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post #6241 of 9030
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Originally Posted by Brad Levine View Post

These setting rock!! I use them on my custom mode as my THX BRIGHT AND NORMAL have been calibrated by the great Kevin Miller!! Nobody else can make a TV Look as close to reference quality as Kevin does! BAR NONE!!! So i just add these settings to an already perfect calibration and BINGO!!!

What settings are you referring to?
post #6242 of 9030
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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

lol! Yeah I did the slide thing back in '08 when I got my first pdp. That TV is in the bedroom and doesn't buzz at all. My gt50 is a complete non-buzzer as well, but I just watched varied TV for the first ~150hrs, no slides. Not needed imo
I did the same pretty much. I watched TV/Blurays with THX Cinema and games in Game Mode for the first 3 weeks. Then used CNet's settings, then moved to BlackOps and now HD-Master's. I really have no intentions with the slides, it was just curiosity and this is what I get lol It's no biggie though because it doesn't effect real world performance of the set.
post #6243 of 9030
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

What settings are you referring to?

Do you happen to have any Game Mode Settings?
post #6244 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

What settings are you referring to?

Do you happen to have any Game Mode Settings?

No, sorry. I haven't had any need for it.
post #6245 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Do you happen to have any Game Mode Settings?
Just give HDmaster's other settings a shot on game mode then tweak to suit taste. They have to be better than the default.

I've actually done this to all the modes smile.gif
post #6246 of 9030
Doesn't game mode seriously degrade picture quality?

what is the point...how prevalent input lag on custom mode?
post #6247 of 9030
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Originally Posted by ispeck View Post

Doesn't game mode seriously degrade picture quality?

what is the point...how prevalent input lag on custom mode?
I have no idea never heard of that. Maybe increase chances of IR though at default values.

I think it does have less lag? Not sure. I'm about to hook up an old mammoth PS3 this weekend I'll try it out.
post #6248 of 9030
well I guess my real question is what is the point of game mode

from what I can tell is makes the picture look significantly worse while removing some processing in an effort slightly reduce input lag...but I'm not even sure that's the case on this model
post #6249 of 9030
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Originally Posted by ispeck View Post

well I guess my real question is what is the point of game mode

from what I can tell is makes the picture look significantly worse while removing some processing in an effort slightly reduce input lag...but I'm not even sure that's the case on this model

FWIW, game mode is probably slightly faster, but anyone short of a die-hard fighting game enthusiast can use the regular modes and be perfectly fine.
post #6250 of 9030
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

No, sorry. I haven't had any need for it.
Awe shucks. I'll pay you to try a calibration lol.
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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

Just give HDmaster's other settings a shot on game mode then tweak to suit taste. They have to be better than the default.

I've actually done this to all the modes smile.gif
Doesn't work that way. The values all work together. Gamma. Tint. Contrast. Everything. If anything it would degrade the picture even worse then default.

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Originally Posted by ispeck View Post

Doesn't game mode seriously degrade picture quality?

what is the point...how prevalent input lag on custom mode?
Lower Lag means faster response.

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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

I have no idea never heard of that. Maybe increase chances of IR though at default values.

I think it does have less lag? Not sure. I'm about to hook up an old mammoth PS3 this weekend I'll try it out.

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Originally Posted by ispeck View Post

well I guess my real question is what is the point of game mode

from what I can tell is makes the picture look significantly worse while removing some processing in an effort slightly reduce input lag...but I'm not even sure that's the case on this model

The picture gets worse because game mode turns off all picture processing. In turn you get much faster repose times then you would without it.
post #6251 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

FWIW, game mode is probably slightly faster, but anyone short of a die-hard fighting game enthusiast can use the regular modes and be perfectly fine.

It makes a huge difference in games like COD or any quick response needing game. You want your hands to match your eyes. A small constant delay makes a world of difference.
post #6252 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It makes a huge difference in games like COD or any quick response needing game. You want your hands to match your eyes. A small constant delay makes a world of difference.

I won't claim to know the science, but you have to factor in a lot of other things. I can assure you it doesn't make a huge difference in CoD, you would benefit a lot more from "REAL" skill than counting fractions of a second of input delay. Now if we're talking about the best players in the world, who have reaction times to take advantage of the technology, than that's an entirely different ball game. IMHO
post #6253 of 9030
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Originally Posted by Dagg21 View Post

So i have had this tv for about 2 weeks and I must say it looks fantastic from a PQ standpoint. Thats the good news but I have a few questions and minor complaints I guess about some of its other features. While I consider the PQ to be by far the most important to me, getting less functionality than what I am used to from a usb/streaming standpoint has me a bit put off.

USB File playback is not as good as my cheap samsung und6400 bedroom tv. I find the panasonic nativeley doesnt recognize many formats via the usb inputs. I have never had an issue with any files on my Samsung so this was very disappointing. AVI for sure it does not do (intended or huge oversite?)and I have also had a wierd issue with an mp4 file where it displayed once to be played and then not again? and no idea why.

This pretty much elimates my use of usb functionality since its so unreliable and I am not going to spend the many hours to convert existing files.

