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post #7231 of 9107
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Why are you worried about somethng you cant see during normal viewing ?

unfortunately it seems I can see it now from time to time, bah
post #7232 of 9107
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Why are you worried about somethng you cant see during normal viewing ?

unfortunately it seems I can see it now from time to time, bah
post #7233 of 9107
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

unfortunately it seems I can see it now from time to time, bah
You probably see it now because you know its there. Quit using the slides to check for ir. Dont worry about anything that isnt obvious. Keep watching tv and it will go away.
post #7234 of 9107
k, thanks. I will be fine if I know it will go away...clealry this is IR, not burn-in right?
post #7235 of 9107
It will go away, but it could take several hours or more to fully go away on a red slide. You shouldn't notice it watching normal content after a while though, unless it's really bad. I would be careful about using the menu too much though, for some reason it's the hardest IR for me to get rid of. I can watch TV for 2 hours with a bright white logo and the IR will go away faster than the IR from the menu, even though the menu is only screen for a fraction of the time in comparison.
post #7236 of 9107
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Why are you worried about somethng you cant see during normal viewing ?
lol. Welcome to AVS.
post #7237 of 9107
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

It will go away, but it could take several hours or more to fully go away on a red slide. You shouldn't notice it watching normal content after a while though, unless it's really bad. I would be careful about using the menu too much though, for some reason it's the hardest IR for me to get rid of. I can watch TV for 2 hours with a bright white logo and the IR will go away faster than the IR from the menu, even though the menu is only screen for a fraction of the time in comparison.

K, thanks.

It was probably a good thing this happened, made me realize how I do need to be on the ball with it.

I am going to bring my contrast and brightness down, that should help as well, right?
post #7238 of 9107
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

K, thanks.

It was probably a good thing this happened, made me realize how I do need to be on the ball with it.

I am going to bring my contrast and brightness down, that should help as well, right?

Not really. Either your particular panel is prone to getting stubborn IR, or it's not. I've always run my Contrast very high (+85-ish) starting from day one and my panel is very resistant - IR goes away very quickly, yet some people here with lower contrast settings still get stubborn IR that does not go away quickly.
post #7239 of 9107
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

lol. Welcome to AVS.

I'm pretty picky yet I never go looking for IR or worse.. If its not staring me in the face or causing another family member to comment, it ain't there... biggrin.gif

Now, I'm not discounting those that have issues with IR or burn,, Me, myself and I just try not to focus on something that may or may not be inevitable. We just use the TV for whatever we want to display on it. I don't however let the family members pause any content on any of our flat panels for more than a couple minutes. That I do preach on a daily basis.

Cheers
post #7240 of 9107
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

I'm pretty picky yet I never go looking for IR or worse.. If its not staring me in the face or causing another family member to comment, it ain't there... biggrin.gif

Now, I'm not discounting those that have issues with IR or burn,, Me, myself and I just try not to focus on something that may or may not be inevitable. We just use the TV for whatever we want to display on it. I don't however let the family members pause any content on any of our flat panels for more than a couple minutes. That I do preach on a daily basis.

Cheers
I literally don't treat my plasma any different then I do my LEDs or monitors. I watch sports. Movies. And play a ton if games. I'm sure if I threw a slide on right away if see IR for sure. Sometimes I can actually see some IR right after gaming. But it's never stayed there for more then 30 mins from what I could tell.

As much as I love this site it can amaze you what people think is a "problem."
post #7241 of 9107
Now that things have settled down, I wanted to discuss contrast again, and the limits of it's effectiveness. What I noticed is that it's not that nothing is happening, it's that it was so subtle it would have been impossible to see by eye from a normal distance. Of course the fact it can't be seen by eye normally is a testament to how truly negligible the effects are. I only tested Custom/Game/THX:BR up close, so I don't know how the other modes fared. Inches from the TV, shortly after 90 contrast I could see white areas start to get bright white snow introduced into the picture, like a black background if you turned up the brightness setting too high. I only saw any change to white areas though, other pixels/colors seemed to remain the same.

