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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post


Nice cabinet. Where's your center speaker?
post #8582 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

With the new low cabinets trend I rarely saw the tweeters lined up and often not at ear level either.

Always has to be some compromise. For me, it was more important that I was looking at the middle of my 60" while seated on the couch. This also ensured that I could upgrade to a 65 and beyond and still feel I was looking across, rather than up at the TV. So that pretty much locked me into having a low positioned center speaker.

I designed my table and picked my speakers with that in mind though.


I have the center speaker slightly angled upwards, but its still lower than I'd like. Fortunately the KEFs are very good at not sounding like its firing at my knees.
I used to have my old 50" on a much taller cabinet which made me look up and I don't miss that at all. I much prefer this compromise.
post #8583 of 9713
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Nice. Have you posted your setup any where on AVS?
Not yet, but I was mostly interested in the "negotiation". wink.gif

Yeah, you're a smart negotiator. Good negotiations result in both parties being pleased. wink.gif

But you did make me curious, your setup sounds awesome.
I'll see what I can do.
post #8584 of 9713
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That's some amazing picture quality you've got there. The amount of detail is unheard of.

Yep the slides did have a lot of detail... I guess I just assumed everyone posting here already knew how good the detail on the TV was. I'm sorta proud of it myself! Perhaps it escapes you? wink.gif
Edited by SFabozzi - 4/6/13 at 3:53am
post #8585 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Nice cabinet. Where's your center speaker?

Behind the cabinet, mounted on a speaker stand I built which angles it upwards 45 degrees and hides it. Cabinet simply isn't made to have speakers.
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How far back do you sit from your TV?
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How far back do you sit from your TV?

About 7 feet.
post #8588 of 9713
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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

Behind the cabinet, mounted on a speaker stand I built which angles it upwards 45 degrees and hides it. Cabinet simply isn't made to have speakers.
If that works for you thats great. Doesnt sound ideal though. Did you consider mounting it to the wall or a wall shelf above the tv or getting a tall enough speaker stand.
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Edited by SFabozzi - 4/6/13 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If that works for you thats great. Doesnt sound ideal though. Did you consider mounting it to the wall or a wall shelf above the tv or getting a tall enough speaker stand.

It seems to work fine in that room due to the unexpectedly good acoustics of the design, vaulted and angled high ceilings. Hey, everything is a compromise. It won't please some audiophiles, but it will please most who are HGTV watchers. And it really does sound excellent. Is it perfect? Probably not. But I'm not a fan of blowing holes in the walls especially knowing I'll be selling the NY house within the next few years to move permanently to Florida. biggrin.gif
Edited by SFabozzi - 4/6/13 at 4:44am
post #8591 of 9713
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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

It seems to work fine in that room due to the unexpectedly good acoustics of the design, vaulted and angled high ceilings. Hey, everything is a compromise. It won't please some audiophiles, but it will please most who are HGTV watchers. And it really does sound excellent. Is it perfect? Probably not. But I'm not a fan of blowing holes in the walls especially knowing I'll be selling the NY house within the next few years to move permanently to Florida. biggrin.gif
Very well. I just thought Id throw the idea out there. smile.gif
post #8592 of 9713
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Always has to be some compromise. For me, it was more important that I was looking at the middle of my 60" while seated on the couch. This also ensured that I could upgrade to a 65 and beyond and still feel I was looking across, rather than up at the TV. So that pretty much locked me into having a low positioned center speaker.


I designed my table and picked my speakers with that in mind though.


I have the center speaker slightly angled upwards, but its still lower than I'd like. Fortunately the KEFs are very good at not sounding like its firing at my knees.
I used to have my old 50" on a much taller cabinet which made me look up and I don't miss that at all. I much prefer this compromise.

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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post


If either of you are looking for a small project, these set-ups are both asking for wall mounts smile.gif A minimalistic "floating" style gear stand would hold your AV boxes and a little wire management would clean-up everything. Take those big benches out of the picture. Better yet would be to move the AV boxes somewhere else entirely and run a long HDMI cable to the TV from wherever they are.

