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post #6271 of 9107
2/5/13 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

From my testing, all other presets add an addtional 16ms compared to Game mode.
I got an extra 23...

And yes. Another 16ms matters. For those who don't agree. Agree to disagree.
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post #6272 of 9107
2/5/13 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

To actually add something relevant to the thread, the GT50 is officially measured between 24-30 ms of input lag, which is rated as being quite good. The ST50 for some reason, actually only has 16ms of input lag. These are both taken from the game mode setting. I can't seem to find anything stating how much higher the input lag is on normal modes. I can only speculate that it's probably a minor increase in lag, but I don't know just how effective these game modes really are.
Where did you get these lag numbers from? I'm replacing my old 15ms lag time 52" LCD that I bought a few years ago, and I want a 60" screen. I never thought I would consider a plasma because of the "burn in" problem they used to have, but all the newer LCDs seem to have longer lag times than I want.

I'm glad I read that that ST50 is faster than the GT50 since I was looking at the P60GT50! I game maybe 5 hours a day, and leave it on Fox News the rest of the time while I am doing other stuff. I don't mind a little short-lived image retention as long as I will not see permanent burn from the station logo or static game graphics.

I read a lot of stuff that said the ST50 and GT50 were basically the same, with the same panels and same filters, but I guess not if there is that much of a difference in the lag measurements.
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post #6273 of 9107
2/5/13 at 9:35pm
A simple google will give you what he found. A UK site test input lag. You can do it yourself if you have a CRT screen. It's simple an effective.
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post #6274 of 9107
2/5/13 at 9:46pm
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Where did you get these lag numbers from? I'm replacing my old 15ms lag time 52" LCD that I bought a few years ago, and I want a 60" screen. I never thought I would consider a plasma because of the "burn in" problem they used to have, but all the newer LCDs seem to have longer lag times than I want.

I'm glad I read that that ST50 is faster than the GT50 since I was looking at the P60GT50! I game maybe 5 hours a day, and leave it on Fox News the rest of the time while I am doing other stuff. I don't mind a little short-lived image retention as long as I will not see permanent burn from the station logo or static game graphics.

I read a lot of stuff that said the ST50 and GT50 were basically the same, with the same panels and same filters, but I guess not if there is that much of a difference in the lag measurements.

Old 52" LCD with only 15ms? eek.gif

With those kinds of viewing habits I hope you get a set that is one of the more IR resistant.
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post #6275 of 9107
2/5/13 at 10:00pm
It's a LN52A650 with the HDMI input set on PC. I like it a lot, but I just want something bigger.

I found the english site that tests input lag. They had a test of a P50ST50(B), but not the 60" version.

I'll probably buy it from a place with a good return policy in case I get one that has a lot of IR.
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post #6276 of 9107
2/5/13 at 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by Derbel View Post

It's a LN52A650 with the HDMI input set on PC. I like it a lot, but I just want something bigger.

I found the english site that tests input lag. They had a test of a P50ST50(B), but not the 60" version.

I'll probably buy it from a place with a good return policy in case I get one that has a lot of IR.

If IR concerns you I'd stay away. Panasonic tends to have more IR then other brands. Samsung being the least of the brands.
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post #6277 of 9107
2/5/13 at 11:57pm
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I recommend that you never investigate the nasties in the air you breath and that cover all the surfaces that you live with in your home. Don't ever even think about what might be landing on your tooth brush. eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
Look who's talking. The environment in your picture doesn't exactly look sterile. biggrin.gif
Very true young Bond. The force is at home in my swamp. wink.gif
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post #6278 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:12am
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

If IR concerns you I'd stay away. Panasonic tends to have more IR then other brands. Samsung being the least of the brands.
Thats debatable. How have you come to that conclusion? And what other brands are part of your comparison?
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post #6279 of 9107
2/6/13 at 6:43am
While we're on the subject of game mode - Can game mode be professionally calibrated as well? When a pro comes out, are there more adjustments in the service menu to allow for a more accurate color calibration?
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post #6280 of 9107
2/6/13 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Thats debatable. How have you come to that conclusion? And what other brands are part of your comparison?

