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post #8761 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

There's not any issue with 1080p content and motion on this TV. I have been really putting it through the paces with heavy special effects, intense fighting, the NBA and I haven't even made it blink. THX Bright setting is heavy on black, so I would adjust that. Note that I am still breaking it in, so we'll see if that changes.
So has there been any complaints or disadvantages to not have as many calibration settings available on this TV? Will it effect the picture and colors to a noticeable level compared to a TV that has all the ICFF settings and 10pt white balance, etc.?
post #8762 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

There's not any issue with 1080p content and motion on this TV. I have been really putting it through the paces with heavy special effects, intense fighting, the NBA and I haven't even made it blink. THX Bright setting is heavy on black, so I would adjust that. Note that I am still breaking it in, so we'll see if that changes.

It's there, it's just not deal breaking bad.
post #8763 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Your internet service provider has to support it as well. They need to be signed up through Netflix. They also offer 3d videos.

I have Time Warner and they do not offer it yet.

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Originally Posted by highwire View Post

If you aren't seeing it at all, it probably indicates that your ISP is not a member of Netflix's Open Connect CDN.

In terms of the difference between "1080 HD" and "1080 Super HD", I see a lot of skeptics here that say it makes no difference. I disagree. For me, "1080 Super HD" has fewer compression artifacts, particularly in scenes with a lot of detail and motion.

I'm also disappointed that the xxGT50, being a 3D-capable TV, does not support 3D in the built-in Netflix app either.

Thank you both for all the info. This explains why I don't see this option. I have Comcast.
post #8764 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So Best Buy is swapping out my Samsung pn60e7000 for a Panasonic 60GT50. Will be recieving it next week. Anyone go from the Sammy to this TV and if yes, any major differences you noticed?

For the past several months my local BB (in El Segundo) has a viewing room in the MHT section that has a 50GT50 and a 51PNE7000 a few feet away (as well as a Sony 46HX850). I've been in there a number of times since around June of last year and every time i go in there and compare them the PNE7000 is considerably crisper than the GT50. A few times i was able to get the remote for the GT50 (but not the Sammy) and i spent a lot time adjusting it (Custom mode and THX) but no matter what settings i tried the Sammy out-crisps the GT50 big time. And i have no idea what mode the Sammy is in since they don't have the remote available. The GT50 has better contrast, but the room is not very dark so the black levels look similar on the two TVs. I was in there again last weekend (i duck in there while the wife is in Whole Foods next door) to see if they had an F8500 yet (they don't) and again i checked that room and both TVs are still in that room. The difference is profound and i much much prefer the crispness of the PNE7000 and it makes the GT50 look really soft in comparison. The HX850 was crisp like the Sammy, but had relatively lousy black levels.
post #8765 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

For the past several months my local BB (in El Segundo) has a viewing room in the MHT section that has a 50GT50 and a 51PNE7000 a few feet away (as well as a Sony 46HX850). I've been in there a number of times since around June of last year and every time i go in there and compare them the PNE7000 is considerably crisper than the GT50. A few times i was able to get the remote for the GT50 (but not the Sammy) and i spent a lot time adjusting it (Custom mode and THX) but no matter what settings i tried the Sammy out-crisps the GT50 big time. And i have no idea what mode the Sammy is in since they don't have the remote available. The GT50 has better contrast, but the room is not very dark so the black levels look similar on the two TVs. I was in there again last weekend (i duck in there while the wife is in Whole Foods next door) to see if they had an F8500 yet (they don't) and again i checked that room and both TVs are still in that room. The difference is profound and i much much prefer the crispness of the PNE7000 and it makes the GT50 look really soft in comparison. The HX850 was crisp like the Sammy, but had relatively lousy black levels.
Grrrrr, not helping. Lol
post #8766 of 9713
The thing is Eric, you may not want a 2013 Samsung either. wink.gif
I was considering the F8500 and had to drop it from my list. I don't know if the lower models will have the same problems but....
If I were you, I'd go down to BB and take a look at them all including the ST60.
post #8767 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

The thing is Eric, you may not want a 2013 Samsung either. wink.gif
I was considering the F8500 and had to drop it from my list. I don't know if the lower models will have the same problems but....
If I were you, I'd go down to BB and take a look at them all including the ST60.
There was no way I was getting swapped to an 8500 and as far as the ST60, I am thinking the pq should be very similar to the GT50 as they share the same panel.