I won't suggests replacing the speakers with a much smaller sub-satellite system because some people get emotionally attached to there speakers like they do their children. So, I won't suggest that. I'm thinking it, but I'm not suggest'n it wink.gif
post #8593 of 9713
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post


If either of you are looking for a small project, these set-ups are both asking for wall mounts smile.gif A minimalistic "floating" style gear stand would hold your AV boxes and a little wire management would clean-up everything. Take those big benches out of the picture. Better yet would be to move the AV boxes somewhere else entirely and run a long HDMI cable to the TV from wherever they are.

I won't suggests replacing the speakers with a much smaller sub-satellite system because some people get emotionally attached to there speakers like they do their children. So, I won't suggest that. I'm thinking it, but I'm not suggest'n it wink.gif

I hear you. And it is good advice. Wish I could find something as you described that's also esthetically pleasing. My set up in my Florida home is somewhat as you described. There I make my life really easy with the Klipsch G-42 Soundbar and sub, all neatly wire managed and out of site. I'm planning on replacing the 47" Samsung LED with a 55" ST60 and that should all come together nicely.

But as you've said, I'm going to wait to burn up my (NY) Polks first. Trying to sell the wife on new speakers is a tuff sell. tongue.gif
Edited by SFabozzi - 4/6/13 at 8:53am
post #8594 of 9713
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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

About 7 feet.
So a 60" TV at 7 feet isn't right in your face?
post #8595 of 9713
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If either of you are looking for a small project

I'm not thanks.
post #8596 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Jammers10 View Post

So a 60" TV at 7 feet isn't right in your face?

Maybe its more then that, but nope, it isn't.
post #8597 of 9713
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I'm not thanks.

I kinda like the way mine looks too! cool.gif
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Always has to be some compromise. For me, it was more important that I was looking at the middle of my 60" while seated on the couch. This also ensured that I could upgrade to a 65 and beyond and still feel I was looking across, rather than up at the TV. So that pretty much locked me into having a low positioned center speaker.
That's a nice mirror ya got there! JK
I designed my table and picked my speakers with that in mind though.


I have the center speaker slightly angled upwards, but its still lower than I'd like. Fortunately the KEFs are very good at not sounding like its firing at my knees.
I used to have my old 50" on a much taller cabinet which made me look up and I don't miss that at all. I much prefer this compromise.
post #8599 of 9713
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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Nice cabinet. Where's your center speaker?

Behind the cabinet, mounted on a speaker stand I built which angles it upwards 45 degrees and hides it. Cabinet simply isn't made to have speakers.

Slick! wink.gif
post #8600 of 9713
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

With the new low cabinets trend I rarely saw the tweeters lined up and often not at ear level either.

Always has to be some compromise. For me, it was more important that I was looking at the middle of my 60" while seated on the couch. This also ensured that I could upgrade to a 65 and beyond and still feel I was looking across, rather than up at the TV. So that pretty much locked me into having a low positioned center speaker.

I designed my table and picked my speakers with that in mind though.


I have the center speaker slightly angled upwards, but its still lower than I'd like. Fortunately the KEFs are very good at not sounding like its firing at my knees.
I used to have my old 50" on a much taller cabinet which made me look up and I don't miss that at all. I much prefer this compromise.

How tall is that cabinet? Do you usually watch in a reclined position? Hubby and I both have problems with low furniture. It's not that we're tall or anything. It's not that we don't appreciate the look in other people's homes either. Maybe a little too contemporary and/or that it leans toward minimalism that we find hard to live with. I dunno, but I am trying very hard to keep any new cabinets we build below 25". The finishing touches are going onto one for our living room for the 42G25.

BTW, I think your setup would look awesome with both mounted on the wall. That would bring your tweeters in line too.
post #8601 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How tall is that cabinet? Do you usually watch in a reclined position?

