nd 100 hours - Basically the TV has been on since I hooked it up.

I have to say that:

A) Picture is stunning - I had a rear proj 2008 Sony A3000 before this that died on me, and there is no comparison - Especially the blacks that just have limitless depth of inky goodness it seems!

B) No buzzing issues, even on the white slides. (Admittedly I can 'hear' when the white slide is on the screen only IF I stick my head behind the TV in a silent room and listen for it)

C) No IR at all- Just used my head and kept the brightness/contrast on the low side - Basically below 50 for the first week, and below 70 for the second. I watched most of the football games this past weekend using DNICE's custom settings (Post #3 I think on the HDJ site) with no IR issues even with the high contrast logos, score display etc.

So overall I just love this TV. I am going to continue to 'baby it' for a few more weeks to get some more hours under its belt but overall I couldn't be happier!

Thanks to all who have contributed to this ongoing thread which brought me up to speed on the in's and out's of this gorgeous tv! If anyone is thinking about pulling the trigger on a new one I say use your head as it breaks in, but otherwise GO FOR IT! biggrin.gif

wow was looking at the gt60 in the store tonight.. wow this break in sounds really complicated... guess i have to ask the sale rep alot of questions...

maybe you could help me out

what is dnice slides? does it come with the tv? the plasma has a buzzing noise? i hate buzzing.. i go to NA often.. is legal to talk about a gt 60 in a gt 50 forum? i didnt see a gt 60 forum...

whats ir issues? maybe i should go back to led.... this is really complex stuff...

cheers..
post #5476 of 9713
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

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Originally Posted by ralfmalf72 View Post

Just wanted to chime in here as I've been running my GT60 for about 2 and half weeks now (Manufacture date of Nov 2012) and am super happy with it!

First I ran DNICE' slides for about 100 hours as he recommends, and then mixed in watching HD DirectTV (zoomed), Blu-Ray discs and slides for the 2nd 100 hours - Basically the TV has been on since I hooked it up.

I have to say that:

A) Picture is stunning - I had a rear proj 2008 Sony A3000 before this that died on me, and there is no comparison - Especially the blacks that just have limitless depth of inky goodness it seems!

B) No buzzing issues, even on the white slides. (Admittedly I can 'hear' when the white slide is on the screen only IF I stick my head behind the TV in a silent room and listen for it)

C) No IR at all- Just used my head and kept the brightness/contrast on the low side - Basically below 50 for the first week, and below 70 for the second. I watched most of the football games this past weekend using DNICE's custom settings (Post #3 I think on the HDJ site) with no IR issues even with the high contrast logos, score display etc.

So overall I just love this TV. I am going to continue to 'baby it' for a few more weeks to get some more hours under its belt but overall I couldn't be happier!

Thanks to all who have contributed to this ongoing thread which brought me up to speed on the in's and out's of this gorgeous tv! If anyone is thinking about pulling the trigger on a new one I say use your head as it breaks in, but otherwise GO FOR IT! biggrin.gif

wow was looking at the gt60 in the store tonight.. wow this break in sounds really complicated... guess i have to ask the sale rep alot of questions...

maybe you could help me out

what is dnice slides? does it come with the tv? the plasma has a buzzing noise? i hate buzzing.. i go to NA often.. is legal to talk about a gt 60 in a gt 50 forum? i didnt see a gt 60 forum...

whats ir issues? maybe i should go back to led.... this is really complex stuff...

cheers..

should add i just want to see the puck in the hockey game..... can you see the puck on your gt 60? .. the pucks dropping saturday night yahoo..

cheers..
post #5477 of 9713
I am new to HD Flat Panels and I opted to get the TC-P60GT50 before the holiday. I am very pleased with the unit and considering I paid under $1750 for the unit I am very happy. I have been gentle with it watching in Standard mode, sometimes Cinema or THX Cinema, mostly Standard, for the first 100 hours or so. Just found this thread so I did not break it in with DNICE slides. Should I do this now? Also, this thread has almost 5500 posts (wow) so I apologize if this has been asked before. Which comes to the point of "Calibration". I definitely want to have the set professionally calibrated but will probably wait a couple of more months. I have seen reviews online for the DIY calibration programs/discs and was wondering what you guys think of them. The two (2) I am considering are "DVE HD Basics" and "Disney's WOW World of Wonder". Do you think these will make, or a better term, "help" my GT or should I just wait to have the pro calibration done.

