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post #8251 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

A 4K TV. biggrin.gif

Somehow I already knew that smile.gif I'm not knocking the PS3 and some degree of software upgradeability is usually a plus but in my experience the hardware becomes obsolete or is no longer supported at about the same time a new technology is introduced. The PS4 will be out years ahead of mainstream 4k TV acceptance. My guess is the PS5 will hit the shelves about the same time 4k TV's become affordable to the masses.
post #8252 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Please explain how that works.

Run the HDMI from the source directly to the TV to provide video. Run a separate cable from the sources audio-out to the receiver to provide audio. The audio will probably be optical or digital coax. Some components have a second HDMI output that cane be used for audio. If your receiver has limited number of optical or coax inputs you may need a cheap hub or you may already have more than you need.

This is nothing new. This is how a receiver without HDMI is connected.
post #8253 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Run the HDMI from the source directly to the TV to provide video. Run a separate cable from the sources audio-out to the receiver to provide audio. The audio will probably be optical or digital coax. Some components have a second HDMI output that cane be used for audio. If your receiver has limited number of optical or coax inputs you may need a cheap hub or you may already have more than you need.

This is nothing new. This is how a receiver without HDMI is connected.
I have never seen a component with 2 HDMI outs other than an avr and I doubt you could assign audio to one and video to the other. I suppose some sort of cheap hub could work. Can you suggest what kind? Other than that you have only repeated what I already posted. Did you read it before you disagreed? If there is anything specific in my original post that is wrong please let me know.
post #8254 of 9713
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Originally Posted by El Burrito View Post

Ok I watched a couple of things on amazon prime via the tv directly as well as the ps3 through the receiver and have to say that the picture seemed much sharper when using just the tv. I don't really know if I should consider this bad or good news. It's late here now but tomorrow I will hook up everything with the tv directly as suggested and see if the receiver is the problem. This would be a step forward but two backwards at the same time... Firstly I would be shocked if the receiver actually reduced picture quality even if set to direct mode and secondly the setup of having all the signals going in the receiver and then to the tv makes switching between devices way more convenient.
Let's say I were to hook up the PS3 with the tv, would the tv be able to get the sound to the receiver at the same quality as it would be when hooked up directly? I think I read somewhere once that the tv won't put a lossless 5.1+ (In my case 7.2) through the ARC to the receiver unless using an optical cable.
Again, still hoping that it is not the receiver since I am way beyond the 30-day return period and otherwise absolutely love it. But if 50 percent of what it should do is mediocre and makes all the hdmi inputs useless...

I watched some content on Netflix as well and imho it's better on the tv too, but I didnt compare the same content as I did with amazon yet.

Ps: Thanks stuckin96 for checking your settings for me, gonna put them in tomorrow too.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Digital optical will support up to DD5.1 but not 5.1+. I doubt you will notice the difference. DD 5.1+ is not lossless. Only DD HD Master Audio and Dolby True HD are lossless.
So if you hook the PS3 directly to the tv the biggest sacrifice would be when playing a game or watching a bluray that is lossless and/or 7.1. The digital optical will downconvert it to DD 2.0 because the tv will not support anything above that from an external HDMI source. That will, of course, be quite noticeable.
ARC is through HDMI and is a different thing than using the digital optical port. So there is no such thing as ARC through an optical cable.

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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post


There is no need to "sacrifice" anything. Just run the audio directly to the receiver and the video directly to the TV. Maximum quality is maintained for both audio and video. Maybe an extra button push to select the video input on the TV is the only difference. In the great haste to switch everything to HDMI, many people have forgotten the beautiful simplicity of a separate audio connection.
post #8255 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have never seen a component with 2 HDMI outs other than an avr and I doubt you could assign audio to one and video to the other.

My Oppo 103 has two HDMI outputs with the option of using one HDMI output for audio (non 3-D AVR/prepro) and the other HDMI output for video to the display. As far as I know there are other Bluray players that have two HDMI outputs as well.

Bill
post #8256 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

My Oppo 103 has two HDMI outputs with the option of using one HDMI output for audio (non 3-D AVR/prepro) and the other HDMI output for video to the display. As far as I know there are other Bluray players that have two HDMI outputs as well.

