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post #6451 of 9047
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Originally Posted by synistr View Post

I got my TV from them and it works fine but if I had to do it over again, I wouldnt order from them. I saved maybe a max of $112 iirc. I received my set in 8 days which wasnt bad. Its the delivery by the local agents that is shaky. Once Home Direct gets it to your local agent.....they sub-contract out anybody with a panel truck.....mostly rented on a daily basis to make deliveries from sun up til sundown. So your TV will be squished in with refrigerators, beds, couches, etc....
They dont do any setup, so dont expect it....just take the top box off, turn it on and get you to sign paperwork. The only thing I can say is, the deliverers did know the box contained a TV, anything else...they probably could care less about as they are just getting a flat drop fee. Best Buy was much better. I recommend to spend the extra $100-200 bucks to order from Best Buy or Amazon. I was one of the lucky ones...but you may not be.
Depends. I ordered on line from them even though they have a local store 20 minutes away. I got a better deal that way. The delivery guys were regular Paul's employees. Very professional, very courteous and familiar with my TV. So if you live near a Paul's that is probably what you will get. If not, I guess it's a crap shoot. If you have to return it though....
post #6452 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Easywind View Post

Hi everybody,

I've been researching TVs to death and was waiting patiently for the ST50 to get to $1000, then I waited for the GT50 to get to $1000 (which it now has). I've made several trips to Best Buy (from looking at everything to narrowing it down). I was thinking the VT50 was a bit out of my price range, so I didn't check it out much. However, on Friday I checked out the VT50 and, man, that picture is out of sight. I went back and forth between the two Magnolia home theatre rooms to look at both the VT50 and GT50 - even used "The Dark Knight" on both to compare. I noticed the picture on the GT50 was severely lacking in comparison, but I discovered that it was only connected via component cables, while the VT50 was run via HDMI. Since I couldn't get an accurate assessment, does anyone have any useful feedback as far as differences? The cheapest I've seen the VT50 is around $1600. The VT50 really blew me away, but is it $600 better than the GT50? Has anyone done a real comparison on an even playing field and have any thoughts as far as the disparity between the two? Someone mentioned that the two look very similar after calibration. If i do get it calibrated, it would be a down-the-road thing since this and a new stand, sound bar, etc., will already be a huge purchase.

Thanks for any input!

At my local BB that has Magnolia the guys plainly stated that the VT had been calibrated while the GT had not. Additionally, each display is in a different area and not side by side.
There are too many confounding variables in the mix to make a reliable buying decision based upon the way that you are proceeding.
Not to be judgmental, but this sounds like a clear case of "paralysis by analysis".
Take a few steps back and see the "big picture" (no pun intended) and then be confident in your decision. Plan it out on paper and don't feel the need to get everything at once. Your thinking is backing you into a corner - get some perspective by walking away for a few days.
VT vs. GT will not result in the 2nd coming of videophile nirvana - they are both great displays that will serve you well.

For me, the point of dimishing returns starts at the ST model. Money is relative - you have to decide for yourself if the premium is worth the difference. The fact that you are asking in this context indicates that no, the VT will not be $600 better for you.
Edited by DRS - 2/10/13 at 7:46pm
post #6453 of 9047
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Originally Posted by DRS View Post

At my local BB that has Magnolia the guys plainly stated that the VT had been calibrated while the GT had not. Additionally, each display is in a different area and not side by side.
There are too many confounding variables in the mix to make a reliable buying decision based upon the way that you are proceeding.
Not to be judgmental, but this sounds like a clear case of "paralysis by analysis".
Take a few steps back and see the "big picture" (no pun intended) and then be confident in your decision. Plan it out on paper and don't feel the need to get everything at once. Your thinking is backing you into a corner - get some perspective by walking away for a few days.
VT vs. GT will not result in the 2nd coming of videophile nirvana - they are both great displays that will serve you well.

For me, the point of dimishing returns starts at the ST model. Money is relative - you have to decide for yourself if the premium is worth the difference. The fact that you are asking in this context indicates that no, the VT will not be $600 better for you.