I did look over page 1 and several of the links.........did not know about the motion smoother so I will turn that off since I notice it, minor, sometimes. I have also used the wipe mode several times as I was instructed by the salesperson that this is good to do once a week as a preventative measure. He said he does it on his VT30 weekly and has no issues with his set. Is this something that always needs to be done?

Again, sorry if this has been posted but this thread is deeeeeeeeeeep!

Thanks for any advice or input!!!
post #5478 of 9713
I'm curios about the disney calibration disc as well
post #5479 of 9713
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Originally Posted by MacNThorens View Post

I have also used the wipe mode several times as I was instructed by the salesperson that this is good to do once a week as a preventative measure. He said he does it on his VT30 weekly and has no issues with his set. Is this something that always needs to be done?
Probably not a bad practice. Couldn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by MacNThorens View Post

Just found this thread so I did not break it in with DNICE slides. Should I do this now?
No. The slides are only to prep the screen using DNICE's calibration settings. Too late now. It's a moot point anyway since you are going to have it proffesionaly calibrated. Try some of the other settings posted in the thread or try it yourself with the WOW disc. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You may be happy with the results.
post #5480 of 9713
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Originally Posted by MacNThorens View Post

I am new to HD Flat Panels and I opted to get the TC-P60GT50 before the holiday. I am very pleased with the unit and considering I paid under $1750 for the unit I am very happy. I have been gentle with it watching in Standard mode, sometimes Cinema or THX Cinema, mostly Standard, for the first 100 hours or so. Just found this thread so I did not break it in with DNICE slides. Should I do this now? Also, this thread has almost 5500 posts (wow) so I apologize if this has been asked before. Which comes to the point of "Calibration". I definitely want to have the set professionally calibrated but will probably wait a couple of more months. I have seen reviews online for the DIY calibration programs/discs and was wondering what you guys think of them. The two (2) I am considering are "DVE HD Basics" and "Disney's WOW World of Wonder". Do you think these will make, or a better term, "help" my GT or should I just wait to have the pro calibration done.

I did look over page 1 and several of the links.........did not know about the motion smoother so I will turn that off since I notice it, minor, sometimes. I have also used the wipe mode several times as I was instructed by the salesperson that this is good to do once a week as a preventative measure. He said he does it on his VT30 weekly and has no issues with his set. Is this something that always needs to be done?

Again, sorry if this has been posted but this thread is deeeeeeeeeeep!

Thanks for any advice or input!!!

You can get your set calibrated when it has over 200 hours. Then the panel is pretty much broken in and won't change its characteristics much. People run the slides to get through the initial break in, when Image Retention occurs the easiest and to get to the number of hours needed to calibrate. Image Retention is caused by static objects, especially white ones and side bars. I don't know about the kits, but, there are TV settings posted in this thread by people that have calibrated or had their set calibrated. All panels aren't alike, but they are similar. And of course, all rooms are different so you will find dark and light room settings. Go back a few pages and you will see settings to try. I would use the anti image wipe after watching channels like CNN or ESPN with lots of bars running on the screen. When you do a wipe, you can see if there are any images retained. Retained images go away, by doing that wipe but also but simply watching TV that doesn't have any logos or banners and that fill the screen. I would think most on here agree that the THX settings are much better than Standard. And go back through this thread, starting at the end and you will find settings that people think are better than the THX settings. BTW, LCD TVs don't have Image Retention issues. At least not to the extent that plasma does. This is my first plasma after 5 LCD Tvs. The increase in PQ, to me, was worth the small hassle of IR.
post #5481 of 9713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow was looking at the gt60 in the store tonight..
That's impossible - the GT60 doesn't exist yet.

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wow this break in sounds really complicated...
It's actually super easy.

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guess i have to ask the sale rep alot of questions...
He's probably not going to know anything. Most of them don't.

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what is dnice slides?
There's no such thing as dnice slides.

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does it come with the tv?
No.

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the plasma has a buzzing noise?
Only if it's defective.

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i hate buzzing..
Me too.

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i go to NA often.. is legal to talk about a gt 60 in a gt 50 forum?
It's not legal in North America, but it's legal in Europe.

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i didnt see a gt 60 forum...
That's because you're on a North American Forum, and there will be no GT60 model released in North America. Europe only, and maybe Asia. And it won't be released for another month or two.

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whats ir issues?
Issues with IR.

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maybe i should go back to led....
Why? LED sucks.