Bill
Nice. That is rare but I know a PS3 doesnt.
post #8257 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

My Oppo 103 has two HDMI outputs with the option of using one HDMI output for audio (non 3-D AVR/prepro) and the other HDMI output for video to the display. As far as I know there are other Bluray players that have two HDMI outputs as well.

Bill
Nice. That is rare but I know a PS3 doesnt.

My Panasonic BDT310 has 2 hdmi too.
post #8258 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post


There is no need to "sacrifice" anything. Just run the audio directly to the receiver and the video directly to the TV. Maximum quality is maintained for both audio and video. Maybe an extra button push to select the video input on the TV is the only difference. In the great haste to switch everything to HDMI, many people have forgotten the beautiful simplicity of a separate audio connection.
I reread my post and I see the point you are making. I did leave out the option of running the optical cable direct to avr. So that is a good point. But you are wrong that there is no "sacrifice" because that doesnt change the fact that neither digital optical or digital coax will support lossless formats.
post #8259 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

My Panasonic BDT310 has 2 hdmi too.
2 HDMI Out? Is it a new model. Maybe newer ones are going in that direction.
post #8260 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

My Panasonic BDT310 has 2 hdmi too.
2 HDMI Out? Is it a new model. Maybe newer ones are going in that direction.

2011. Manufacturers have been offering it on at least one model, for those with avrs that won't pass 3D.
post #8261 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Nice. That is rare but I know a PS3 doesnt.

My panasonic blue ray also has two HDMI outputs. Didn't know it was such a rare feature wink.gif
post #8262 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

2011. Manufacturers have been offering it on at least one model, for those with avrs that won't pass 3D.
Makes sense. I have an LG BD670 that is a high end 3d 2011 model and it only has 1 HDMI. It may even be a 2012 Im not sure.
post #8263 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I reread my post and I see the point you are making. I did leave out the option of running the optical cable direct to avr. So that is a good point. But you are wrong that there is no "sacrifice" because that doesnt change the fact that neither digital optical or digital coax will support lossless formats.

You are correct about the uncompressed HD formats. They are too fat to fit in a toslink cable. I often don't think about the HD audio formats because I am happy in the 5.1 DTS world smile.gif I have had DTS-ES and THX-EX capability for a decade but never thought it worth the time to wire in 2 extra rear surround channels.

I think you figured out what I was saying. This is how I get around the DD and DTS limitations with the optical out on the GT.
post #8264 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

2011. Manufacturers have been offering it on at least one model, for those with avrs that won't pass 3D.
Makes sense. I have an LG BD670 that is a high end 3d 2011 model and it only has 1 HDMI. It may even be a 2012 Im not sure.

I have that one too. I don't know that LG ever offered dual hdmi.
post #8265 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

2 HDMI Out? Is it a new model. Maybe newer ones are going in that direction.

The OPPO 93/95 were two of the first if not the first BD players to have two HDMI outs (assignable audio/video). That was back in late 2009. Panasonic followed in 2010. Definitely a nice option for challenging or multi display configurations.
post #8266 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post


There is no need to "sacrifice" anything. Just run the audio directly to the receiver and the video directly to the TV. Maximum quality is maintained for both audio and video. Maybe an extra button push to select the video input on the TV is the only difference. In the great haste to switch everything to HDMI, many people have forgotten the beautiful simplicity of a separate audio connection.
Bingo!
post #8267 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Run the HDMI from the source directly to the TV to provide video. Run a separate cable from the sources audio-out to the receiver to provide audio. The audio will probably be optical or digital coax. Some components have a second HDMI output that cane be used for audio. If your receiver has limited number of optical or coax inputs you may need a cheap hub or you may already have more than you need.

This is nothing new. This is how a receiver without HDMI is connected.
I have never seen a component with 2 HDMI outs other than an avr and I doubt you could assign audio to one and video to the other. I suppose some sort of cheap hub could work. Can you suggest what kind? Other than that you have only repeated what I already posted. Did you read it before you disagreed? If there is anything specific in my original post that is wrong please let me know.
Sony, Panasonic, and OPPO have Blu-ray players with two HDMI outputs. Many owners use one for video and the other for audio. The main use is for owners who want 3D, but can't rout it through their AVR.