Ya, it was only when the difference between the ST and GT (at least with the 50 inch) was only $49 (!!) that the GT became a no brainer. If even the ST has lets say 90% of the picture quality (unless in a weird uncontrollable light condition) and it's hundreds of dollars less, it's the smart move. If 96hz was available in 3D mode on the VT and it worked well then that might have been a big selling point, but honestly the only selling points for me was the single sheet of glass (would have looked fancy pants) and the extra 5 inch... for $600 more mad.gif

The fact that CNET found some flicker in 96hz mode and they actually preferred going back to the standard 60hz for 2D kind of killed that step up feature for me. And it almost sounds like in 3D mode to reduce cross talk they recommend using 48hz which the GT has. So... what benefits does the VT have that's worth $600 to someone that doesn't plan on spending $400+ on calibration.....
post #6454 of 9047
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Originally Posted by acarney View Post

Ya, it was only when the difference between the ST and GT (at least with the 50 inch) was only $49 (!!) that the GT became a no brainer. If even the ST has lets say 90% of the picture quality (unless in a weird uncontrollable light condition) and it's hundreds of dollars less, it's the smart move. If 96hz was available in 3D mode on the VT and it worked well then that might have been a big selling point, but honestly the only selling points for me was the single sheet of glass (would have looked fancy pants) and the extra 5 inch... for $600 more mad.gif

The fact that CNET found some flicker in 96hz mode and they actually preferred going back to the standard 60hz for 2D kind of killed that step up feature for me. And it almost sounds like in 3D mode to reduce cross talk they recommend using 48hz which the GT has. So... what benefits does the VT have that's worth $600 to someone that doesn't plan on spending $400+ on calibration.....

The VT has blacks that are 2-2.5x deeper, and has overall superior picture quality. Of course the entire lineup of 2012 Panasonic Plasma's are all very solid choices.
post #6455 of 9047
LOL, I think I found the perfect break in material. G-Force visualizer with the media player of your choice. I don't think it ever repeats. Beats having the Pandora logo burned in like someone I read whose wife listened to it non-stop while he was at work and didn't realize. The old iTunes visualizer reminds me of the Pink Floyd and Led Zep laser light shows from the 80s I went to many times at a planetarium in Florida. biggrin.gif


post #6456 of 9047
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Correct, no THX modes for DLNA or with the media player and I don't think in the apps either. DTS is not supported. You can remux the audio in the mkv's to AC-3 on your computer if you have to use the GT's DLNA. If you feel you have to stream, then stream to a "box" that is connected to the GT rather than the GT itself. I wasted too much time trying to get streaming to work reliably, scrapped it all, then added a simple media player + hard drive. Simple, reliable, no incompatibilities, 1080p output, and full audio support.

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. That's a bummer that THX doesn't work in DLNA or the other built-in media streaming services. I wonder why they would do that? The THX and dual core processor for DLNA were really the only reasons I went with the GT50 over the ST50, but I suppose I should have been more skeptical about how "smart" these smart TVs would be. I have an Ouya on preorder through Kickstarter, I'll have to look into whether that will be able to do MKV with DTS; if so I might just use that as a media streamer once it comes out, otherwise I'll look into streaming boxes and HTPCs.
post #6457 of 9047
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Originally Posted by MacNThorens View Post

I am really sorry to hear about what happened to your set. That's just a bummer. But getting back to your question just realized that if you wait for the new ST60 it still won't be a GT50. It will have none of the THX settings, from what I am reading. You'll pick up a couple of sundry items like a built-in camera and some new apps/options. I'm not sure if that is going to be a software update for the 2012 models though. When I spoke to Panasonic customer service they said that some enhancements were software and it will probably be an update to the 2012 models. Just remember that came from customer service??
On the Panasonic website right now they have the TC–P60ST60 prepurchase price of 1444.99. The 55" is at 1274.99. That is the EPP price. If I were you I would going to Best Buy and see if they would match that. When I bought my GT50 they matched the EPP price and even did a bit better...by $100. I got a super great deal but I did build a rapport with the manager of the magnolia department.

