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post #6631 of 9713
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Avatar is 2D/3D on the same disc.
Titanic comes with a 2D disc and two 3D discs (the 3D version is split between two discs) in the same case.
I don't have I, Robot...checking on it now.

Update: I, Robot is 2D/3D on the same disc.

Holy crap! It needs more then 50gig?!
post #6632 of 9713
great question on 3D/2D/samedisc/seperatedisc/...don't judge me, but I purchased my first 3D movie bundle. It was Step Up 3D (for my wife). It includes in the bundle: 3D BD, 2D BD, Digital Copy, and DVD. The 3D and 2D are their own discs. We watched the 3D disc in 3D. Afterwards, I tested the 3D disc by putting the TV into 2D mode and it worked fine. Not saying it was as good or worse than the 2D BD, but it was 100% watchable to an untrained eye...

Is this the case with most 3D movies? Id love to save money and just buy 3D BD if I can watch them in 2D using the TVs built in setting.
post #6633 of 9713
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

great question on 3D/2D/samedisc/seperatedisc/...don't judge me, but I purchased my first 3D movie bundle. It was Step Up 3D (for my wife). It includes in the bundle: 3D BD, 2D BD, Digital Copy, and DVD. The 3D and 2D are their own discs. We watched the 3D disc in 3D. Afterwards, I tested the 3D disc by putting the TV into 2D mode and it worked fine. Not saying it was as good or worse than the 2D BD, but it was 100% watchable to an untrained eye...

Is this the case with most 3D movies? Id love to save money and just buy 3D BD if I can watch them in 2D using the TVs built in setting.

The MVC codec used on 3d BD's basically has 2 "images" available. The packed frame format has at least one full 1080p movie available in the oversized frame. If you just set the player for 2d you get at least a full 2d 1080p stand-alone movie. 3d BD's are backward compatible with 2d players that only read the single frame AVC data and ignore the rest of the packed frame data. You may find a few minor releases that use side-by-side or top-and-bottom formats that will be decoded as 1/2 resolution movies but if its a normal 3d BD release from a major studio it will use packed frames and not the 1/2 resolution formats that circulate on the web and pirate copy sites.
Edited by tpollagi - 2/17/13 at 9:00am
post #6634 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

So I took delivery of my 55GT50 last Saturday, dutifully did the slides for 100 hours, calibrated to DNICE's settings and WOW! What a great picture.
I rented Loopers and sat down to enjoy the set.
Now the question. During the green ratings screen, I saw saw the line bleed. very noticable. I guess everyone gets that to some degree?
However I noticed something else. Whenever the screen was dark and there was a concentrated point of light (the moon, head lights or in the example below, a spot light) I get a BLUE line running across the screen, radiating horizontally from the light source. Is this line bleed? Is this acceptable or is something wrong? It's pretty distracting
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I have noticed the "blue streak" effect also a couple of times over the 2 weeks I have had the TV. It happened in Looper, exactly as the original poster described it. Happened again with Captain America, whenever a soldier was on the screen with the little blue lights on their guns. Has this been determined to be a glitch with certain TVs, or all TVs within this model. In other words, has anyone watched Looper without seeing the blue streaks? Has anyone tried Looper via Amazon streaming rather than the Blu-Ray? Has anyone discovered any changes in the picture settings that would fix the streaks? Thx
post #6635 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Copper Blue View Post

I have noticed the "blue streak" effect also a couple of times over the 2 weeks I have had the TV. It happened in Looper, exactly as the original poster described it. Happened again with Captain America, whenever a soldier was on the screen with the little blue lights on their guns. Has this been determined to be a glitch with certain TVs, or all TVs within this model. In other words, has anyone watched Looper without seeing the blue streaks? Has anyone tried Looper via Amazon streaming rather than the Blu-Ray? Has anyone discovered any changes in the picture settings that would fix the streaks? Thx

Noticed it on several movies. Played those movies on my lap-top with LCD screen and guess what ? The horizontal flares are still there. They are part of the movies. Fully explains why they are only present some of the time. I can't tell you if it is intended by the director or is a byproduct of the filming and video transfer process but I can say its not a gt50 problem.
post #6636 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Copper Blue View Post

