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post #8131 of 9042
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Consider yourself lucky lol

Maybe you missed the many posts here by those that were also "lucky" that got great prices through price matches at Best Buy wink.gif. Its called being a saavy shopper and not just going on the listed prices of retailers such as BB. Have you ever heard of price matching? The above is a typical response from you when you are totally wrong but you try to spin it in another direction. Maybe you would rather deal with places like Abe's of Maine as they have some of the lowest prices out there. I value service as much as I value getting the lowest price. Unique concept huh wink.gif?

Bill
post #8132 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Maybe you missed the many posts here by those that were also "lucky" that got great prices through price matches at Best Buy wink.gif. Its called being a saavy shopper and not just going on the listed prices of retailers such as BB. Have you ever heard of price matching? The above is a typical response from you when you are totally wrong but you try to spin it in another direction. Maybe you would rather deal with places like Abe's of Maine as they have some of the lowest prices out there. I value service as much as I value getting the lowest price. Unique concept huh wink.gif?

Bill
Considering I used to work for best buy for about 7 years. Yeah. I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to "spin it in another direction." They certainly aren't there to give you a deal. As I said. Consider yourself lucky.
post #8133 of 9042
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

Obviously its a matter of time, as will LED at some point disappear, but they currently have 4-5 models right? Cutting that to 2 would significantly reduce cost.

I just think its, bad news is better than no news for Panasonic. They will love any talk about their plasmas. Its only my opinion, but I think it is only speculation... I am wrong most of the time,mind.

Huge win for Samsung/LG mind you.

I wouldn't say it's a huge win. Samsung and Lg will both follow the same track. The future has always been led/oled. Thin and light. Great in energy. Everything is trying to go green. I wouldn't expect a tv to be any different.
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post #8135 of 9042
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I think you're describing a universal remote. wink.gif

Hehe, well it is easy enough to pair the cable remote with the tv, so why not the other way round? Well I am good for now since the tv menu is accessible via cable remote and that is the most important function to me anyways.
post #8136 of 9042
You want to pair your cable remote with your tv? Pretty sure you can do that.
post #8137 of 9042
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

You want to pair your cable remote with your tv? Pretty sure you can do that.
He said that was easy. Sounds more like he wants the tv remote to control the cable.
post #8138 of 9042
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Considering I used to work for best buy for about 7 years. Yeah. I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to "spin it in another direction." They certainly aren't there to give you a deal. As I said. Consider yourself lucky.

I'll let it go after this post to make a point that will help those looking to buy from Best Buy. If the staff at Best Buy "aren't there to give you a deal" why would they price match the 60GT50 twice once at $1699 and then again after I bought it for $1599? The CSA I dealt with was excellent making sure the 60GT50 was in the store (needed to be ordered) two days later. She also gave me two day shipping free (was orginally a 20.00 fee) for the Sanus mount so it would get to me before I picked up the plasma. She said there no charge due to the fact "I was spending as much as I was'. The Sanus mount I bought was originally $109.99 but had a sale price of $56.99. I don't consider that to be overpriced. Everything that the CSA promised me happened without issue and it was a pleasurable experience.

I'm sure there are those that have had bad experiences with Best Buy. It is going to happen due to the size of Best Buy and the fact that all employees will not go the distance like they did when I bought my 60GT50. But to make a blanket statements that "Best Buy is so overpriced" and "They certainly aren't there to give you a deal" is not true. Maybe due to your time as an employee with Best Buy you are not happy with them. That I'm not sure but to make statements as you have as if they are absolutes is just wrong IMO.

This post is not meant to be argumentive. But I would like to show that Best Buy's prices are not over priced and that they offer excellent service. At least that was my experience on more than one occasion when dealing with Best Buy.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sanus+-+Classic+Tilting+Wall+Mount+for+Most+32%22+-+63%22+Flat-Panel+TVs+-+Black/3025161.p?id=1218374264958&skuId=3025161

Bill
post #8139 of 9042
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Originally Posted by stansbrand View Post

just tried these. the look better on my tv.

thanks again for reposting. biggrin.gif


What do you like better? I am currently using HD Masters "Wide Night" settings. I plan to try the "Normal" settings also.
post #8140 of 9042
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

They already have "only a couple of models." Everyone knew this was coming. It's just a matter of time before plasma display becomes a thing if the past.