The major difference here is that settings before 80 act much, much differently. It only takes a few clicks to see that the entire image is getting brighter, if you look closely you can see a large surface of pixels just light up. On these modes you will not notice this effect occur at all after 80 (your TV may vary slightly on that number). HD-Master tested small white windows, and while I believe his results were correct, they just don't apply the same way to full screen content. Watching full screen content, 4:3 content, widescreen with black bars, etc. your contrast is effectively "capped". I think it's unfortunate the TV can't get much brighter than 80 in it's most accurate mode, but I believe any increase in brightness would be offset by the ABL anyway.

Feel free to ignore this, test it yourself, whatever you like. biggrin.gif
post #7242 of 9107
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Not really. Either your particular panel is prone to getting stubborn IR, or it's not. I've always run my Contrast very high (+85-ish) starting from day one and my panel is very resistant - IR goes away very quickly, yet some people here with lower contrast settings still get stubborn IR that does not go away quickly.

I have to agree with Randy, but shows that use dimmed logos vs. bright white logos will make a difference.
post #7243 of 9107
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Not really. Either your particular panel is prone to getting stubborn IR, or it's not. I've always run my Contrast very high (+85-ish) starting from day one and my panel is very resistant - IR goes away very quickly, yet some people here with lower contrast settings still get stubborn IR that does not go away quickly.


Is that seen as a defect if my panal is prone to getting it? Not saying mine is, but would Panasonic?
post #7244 of 9107
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Originally Posted by Mangoes View Post

I tried using HD Masters settings too and same result. The issue is that the picture looks pixelated (?) and not clear. Almost like the signal in not HD. I even reset the TV to factory settings and started fresh. Same issues.

I really want this TV to work. I know the source could be of issue but I don't think this should be an issue from an blue ray source. I unplugged and reinserted the HDMI cables. No change.

Any other suggestions?
If you have an exchange option that's a possibility. Keep in mind that what you have described makes no sense to the owners in this thread. A cable or satellite feed could change or you could be making a mistake that no one has caught. Also, the picture quality of Blu-ray disks can vary quite a bit from one title to another. What titles are you using and are they 2D or 3D?

You may have already stated the size of your screen and how far back you are sitting but I don't recall . One way to see what you're reporting ("the picture looks pixelated") is to get up and go closer to the screen to see how "good" or "bad" it is.
post #7245 of 9107
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Originally Posted by investmentcar View Post

John,


Can anyone tell me where to find the settings above or why I have judder (I am not sure if that is the right term) on certain tv shows?

Yea, I asked this question in two different areas on this forum, including GT50 forum and the general area. No response so I barged ahead on my own. I noticed that the credits at the end of a movie (satellite/TV OR Blu-ray) were jittery, which seemed unacceptable to me after seeing many Panasonic TV's with a Panasonic BDT-210 working GREAT, and smooth ! OK, so I went to Motion Smoother and tried "weak"= no improvement, and then I tried "Moderate" and did find that this helped jittery credits. Yes, I did get a liiiiittle bit of the "soap TV" effect, but I will get use to it. Prefer it to the jitters. I asked in another forum if there might be other negative side-effects from the "Moderate" setting of "Motion Smoother" e.g. less sharp ??? and I go t no response. Interesting as folks are moaning about "buzz" etc.,, but there seems to be almost no response about judder and non-smooth response, which I consider a problem in this model.
post #7246 of 9107
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

Yea, I asked this question in two different areas on this forum, including GT50 forum and the general area. No response so I barged ahead on my own. I noticed that the credits at the end of a movie (satellite/TV OR Blu-ray) were jittery, which seemed unacceptable to me after seeing many Panasonic TV's with a Panasonic BDT-210 working GREAT, and smooth ! OK, so I went to Motion Smoother and tried "weak"= no improvement, and then I tried "Moderate" and did find that this helped jittery credits. Yes, I did get a liiiiittle bit of the "soap TV" effect, but I will get use to it. Prefer it to the jitters. I asked in another forum if there might be other negative side-effects from the "Moderate" setting of "Motion Smoother" e.g. less sharp ??? and I go t no response. Interesting as folks are moaning about "buzz" etc.,, but there seems to be almost no response about judder and non-smooth response, which I consider a problem in this model.