I have noticed the "blue streak" effect also a couple of times over the 2 weeks I have had the TV. It happened in Looper, exactly as the original poster described it. Happened again with Captain America, whenever a soldier was on the screen with the little blue lights on their guns. Has this been determined to be a glitch with certain TVs, or all TVs within this model. In other words, has anyone watched Looper without seeing the blue streaks? Has anyone tried Looper via Amazon streaming rather than the Blu-Ray? Has anyone discovered any changes in the picture settings that would fix the streaks? Thx

As tpollagi says, they are part of the movie. Do a Google search on lens flares in movies. You'll find they are used in a number of movies, including Looper. I am not a huge fan, especially when overdone. For good examples of overuse, see J.J. Abram's Star Trek and Super 8.
post #6637 of 9713
Seeking some advice, as I may have a defective unit but I'm not 100% sure. First off, the sound quality on this TV has been miserably bad. I am planning on hooking the TV up to a home theater system but for now, we are using the TV as is. The sound issues can be described as a combination of the following: a fax machine running in the back ground, a speaker that is taped up, machinery being processed. Appears to happen during certain sound frequencies because the noise is not constant, only during certain scenes or melody changes. Its also loud enough to be noticeable for the entire room and will overpower the integrity of the intended sound.

Is this a sign of my TV being defective? Could it be my bluray player (ps3)? I'm using cheap $2 HDMI's.. could that be an issue? Thanks in advanced.
post #6638 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wliu003 View Post

Seeking some advice, as I may have a defective unit but I'm not 100% sure. First off, the sound quality on this TV has been miserably bad. I am planning on hooking the TV up to a home theater system but for now, we are using the TV as is. The sound issues can be described as a combination of the following: a fax machine running in the back ground, a speaker that is taped up, machinery being processed. Appears to happen during certain sound frequencies because the noise is not constant, only during certain scenes or melody changes. Its also loud enough to be noticeable for the entire room and will overpower the integrity of the intended sound.

Is this a sign of my TV being defective? Could it be my bluray player (ps3)? I'm using cheap $2 HDMI's.. could that be an issue? Thanks in advanced.

The sound on my set is clear as a bell. The noise you describe certainly is not normal. No flat panel TV ever made is going to win an award for great sound quality but the GT50 actually sounds pretty OK compared to most. Does the TV always sound like you describe or just with the disk player? This would help to narrow the problem to the TV or the disk player and hook-up. If it sounds bad using the media player or tv tuner then the problem is with the tv. If those sources sound OK then check the disk player menus and see if you are outputting PCM, DD5.1, or stereo.
post #6639 of 9713
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Originally Posted by MagSec 4 View Post

Actually there is a way to disable this dynamic contrast crap. Go to hdmi settings then to content type and switch to graphics. Instantly the dynamic contrast is gone now can someone please calibrate game mode on this tv and post the settings? Right now im using d-nice's settings but if someone could get close to those using game mode, i would love to play god of war ascension using game mode calibrated to d65. The only downside to game mode is that you cant adjust white balance unless you go into the system menu. Experiment guys.

Unfortunately that's just not true. While this change does improve the bizarre color saturation tricks that Game mode enables, it doesn't disable the dynamic contrast. You can easily test this with the patterns on lagom.nl; when you toggle game mode on, you can see it adjust the contrast over a couple of seconds and crush the entire first row of black squares in the black level test, while you can see some or all of them (depending on your settings and the room) in a normal mode like "custom." It crushes blacks to artificially enhance the amount of perceived contrast, and this is always going to leave you with reduced shadow detail.