"Only a couple of models" would be two models, But Panasonic still has 5 models - only one less than last year. Five is two-and-a-half couples biggrin.gif

X60
S60
ST60
VT60
ZT60

I can certainly see them further reducing their lineup in 2014 but i imagine they won't stop making Plasmas until they start making OLEDs.
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I wouldn't say it's a huge win. Samsung and Lg will both follow the same track. The future has always been led/oled. Thin and light. Great in energy. Everything is trying to go green. I wouldn't expect a tv to be any different.

true, about the going green initiatives. good points
post #8142 of 9042
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

"Only a couple of models" would be two models, But Panasonic still has 5 models - only one less than last year. Five is two-and-a-half couples biggrin.gif

X60
S60
ST60
VT60
ZT60

I can certainly see them further reducing their lineup in 2014 but i imagine they won't stop making Plasmas until they start making OLEDs.

That was my thought process.
post #8143 of 9042
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Originally Posted by deboy922 View Post

What do you like better? I am currently using HD Masters "Wide Night" settings. I plan to try the "Normal" settings also.
I tend to like D-Nice settings more then anything else.
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I tend to like D-Nice settings more then anything else.
Where can his settings be found?
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Originally Posted by iamnowsaying View Post

Where can his settings be found?

Google Dnice GT50 settings.wink.gif
post #8146 of 9042
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Originally Posted by iamnowsaying View Post

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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

I tend to like D-Nice settings more then anything else.
Where can his settings be found?
You can get D-Nice's settings here.
Edited by htwaits - 3/19/13 at 3:52pm
post #8147 of 9042
He keeps th
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Originally Posted by iamnowsaying View Post

Where can his settings be found?
they are on HDR. See post 1 about how to get em.
post #8148 of 9042
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

They are on HDR. See post 1 about how to get em.

Fixed. And I've tried a lot if settings. D-nice seems to be best by far. I'm glad I got em because I haven't tweaked anything in my tv since. Which is nice for a change.
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D nices settings were a little to dim for me.i like hdmasters normal settings best.
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Lol. Actually Im using a combination of hdmasters old settings and his new ones lol. Im using the contrast from his new ones everything else from his "normal" ones.
post #8151 of 9042
No. I use the contrast setting of 88 brightness of 55. Those are from hd's wide settings. The rest of my settings come from hd's normal settings.
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Btw there's differences between dnices settings and hd's older normal settings. Look at the pro settings and compare smile.gif
post #8153 of 9042
So my new Verizon Fios box has a Sharpness setting option. It can be set from Softer to Sharper with 5 different settings. Its default is in the middle (3). Does anyone notice if bumping this up makes any difference, and will making it sharper add artifacts like a normal sharpening tool?

I haven't messed with it cuz I am only currently using a 42'' LCD projection TV and I don't think I would even notice on this set. Just wondering for when I get my new Panasonic.
post #8154 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

BB is a great place to buy since they started price matching.

+1, I agree wholeheartedly and my experience was excellent!

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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Considering I used to work for best buy for about 7 years. Yeah. I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to "spin it in another direction." They certainly aren't there to give you a deal. As I said. Consider yourself lucky.

Sorry but I agree with Bill! I really think it boils down to the Best Buy individual store. Certain stores have more latitude/leway because they sell a lot more product. I would imagine in certain areas stores have to hold prices firmer due to profit margins and being able to keep the store open and profitable. In business, and being a business owner, every location has got to be profitable. You can't have some stores that are profitable and others that are not. That just does not work. If the nonprofitable ones cannot be made profitable, they will suffer the wrath and be closed.

The Magnolia department manager at my Best Buy was glad to work with me once he knew that I was an informed shopper. My experience with them has been nothing but stellar and I have rewarded them with additional business. Please realize that I am not trying to stir things up here. I am only giving my personal opinion. No debate. End.
post #8155 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

BB is a great place to buy since they started price matching.

+1, I agree wholeheartedly and my experience was excellent!

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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Considering I used to work for best buy for about 7 years. Yeah. I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to "spin it in another direction." They certainly aren't there to give you a deal. As I said. Consider yourself lucky.

