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post #5611 of 9717
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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

I hear ya. Warm took me quite a while to get used too back in '08 when I got my first pdp. I came from cool/cold lcds on vivid modes

If you're not used to it warm 2 makes everything look yellow or dirty. Now that I've run warm for years I now realize how much more true to life the warm 2 is.

It's all about what you're used to. Anything but warm to my eyes, on anyone's TV, looks blue and skin tones look alien like tongue.gif

That could very well be ,,for fun i just put it on warm 2 ,,IDK ,just can't get used to it yet.Normal seems OK,,but i just can't get off of cool 1 cool.gif.... smile.gif
post #5612 of 9717
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Originally Posted by feedthemachine View Post

That could very well be ,,for fun i just put it on warm 2 ,,IDK ,just can't get used to it yet.Normal seems OK,,but i just can't get off of cool 1 cool.gif.... smile.gif

Interesting that this discussion just came up in the ST thread too..

"The thing is, most people aren't used to an accurate color temperature. For decades, TV manufacturers have made their TVs exceedingly cool out of the box. Without knowing which individual TVs they shipped would end up in a store on display, they set every one to look good in this environment. It was easily documented that the brightest TV on the show floor would sell best (an adage that's still true, largely explaining LCD's popularity)."

"But if you want an image more like what the director intended, switch to one of the warmer settings. Give it a day or two to allow your brain to adjust. If after a few days you want to go back, by all means. I'll warn you though, it's now going to look really blue. "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20064010-1/what-is-tv-color-temperature-and-why-does-it-matter/
post #5613 of 9717
Gents,

After a year of TV research I passed on 2011 sets finally pulled the trigger on a 60" GT50 built in November. I'm coming out of a 36" Toshiba CRT Cinema Series that i really liked. I have to say while I love the price and the size i'm left a little disappointed at how inconsistent the picture is depending on which channel I watch. I ran the slides as directed by Dnice for 200hrs and firmware is up to date. DirectTV just installed HD, a Genie, all fresh lines, and new dish.

I have tried 1080 and 720 settings, Dnice settings, other settings, and sitting 13 feet away. Some channels and movies look darn good although even the best pictures still seem a little dark and lack detail like the Samsung and Sony LED's i saw at BB. I can see how this would be great for a night viewing motion picture vibe or perhaps for Blue Rays. However being a regular TV show watcher, some of my favorite channels and every day TV shows are very inconsistent. I see blur and graininess on some content, so bad that it's worse than my old CRT. Even the best HD content still gets grainy at times-the foreground of the picture is clear but the background blurs out.

I have tried to use Vivid to gain more pop like an LED or my CRT ,but just like turning up the brightness...any degree of extra light coming through makes the picture very very grainy. Also I have noticed significant soap opera effect on Vivid no matter what I do in the settings. I did not know that the picture modes impacted the motion so much.

I'm wondering if i should return for a 55" HX950 but price and size are holding me back. The guy at BB tells me that it could be dirty power, I need a calibration, $300 HDMI cable. I tried a Panamax mr4300 and Audioquest Carbon cable. No difference. Would an LED be more consistent and less impacted by power etc? For what a $300 cable, $400 calibration, $300 power conditioner cost, not to mention the plasma babysitting I can swing an extra $1000. Seems like top LED's have cleaned up the blooming and motion issues to a tolerable level.

After tons of reading I was sure the GT was a no brainier. My Dad's $1000 Costco Christmas special and my buddy's Sam's Club Vizio are far more crisp with more pop and detail. Guys, I tried to do the research and do everything right, am I overlooking something or am I just not the plasma fan I thought I was?

PS: I also have the 2 inch vertical band down the right side that Chad B and many of you had but it's pretty slight to where I only see it very occasionally when I look for it.

Thanks much.
Edited by LoD80k - 1/19/13 at 11:48am
post #5614 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

Interesting that this discussion just came up in the ST thread too..

"The thing is, most people aren't used to an accurate color temperature. For decades, TV manufacturers have made their TVs exceedingly cool out of the box. Without knowing which individual TVs they shipped would end up in a store on display, they set every one to look good in this environment. It was easily documented that the brightest TV on the show floor would sell best (an adage that's still true, largely explaining LCD's popularity)."