*Edit: I should probably clarify that there are really two things going on, and that you may technically be correct to say that this setting disables "dynamic contrast"; Graphics mode does indeed stop the display from ramping up the brightness of parts of the scene to create artificial contrast, which is what results in oversaturated colors and scenes in general. What it does not fix is "black enhancement," which is another trick TVs use to create perceived dynamic contrast. It's essentially deciding that, for example, the first 5 levels of "grey" should be rendered as black. The brighter the scene, the more intense the effect (its goal is essentially to make sure there's always some true black on the screen). As far as I know there is no way to turn off the second thing, and that means it's still going to be pretty difficult to calibrate the display properly (and losing shadow detail is just bad either way).

In case anyone's curious the only thing "Photo" mode seems to do different from "Graphics" is to switch from wide to normal color space. I personally think the display is better left in "wide" mode unless you like your greens a bit washed out looking.
Edited by headlesschickens - 2/17/13 at 3:31pm
post #6640 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wliu003 View Post


Is this a sign of my TV being defective? Could it be my bluray player (ps3)? I'm using cheap $2 HDMI's.. could that be an issue? Thanks in advanced.
It's hard to answer your question because you haven't given us any details about how your sound problems relate to the source material that you're watching -- cable, Blu-ray, DVD, CD, or streaming are all relevant.

I doubt it's your HDMI cables because you haven't mentioned any factor that's similar to any HDMI problems that I'm aware of. Based only on what you wrote, my guess would be a damaged speaker. If the PQ is good on your TV, I would get it repaired under warranty rather than exchange it. You also didn't mention how long you've had your TV or what your options are. Information is golden. biggrin.gif
post #6641 of 9713
Wow sounds familiar. I just installed my GT 50 this weekend and the sound is an issue. I am just running straight HDMI from the cable box (Comcast/Xfinity) to Input 1. At time the Dialogue is creating a vibration type sound, thinking bad speaker connection type of sound. It is not constant but frequent enough. Initially I thought is was just the cable channel, but it is most every channel. Do I return it? Did I miss a setting? I am not expecting great sound from the TV just clear dialogue.
Thanks in advance you your help.
post #6642 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It's hard to answer your question because you haven't given us any details about how your sound problems relate to the source material that you're watching -- cable, Blu-ray, DVD, CD, or streaming are all relevant.

I doubt it's your HDMI cables because you haven't mentioned any factor that's similar to any HDMI problems that I'm aware of. Based only on what you wrote, my guess would be a damaged speaker. If the PQ is good on your TV, I would get it repaired under warranty rather than exchange it. You also didn't mention how long you've had your TV or what your options are. Information is golden. biggrin.gif

Apologies for the lack of information.

I was watching The Dark Knight Rises on Blu-ray, but have since tested the TV with other Blu-ray movies and all have the same issues that I've described. This also occurs when using the SmartTV internet function with Youtube videos.

I've had the TV for about 1 week and I purchase the TV from PaulsTV.com
post #6643 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

The sound on my set is clear as a bell. The noise you describe certainly is not normal. No flat panel TV ever made is going to win an award for great sound quality but the GT50 actually sounds pretty OK compared to most. Does the TV always sound like you describe or just with the disk player? This would help to narrow the problem to the TV or the disk player and hook-up. If it sounds bad using the media player or tv tuner then the problem is with the tv. If those sources sound OK then check the disk player menus and see if you are outputting PCM, DD5.1, or stereo.

Happens when watching youtube via the smartTV internet functions as well.
post #6644 of 9713
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Originally Posted by wliu003 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It's hard to answer your question because you haven't given us any details about how your sound problems relate to the source material that you're watching -- cable, Blu-ray, DVD, CD, or streaming are all relevant.

I doubt it's your HDMI cables because you haven't mentioned any factor that's similar to any HDMI problems that I'm aware of. Based only on what you wrote, my guess would be a damaged speaker. If the PQ is good on your TV, I would get it repaired under warranty rather than exchange it. You also didn't mention how long you've had your TV or what your options are. Information is golden. biggrin.gif

Apologies for the lack of information.

I was watching The Dark Knight Rises on Blu-ray, but have since tested the TV with other Blu-ray movies and all have the same issues that I've described. This also occurs when using the SmartTV internet function with Youtube videos.