Tpollagi, you are certainly right that your wiring method has been around for a long time. The only problem with it is that you can't use the lossless sound tracks from Blu-ray disks if you don't have an HDMI connection from the source to the AVR. That connection can either do audio/video or audio only if you have one of the Blu-ray players I listed.

EDIT: Now that I've caught up on my reading I see that you don't care that much about lossless audio. eek.gif

I would invite you over to hear some movie sound tracks (including the movie) but I don't know where you might be hunting trolls at the moment. wink.gif
Edited by htwaits - 3/22/13 at 10:59pm
post #8268 of 9713
Yeah, Lossless audio was a better improvement than the picture quality for me when I went to Bd.
post #8269 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

... EDIT: Now that I've caught up on my reading I see that you don't care that much about lossless audio. ... wink.gif

Given an option between lossless and lossy OBVIOUSLY lossless is the way to go. If I were setting up a dedicated home theater that I had more control over speaker placement and room accoustics, lossless would be the only option. In my world where the TV is a secondary feature within the great room of an open floor plan, lossless audio on a movie once or twice a month doesn't even make the list of priorities.

Most of the reading I have done indicates the improvement in SQ when you move from DTS to DTS-MA is marginal at best and not differentiable by many under average situations when you are not listening to reference quality audio from reference quality hardware in a calibrated environment. From those who head a difference, they even thought the main reason was in moving from an old, lower quality, DD/DTS receiver to a high end unit. Those who already had a high end receiver could hear subtle differences when the title was mastered with better than average audio. This is the general impression I was left with after reading through dozens of forums, magazines, and web sites. I remember the night and day difference I heard when I moved from a mid-grade Kenwood receiver to my current Elite. None of the audio sources changed; 100% of the improvement was from a high quality amp and cleaner processing by the Burr Brown DAC's.

Dont misunderstand, I'm not bashing MA-HD or TrueHD. I love new technologies and I applaud the BlueRay world for giving us the option of higher quality audio / video. It saddens me when I see young people listening to "high quality" mp3's at 64 kb/s that have been lossy-compressed by 95%. Oh we'll, I guess ignorance truely is bliss. Maybe thats why I'm still happy with the DTS core, but now you've got me think'n smile.gif. frown.gif. no smile.gif
post #8270 of 9713
Back in January I bought a 60GT50 after a lot of back and forth with respect to which set I should get. I can't say how pleased I am. I ran the color slides for about 80 of the first 100 hours. I have little kids who watch a lot of stuff with static logos. I have the 4:3 content (which thank God is less and less as time goes on!) stretched, but my wife and kids don't care and I never watch anything but HD content. No issues with image retention or burn in. Picture quality is astounding. I basically use THX cinema 98% of the time. Sometimes I'll switch to TXH Bright Room. I just couldn't be happier. I feel bad for all those LCD/LED folks who think they know what the color black looks like.

To those wondering about the downsides of plasma, fear not. I think the IR/Burn In threads for Panny Plasmas are representative of a very small number of all owners. One time after my kids watched a show, I switched to an all grey screen and saw, after REALLY trying hard, very, very slight IR for the channel logo. I ran the color slides for a few minutes. It went away. This must happen all the time, but I never notice it and it goes away quickly. So yes, if you look hard enough, on an all-grey screen, right after watching something with static images, you will probably see some IR. But it goes away quickly. And if you don't look for it, you will NOT see it. It's 100% a non-issue and I'm a fairly picky person in this respect--I was real nervous about this before I bought the set. Lastly, although the set is in room with two big windows and three lamps, glare is also a non factor. When watching the news, some glare is acceptable. When watching a movie, I turn the lights off. But the glare is completely tolerable. Anyway, if you're thinking of getting a Panny Plasma, just do it and don't worry about the scary threads on here! The 60GT50 is AMAZING.
post #8271 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have never seen a component with 2 HDMI outs other than an avr and I doubt you could assign audio to one and video to the other. I suppose some sort of cheap hub could work. Can you suggest what kind? Other than that you have only repeated what I already posted. Did you read it before you disagreed? If there is anything specific in my original post that is wrong please let me know.