Sorry but I agree with Bill! I really think it boils down to the Best Buy individual store. Certain stores have more latitude/leway because they sell a lot more product. I would imagine in certain areas stores have to hold prices firmer due to profit margins and being able to keep the store open and profitable. In business, and being a business owner, every location has got to be profitable. You can't have some stores that are profitable and others that are not. That just does not work. If the nonprofitable ones cannot be made profitable, they will suffer the wrath and be closed.

The Magnolia department manager at my Best Buy was glad to work with me once he knew that I was an informed shopper. My experience with them has been nothing but stellar and I have rewarded them with additional business. Please realize that I am not trying to stir things up here. I am only giving my personal opinion. No debate. End.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

He said that was easy. Sounds more like he wants the tv remote to control the cable.

Yep, that's what i wanted to find out.

When u guys use settings like dnice's do u just use them for blu-ray watching or everyday tv? I tried the dnice day setting on my 65gt50 and it looked just horrible. Overall I have to say that I am very disappointed with my purchase, the picture has absolutely no sharpness for example. The tv only looks good at night and with basically no lights on and fed with 1080p content.
I am very reluctant to put down another 400 bucks for a calibration, especially since it doesn't even have the vt's isf settings etc. I'm having a hard time telling the wifey already why we dumped so much money on that tv, she expected to be 'wowed' and so did I. Expected vibrant colors, crisp picture and somehow I feel like I got a cheap supermarket deal tv. For now I am still convinced the problem must be on my end since everybody seems to love their set.
Are there things that u would recommend I could do to improve the picture? I ran the slides the first like 80h and then watched only full screen content.
post #8158 of 9042
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Originally Posted by El Burrito View Post

Yep, that's what i wanted to find out.

When u guys use settings like dnice's do u just use them for blu-ray watching or everyday tv? I tried the dnice day setting on my 65gt50 and it looked just horrible. Overall I have to say that I am very disappointed with my purchase, the picture has absolutely no sharpness for example. The tv only looks good at night and with basically no lights on and fed with 1080p content.
I am very reluctant to put down another 400 bucks for a calibration, especially since it doesn't even have the vt's isf settings etc. I'm having a hard time telling the wifey already why we dumped so much money on that tv, she expected to be 'wowed' and so did I. Expected vibrant colors, crisp picture and somehow I feel like I got a cheap supermarket deal tv. For now I am still convinced the problem must be on my end since everybody seems to love their set.
Are there things that u would recommend I could do to improve the picture? I ran the slides the first like 80h and then watched only full screen content.
DNice settings are for all content. Have you tried HDMasters settings? I would try some other settings and see if that is any better suited to you. Dont be afraid to play with them yourself. I suspect that you are used to LCD? If you cant find some settings that satisfy you then you may want to return it and get something else.
post #8159 of 9042
A word about settings, professional calibrations, and specifically Chad B.

First off, my apologies in advance for the length of this post. I’ve owned a 65GT50 since late December of 2012, coming from a 9 year old 60 inch Sony XBR LCD that was a wonderful TV in its day, but was obviously overdue for a replacement. After some research, I pulled the trigger on the GT60, my first plasma TV. Out of the box (using THX Cinema), the improvement in picture quality and specifically black levels was nearly beyond belief. Then I became almost a daily reader of this and other forums (although AVS is my favorite). I had my Sony ISF calibrated about 5 or 6 years earlier so I already knew I’d be having my Panny done once I’d used it enough to break in the phosphors. Just regular viewing, no slides. I read a lot of very positive reviews of Chad B’s work and was happy to find out I lived within his travel range, so I set up an appointment for March 19th (yesterday).

Once the appointment was set up I began to tinker with the settings others have posted here and elsewhere. I tried the C-net settings, Black Ops, and a few others before settling on HD-Masters wide night settings (my TV is in a basement with no windows). All the settings were an improvement over the stock THX settings, but HD-Masters were the best to my eye and for my particular TV (and honestly I had a hard time imagining how much better they could get). So before I go on, kudos and thanks to you HD Master as the settings you posted are truly well done.

That said, and especially reading some of the recent postings regarding settings, I think it’s important for people to realize that even though the TV’s may be the same brand, model, and screen size, they are each unique pieces of equipment and no stock settings are ideal for everyone’s unit. An analogy might be that even identical twins have different personalities and traits that make each one a unique individual even though on the outside they look exactly alike. So, even allowing for personal preferences, there’s really no such thing as a “one size fits all” setting. HD Masters settings looked great on my TV, but there’s no substituting for having a trained professional with the right equipment take the measurements and adjust your TV for the settings that work best with your individual set.