I really want to step up to a 60" and BB doesnt have any 60ST50's left. So I asked about the 60" GT50 and the best they could do was $1699. So personally I think I am better off waiting. If the 60" ST60 is already priced at around $1500 it is only gonna go down from there. And although the PQ might be the same as this years, I don't use THX or the extra HDMI so the ST60 will do just fine. The new styling is so much better as well. I dislike the plastic look of the ST50.
To be honest I know I'm gonna want the ZT but its gonna be priced out of my range. Maybe the VT in the new 60" size??l
post #6458 of 9047
1699 is a great price. It was 1899 for most of the year.
post #6459 of 9047
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Hmm...interesting. I'll see if he can talk to us about it.
A while ago I ran a set of 25% color saturation sweeps on my GT50, comparing the wide color space selection with the standard or normal position. The wide selection raised the color luminance slightly, so it required about a 3 click reduction in the user color control.
What I found was that the display is quite accurate in either position, though small errors diverged in different directions depending on the color space selection. In the standard position, fully saturated colors were spot on, but paler shades of each color were a little too pale, or undersaturated. On the other hand, the wide selection was just a bit too oversaturated with 100% pure color shades, but paler shades of each color lined up extremely well with their targets. Neither selection was off by much at all; the wide selection wasn't grossly wide like on many other sets. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I believe it was something like an average dE2000 for the entire run of 1.6 for standard versus 1.4 for wide.
Previously I had been using the standard selection, but at that time I decided to try a calibration using wide. After a lot of viewing over a matter of months, I've decided I do slightly prefer the wide selection. It's a choice between two excellent but slightly different approaches.
post #6460 of 9047
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Originally Posted by acarney View Post

Ya, it was only when the difference between the ST and GT (at least with the 50 inch) was only $49 (!!) that the GT became a no brainer. If even the ST has lets say 90% of the picture quality (unless in a weird uncontrollable light condition) and it's hundreds of dollars less, it's the smart move. If 96hz was available in 3D mode on the VT and it worked well then that might have been a big selling point, but honestly the only selling points for me was the single sheet of glass (would have looked fancy pants) and the extra 5 inch... for $600 more mad.gif

The fact that CNET found some flicker in 96hz mode and they actually preferred going back to the standard 60hz for 2D kind of killed that step up feature for me. And it almost sounds like in 3D mode to reduce cross talk they recommend using 48hz which the GT has. So... what benefits does the VT have that's worth $600 to someone that doesn't plan on spending $400+ on calibration.....

I had ST50 for one week when I discovered that GT50 had "1080P Pure Direct" mode. This is a must-have feature IMO, as ST50 are lacking this mode.

Within the following week, that ST50 was exchanged for my current GT50. This was well worth the effort to do so.
post #6461 of 9047
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I really want to step up to a 60" and BB doesnt have any 60ST50's left. So I asked about the 60" GT50 and the best they could do was $1699. So personally I think I am better off waiting. If the 60" ST60 is already priced at around $1500 it is only gonna go down from there

Dunno where you got that the 60" ST60 is $1,500, but last month Panasonic announced that it was going to be $1,899 then a few days ago revised their pricing downward to $1,699. It might be a few months before people are selling it at $1,500 but it's not unfathomable.
post #6462 of 9047
Some BB and I do mean some will work with you on price discounts. Was able to snag a 60GT50 for 1550 and this was several months ago.
post #6463 of 9047
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Dunno where you got that the 60" ST60 is $1,500, but last month Panasonic announced that it was going to be $1,899 then a few days ago revised their pricing downward to $1,699. It might be a few months before people are selling it at $1,500 but it's not unfathomable.
Yep. If you have access to the Panasonic EPP, the cost for pre-purchase of a 60in ST60 is $1444.99. Not to shabby.
post #6464 of 9047
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Dunno where you got that the 60" ST60 is $1,500, but last month Panasonic announced that it was going to be $1,899 then a few days ago revised their pricing downward to $1,699. It might be a few months before people are selling it at $1,500 but it's not unfathomable.