Sony BDP-S790.

Dual outputs configurable for parallel output or video on one output and audio on other output.
post #8272 of 9713
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Originally Posted by xwilliam View Post

Back in January I bought a 60GT50 after a lot of back and forth with respect to which set I should get. I can't say how pleased I am. I ran the color slides for about 80 of the first 100 hours. I have little kids who watch a lot of stuff with static logos. I have the 4:3 content (which thank God is less and less as time goes on!) stretched, but my wife and kids don't care and I never watch anything but HD content. No issues with image retention or burn in. Picture quality is astounding. I basically use THX cinema 98% of the time. Sometimes I'll switch to TXH Bright Room. I just couldn't be happier. I feel bad for all those LCD/LED folks who think they know what the color black looks like.

To those wondering about the downsides of plasma, fear not. I think the IR/Burn In threads for Panny Plasmas are representative of a very small number of all owners. One time after my kids watched a show, I switched to an all grey screen and saw, after REALLY trying hard, very, very slight IR for the channel logo. I ran the color slides for a few minutes. It went away. This must happen all the time, but I never notice it and it goes away quickly. So yes, if you look hard enough, on an all-grey screen, right after watching something with static images, you will probably see some IR. But it goes away quickly. And if you don't look for it, you will NOT see it. It's 100% a non-issue and I'm a fairly picky person in this respect--I was real nervous about this before I bought the set. Lastly, although the set is in room with two big windows and three lamps, glare is also a non factor. When watching the news, some glare is acceptable. When watching a movie, I turn the lights off. But the glare is completely tolerable. Anyway, if you're thinking of getting a Panny Plasma, just do it and don't worry about the scary threads on here! The 60GT50 is AMAZING.

Welcome to the club Xwilliam, happy you are enjoying your set like the rest of us.wink.gif
post #8273 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

... EDIT: Now that I've caught up on my reading I see that you don't care that much about lossless audio. ... wink.gif
Maybe thats why I'm still happy with the DTS core, but now you've got me think'n smile.gif. frown.gif. no smile.gif
There is no way that I would disagree with any point you made in this post. I agree with it completely. The only thing that I noticed was that you seemed to imply, in an earlier post, that not having lossless audio was no loss.

By the way, our Kuro is in our small living room which is open in one direction. It's a "soft" room with fairly good autistics. We have a good Denon AVR (3312 with MultEQ XT) and our front speakers, including a sub ran a little over $400 each. Because of space problems we put the surrounds in the ceiling. The difference for us, at least in my mind, is the shopping advice and audio calibration that UMR (Jeff Meier) did for us. I've never tried to AB lossless versus lossy, but the difference between me, using Audyssey, and UMR's audio calibration are like night and day. I don't know if I can detect a lossless track in a double blind test, but I can sure tell the difference between my audio calibration and one done by UMR. eek.gif

Enjoy. smile.gif
post #8274 of 9713
Hey guys,

Amazing knowledge on this site/thread. I've really learned a lot from you all. I've had my Panasonic 60GT50 for nearly a year now and love it. I've adjusted settings to HD Master's suggestions and have noticed a great change in picture quality (for the better), as if the picture on this TV could get any better!

Anyway, one setting I am struggling with and maybe just don't have the knowledge for is the 1080p pure direct setting. It is the one setting I cannot enable, as it is greyed out. I use direct TV as my receiver for TV. I have the new Genie DVR Box

One thing I will say is that in order for my TV to detect a 3D signal when watching 3D content on DirectTV, is I had to run an HDMI cable from the TV to the DirecTV box, rather than go through my Yamaha receiver like all my other components. Once doing this my TV was able to pickup the 3D signal from the Direct TV box

So I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the TV to not being able to detect an 1080p signal which is why I can't enable that setting? Is it possibly the cable I am using?