I've had the TV for about 1 week and I purchase the TV from PaulsTV.com

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Originally Posted by Hattrick View Post

Wow sounds familiar. I just installed my GT 50 this weekend and the sound is an issue. I am just running straight HDMI from the cable box (Comcast/Xfinity) to Input 1. At time the Dialogue is creating a vibration type sound, thinking bad speaker connection type of sound. It is not constant but frequent enough. Initially I thought is was just the cable channel, but it is most every channel. Do I return it? Did I miss a setting? I am not expecting great sound from the TV just clear dialogue.
Thanks in advance you your help.
Here's the way I would look at this kind of problem. Check out your display carefully. If there is nothing else seriously wrong with your TV then I would go for an audio repair because it sounds like one or more defective or loose speakers are causing the audio noise you are hearing. The audio portion of a flat panel TV is trivial to repair, and I don't think it's worth returning an otherwise sound TV instead of doing a repair.

As for HDMI cables, if you're playing a Blu-ray disk and the video is good then it can't be the HDMI cables because the audio signal is embedded in the video data on the disk. Also, what you are hearing don't sound like a digital problem. It sound like a defective speaker cone.

If you have other issues with the set, then getting an exchange while you have that opportunity is a good idea.

One thing to check for would be too many dead or stuck pixels that you can see from your normal viewing seat. Another would be a buzzing sound that you can hear with the audio turned off. If it's irritating when you watch with the audio at normal levels the exchange the set. A third thing might be excessive lack of uniformity on your screen when displaying a solid color.

It's also a good idea to check your screen for mini-cracks. That's something that should be checked for when a plasma is delivered. With the set OFF, shine a flash light on the screen from about 175 degrees across the screen. That will help you find any small cracks that might not be visible otherwise.

NOTE: To get the most out of a service call it's best to have an example that it repeatable every time you try it. If defective or loose speaker cones are at fault, something with loud low frequencies should make the problem worse every time. It should also get worse as volume increases. This theory won't hold up if the problem is inconsistent and you can't be sure when it's going to show up. In that case, you need a better theory. That means more carefully defined testing. eek.gif
Edited by htwaits - 2/17/13 at 11:17pm
post #6645 of 9713
Panasonic sent me to a service tech that picked up the tv and declared the board was bad after they installed a new which didn't work they said the panel was bad which they will replace but they are in a three back order.Google Nexus 7 Tablet Reviews
Edited by ackergwj - 3/18/13 at 7:36pm
post #6646 of 9713
Panasonic sent me to a service tech that picked up the tv and declared the board was bad after they installed a new which didn't work they said the panel was bad which they will replace but they are in a three back order.1.gif
post #6647 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In most cases the "wipe" is a placebo to make you feel better. Normal use of your TV with a constant mix of what you're watching is a better way to take care of your TV. It's more fun too. biggrin.gif

Thanks again for the response. I understand the slides will not reduce the IR, however I was wondering if it was too late to "evenly age" the set. After 6 weeks of use I guess it's irrelevant.
post #6648 of 9713
Not sure where I should post this question, so I'll start here since it is in reference to a 65GT50.

I'm having a hard time adjusting this TV to get an "acceptable" picture experience. I put that term in quotes because most of the time, the picture is outstanding. I seem to have a problem with some bright colors/whites being too bright. I liken what I am seeing to having a flash light shined in my eyes in the dark. When I ask my wife how she likes the picture, she says it feels like her eyes are being burned. And it usually happens when there is a light source in the picture (a lamp in the movie, car head lights in the movie, electronic LED/lights in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon, etc.).

I've adjusted my TV using the Disney WOW disc. Due to the ABL, I tried to adjust contrast using the color/tint page (has the small pluge patterns for brightness and contrast on the bottom) after using the original brightness and contrast patterns. The picture overall looks fantastic. I don't think I have the contrast adjusted too high (currently running in Custom mode, contrast 67, brightness 63, gamma 2.4, panel brightness mid, all other pro settings are zero/off). I'm usually accused of having my TV adjusted too dark for other people's liking, so I'm not cranking it up. Color and tint were also adjusted using the pattern and filter. I backed off the color setting to try and make the colors less saturated/bright. All of my experiences include at least a lamp on in the room, as well as a CinemaQuest Ideal-Lume bias light behind the TV at night.