Currently at $1449.99 (presale) on the Panasonic EEP program.
Before the purchase of my GT50 I had been looking to get a Panasonic plasma for about a year and a half. After checking much pricing and following the pricing on the sets for that amount of time I have found that while the price may get better then the presale price it may not be by much, maybe at year-end again. Panasonic halfway through the model year may throw in a BD player or glasses as they have done before in the past.
Please realize that these are only my observations and may not hold true for any future price movements. Just trying to give an opinion of what I found.
post #6465 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Hmm...interesting. I'll see if he can talk to us about it.
A while ago I ran a set of 25% color saturation sweeps on my GT50, comparing the wide color space selection with the standard or normal position. The wide selection raised the color luminance slightly, so it required about a 3 click reduction in the user color control.
What I found was that the display is quite accurate in either position, though small errors diverged in different directions depending on the color space selection. In the standard position, fully saturated colors were spot on, but paler shades of each color were a little too pale, or undersaturated. On the other hand, the wide selection was just a bit too oversaturated with 100% pure color shades, but paler shades of each color lined up extremely well with their targets. Neither selection was off by much at all; the wide selection wasn't grossly wide like on many other sets. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I believe it was something like an average dE2000 for the entire run of 1.6 for standard versus 1.4 for wide.
Previously I had been using the standard selection, but at that time I decided to try a calibration using wide. After a lot of viewing over a matter of months, I've decided I do slightly prefer the wide selection. It's a choice between two excellent but slightly different approaches.

Thank you so much for the great explanation. I'll have to experiment with that as well!
post #6466 of 9047
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Originally Posted by fpileggi View Post

Yep. If you have access to the Panasonic EPP, the cost for pre-purchase of a 60in ST60 is $1444.99. Not to shabby.

When I purchased my GT50, Panasonic had just released the presale pricing for the new ST60. I was seriously considering returning my GT50 and go with the new ST60. After much consideration I decided to keep my GT50 because I had a wonderful picture no IR no buzzing no issues at all. Wasn't sure if the new ST60 might also have some issues because of the enhancements. Kind of like buying a new model automobile. I also like the fact that the GT50 had the multiple THX settings which would allow me to change the picture mode easily. I have to say though the EPP presale pricing on the ST60 is extremely attractive.
post #6467 of 9047
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by fpileggi View Post

Yep. If you have access to the Panasonic EPP, the cost for pre-purchase of a 60in ST60 is $1444.99. Not to shabby.

But if i'm not mistaken, wattheF doesn't have EPP available to him since he's been dealing with retail stores, which won't be selling anywhere near that low initially due to MAP restrictions. In other words, he can't get that EPP deal.
post #6468 of 9047
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

But if i'm not mistaken, wattheF doesn't have EPP available to him since he's been dealing with retail stores, which won't be selling anywhere near that low initially due to MAP restrictions. In other words, he can't get that EPP deal.
Maybe so, but when I went to purchase my GT50 at Best Buy I cited the EPP program and Best Buy matched it and actually beat it by 100 bucks. It was a great deal at the time and not too far off what I see as the best price being quoted these days.
post #6469 of 9047
I know this is the Official GT50 thread but on a different note for those of you that like to follow the Panasonic plasma's something was recently posted on the ZT60. Go to this thread....
CES: Panasonic Unveils 2013 TVs; New Smart TV Interface
post #6470 of 9047
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Originally Posted by MacNThorens View Post

When I purchased my GT50, Panasonic had just released the presale pricing for the new ST60. I was seriously considering returning my GT50 and go with the new ST60. After much consideration I decided to keep my GT50 because I had a wonderful picture no IR no buzzing no issues at all. Wasn't sure if the new ST60 might also have some issues because of the enhancements. Kind of like buying a new model automobile. I also like the fact that the GT50 had the multiple THX settings which would allow me to change the picture mode easily. I have to say though the EPP presale pricing on the ST60 is extremely attractive.
I bought a 50in GT50 in December so I'm not in the market. I too think the GT50 is just perfect IMHO. No buzz, no IR. It doesn't get better than that! biggrin.gif
post #6471 of 9047
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

But if i'm not mistaken, wattheF doesn't have EPP available to him since he's been dealing with retail stores, which won't be selling anywhere near that low initially due to MAP restrictions. In other words, he can't get that EPP deal.