Kinda lost with this and am just looking for some input. I appreciate the help guys!
post #8275 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Mitch25 View Post

Hey guys,

Amazing knowledge on this site/thread. I've really learned a lot from you all. I've had my Panasonic 60GT50 for nearly a year now and love it. I've adjusted settings to HD Master's suggestions and have noticed a great change in picture quality (for the better), as if the picture on this TV could get any better!

Anyway, one setting I am struggling with and maybe just don't have the knowledge for is the 1080p pure direct setting. It is the one setting I cannot enable, as it is greyed out. I use direct TV as my receiver for TV. I have the new Genie DVR Box

One thing I will say is that in order for my TV to detect a 3D signal when watching 3D content on DirectTV, is I had to run an HDMI cable from the TV to the DirecTV box, rather than go through my Yamaha receiver like all my other components. Once doing this my TV was able to pickup the 3D signal from the Direct TV box

So I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the TV to not being able to detect an 1080p signal which is why I can't enable that setting? Is it possibly the cable I am using?

Kinda lost with this and am just looking for some input. I appreciate the help guys!

That 1080P pure direct setting is only for 4:4:4 content from a 24p source such as a bluray.
post #8276 of 9713
Thanks Chunon. I guess I should've known that. Had a misunderstanding that all content on Directv was 1080p, when it is really just there PPV/Cinema content. Thanks for clarifying.
post #8277 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

There's a place for reviewing packing and delivery. If you need help finding it I'll take a look. It does matter.

thanks, I will take a look sheshechic. If it can prevent less trucking company's and employees from transporting these tv's improperly I'm all for it.
post #8278 of 9713
Here is a 3d demo file to download if anyone is interested in showing off a quick demo to friends and family. The resolution is ok and it has great popout effects. You would have to put it on a USB stick or SD card to play via those connections.

You must play the file and select 3d mode on the remote. Then press the red button to select manual settings- side by side 3D. It looks pretty good on my GT50.

https://www.box.com/s/8kbgvqce4ffqi8icu96g
post #8279 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Given an option between lossless and lossy OBVIOUSLY lossless is the way to go. If I were setting up a dedicated home theater that I had more control over speaker placement and room accoustics, lossless would be the only option. In my world where the TV is a secondary feature within the great room of an open floor plan, lossless audio on a movie once or twice a month doesn't even make the list of priorities.

Most of the reading I have done indicates the improvement in SQ when you move from DTS to DTS-MA is marginal at best and not differentiable by many under average situations when you are not listening to reference quality audio from reference quality hardware in a calibrated environment. From those who head a difference, they even thought the main reason was in moving from an old, lower quality, DD/DTS receiver to a high end unit. Those who already had a high end receiver could hear subtle differences when the title was mastered with better than average audio. This is the general impression I was left with after reading through dozens of forums, magazines, and web sites. I remember the night and day difference I heard when I moved from a mid-grade Kenwood receiver to my current Elite. None of the audio sources changed; 100% of the improvement was from a high quality amp and cleaner processing by the Burr Brown DAC's.

Dont misunderstand, I'm not bashing MA-HD or TrueHD. I love new technologies and I applaud the BlueRay world for giving us the option of higher quality audio / video. It saddens me when I see young people listening to "high quality" mp3's at 64 kb/s that have been lossy-compressed by 95%. Oh we'll, I guess ignorance truely is bliss. Maybe thats why I'm still happy with the DTS core, but now you've got me think'n smile.gif. frown.gif. no smile.gif

I can certainly take your point, the audio improvements do require a certain type of equipment to yield the upgrade, but it doesn't take much. I certainly don't think it takes reference. I had an old(11 years old) HK receiver and low end Klipsh speakers with CHEAP JBL center and surrounds, I ran tests with a VERY skeptical frame of mind. My jaw dropped. I have yet to have someone not THOROUGHLY impressed when they listen to my system between DTS and DTS-HD. We are talking Bose yahoos too who don't know a thing. I just tell them I will do an A/B test, not what is happening.

If I had the option to have either BD quality video or audio, I would take audio every time. smile.gif

Different stokes for different folks, nothing wrong with that.
post #8280 of 9713
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

That 1080P pure direct setting is only for 4:4:4 content from a 24p source such as a bluray.

or HTPC, set correctly
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