Just under 18". No, I don't watch in a reclined position but I guess it would be accurate to say that I like to slump a bit biggrin.gif. I'm not tall either.
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BTW, I think your setup would look awesome with both mounted on the wall. That would bring your tweeters in line too.

I cannot stress enough how much enjoyment I get from having the center of the screen at head-height. It is something immediate and tangible. There are probably at least one hundred talking heads I see in an average evening of viewing who have an eyeline that meets with mine.
Having the center speaker at ear-level is a less tangible reward and more difficult to quantifiy. I value my audio very highly, but I value the 'V' in 'AV' much much more.

The only way to have a speaker at ear level and the display center at eye-level is to have a speaker behind an acoustically transparent projector screen. In the absence of that type of setup, something has to give.
I can't tell you what works for you, but I'd encourage you to ask yourself what is most important to you? If you notice a big seperation and dip in the sound field with a speaker that is off axis (ear level), then obviously its going to have to factor into your decision making.
post #8602 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How tall is that cabinet? Do you usually watch in a reclined position?

Just under 18". No, I don't watch in a reclined position but I guess it would be accurate to say that I like to slump a bit biggrin.gif. I'm not tall either.
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BTW, I think your setup would look awesome with both mounted on the wall. That would bring your tweeters in line too.

I cannot stress enough how much enjoyment I get from having the center of the screen at head-height. It is something immediate and tangible. There are probably at least one hundred talking heads I see in an average evening of viewing who have an eyeline that meets with mine.
Having the center speaker at ear-level is a less tangible reward and more difficult to quantifiy. I value my audio very highly, but I value the 'V' in 'AV' much much more.

The only way to have a speaker at ear level and the display center at eye-level is to have a speaker behind an acoustically transparent projector screen. In the absence of that type of setup, something has to give.
I can't tell you what works for you, but I'd encourage you to ask yourself what is most important to you? If you notice a big seperation and dip in the sound field with a speaker that is off axis (ear level), then obviously its going to have to factor into your decision making.

Tweeter's lining up isn't the first priority for me either. My comment regarding mounting both on the wall wasn't meant as a criticism. I probably should have added a winkie after my tweeter comment.
post #8603 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

My comment regarding mounting both on the wall wasn't meant as a criticism. I probably should have added a winkie after my tweeter comment.

No problem, I didn't take that as a criticism. Just wanted to make a point that (for me), raising the TV, either by wall mount or taller stand, would have a negative result.

Speaking of people and their strange ways, my friend has a 65" ST50 mounted high above a fireplace. I picked the mount out for him and got one that could do a 15 degree tilt (most seem to only give 10 degrees max).
So on the day we install it and tilt it downwards, he tells me that he doesn't want to tilt the TV because of an OCD desire to have everything asthetically straight and parallel and that the tilt would bother him. I explained to him that this was going to have some fairly major drawbacks... He was unmoved.
So that afternoon, we sat down and watched a movie and starred up at the wall. The reflections from the windows were significantly worse than when the TV was angled down and people on screen looked like coneheads... He couldn't be happier.
post #8604 of 9713
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

My comment regarding mounting both on the wall wasn't meant as a criticism. I probably should have added a winkie after my tweeter comment.

No problem, I didn't take that as a criticism. Just wanted to make a point that (for me), raising the TV, either by wall mount or taller stand, would have a negative result.

Speaking of people and their strange ways, my friend has a 65" ST50 mounted high above a fireplace. I picked the mount out for him and got one that could do a 15 degree tilt (most seem to only give 10 degrees max).
So on the day we install it and tilt it downwards, he tells me that he doesn't want to tilt the TV because of an OCD desire to have everything asthetically straight and parallel and that the tilt would bother him. I explained to him that this was going to have some fairly major drawbacks... He was unmoved.
So that afternoon, we sat down and watched a movie and starred up at the wall. The reflections from the windows were significantly worse than when the TV was angled down and people on screen looked like coneheads... He couldn't be happier.