I can't really change what I am getting at this point so just listening to what others are saying so I know what to expect. I was under the impression that Panasonic was #1 when it came to plasma TV'S but now it sounds like it is kind of a toss up with Samsung or possibly the Sammy even having the better picture.
post #8768 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Grrrrr, not helping. Lol

Well at least this softness issue is the only complaint i have about my GT50 - i'm very happy with everything else about it, but the lack of crispness is a big disappointment to me. Not long after i got it i brought my older G10 into the man-room and set it up alongside my GT50 with an HDMI splitter to see if i was seeing things and the G10 was considerably crisper (still is, but it's in a bedroom now). It's not so bad on 1080i sources and content, but it's worse on 720p sources and content (facial detail etc is sorely lacking).

However, most people who have seen my GT50 like the soft image just fine but i'm not one of em biggrin.gif
post #8769 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Well at least this softness issue is the only complaint i have about my GT50 - i'm very happy with everything else about it, but the lack of crispness is a big disappointment to me. Not long after i got it i brought my older G10 into the man-room and set it up alongside my GT50 with an HDMI splitter to see if i was seeing things and the G10 was considerably crisper (still is, but it's in a bedroom now). It's not so bad on 1080i sources and content, but it's worse on 720p sources and content (facial detail etc is sorely lacking).

However, most people who have seen my GT50 like the soft image just fine but i'm not one of em biggrin.gif
If that was suppose to make me feel better, it didn't.....

I am sure everyone here sets the sharpness to zero in the settings but would raising this a little bit add some crisp to the picture possibly?

I had it set to zero on the Samsung but then raised it to 10 and think it added a little extra crisp without messing with the picture quality. Wonder if it would sharpen up the Panasonic picture.
post #8770 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

There was no way I was getting swapped to an 8500 and as far as the ST60, I am thinking the pq should be very similar to the GT50 as they share the same panel.

I can't really change what I am getting at this point so just listening to what others are saying so I know what to expect. I was under the impression that Panasonic was #1 when it came to plasma TV'S but now it sounds like it is kind of a toss up with Samsung or possibly the Sammy even having the better picture.

Panasonic won plasma of the year last year for a reason, I don't see it changing this year. We will soon find out once the ZT comes out.
post #8771 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's there, it's just not deal breaking bad.
Your eyes must be better than mine.
post #8772 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So has there been any complaints or disadvantages to not have as many calibration settings available on this TV? Will it effect the picture and colors to a noticeable level compared to a TV that has all the ICFF settings and 10pt white balance, etc.?
Asking the wrong guy, lol.
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post #8774 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Ryan25 View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's there, it's just not deal breaking bad.
Your eyes must be better than mine.

It's not just me. Check early posts here and on the VT50 thread.
post #8775 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Well at least this softness issue is the only complaint i have about my GT50 - i'm very happy with everything else about it, but the lack of crispness is a big disappointment to me. Not long after i got it i brought my older G10 into the man-room and set it up alongside my GT50 with an HDMI splitter to see if i was seeing things and the G10 was considerably crisper (still is, but it's in a bedroom now). It's not so bad on 1080i sources and content, but it's worse on 720p sources and content (facial detail etc is sorely lacking).

However, most people who have seen my GT50 like the soft image just fine but i'm not one of em biggrin.gif

A Darbee might help your situation overall. I know some 50 series owners complained about the "oil painting effect" on 720p sources. Does yours exhibit the look of 720p sources looking smeared compared to 1080i?
post #8776 of 9713
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's not just me. Check early posts here and on the VT50 thread.
Are you saying with 1080p sources or lesser resolutions?
post #8777 of 9713
Thanks, some hope has been restored. lol
post #8778 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Thanks, some hope has been restored. lol
And dont forget that this is a tv. Youre not choosing a wife. biggrin.gif
post #8779 of 9713
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

A Darbee might help your situation overall. I know some 50 series owners complained about the "oil painting effect" on 720p sources. Does yours exhibit the look of 720p sources looking smeared compared to 1080i?