It's fact. even CNet has done a study on it. I'm talking from pure experiences. I own 3 Plasma sets. All different brands. LG. Samsung. Panasonic. My Panasonic looks the best but also gets the highest amount of IR. It's actually been proven that the GT50 gets more IR then any other 2012 set.

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While we're on the subject of game mode - Can game mode be professionally calibrated as well? When a pro comes out, are there more adjustments in the service menu to allow for a more accurate color calibration?

I've always wondered the same thing. But I'm yet to see anyone calibrate game mode. Professional wise.
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post #6281 of 9107
2/6/13 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It's fact. even CNet has done a study on it. I'm talking from pure experiences. I own 3 Plasma sets. All different brands. LG. Samsung. Panasonic. My Panasonic looks the best but also gets the highest amount of IR. It's actually been proven that the GT50 gets more IR then any other 2012 set.
I've always wondered the same thing. But I'm yet to see anyone calibrate game mode. Professional wise.
I dont doubt it really. But you have been around long enough to know that when you state controversial things as fact someone is going to ask for proof. Can you dig up a link to any of these studies? I would be very interested to read them.
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post #6282 of 9107
2/6/13 at 11:53am
Just as a note my experience ordering online from Pauls was perfectly fine.

I sent an email and got a prompt reply from the service center. It did take a week end to end but that didnt matter to me if it did I would have pursued best buy locally. White glove is subjective I guess but they brought it in to where i needed it unboxed I inspected for damage and then I got to work on Dnices slides. Post slides I mounted it myself and I am happily enjoying a "buzless", non IR having 60inch GT50.

Price was great and no tax even better.
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post #6283 of 9107
2/6/13 at 11:54am
My GT50 finally arrived today! smile.gif

So far my initial impressions are very positive. The picture is absolutely incredible, and I'm sure I haven't even gotten close to its full potential. No damage or dead pixels, and from what I can tell it has good uniformity. I could just barely hear buzzing on a white screen from about 8 feet away, but that was with absolutely no sound. With volume even at a low level I can't hear anything on bright scenes. I'm not sure yet where I stand on IR, because I haven't done much to warrant it. I don't see any visible IR after 30 minutes of intermittently using the menu, so that's good at least. I'm just watching 16x9 content with no logos to break it in, with contrast at 75. Other than IR, my biggest concern has been the ABL. I must say I'm fairly satisfied compared to the U50 I ended up returning. Bright content is of course noticeably dimmed, but this TV stays bright in scenes where the U50 would have experienced dimming. Here's to hoping I got one of the more IR proof sets! biggrin.gif
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post #6284 of 9107
2/6/13 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I dont doubt it really. But you have been around long enough to know that when you state controversial things as fact someone is going to ask for proof. Can you dig up a link to any of these studies? I would be very interested to read them.[/quote

I can try to find the article I had read. Was a while ago but I should be able to.
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post #6285 of 9107
2/6/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