Anyway, on to my experience with Chad B. He was prompt, an extraordinarily good guy, very professional, a hard worker, and most importantly VERY thorough with a real passion for getting everything optimized for my individual set. He took the time to explain what he was doing and why, and showed me the charts and graphs of the before and after settings changes (even though a good bit of it was over my head). He was familiar with and complimentary of the HD Master settings, and commented how they were pretty close in the gamma department, which as I understand it is the most important to get right. The farthest off they were (on my TV anyway…as I said, your mileage may vary) was in white balance, which I think I understand to be akin to painting on a non white or dirty canvas in terms of how that would affect the overall finished product.

Bottom line is, especially considering how good I thought the TV looked before; I cannot believe there could be this kind of improvement. I’m not sure it’s even possible to verbalize, but it looks sharper with brighter yet more natural looking colors and I guess more “film like” if that’s even a thing. We used “The Dark Knight” as a demo disc and even though I’ve seen the movie multiple times it looked like I was seeing it in High Def for the first time. I watched “Justified” on FX after Chad left and could not believe how good it looked.

I know most people will never have something like this done and just be happy with stock or someone else’s settings (which is fine, they can be pretty great), but to anyone on the fence or wondering if it’s worth it DO NOT hesitate, especially if you’re lucky enough to be in Chad B’s territory. As an example of how thorough he is, I also had recently purchased a new Pioneer AV receiver (the SC-68) that does some video processing, and he went through those settings and made sure they were optimized for my TV. One of the first settings there is to choose from is what kind of display you have (plasma, LCD, CRT, projector, and professional monitor). I of course chose plasma since that’s what I had. It seemed like an obvious choice which turned out completely wrong. Turns out it was causing significant color errors, and once set to PRO the results were much better. He also went through all the settings on my Oppo 103 and PS 3 and made sure they were all right, which of course they weren’t. All in all, it’s like I’ve got all new equipment again.

I know this is the GT50 forum and I’ve gone on long enough, but I also had Chad do an advanced audio calibration of my Pioneer receiver and 9.2 speaker system. He sat in the back of my room playing test tones and tweaking settings for literally about 6 hours, EQ-ing and channel leveling each speaker. Holy crap, what a difference. Like most receivers today, the Pioneer has an internal room correction system which gets you in the ballpark, but you’re in the Bob Uecker seats if you remember that commercial (the last row). It’s like an audio veil has been lifted. Everything sounds crisp and clear and I finally have the punchy bass I’ve been missing. I’ve got a bunch of movies and concert DVD’s to experience again for the first time, if you catch my meaning…
So once again, excuse the length of this post and my boyish enthusiasm. I’m also potentially sorry to future customers of Chad B since I told him a few times he’s not charging enough. Thanks HD Master for the enjoyment I got from your settings, but I always knew they were just a rental. Now I’m finally home, and it’s a great place to be. Thanks most of all to Chad B for revitalizing my entire home theater. You did some truly awesome work.
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Originally Posted by El Burrito View Post

Yep, that's what i wanted to find out.

When u guys use settings like dnice's do u just use them for blu-ray watching or everyday tv? I tried the dnice day setting on my 65gt50 and it looked just horrible. Overall I have to say that I am very disappointed with my purchase, the picture has absolutely no sharpness for example. The tv only looks good at night and with basically no lights on and fed with 1080p content.
I am very reluctant to put down another 400 bucks for a calibration, especially since it doesn't even have the vt's isf settings etc. I'm having a hard time telling the wifey already why we dumped so much money on that tv, she expected to be 'wowed' and so did I. Expected vibrant colors, crisp picture and somehow I feel like I got a cheap supermarket deal tv. For now I am still convinced the problem must be on my end since everybody seems to love their set.
Are there things that u would recommend I could do to improve the picture? I ran the slides the first like 80h and then watched only full screen content.
Sounds to me like you'd prefer led. They can have the best of both worlds. But they have their issues as well. That being said I can look over the flaws of my sharp because of its sheer size smile.gif

Once you get used to an 80inch tv. Even 65 looks insanely small to you lol.
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