As an example, I watched Star Wars: A New Hope last night. In the scenes where Obi-Wan is sneaking around the Death Star, the walls are lighted up and down. I can barely watch these scenes because it feels like laser beams pointed at my eyes from the on-screen wall lights. In the same movie with the same TV settings, the bright desert scenes look perfect. It seems like it is mostly high-contrast scenes, or high-contrast differences in a scene, that cause the problem, but not always. Another example in the same movie is when the Millennium Falcon is docked in the Death Star and you get a front shot of the ship with space behind it. The ship and space look great, as well as all the storm troopers. But there is a lighted frame around the opening to space, and the lighted frame is very bothersome, even if I'm not looking directly at that part of the picture. TRON: Legacy? Forget it.

It seems like the only thing I can do to make the bright lights better is to lower the contrast. When I do that, the picture definitely gets too dark. I'm talking like contrast in the upper 30s, lower 40s. All that does is make these bright colors appear normal, and everything else is too dark.

So, after a long rambling, is this normal? Can this be "fixed" or adjusted with a proper calibration? Is my set defective? It is so distracting right now that I don't think I can stay with this set if it is the norm. I've had 3 TVs in this room recently: My old Sony KDS-60A3000 (adjusted using Avia), a Sony KDL-60EX645 (adjusted using Disney WOW), and this Panasonic 65GT50 (adjusted using WOW). The only one I have this issue with is the GT50. In fact, I could turn off all the lights in the room and watch the 2 Sony TVs and not have a problem, so I don't think I need more light in my viewing environment.

Help me keep this set, because I love it otherwise.
post #6649 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PDCL View Post

Not sure where I should post this question, so I'll start here since it is in reference to a 65GT50.

I'm having a hard time adjusting this TV to get an "acceptable" picture experience. I put that term in quotes because most of the time, the picture is outstanding. I seem to have a problem with some bright colors/whites being too bright. I liken what I am seeing to having a flash light shined in my eyes in the dark. When I ask my wife how she likes the picture, she says it feels like her eyes are being burned. And it usually happens when there is a light source in the picture (a lamp in the movie, car head lights in the movie, electronic LED/lights in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon, etc.).

I've adjusted my TV using the Disney WOW disc. Due to the ABL, I tried to adjust contrast using the color/tint page (has the small pluge patterns for brightness and contrast on the bottom) after using the original brightness and contrast patterns. The picture overall looks fantastic. I don't think I have the contrast adjusted too high (currently running in Custom mode, contrast 67, brightness 63, gamma 2.4, panel brightness mid, all other pro settings are zero/off). I'm usually accused of having my TV adjusted too dark for other people's liking, so I'm not cranking it up. Color and tint were also adjusted using the pattern and filter. I backed off the color setting to try and make the colors less saturated/bright. All of my experiences include at least a lamp on in the room, as well as a CinemaQuest Ideal-Lume bias light behind the TV at night.

As an example, I watched Star Wars: A New Hope last night. In the scenes where Obi-Wan is sneaking around the Death Star, the walls are lighted up and down. I can barely watch these scenes because it feels like laser beams pointed at my eyes from the on-screen wall lights. In the same movie with the same TV settings, the bright desert scenes look perfect. It seems like it is mostly high-contrast scenes, or high-contrast differences in a scene, that cause the problem, but not always. Another example in the same movie is when the Millennium Falcon is docked in the Death Star and you get a front shot of the ship with space behind it. The ship and space look great, as well as all the storm troopers. But there is a lighted frame around the opening to space, and the lighted frame is very bothersome, even if I'm not looking directly at that part of the picture. TRON: Legacy? Forget it.

It seems like the only thing I can do to make the bright lights better is to lower the contrast. When I do that, the picture definitely gets too dark. I'm talking like contrast in the upper 30s, lower 40s. All that does is make these bright colors appear normal, and everything else is too dark.