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I was just thinking about how what we lived with while growing up influences us in our choices. And then you post this story, which delves even deeper than my thoughts. I was also considering how looking slightly up reduces the development of a double chin, while looking slightly down for prolonged periods increases it. Surely people who love recliners must prefer their tvs positioned higher? And then there is the bifocal effect on head positions. lol
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I was also considering how looking slightly up reduces the development of a double chin, while looking slightly down for prolonged periods increases it.

Oh no don't start. I already calibrate my video with a colorimeter and my audio with Audyssey and mic. I don't want to have to add calibrating my neck to the list. tongue.gif
post #8606 of 9713
Well since we are doing some show and tell here are some of my pics biggrin.gif









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Well since we are doing some show and tell here are some of my pics biggrin.gif


Nice set up!

Edited by SFabozzi - 4/7/13 at 6:33am
post #8608 of 9713
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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

Behind the cabinet, mounted on a speaker stand I built which angles it upwards 45 degrees and hides it. Cabinet simply isn't made to have speakers.

I understand your dilemma as I have been searching for a quality cabinet that really fits the bill. I just don't see that set-up working well...I'll state below.

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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

It seems to work fine in that room due to the unexpectedly good acoustics of the design, vaulted and angled high ceilings. Hey, everything is a compromise. It won't please some audiophiles, but it will please most who are HGTV watchers. And it really does sound excellent. Is it perfect? Probably not. But I'm not a fan of blowing holes in the walls especially knowing I'll be selling the NY house within the next few years to move permanently to Florida. biggrin.gif

Yes, audiophiles always seem to blow things out of proportion (I have been there). That being said I do see several problems with your set-up that you may not realize. If you are using room correction to compensate for your cc speaker being located behind the cabinet then you may be putting to much stress on the amp powering the cc in your AVR. Please realize that I am not trying to criticize you but rather tying to help so that you do not blow your amp. If your amp is class D then that is a different subject. Just test, moving the cc out in front of the cabinet on your stand to see if sound clarity changes. From the way you have it set now it should be DRAMATIC.

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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

I won't suggests replacing the speakers with a much smaller sub-satellite system because some people get emotionally attached to there speakers like they do their children. So, I won't suggest that. I'm thinking it, but I'm not suggest'n it wink.gif

Lol. Yep, that's me.... but I am ready to let the children go off to hopefully a new life elsewhere. The new, high end sat speaker systems often blow away traditional older speakers. 2 systems I have done a lot of research on are the Paradigm milleniaone's and the Cambridge Audio Minx S325 set-ups. There are a few others but I will be getting either of these and probably the Paradigms as they will be replacing medium box Paradigms (phantoms). Both aforementioned set-up's blow my phantom set-up away....I have demoed both. I find as I am getting older that I want things less cluttered looking, but I still will not compromise quality.

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Originally Posted by SFabozzi View Post

I hear you. And it is good advice. Wish I could find something as you described that's also esthetically pleasing. My set up in my Florida home is somewhat as you described. There I make my life really easy with the Klipsch G-42 Soundbar and sub, all neatly wire managed and out of site. I'm planning on replacing the 47" Samsung LED with a 55" ST60 and that should all come together nicely.

But as you've said, I'm going to wait to burn up my (NY) Polks first. Trying to sell the wife on new speakers is a tuff sell. tongue.gif

See above....it's a good starting point, excellent sound and build quality and aesthetically appealing.
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Well since we are doing some show and tell here are some of my pics biggrin.gif










Very Nice! Compliments.
post #8609 of 9713
Ok, I asked before but in case anyone missed it I'll ask again. Is anyone using the Viera remote2 app? I am trying to use the swipe & share portion with no luck. Any help is always appreciated wink.gif
post #8610 of 9713
Ok, I asked before but in case anyone missed it I'll ask again. Is anyone using the Viera remote2 app? I am trying to use the swipe & share portion with no luck. Any help is always appreciated wink.gif
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