Now on to DLNA

I was streaming via PS3 media played but again I found alot of the files not supported and wouldnt play(works fine on the samsung and my ps3). So I decided to try serviio which I like very much. I finally found a profile that would work with Panasonic viera and assist with the playing of the unsupported formats listed above. The movie art is an added bonus I find really cool.

However I have some questions about the wireless capabilities of the gt50 that I cannot find. I am starting to overhaul my internal network and planning to buy wireless n dual band router (or maybe even an ac).

Will the Viera connect to the 5ghz channel? I assume it has to be the wireless n but I cannot verify in any searching I have done. Also is anyone using any other products to boost this things connect capabilites. Eventually my aim to stream whatever I want and I dont want this connection to become a bottleneck.

Thanks for all the great info in this thread and I think I made the right choice, this tv will be perfect once i get over some of these minor hurdles.
Yes it does support 5Ghz channel. However, I strongly suggest hardwire to Ethernet as wifi speed even on 5Ghz on my AirPort Extreme is still slow on Netflix
post #6254 of 9030
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Originally Posted by TIME2PLAYDAGAME View Post

UggH! ... I should've left well enough alone...lesson learned!
I recommend that you never investigate the nasties in the air you breath and that cover all the surfaces that you live with in your home. Don't ever even think about what might be landing on your tooth brush. eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
post #6255 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I won't claim to know the science, but you have to factor in a lot of other things. I can assure you it doesn't make a huge difference in CoD, you would benefit a lot more from "REAL" skill than counting fractions of a second of input delay. Now if we're talking about the best players in the world, who have reaction times to take advantage of the technology, than that's an entirely different ball game. IMHO

It makes a difference enough for me to care about it. I can tell when I'm playing in game mode vs not. The delay is often a make it or break it point. Yes. Even in a game like COD. I normally play on my monitors which is a ton faster then any TV. But I don't have my desktop set up so I'm stuck with playing on my tv for now. I'd most certainly say I have the reaction time to take advantage of such tech.
post #6256 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It makes a difference enough for me to care about it. I can tell when I'm playing in game mode vs not. The delay is often a make it or break it point. Yes. Even in a game like COD. I normally play on my monitors which is a ton faster then any TV. But I don't have my desktop set up so I'm stuck with playing on my tv for now. I'd most certainly say I have the reaction time to take advantage of such tech.

Prove it? biggrin.gif

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
post #6257 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Prove it? biggrin.gif

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/

You do realize a test like that is completely pointless unless you are on a CRT set... Do you? You must be new to input lag and why it's so important.
post #6258 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You do realize a test like that is completely pointless unless you are on a CRT set... Do you? You must be new to input lag and why it's so important.

Not new, I just don't blow it out of proportion. I know it's not accurate, you have to factor in a lot of things (sound familiar).

Just curious how good those reactions really are. I managed to get 197ms avg. myself. cool.gif

post #6259 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post


Doesn't work that way. The values all work together. Gamma. Tint. Contrast. Everything. If anything it would degrade the picture even worse then default.

I know they all work together. I'm not saying you'll get a perfect calibration. What I'm saying is tweak them so they look like the other aka custom mode so you can get a better/more accurate colored picture than the default values of game mode (which is blue and way too bright).

I have found, after years of watching a calibrated pdp, my eyes are pretty good at getting the picture to acceptable levels. Try and match your custom mode best you can. GL.
post #6260 of 9030
Anyway, I don't doubt that you can tell the difference. If you play on the absolute lowest settings and have gotten used to them then it's very possible you will become more sensitive to it. The average gamer on the other hand can experience input lag up to 100ms and not notice any discernible lag between what the screen is showing and the actions they are performing. Anything closer to 150ms and almost anyone can sense there is a slight delay going on, but I'm sure it varies with people being less/more sensitive to it. My input lag is much lower on my PC, but I still don't notice it on my TV. Then again I stopped playing twitch games on them, but that was for mouse precision, not lag.

This is a great article done by AnandTech a few years back.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2803
post #6261 of 9030
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

You will be totally fine, considering you don't game for 10hrs straight, everyday, however why would anyone pause for 30-60min? You have a Tivo, rewind it. As I posted once before, I had a still image displayed on my GT-50 from my HTPC. It was a music fanart (had a Megamix playlist playing) from XBMC for 3 hours and did not have any IR at all. With tv content my daughter pauses once in a while but not for long. So you shouldn't be too concerned, just watch and enjoy the set.

When i hear stuff like this it just drives home the fact that i have a defective panel...oh wait the vertical bands of green and pink haze (only noticeable on white) is a dead give away for that i guess huh!? But yeah i get IR so easily that the "no signal found" message block that moves around the black screen when an input is not recieving a signal, will actually leave a trace of IR behind. It goes away very quickly but still pretty crazy!