So, after a long rambling, is this normal? Can this be "fixed" or adjusted with a proper calibration? Is my set defective? It is so distracting right now that I don't think I can stay with this set if it is the norm. I've had 3 TVs in this room recently: My old Sony KDS-60A3000 (adjusted using Avia), a Sony KDL-60EX645 (adjusted using Disney WOW), and this Panasonic 65GT50 (adjusted using WOW). The only one I have this issue with is the GT50. In fact, I could turn off all the lights in the room and watch the 2 Sony TVs and not have a problem, so I don't think I need more light in my viewing environment.

Help me keep this set, because I love it otherwise.

That brightness setting seems high and the contrast is low usually mid 70s mid 80s is what folks use, usually mid 50's is best, have you tried thx cinema ? Also what is your color setting mid 40s is usually what people use on your set
post #6650 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PDCL View Post

Not sure where I should post this question, so I'll start here since it is in reference to a 65GT50.

I'm having a hard time adjusting this TV to get an "acceptable" picture experience. I put that term in quotes because most of the time, the picture is outstanding. I seem to have a problem with some bright colors/whites being too bright. I liken what I am seeing to having a flash light shined in my eyes in the dark. When I ask my wife how she likes the picture, she says it feels like her eyes are being burned. And it usually happens when there is a light source in the picture (a lamp in the movie, car head lights in the movie, electronic LED/lights in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon, etc.).

I've adjusted my TV using the Disney WOW disc. Due to the ABL, I tried to adjust contrast using the color/tint page (has the small pluge patterns for brightness and contrast on the bottom) after using the original brightness and contrast patterns. The picture overall looks fantastic. I don't think I have the contrast adjusted too high (currently running in Custom mode, contrast 67, brightness 63, gamma 2.4, panel brightness mid, all other pro settings are zero/off). I'm usually accused of having my TV adjusted too dark for other people's liking, so I'm not cranking it up. Color and tint were also adjusted using the pattern and filter. I backed off the color setting to try and make the colors less saturated/bright. All of my experiences include at least a lamp on in the room, as well as a CinemaQuest Ideal-Lume bias light behind the TV at night.

As an example, I watched Star Wars: A New Hope last night. In the scenes where Obi-Wan is sneaking around the Death Star, the walls are lighted up and down. I can barely watch these scenes because it feels like laser beams pointed at my eyes from the on-screen wall lights. In the same movie with the same TV settings, the bright desert scenes look perfect. It seems like it is mostly high-contrast scenes, or high-contrast differences in a scene, that cause the problem, but not always. Another example in the same movie is when the Millennium Falcon is docked in the Death Star and you get a front shot of the ship with space behind it. The ship and space look great, as well as all the storm troopers. But there is a lighted frame around the opening to space, and the lighted frame is very bothersome, even if I'm not looking directly at that part of the picture. TRON: Legacy? Forget it.

It seems like the only thing I can do to make the bright lights better is to lower the contrast. When I do that, the picture definitely gets too dark. I'm talking like contrast in the upper 30s, lower 40s. All that does is make these bright colors appear normal, and everything else is too dark.

So, after a long rambling, is this normal? Can this be "fixed" or adjusted with a proper calibration? Is my set defective? It is so distracting right now that I don't think I can stay with this set if it is the norm. I've had 3 TVs in this room recently: My old Sony KDS-60A3000 (adjusted using Avia), a Sony KDL-60EX645 (adjusted using Disney WOW), and this Panasonic 65GT50 (adjusted using WOW). The only one I have this issue with is the GT50. In fact, I could turn off all the lights in the room and watch the 2 Sony TVs and not have a problem, so I don't think I need more light in my viewing environment.

Help me keep this set, because I love it otherwise.