My GT50 finally arrived today! smile.gif

So far my initial impressions are very positive. The picture is absolutely incredible, and I'm sure I haven't even gotten close to its full potential. No damage or dead pixels, and from what I can tell it has good uniformity. I could just barely hear buzzing on a white screen from about 8 feet away, but that was with absolutely no sound. With volume even at a low level I can't hear anything on bright scenes. I'm not sure yet where I stand on IR, because I haven't done much to warrant it. I don't see any visible IR after 30 minutes of intermittently using the menu, so that's good at least. I'm just watching 16x9 content with no logos to break it in, with contrast at 75. Other than IR, my biggest concern has been the ABL. I must say I'm fairly satisfied compared to the U50 I ended up returning. Bright content is of course noticeably dimmed, but this TV stays bright in scenes where the U50 would have experienced dimming. Here's to hoping I got one of the more IR proof sets! biggrin.gif
Ain't it sweet. Wait till you get a few hours on it, I think mine is still getting better each week. The blacks are getting even darker. Enjoy watching it at night/low ambient light where it really shines. Grats!
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post #6286 of 9107
2/6/13 at 12:47pm
Well, add me to the list of those that have buzzers. I was using the web browser in the Vierra tools last night. When the google search page came up, which has a white background, I could hear the buzzing while sitting on my couch a good 15-20 feet away. I took delivery on the set one week ago from best buy, so, I'm still within the return period. Would the best approach be to return the tv for a new one or get it repaired? What exactly do I say is wrong with it? Since this seems to only be an issue when there is a bright, or white image on the screen. Hopefully those that have remedied the situation can give me some pointers. Thanks.
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post #6287 of 9107
2/6/13 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by bhcubed View Post

Well, add me to the list of those that have buzzers. I was using the web browser in the Vierra tools last night. When the google search page came up, which has a white background, I could hear the buzzing while sitting on my couch a good 15-20 feet away. I took delivery on the set one week ago from best buy, so, I'm still within the return period. Would the best approach be to return the tv for a new one or get it repaired? What exactly do I say is wrong with it? Since this seems to only be an issue when there is a bright, or white image on the screen. Hopefully those that have remedied the situation can give me some pointers. Thanks.

I'm in the same boat with a Samsung E7000. It buzzed. I exchange it. The second one buzzed the same. The tech just came out and said it was normal for it to buzz and they weren't going to fix it. Now I'm thinking about swapping for GT50, with IR being my only concern. My previous (broke due to an accident) D7000 was a good TV and had zero IR.
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post #6288 of 9107
2/6/13 at 1:23pm
I'm considering a GT50, with my only concern being IR and burn-in. I know that IR means temporary and burn-in means permanent. Based on read this forum and Amazon reviews, my impression is:

Most people are happy with their set and have no IR.
Some people are happy with their set, but have IR and say it goes away in a reasonable amount of time or really isn't that noticeable.
Some (fewer) people state that they have significant IR issues and can see things a month or two later.

I don't know if some sets are more to IR or if some people are more prone to IR (meaning they keep their brightness high, pause things for long periods of time, watch sports, news with tickers, play video games, etc).

I don't know if people that notice stubborn IR

I tend to watch mostly HD TV shows, with about 2-3 Blu-rays with black bars per month. I don't watch sports or news with tickers very often. I game maybe once per week with the session being 2 hours or less. I'm trying to figure out the odds of me getting into a bad situation with a GT50, where I'm either;

1) Constantly dealing with short temporary IR showing up on TV shows if I decide to watch the History Channel or Food Network for 2 hours in a row (with logos)
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2) Dealing with stubborn IR/burn-in due to one big oops caused by myself or possible my wife or son where a channel was paused too long, a channel was left on too long, or a video game was played to long. (My son is 3...not a gamer yet, but he might be in 2-3 years.)

I welcome any responses, either positive or negative.
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post #6289 of 9107
2/6/13 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by bhcubed View Post

Well, add me to the list of those that have buzzers. I was using the web browser in the Vierra tools last night. When the google search page came up, which has a white background, I could hear the buzzing while sitting on my couch a good 15-20 feet away. I took delivery on the set one week ago from best buy, so, I'm still within the return period. Would the best approach be to return the tv for a new one or get it repaired? What exactly do I say is wrong with it? Since this seems to only be an issue when there is a bright, or white image on the screen. Hopefully those that have remedied the situation can give me some pointers. Thanks.