"But if you want an image more like what the director intended, switch to one of the warmer settings. Give it a day or two to allow your brain to adjust. If after a few days you want to go back, by all means. I'll warn you though, it's now going to look really blue. "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20064010-1/what-is-tv-color-temperature-and-why-does-it-matter/

Good article thanks..
I am going to try " normal " for a couple days and see how we adjust ..
post #5615 of 9717
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Originally Posted by feedthemachine View Post

Good article thanks..
I am going to try " normal " for a couple days and see how we adjust ..

It was a tough transistion for me. That article helped me understand and made me feel a little better about it. That said, I was only able to make myself do warm1. Now that it's been a couple months and I'm used to it, I'm thinking about trying warm2 again. Not that I really need to, because I love my picture, but re-reading that article has me curious.
post #5616 of 9717
@ LoD80k....I have the same issue, some channels look great and crisp and some look blurry with a lot of noise...I think its all about the signal of the individual channel, some are poor and some are great, I think its more of a bandwidth thing. Watch a BluRay, that's the best picture your TV can output.

I'm very picky when it comes to PQ, sometimes too picky....one thing I do know is that Direct TV has the best PQ IMO, way better than Fios/others.
post #5617 of 9717
Lee, Thanks for the reply. I came to the same conclusion. I'm just wondering if I weren't watching a plasma would there be more consistency? Unfortunately we don't really watch many Blue Rays. Out of curiosity were there any particular settings that you settled on?
post #5618 of 9717
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

MY NEW SETTINGS

Just a few notes:
  • I haven't worked on any 3D settings lately. It really is a pain to do and I've spent so much time on 2D lately, that I haven't gotten back around to it. I will soon however.
  • I have one set of settings for Daytime viewing and two sets of settings for Nighttime viewing. Why? Well Warm2 gets you closest to D65, but I wanted to experiment with a starting point of Warm1. Warm1 starts off with much too high of a color temperature, but it comes right down once you adjust the high/low blue. I achieved a result extremely similar to my Warm2 calibration. So, see if you happen to like one more than the other.
  • The "Night" settings are at about 34 fL and the "Day" settings are at about 48 fL.

My GT50 is not identical to any other GT50. The following settings may work well on your TV or they may not. Find what works best for you and enjoy!
I have been using your day time settings today and it looks amazing! These are the best I have found. I will be trying your new night time settings tonight. I wish there was a way to save them both so I don't have to keep going back into custom and changing. Any way, thank you for posting these!
post #5619 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

MY NEW SETTINGS

Just a few notes:
  • I haven't worked on any 3D settings lately. It really is a pain to do and I've spent so much time on 2D lately, that I haven't gotten back around to it. I will soon however.
  • I have one set of settings for Daytime viewing and two sets of settings for Nighttime viewing. Why? Well Warm2 gets you closest to D65, but I wanted to experiment with a starting point of Warm1. Warm1 starts off with much too high of a color temperature, but it comes right down once you adjust the high/low blue. I achieved a result extremely similar to my Warm2 calibration. So, see if you happen to like one more than the other.
  • The "Night" settings are at about 34 fL and the "Day" settings are at about 48 fL.

My GT50 is not identical to any other GT50. The following settings may work well on your TV or they may not. Find what works best for you and enjoy!
I have been using your day time settings today and it looks amazing! These are the best I have found. I will be trying your new night time settings tonight. I wish there was a way to save them both so I don't have to keep going back into custom and changing. Any way, thank you for posting these!

Glad to hear it! I use an HDMI switcher so I have my Day settings on HDMI 1 and my Night settings on HDMI 2.
post #5620 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

I have been using your day time settings today and it looks amazing! These are the best I have found. I will be trying your new night time settings tonight. I wish there was a way to save them both so I don't have to keep going back into custom and changing. Any way, thank you for posting these!

I agree with the others - I'm using HDMaster's updated night settings with warm2. Best settings I've tried so far. Picture looks amazing. Thanks!
post #5621 of 9717
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

I use an HDMI switcher so I have my Day settings on HDMI 1 and my Night settings on HDMI 2.
Good idea.
post #5622 of 9717
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Originally Posted by LoD80k View Post

Gents,

After a year of TV research I passed on 2011 sets finally pulled the trigger on a 60" GT50 built in November. I'm coming out of a 36" Toshiba CRT Cinema Series that i really liked. I have to say while I love the price and the size i'm left a little disappointed at how inconsistent the picture is depending on which channel I watch. I ran the slides as directed by Dnice for 200hrs and firmware is up to date. DirectTV just installed HD, a Genie, all fresh lines, and new dish.