Hmm...let's see. Post all of your settings from the general picture settings, pro settings, and advanced picture settings menus and let's take a look at the whole package.
post #6651 of 9713
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

That brightness setting seems high and the contrast is low usually mid 70s mid 80s is what folks use, usually mid 50's is best, have you tried thx cinema ? Also what is your color setting mid 40s is usually what people use on your set

Not sure which numbers you are saying belong to which setting. My original adjustment had contrast at ~77 (don't remember exactly) using the contrast pluge pattern and brightness at 53. Still had the same problem. I brought brightness up because I felt like I was losing detail in dark scenes, and brought contrast down because I thought it was too bright, and because the contrast pluge pattern on the color pattern screen was overblown. I'm saying all of this not really knowing much about calibration/adjustment. I've just always followed the directions on these discs and gotten a pretty good picture. I adjusted the contrast based on the pluge pattern on the color screen based on what I have read about plasma ABL. It just made sense that if the brightness is cut on a full-white screen, that it would be more accurate if the whole screen was less bright, therefore ABL would have less affect on the pattern and adjustments. That could be completely wrong, and I am open to being told so.

Color is set at 43. I have tried jogging through the different modes and didn't find a solution, although I did not go through the full process of using the WOW disc for adjustment.
post #6652 of 9713
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Originally Posted by PDCL View Post

Not sure which numbers you are saying belong to which setting. My original adjustment had contrast at ~77 (don't remember exactly) using the contrast pluge pattern and brightness at 53. Still had the same problem. I brought brightness up because I felt like I was losing detail in dark scenes, and brought contrast down because I thought it was too bright, and because the contrast pluge pattern on the color pattern screen was overblown. I'm saying all of this not really knowing much about calibration/adjustment. I've just always followed the directions on these discs and gotten a pretty good picture. I adjusted the contrast based on the pluge pattern on the color screen based on what I have read about plasma ABL. It just made sense that if the brightness is cut on a full-white screen, that it would be more accurate if the whole screen was less bright, therefore ABL would have less affect on the pattern and adjustments. That could be completely wrong, and I am open to being told so.

Color is set at 43. I have tried jogging through the different modes and didn't find a solution, although I did not go through the full process of using the WOW disc for adjustment.

I would say your original settings of 77 and 53 are pretty close, mid panel brightness would also have an effect. HD Master can help you I am sure smile.gif
post #6653 of 9713
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Originally Posted by rmallen View Post

As tpollagi says, they are part of the movie. Do a Google search on lens flares in movies. You'll find they are used in a number of movies, including Looper. I am not a huge fan, especially when overdone. For good examples of overuse, see J.J. Abram's Star Trek and Super 8.

Agreed not the TV. Check out Total Recall (2012) for another movie with excessive use of flare.
post #6654 of 9713
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

That brightness setting seems high and the contrast is low usually mid 70s mid 80s is what folks use, usually mid 50's is best, have you tried thx cinema ? Also what is your color setting mid 40s is usually what people use on your set

Not sure which numbers you are saying belong to which setting. My original adjustment had contrast at ~77 (don't remember exactly) using the contrast pluge pattern and brightness at 53. Still had the same problem. I brought brightness up because I felt like I was losing detail in dark scenes, and brought contrast down because I thought it was too bright, and because the contrast pluge pattern on the color pattern screen was overblown. I'm saying all of this not really knowing much about calibration/adjustment. I've just always followed the directions on these discs and gotten a pretty good picture. I adjusted the contrast based on the pluge pattern on the color screen based on what I have read about plasma ABL. It just made sense that if the brightness is cut on a full-white screen, that it would be more accurate if the whole screen was less bright, therefore ABL would have less affect on the pattern and adjustments. That could be completely wrong, and I am open to being told so.

Color is set at 43. I have tried jogging through the different modes and didn't find a solution, although I did not go through the full process of using the WOW disc for adjustment.

As I said, post all of your settings so we can see the whole picture and help you.
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Not sure which numbers you are saying belong to which setting. My original adjustment had contrast at ~77 (don't remember exactly) using the contrast pluge pattern and brightness at 53. Still had the same problem. I brought brightness up because I felt like I was losing detail in dark scenes, and brought contrast down because I thought it was too bright, and because the contrast pluge pattern on the color pattern screen was overblown. I'm saying all of this not really knowing much about calibration/adjustment. I've just always followed the directions on these discs and gotten a pretty good picture. I adjusted the contrast based on the pluge pattern on the color screen based on what I have read about plasma ABL. It just made sense that if the brightness is cut on a full-white screen, that it would be more accurate if the whole screen was less bright, therefore ABL would have less affect on the pattern and adjustments. That could be completely wrong, and I am open to being told so.