The EPP pricing is not available to me but going off of what happened when I got my GT50 last year, I think it is fairly likely I can score a deal equally or at least close to as good fairly soon after its release. The 55" GT50 MSRP was over $2000 and was widely available for around $1700/1800 right away. I waited only 3 weeks after its release and got it for $1499 from Pauls. If I recall correctly that was even cheaper than Panasonics initial EPP preorder price. It was a great deal (especially because I still haven't seen it too much cheaper) so there is no garantee I will pull it off again...but I like my chances.
Has something changed with MAP pricing that would keep deals like that from becoming available this year?
post #6472 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

I had ST50 for one week when I discovered that GT50 had "1080P Pure Direct" mode. This is a must-have feature IMO, as ST50 are lacking this mode.

Within the following week, that ST50 was exchanged for my current GT50. This was well worth the effort to do so.

All I know is cnet along with numerous other review sites said that the PQ difference between the GT and ST was next to nuthing if anything at all. I don't use THX or the extra HDMI. The only reason I went with the GT is because it looked nicer and I got such a good deal on it.
The fact that panasonic is doing away with the GT also shows you that they are basically the same TV.
Also my GT50 suffered from bad IR and starting developing banding issues. I think I will give the new models a shot. Hopefully they have worked out some kinks and maybe even improved video processing and overall PQ.
post #6473 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

A while ago I ran a set of 25% color saturation sweeps on my GT50, comparing the wide color space selection with the standard or normal position. The wide selection raised the color luminance slightly, so it required about a 3 click reduction in the user color control.
What I found was that the display is quite accurate in either position, though small errors diverged in different directions depending on the color space selection. In the standard position, fully saturated colors were spot on, but paler shades of each color were a little too pale, or undersaturated. On the other hand, the wide selection was just a bit too oversaturated with 100% pure color shades, but paler shades of each color lined up extremely well with their targets. Neither selection was off by much at all; the wide selection wasn't grossly wide like on many other sets. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I believe it was something like an average dE2000 for the entire run of 1.6 for standard versus 1.4 for wide.
Previously I had been using the standard selection, but at that time I decided to try a calibration using wide. After a lot of viewing over a matter of months, I've decided I do slightly prefer the wide selection. It's a choice between two excellent but slightly different approaches.

Thanks chad for such a thorough explanation. I knew color space wasn't actually color space smile.gif I do enjoy your calibrated custom on my set and I also remember you talking about calibrating my custom mode at 75% saturation as that more closely resembles actual viewing content, which the wide color gamut selection ends up hitting on target nicely with the 3 clicks less on the color control.
post #6474 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

A while ago I ran a set of 25% color saturation sweeps on my GT50, comparing the wide color space selection with the standard or normal position. The wide selection raised the color luminance slightly, so it required about a 3 click reduction in the user color control.
What I found was that the display is quite accurate in either position, though small errors diverged in different directions depending on the color space selection. In the standard position, fully saturated colors were spot on, but paler shades of each color were a little too pale, or undersaturated. On the other hand, the wide selection was just a bit too oversaturated with 100% pure color shades, but paler shades of each color lined up extremely well with their targets. Neither selection was off by much at all; the wide selection wasn't grossly wide like on many other sets. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I believe it was something like an average dE2000 for the entire run of 1.6 for standard versus 1.4 for wide.
Previously I had been using the standard selection, but at that time I decided to try a calibration using wide. After a lot of viewing over a matter of months, I've decided I do slightly prefer the wide selection. It's a choice between two excellent but slightly different approaches.

Very interesting Chad thanks for sharing smile.gif
post #6475 of 9047
Hi all.. been a while..

Ive had my 60GT50 for about 5 months now.. and its been really broke in good. I've got a great Oppo player Im using it to play BD's. I almost forgot that my tv (and my Oppo) plays 3D BD's. One thing I never bought was 3D glasses.