Do you think the Blu-ray looked bad to you? I'm not really sure why the credits are jittery, but my Blu-rays look smooth and motion is natural. Do you think the credits are indicative of the Blu-ray not performing correctly? Also, what other Panasonic's were you referring to, and is it possible they had motion smoothing enabled?
Edited by JSpectre88 - 3/3/13 at 1:05pm
post #7247 of 9107
The credits jittering slightly is common and the fix for most is exactly what was described. Motion smoother on. Motion smoother may have adverse affects on pq but if you havent noticed any then dont worry about it.
post #7248 of 9107
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The credits jittering slightly is common and the fix for most is exactly what was described. Motion smoother on. Motion smoother may have adverse affects on pq but if you havent noticed any then dont worry about it.

Do you know why they are jittery in the first place though? I don't remember credits ever looking jittery on LCD, but I could be wrong.
post #7249 of 9107
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Do you know why they are jittery in the first place though? I don't remember credits ever looking jittery on LCD, but I could be wrong.
No.
post #7250 of 9107
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Originally Posted by AudiophileWalt View Post

"anyone have a link to hdmasters settings with the normal color space? wide gives me a bit to much of a red push on my set at times."


I noticed this on my set so I cut the The Red HIGH Drive from -5 to -8 and that did the trick'

His settings are -9 though aren't they?
post #7251 of 9107
Is there a difference between horizontal and vertical bars as far as ir and break in? The manual mentioned the vertical bars and to avoid them, but no mention of horizontal bars.....will I do damage to a new GT50 by viewing a widescreen Bluray? If so, at what point would it be safe?
Thanks!
post #7252 of 9107
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Originally Posted by jpl20 View Post

Is there a difference between horizontal and vertical bars as far as ir and break in? The manual mentioned the vertical bars and to avoid them, but no mention of horizontal bars.....will I do damage to a new GT50 by viewing a widescreen Bluray? If so, at what point would it be safe?
Thanks!

You won't, bars can do damage by unevenly wearing the phosphors in the TV. For that to happen however, the majority of the content you watch would all have bars in it. As long as you watch a varied amount of content on the TV, you should never encounter this.
post #7253 of 9107
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Originally Posted by jpl20 View Post

Is there a difference between horizontal and vertical bars as far as ir and break in? The manual mentioned the vertical bars and to avoid them, but no mention of horizontal bars.....will I do damage to a new GT50 by viewing a widescreen Bluray? If so, at what point would it be safe?
Thanks!
No difference and you will do no damage to watch a movie. Just watch some full screen content for the next couple of hours that you plan on watching to make up for it just to be safe.
post #7254 of 9107
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

No difference and you will do no damage to watch a movie. Just watch some full screen content for the next couple of hours that you plan on watching to make up for it just to be safe.

Do you really make up for anything though? I think you would have to reverse the process to have any impact, not that it would be necessary
post #7255 of 9107
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Do you really make up for anything though? I think you would have to reverse the process to have any impact, not that it would be necessary
You dont have to reverse the process. In most cases it wouldnt really be necessary for one movie but it would be safer. I do not want the person to get ir because I gave them bad advice.
post #7256 of 9107
Be careful! Watching widescreen content my cause your tv to FAIL! And it is NOT covered under warranty.
post #7257 of 9107
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You dont have to reverse the process. In most cases it wouldnt really be necessary for one movie but it would be safer. I do not want the person to get ir because I gave them bad advice.

I just meant that watching full screen content isn't going to undo the time you spent with the bars blacked out. I agree, it's not necessary to do anything unless you're trying to fix it after abusing the set. I don't think you get IR though in the same way when it comes to bars. You actually have to watch so much content of 4:3 or wide screen that the bars will actually be brighter than the rest of your TV due to uneven phosphor wear. As I said though, it should never occur unless it's practically all you use the TV for.
post #7258 of 9107
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Be careful! Watching widescreen content my cause your tv to FAIL! And it is NOT covered under warranty.

This is true.
post #7259 of 9107
Avoiding content with black bars is really only important in the first 150 hours or so when the tv is aging rapidly and even then its not like its critical or anything. If you were to watch 75 hrs of letterbox movies in the first 150 hrs you might run into some issues. But, particulary it seems with these tvs, every panel is different and I am not going to recommend anything that is not perfectly safe imo.
post #7260 of 9107
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Avoiding content with black bars is really only important in the first 150 hours or so when the tv is aging rapidly and even then its not like its critical or anything. If you were to watch 75 hrs of letterbox movies in the first 150 hrs you might run into some issues. But, particulary it seems with these tvs, every panel is different and I am not going to recommend anything that is not perfectly safe imo.

Agreed.
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