I have tried 1080 and 720 settings, Dnice settings, other settings, and sitting 13 feet away. Some channels and movies look darn good although even the best pictures still seem a little dark and lack detail like the Samsung and Sony LED's i saw at BB. I can see how this would be great for a night viewing motion picture vibe or perhaps for Blue Rays. However being a regular TV show watcher, some of my favorite channels and every day TV shows are very inconsistent. I see blur and graininess on some content, so bad that it's worse than my old CRT. Even the best HD content still gets grainy at times-the foreground of the picture is clear but the background blurs out.

I have tried to use Vivid to gain more pop like an LED or my CRT ,but just like turning up the brightness...any degree of extra light coming through makes the picture very very grainy. Also I have noticed significant soap opera effect on Vivid no matter what I do in the settings. I did not know that the picture modes impacted the motion so much.

I'm wondering if i should return for a 55" HX950 but price and size are holding me back. The guy at BB tells me that it could be dirty power, I need a calibration, $300 HDMI cable. I tried a Panamax mr4300 and Audioquest Carbon cable. No difference. Would an LED be more consistent and less impacted by power etc? For what a $300 cable, $400 calibration, $300 power conditioner cost, not to mention the plasma babysitting I can swing an extra $1000. Seems like top LED's have cleaned up the blooming and motion issues to a tolerable level.

After tons of reading I was sure the GT was a no brainier. My Dad's $1000 Costco Christmas special and my buddy's Sam's Club Vizio are far more crisp with more pop and detail. Guys, I tried to do the research and do everything right, am I overlooking something or am I just not the plasma fan I thought I was?

PS: I also have the 2 inch vertical band down the right side that Chad B and many of you had but it's pretty slight to where I only see it very occasionally when I look for it.

Thanks much.
Keep in mind that the bigger the panel the more difficult it is to make it look like a photograph. Larger screens will show faults in the source more readily as well. I have a 26" LG LCD that is 720p and gets as good a picture as my 60ST50. Also if you are sitting too close the picture will look more grainy. Ultimately, if you decide you can't live with it then take it back. No sense in being unhappy with it.
Also, a professional calibration can sometimes work wonders but don't expect any miracles.
Lastly, forget about the power conditioners and expensive HDMI cables. That's all a bunch of bull. My HDMI cables cost $10 and are excellent quality.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/19/13 at 12:49pm
post #5623 of 9717
Thanks for putting up your settings on your TV. Can you tell me what switcher your using. What you did sounds like a great Idea for watching TV via Fios
post #5624 of 9717
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Originally Posted by victor M View Post

Thanks for putting up your settings on your TV. Can you tell me what switcher your using. What you did sounds like a great Idea for watching TV via Fios

Sorry this was meant for HD-Master.

Also a big thank you to everyone in this forum. I've been lurking for the past Month and decided to get the 55gt50 from paulstv. My 4 year old Samsung LED display started showing vertical strips. mad.gif....Once I get it I have a good understanding what I have to do before calibrating it. Bravo!
post #5625 of 9717
Sounds like quite a few folks are having issues with their tvs. I was thinking about getting the 65". Should i look else where now? I watch more tv vs blu ray. Kids watch tv during the day, there is light in the room. I havent had any pq issues with mu current sammy pn58b650. Im moving that tv into another room.
post #5626 of 9717
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Sounds like quite a few folks are having issues with their tvs. I was thinking about getting the 65". Should i look else where now? I watch more tv vs blu ray. Kids watch tv during the day, there is light in the room. I havent had any pq issues with mu current sammy pn58b650. Im moving that tv into another room.

It may seem that way, but that isn't the reality. Relatively few reports of problems when compared to the total number of units sold. The vast majority of people have no problems at all.
post #5627 of 9717
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Originally Posted by victor M View Post

Thanks for putting up your settings on your TV. Can you tell me what switcher your using. What you did sounds like a great Idea for watching TV via Fios

Not a problem. I have the ViewHD 2 Port HDMI 1x2 Powered Splitter. Others may work just as well or better. This is the only one I have tried. It works with 3D as well.
post #5628 of 9717
Bond,

thanks for the reply. This is kind of what I was thinking. I guess my ultimate question is will and LED have less inconsistency from channel to channel? I suppose the only way to know is to get one in my room and try it. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I was teased by sampling these pictures watching Blue Ray's at BB. By the way regarding the high end cables etc...the Panamax actually made my picture worse compared to the junk power strip i have. The Carbon HDMI cable was interesting. I did a quick shootout. My wife even noticed difference. The Carbon cable does seem to add a slight bit more crispness and stability to the image but not $200 worth. It also has occasional noise that creeps into the pic now and then. I also compared a Monster, some cheap cables that came with a computer monitor and the super cheap free Direct TV cable. The Monster looked terrible as did the monitor cable. The directTV cable was the winner. Maybe 5-10% less crisp and stable than the Carbon cable, without occasional noise in the pic.