Does anyone use the GT50 for 3D? If so, how is it? I guess I would buy Avatar first. It's what everyone recomends.

Besides the $60 glasses (for one pair) made by Panasonic.. does anyone use any other brands that are made for GT Panny's? Or would it be best to stick with the Panny glasses.. Its just I dont feel like spending $120 on glasses.. but I guess int he grand scheme of things, it's not that much.

Love to hear some feedback!!
post #6476 of 9047
Hi all.. been a while..

Ive had my 60GT50 for about 5 months now.. and its been really broke in good. I've got a great Oppo player Im using it to play BD's. I almost forgot that my tv (and my Oppo) plays 3D BD's. One thing I never bought was 3D glasses.

Does anyone use the GT50 for 3D? If so, how is it? I guess I would buy Avatar first. It's what everyone recomends.

Besides the $60 glasses (for one pair) made by Panasonic.. does anyone use any other brands that are made for GT Panny's? Or would it be best to stick with the Panny glasses.. Its just I dont feel like spending $120 on glasses.. but I guess int he grand scheme of things, it's not that much.

Love to hear some feedback!!
post #6477 of 9047
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I agree. Personally, I would never buy a floor model plasma...period.

Not saying buying a floor model is a good idea but I will say one may get lucky like my brother who bought a floor model Samsung Plasma from Best buy and got a warranty with it and within a few months it started acting up and he ended up getting the all the guts replaced for free now it's like a brand new tv.
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Hi all.. been a while..

Ive had my 60GT50 for about 5 months now.. and its been really broke in good. I've got a great Oppo player Im using it to play BD's. I almost forgot that my tv (and my Oppo) plays 3D BD's. One thing I never bought was 3D glasses.

Does anyone use the GT50 for 3D? If so, how is it? I guess I would buy Avatar first. It's what everyone recomends.

Besides the $60 glasses (for one pair) made by Panasonic.. does anyone use any other brands that are made for GT Panny's? Or would it be best to stick with the Panny glasses.. Its just I dont feel like spending $120 on glasses.. but I guess int he grand scheme of things, it's not that much.

Love to hear some feedback!!
Believe it or not Samsung makes some glasses that are compatible, cheaper and most say work as well. Make sure you get the ones for the 2012 models.
post #6479 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Hi all.. been a while..

Ive had my 60GT50 for about 5 months now.. and its been really broke in good. I've got a great Oppo player Im using it to play BD's. I almost forgot that my tv (and my Oppo) plays 3D BD's. One thing I never bought was 3D glasses.

Does anyone use the GT50 for 3D? If so, how is it? I guess I would buy Avatar first. It's what everyone recomends.

Besides the $60 glasses (for one pair) made by Panasonic.. does anyone use any other brands that are made for GT Panny's? Or would it be best to stick with the Panny glasses.. Its just I dont feel like spending $120 on glasses.. but I guess int he grand scheme of things, it's not that much.

Love to hear some feedback!!

The 3D is great. As you may expect the experience will vary based on the content. Some of the animated titles are fun but Avatar is amazing!

The Panasonic glasses IMO are best. They are lightweight and they have sides that block out ambient light. They also can be switched from 3D to 2D. I gave the cheaper Samsung glasses a try but i found they flashed annoyingly every few seconds, so i returned them and payed the extra for the Panasonic glasses.
post #6480 of 9047
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Does anyone use the GT50 for 3D? If so, how is it? I guess I would buy Avatar first. It's what everyone recomends.

Besides the $60 glasses (for one pair) made by Panasonic.. does anyone use any other brands that are made for GT Panny's? Or would it be best to stick with the Panny glasses.. Its just I dont feel like spending $120 on glasses.. but I guess int he grand scheme of things, it's not that much.

Love to hear some feedback!!

3-D is great! I have watched several movies and love it. As far as your question about glasses go to this thread, it should answer all your questions.....
Panasonic 2012-compatible 3D Glasses Thread
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