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this is really complex stuff...
Not if you use the Search function wink.gif
post #5482 of 9713
The only reason there's a "break in" is so the scientist in DNice can make sure everyone be "near the same page" when applying his calibration settings.

(how does he not know you watched 100 hours of BArney so your purple phosphors were overboard for 5 straight days)

Aka if everyone has 100 hours of even wear on the screen, then "his recommended tv settings" should look close to "your settings."

Its like saying "everyone drive your new car 100.1 miles at 45 miles mph. If you do, I know your air filter should have 10 specs of dust on i to apply adjustments to the fuel computer."
when most people will still have 5 specs or 50 specs.

Meh.
post #5483 of 9713
Hey friends. I ran dnices slides not to break in but to get single colors to identify any bad pixels. Everything looks great. Only did it for a couple of rotations.

Bad news is I noticed buzzing on the 2 whitest slides frown.gif this was from about 6 feet away and I could hear it over my refrigerator buZzing another 16 feet away. So I figured ill try it out a couple days to ser how bad it is. However, when backing out of the slides I went back to the mediaplayer and it buzzed in that screen... Double frown.gif so for those that had sets for sometime do you get buzzing on the media playet screen? Should I exchange it? It's only 3 days old and been babyed - e.g. no regular viewing, just running on fs content.
post #5484 of 9713
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Hey friends. I ran dnices slides not to break in but to get single colors to identify any bad pixels. Everything looks great. Only did it for a couple of rotations.

Bad news is I noticed buzzing on the 2 whitest slides frown.gif this was from about 6 feet away and I could hear it over my refrigerator buZzing another 16 feet away. So I figured ill try it out a couple days to ser how bad it is. However, when backing out of the slides I went back to the mediaplayer and it buzzed in that screen... Double frown.gif so for those that had sets for sometime do you get buzzing on the media playet screen? Should I exchange it? It's only 3 days old and been babyed - e.g. no regular viewing, just running on fs content.


If you have sound on can you hear buzzing? I know on my GT50 when its a really white screen if its on mute I can hear buzzing from about 8ft away. But if there is sound i cannot.
post #5485 of 9713
Has anyone had problems with the sound through the HDMI ARC.

I have a 50GT50 together with a Panasonic BTT590 Home Theatre system. For the first couple of weeks they worked well together. Then one day, the sound stopped being output through the home theatre system. I rang Panasonic who talked me through all the settings to make sure everything was set right. They then agreed there was a problem and told me to contact their local service agent. The agents had the BTT590 in their workshop for two weeks and then said there was no fault with it. So then they checked the GT50 and decided that the motherboard needed replacing.

This seemed to resolve the problem for a few weeks. However, it has recently started doing it again, although this time it is intermittent, and only on the HD channels. With it being an intermittent problem, I know if I call the agents out again, they will probably not find a fault, and I will be charged for the visit. Has anyone else had a similar problem.

Overall I am impressed with the quality of the TV picture and the quality of the sound from the BTT590. It is just driving me mad that they do not seem to work together properly .
post #5486 of 9713
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Originally Posted by davelanger View Post

If you have sound on can you hear buzzing? I know on my GT50 when its a really white screen if its on mute I can hear buzzing from about 8ft away. But if there is sound i cannot.

Ill try this in the evening by using the slides and the mediaplayer screen as my test content. I will also have the wife test to see if she can deal with it and also using a cartoon like toystory or other.

If I can hear it over low volume, on bright scenes (our typical viewing volume) then I assume the advice is exchange it.
post #5487 of 9713
Right here, man!

I JUST got my GT50-65 on Saturday was logging on here because I have not been able to get a consistent ARC feed back to my (also just purchased) Yamaha RX-V573. I have tried everything, including returning the Yamaha for a new unit because I thought the problem was there (not so, apparently). I have tried swapping out new HDMI cables, I even added the optical cable -- nothing seems to work. 9 times out of 10 I get no audio feed from TV to AVR.

I have called Panasonic this morning, they talked me through steps and got nowhere; I called Yamaha, same thing. I may hit Best Buy on way home and get a different AVR just to see if that works.

Anyone else have thoughts? It sounds like this is a running issue now with this model, but it's amazing that even with an optical cable I couldn't get an audio feed from TV to AVR. This doesn't seem like it should be complicated.

Seriously, WTF?

I too love the display, had it professionally mounted (and at 65" I can't move it around), but this is freaking ANNOYING -- so distracting to have things *not work the way they should!*

Standing by, united with my ARC-deprived brethren.
post #5488 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Denimac View Post

Has anyone had problems with the sound through the HDMI ARC.