HD Master,

As for the reality of whether or not many people are having problems I think that is difficult to measure. I'd venture to guess most folks are satisfied because they just aren't as particular as many of us are. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Thanks for your settings PS...they did lead me in a different direction.
post #5629 of 9717
Have had a 65GT50 for a week now, loving it. Curious if anyone is watching the hockey game on NBC, if our noticing alot of motion blur when the camera is panning from one end of the ice towards the other. I am using HD-master's day settings
post #5630 of 9717
im not seeing a ton of blur but the ice definitely exposes any uniformity. what mode are you in?
post #5631 of 9717
Stupid question, what do you mean what mode?
post #5632 of 9717
Im watching he game as well. The thing i notice ( this first time for a hockey game all white screen) i can see very faint vertical lines looks almost as thought the screen has a bunch of dirt kinda like looking through a window with streaks down it. Very distracting. I may have to exchange this out. Not happy with it. I was extremely happy until the hockey game. Very distracting.
post #5633 of 9717
Plasma has by far the better PQ,I have HX909 btw, I'm probably going to get a ST60 this June.
post #5634 of 9717
Mode ="Picture Mode" as in Custom,Vivid, Cinema, etc...Vivid does seem to have more blur.
Edited by LoD80k - 1/19/13 at 2:31pm
post #5635 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Amacron View Post

Im watching he game as well. The thing i notice ( this first time for a hockey game all white screen) i can see very faint vertical lines looks almost as thought the screen has a bunch of dirt kinda like looking through a window with streaks down it. Very distracting. I may have to exchange this out. Not happy with it. I was extremely happy until the hockey game. Very distracting.

I notice the same thing but only when they show the ice. all other content on the channel looks fine as do my all white slides. Could be the way the game is being filmed or broadcast. I think I'm grabbing a different TV tomorrow and doing a comparison.some channels rock others just frustrate the heck out of me. Flip to the Military Channel (Directv 287). My CRT beats that picture. Obviously im not referring to the old footage.
post #5636 of 9717
Just purchased a 65" GT50 from Best Buy. Was able to get it PM @ $2299.

I'm new to this forum and could use some advice about HDMI cables. Please also feel free to redirect me to the proper place to ask about this. BB recommended certain HDMI cables - labeled Cinnamon and Forest. I can't believe how expensive these are!! A friend told me to look at Amazon - they have HDMI cables for $5!!

Are the BB HDMI cables of such high quality that I'll notice in the picture or could I make do with $5 HDMI cables from Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-High-Speed-HDMI-Cable-Meters/dp/B003L1ZYYM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1358629471&sr=8-3&keywords=hdmi+cables

Thanks!!
post #5637 of 9717
A little confused in trying to compare the 2012 GT50 and the 2013 equivalent. What is the 2013 GT50 equivalent?
post #5638 of 9717
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Originally Posted by DJones410 View Post

Just purchased a 65" GT50 from Best Buy. Was able to get it PM @ $2299.

I'm new to this forum and could use some advice about HDMI cables. Please also feel free to redirect me to the proper place to ask about this. BB recommended certain HDMI cables - labeled Cinnamon and Forest. I can't believe how expensive these are!! A friend told me to look at Amazon - they have HDMI cables for $5!!

Are the BB HDMI cables of such high quality that I'll notice in the picture or could I make do with $5 HDMI cables from Amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-High-Speed-HDMI-Cable-Meters/dp/B003L1ZYYM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1358629471&sr=8-3&keywords=hdmi+cables

Thanks!!

Just buy HDMI cables from Monoprice. Best Buy is trying to rip you off.
post #5639 of 9717
oh shoot. my bad. my apologies. I took that wrong.
post #5640 of 9717
The ST60 is the ST50 replacement for 2013
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