Think its time to call Panasonic frown.gif
post #6262 of 9030
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Originally Posted by dutchboy17 View Post

Long-time lurker, I used the information from this thread and pulled the trigger on an 55GT50 and I'm constantly amazed at the PQ. When I leave the room and want to pause whatever source input I'm watching, I turn the TV off to avoid IR. It seems like a simple solution, turn it back on when it's time and pick up where you left off. Any reason that I shouldn't do this? Thanks, Dutch

Put a slideshow on an SD card and turn that on when pausing playback. Just make sure the slideshow photos are all 16:9.
post #6263 of 9030
You can't have precision if your having a constant delay. As for people not noticing up to 100MS delay. Maybe if your 40. This is just like the old fashion FPS debate. People saying who you can't see over 30FPS. 60 vs 120 etc. Maybe your "average" player won't notice. I'd find it pretty amazing to see someone play on something with even 50ms and say they don't notice.
post #6264 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You can't have precision if your having a constant delay. As for people not noticing up to 100MS delay. Maybe if your 40. This is just like the old fashion FPS debate. People saying who you can't see over 30FPS. 60 vs 120 etc. Maybe your "average" player won't notice. I'd find it pretty amazing to see someone play on something with even 50ms and say they don't notice.

You don't have any delay, at least not any that you're capable of perceiving. Also, what about the fact the article discusses how input lag is actually much higher than you think, when you factor in all of the background processes before getting to the final image on your monitor. I imagine a console isn't instantaneous either, and there's also processing lag there also. I'm guessing you already play at lag equal to or greater than 50ms and don't even know it. As far as the FPS debate goes, the human eye can definitely see up to 60FPS. After 60 FPS the average person isn't going to see it, but people that are hypersensitive can definitely perceive the difference. There was an interesting article about jet-fighter pilots who could see up to 200FPS in a study or something, I'll try to find it.

"The USAF, in testing their pilots for visual response time, used a simple test to see if the pilots could distinguish small changes in light. In their experiment a picture of an aircraft was flashed on a screen in a dark room at 1/220th of a second. Pilots were consistently able to "see" the afterimage as well as identify the aircraft. This simple and specific situation not only proves the ability to percieve 1 image within 1/220 of a second, but the ability to interpret higher FPS."

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html
post #6265 of 9030
Well I can certainly tell from 120 FPS vs 60 FPS. And I know the delay of what your talking about. There are delays one has no control over. Your basically saying a little m ore delay won't hurt since you don't notice it already. The fact is you in fact can and do notice the difference. Why do you think people put so much money into a 120Hz monitor vs a standard 60? Anyone who has built a PC for gaming knows the importance of input lag. Every little bit counts. A Gamer takes it all into account. Monitors. Wireless or wired. Controllers. Every little bit matters.
post #6266 of 9030
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Well I can certainly tell from 120 FPS vs 60 FPS. And I know the delay of what your talking about. There are delays one has no control over. Your basically saying a little m ore delay won't hurt since you don't notice it already. The fact is you in fact can and do notice the difference. Why do you think people put so much money into a 120Hz monitor vs a standard 60? Anyone who has built a PC for gaming knows the importance of input lag. Every little bit counts. A Gamer takes it all into account. Monitors. Wireless or wired. Controllers. Every little bit matters.


See, I'm going to keep saying you don't notice the difference until you get to a certain point. The more sensitive your reactions are and the more you are accustomed to lower delays will determine where your threshold actually lies. I also want to add that we have been discussing LAN gaming for the most part, if your latency isn't lower than your input lag it's not even going to matter how great your equipment is. I understand the concept that every fraction of a second counts, but I reserve that for Pros who play on LAN only. There are so many other factors to consider than fractions of a second of input delay. Your input delay only needs to be as good as you are physically capable of perceiving. If you can sense any delay between your actions and the screen, then you personally need a lower delay, but it's not like that for everyone. As far as other factors go, I'm talking technique, combat intelligence, accuracy, strafing, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. Bottom line, if you don't feel that you're actions on screen are matching up with what your hands are doing, the problem goes much further than fractions of delay. That's going to throw off your aim and effect virtually every aspect of game play. I'm just saying that particular point is certainly not the same for everyone.

Edit: What about the fact that in the article they say the absolute best you can do is around 32ms with perfect gear, and the average was probably closer to 100ms? I'm not sure if I really understand everything they were saying, but in their test examples they were getting on avg. 40+ms. This was of course 4 years ago, but I'm not sure if input delay is really all that different now.
Edited by JSpectre88 - 2/5/13 at 6:31pm
post #6267 of 9030
To actually add something relevant to the thread, the GT50 is officially measured between 24-30 ms of input lag, which is rated as being quite good. The ST50 for some reason, actually only has 16ms of input lag. These are both taken from the game mode setting. I can't seem to find anything stating how much higher the input lag is on normal modes. I can only speculate that it's probably a minor increase in lag, but I don't know just how effective these game modes really are.
post #6268 of 9030
From my testing, all other presets add an addtional 16ms compared to Game mode.
post #6269 of 9030
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

From my testing, all other presets add an addtional 16ms compared to Game mode.

Thanks for that, sounds pretty good to me. I'm definitely not concerned about the loss of a single frame, and most people shouldn't be either.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I recommend that you never investigate the nasties in the air you breath and that cover all the surfaces that you live with in your home. Don't ever even think about what might be landing on your tooth brush. eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
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