I have a 50GT50 together with a Panasonic BTT590 Home Theatre system. For the first couple of weeks they worked well together. Then one day, the sound stopped being output through the home theatre system. I rang Panasonic who talked me through all the settings to make sure everything was set right. They then agreed there was a problem and told me to contact their local service agent. The agents had the BTT590 in their workshop for two weeks and then said there was no fault with it. So then they checked the GT50 and decided that the motherboard needed replacing.

This seemed to resolve the problem for a few weeks. However, it has recently started doing it again, although this time it is intermittent, and only on the HD channels. With it being an intermittent problem, I know if I call the agents out again, they will probably not find a fault, and I will be charged for the visit. Has anyone else had a similar problem.

Overall I am impressed with the quality of the TV picture and the quality of the sound from the BTT590. It is just driving me mad that they do not seem to work together properly .

Right here, man!

I JUST got my GT50-65 on Saturday and was logging on here because I have not been able to get a consistent ARC feed back to my (also just purchased) Yamaha RX-V573 AVR.

I have tried everything, including returning the Yamaha for a new unit because I thought the problem was there (not so, apparently). I have tried swapping out new HDMI cables, I even added the optical cable -- nothing seems to work. 9 times out of 10 I get no audio feed from TV to AVR.

I have called Panasonic this morning, they talked me through steps and got nowhere; I called Yamaha, same thing. I may hit Best Buy on way home and get a different AVR just to see if that works.

Anyone else have thoughts? It sounds like this is a running issue now with this model, but it's amazing that even with an optical cable I couldn't get an audio feed from TV to AVR. This doesn't seem like it should be complicated.

Seriously, WTF?

I too love the display, had it professionally mounted (and at 65" I can't move it around), but this is freaking ANNOYING -- so distracting to have things *not work the way they should!*

Standing by, united with my ARC-deprived brethren.
post #5489 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


Thanks for the information.

Since I posted the above, I've found a relevant thread in the LCD forum that provides in-depth information of chroma sub-sampling:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1381724/official-4-4-4-chroma-subsampling-thread

Seems to imply that this mode is only good for using display for PC graphics. I wouldn't want to use a plasma display for that, however. Over in the VT50 thread they have a quite different viewpoint, but it does correspond with what you posted; i.e. effects of this setting are quite subtle.

That said, I believe I will be exchanging my 50ST50 for a 50GT50 just for this setting. If I don't do this, the nagging doubt of "what if" will be always in the back of my mind.

BTW, this is getting ridiculous but short-term pain is long-term gain IMO. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by cynetinc View Post

Hey fellas, I've got my 55gt50 yesterday and gotta tell you, ST50 my foot! I lived with it for a couple of weeks prior to swapping it with GT, so I can tell you, there is no comparison. Period. Colors, facial tones, motion processing, HD signal - all important aspects (to me, anyway,) are simply not comparable. One small detail that bothers me. It has a ½” vertical light line that's mostly visible on bright backgrounds right smack in the middle and goes across the whole screen. I understand that's "a part of the manufacturing process” and all,) Do you guys recommend I swap this with another or most of them GT's have that? The ST wasn't perfect in that regard either, but the line was more to the right and didn't bother me as much. Do those things fade a little after a while or should I adjust my eyes and learn to live with it? Any opinions?

Thanks for the comparison between the ST50 and GT50. It made decision to exchange my 50ST50 for a 50GT50 much easier. Order has been placed and I will have the new 50GT50 in place early next week. biggrin.gif

That said, I had none of the issues of vertical banding or humming transformers others have reported of Panasonic Plasma TV with the ST50. I only hope the same can be said of my new GT50 this time next month.
post #5490 of 9713
I was a little disappointed in the way ARC works. I mean it "works", but with caveats so I've chosen not to use it and now use a toslink. I know for those that have a wall mounted TV and have already run the wires that toslink might not be an option. I pulled my TV off the wall and ran the toslink as I couldn't stand the huge drawback (imo) to using ARC: and that is that it defaults to the TV-Audio input on my Denon 1713 receiver every time it is powered down then back on again. Maybe it's just a Denon issue idk.

For those using ARC and having issues, have you checked to be sure that HDMI control is set to "ON" on both the TV and the receiver? I know for the ARC to work on the Denon this has to be set correctly. A power outage could possibly reset these settings? Worth a shot
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