I talked to my sales guy, and agreed I will buy another set and bring it home and return the one that buzzes less. And I may do it with a third one. But, we will see.
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post #6290 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:14pm
You guys are seriously over looking things. Buy the set. If you don't like it. Take it back. If your concerned about buzz. By an LCD. Stop looking for problems and enjoy it. Ridiculous things like hearing your TV from 15 feet. Guess what. DON'T HAVE IT MUTED JUST TO LISTEN FOR A "PROBLEM."
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post #6291 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by ed3120 View Post

I'm considering a GT50, with my only concern being IR and burn-in. I know that IR means temporary and burn-in means permanent. Based on read this forum and Amazon reviews, my impression is:

Most people are happy with their set and have no IR.
Some people are happy with their set, but have IR and say it goes away in a reasonable amount of time or really isn't that noticeable.
Some (fewer) people state that they have significant IR issues and can see things a month or two later.

I don't know if some sets are more to IR or if some people are more prone to IR (meaning they keep their brightness high, pause things for long periods of time, watch sports, news with tickers, play video games, etc).

I don't know if people that notice stubborn IR

I tend to watch mostly HD TV shows, with about 2-3 Blu-rays with black bars per month. I don't watch sports or news with tickers very often. I game maybe once per week with the session being 2 hours or less. I'm trying to figure out the odds of me getting into a bad situation with a GT50, where I'm either;

1) Constantly dealing with short temporary IR showing up on TV shows if I decide to watch the History Channel or Food Network for 2 hours in a row (with logos)
or
2) Dealing with stubborn IR/burn-in due to one big oops caused by myself or possible my wife or son where a channel was paused too long, a channel was left on too long, or a video game was played to long. (My son is 3...not a gamer yet, but he might be in 2-3 years.)

I welcome any responses, either positive or negative.

I've literally played the same game for 10 hours strait. I have no issue with burn in.
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post #6292 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You guys are seriously over looking things. Buy the set. If you don't like it. Take it back. If your concerned about buzz. By an LCD. Stop looking for problems and enjoy it. Ridiculous things like hearing your TV from 15 feet. Guess what. DON'T HAVE IT MUTED JUST TO LISTEN FOR A "PROBLEM."

Haha...I agree with not muting it, but I can hear the high pitched buzz while watching TV. If someone on TV is talking, yes, it drowns it out, but as soon as there is a break in the dialogue, I hear the buzz.
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post #6293 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I've literally played the same game for 10 hours strait. I have no issue with burn in.

I appreciate the info. I'll take it into consideration.
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post #6294 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:23pm
I also use it as a PC monitor. Which I'm typing on now. From day one I Literally put about 500 Hours of gaming on it between me and my kids. I honestly feel as if burn in is impossible to do on this set.
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post #6295 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You guys are seriously over looking things. Buy the set. If you don't like it. Take it back. If your concerned about buzz. By an LCD. Stop looking for problems and enjoy it. Ridiculous things like hearing your TV from 15 feet. Guess what. DON'T HAVE IT MUTED JUST TO LISTEN FOR A "PROBLEM."
I'll bet there are some awesome deals out there on some refurbished sets because I hate to even guess how many normal sets have been sent back for no reason other than their expectations are too high or they read about a problem here and now all of a sudden they have it too and its unbearable.
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post #6296 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:34pm
To summarize if your main viewing habit is watching all white screens on mute dont buy this set it may buzz from a distance. If you watch actual movies with audio and pretty colors do buy the set.
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post #6297 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I'll bet there are some awesome deals out there on some refurbished sets because I hate to even guess how many normal sets have been sent back for no reason other than their expectations are too high or they read about a problem here and now all of a sudden they have it too and its unbearable.

Honestly wouldn't doubt it
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post #6298 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:50pm
Honestly though, it is not normal to hear buzzing from your seating distance.
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post #6299 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Honestly though, it is not normal to hear buzzing from your seating distance.
Agreed. But if it takes 3 weeks to hear it there may be something else going on.
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post #6300 of 9107
2/6/13 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I also use it as a PC monitor. Which I'm typing on now. From day one I Literally put about 500 Hours of gaming on it between me and my kids. I honestly feel as if burn in is impossible to do on this set.

Did you do anything to break it in, or did you just do what you wanted. Did you turn your brightness on or do anything else to minimize IR?
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