Color is set at 43. I have tried jogging through the different modes and didn't find a solution, although I did not go through the full process of using the WOW disc for adjustment.

I'm not sure how the WoW calibration goes, but 53 seems somewhat low for brightness. Not all sets are the same, but on mine, at 56 brightness I'm just barely where I should be, even if perhaps a hair too dark. I recommend trying brightness around 56-58, and contrast around 75-80. I think you sort of went the opposite direction with your adjustments. Using a lower contrast and a higher brightness than you should, will give you a slightly dim/washed out looking picture. As for ABL, I wouldn't be concerned about it, at least not enough to calibrate the set around it. The ABL is actually quite good in the GT50, and the set can stay quite bright, short of an almost full white screen.
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Price on amazon went up $70.

Supply must be low.
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Not sure which numbers you are saying belong to which setting. My original adjustment had contrast at ~77 (don't remember exactly) using the contrast pluge pattern and brightness at 53. Still had the same problem. I brought brightness up because I felt like I was losing detail in dark scenes, and brought contrast down because I thought it was too bright, and because the contrast pluge pattern on the color pattern screen was overblown. I'm saying all of this not really knowing much about calibration/adjustment. I've just always followed the directions on these discs and gotten a pretty good picture. I adjusted the contrast based on the pluge pattern on the color screen based on what I have read about plasma ABL. It just made sense that if the brightness is cut on a full-white screen, that it would be more accurate if the whole screen was less bright, therefore ABL would have less affect on the pattern and adjustments. That could be completely wrong, and I am open to being told so.

Color is set at 43. I have tried jogging through the different modes and didn't find a solution, although I did not go through the full process of using the WOW disc for adjustment.

This may be a stupid suggestion, but since you didn't post your full settings I can't know if you've already done it: Make sure that "AGC" and "Black Extension" are both set to zero in the Pro menu. These settings make up the dynamic contrast effect, with AGC increasing the brightness of the brightest bits of a scene and Black Extension lowering the brightness of the darkest parts. Additionally make sure you're in one of the modes that exposes the "Pro" settings (the exception is the THX modes, which are somewhat decent even without Pro settings). Basically you should be in "custom" unless you're using THX, as both "standard" and "vivid" are horrible modes with lots of processing you won't be able to disable.

If you rule the dynamic contrast issue out, then I'd say it's likely that you're just not used to the extreme contrast range you can get from a plasma. One of the features most of us like about them is that they can render extremely dark blacks right next to very bright whites, however depending on your eyes and the viewing environment (ie, total darkness) it can occasionally be slightly harsh. Especially if you're fairly far form the screen for its size, which means your eyes will adjust to the mostly dark scene and be bothered by the small window of very bright light in the middle.

Just a side note, a brightness of anything above about 56 will likely make it impossible for the TV to do true black in most cases. Depending on the source material and contrast I can usually not get above 56 without starting to see dither in the areas that should be true black. That won't help with your problem but I thought it was good to know when setting brightness. If you post your full settings there are lots of people here who might be able to provide more information about how to calibrate your display in general.
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Thanks for the replies so far. I will post all of my settings later when I get home from work.
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Edited by futbalguy - 2/18/13 at 11:29am
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Thanks for the replies so far. I will post all of my settings later when I get home from work.

I think you are just seeing really harsh contrast. I use HD-masters settings and I notice the same thing. If there is a lens flare or a bright light (such as a concert spot light aimed at the camera) then it is so bright it hurts my eyes. It doesnt happen frequently enough that I want to change the settings because they look good. I installed bias lighting to add some more light to the room and its helped. I assume it is just the TV being able to show a really bright light next to a dark scene and my eyes not being comfortable.
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