Actually i added a Darbee way back in August (after reading about it in the VT50 thread and Darbee thread) and like others reported it did help improve the perception of detail and sharpness quite a bit, but even with the Darbee the TV still lacks the crispness and detail of my G10. Without the Darbee it's even softer. With the Darbee the GT50 is pretty acceptable, but without it i probably would have given/sold the TV to a relative or friend, or moved it to a secondary room. Before discovering the Darbee i seriously looked into getting a Samsung PNE7000 or one of the Sony locally dimming LCD TVs, and over time i've also gotten used to the softer image - but i'm still left wanting. And this is on a small 50" screen - i imagine the softness would be worse on a larger screen size.

And yes, 720p content and sources have that "smearing/oil painting effect" but is much less apparent on 1080i content.
post #8780 of 9713
My 60GT50 is as "sharp as a tack" on most content. BD and almost all cable channels look great. You have a few cable channels that are not as sharp and look soft, but that's the way it's been for cable TV for years. Remember looking at your old crt's picture quality with cable tv? Some channels looked great and some didn't. Even SD content looks pretty good on this tv.
post #8781 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually i added a Darbee way back in August (after reading about it in the VT50 thread and Darbee thread) and like others reported it did help improve the perception of detail and sharpness quite a bit, but even with the Darbee the TV still lacks the crispness and detail of my G10. Without the Darbee it's even softer. With the Darbee the GT50 is pretty acceptable, but without it i probably would have given/sold the TV to a relative or friend, or moved it to a secondary room. Before discovering the Darbee i seriously looked into getting a Samsung PNE7000 or one of the Sony locally dimming LCD TVs, and over time i've also gotten used to the softer image - but i'm still left wanting. And this is on a small 50" screen - i imagine the softness would be worse on a larger screen size.

And yes, 720p content and sources have that "smearing/oil painting effect" but is much less apparent on 1080i content.
+1 I have never had Darbee but this is my first plasma coming from several higher end LED and standard LCD tvs and frankly Im a little disappointed. But to get an LED this size would have cost much more so....
I have an ST by the way but it really doesnt matter.
post #8782 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

+1 I have never had Darbee but this is my first plasma coming from several higher end LED and standard LCD tvs and frankly Im a little disappointed. But to get an LED this size would have cost much more so....
I have an ST by the way but it really doesnt matter.
What exactly is a Darbee? Also, do you have an ST50 or ST60? If a 50, wonder if the 60 adds any more sharpness to it or that is just how Panasonic's in general look.....
post #8783 of 9713
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Originally Posted by rupterr View Post

My 60GT50 is as "sharp as a tack" on most content. BD and almost all cable channels look great. You have a few cable channels that are not as sharp and look soft, but that's the way it's been for cable TV for years. Remember looking at your old crt's picture quality with cable tv? Some channels looked great and some didn't. Even SD content looks pretty good on this tv.

I feel the same that the PQ including sharpness is fine on my 60GT50 when viewing all sources. I guess I'm not as picky as some are and I'm not going out of my way looking for issues with my 60GT50. I know this is AVS and many of us (myself included) obsess over our systems. But there has to be a time when one has to be happy with their gear even if it isn't perfect smile.gif.

Bill
post #8784 of 9713
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Not long after i got it i brought my older G10 into the man-room and set it up alongside my GT50 with an HDMI splitter to see if i was seeing things and the G10 was considerably crisper (still is, but it's in a bedroom now). It's not so bad on 1080i sources and content, but it's worse on 720p sources and content (facial detail etc is sorely lacking).
However, most people who have seen my GT50 like the soft image just fine but i'm not one of em biggrin.gif

Funny you should mention that. Our 60GT50 took the place of a 54GT15 that I moved to the game room for the kids. Now, we are thoroughly enjoying the GT50 yet from day one and still today I feel the 5 yr old GT15 has a better picture..

Cheers
post #8785 of 9713
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

What exactly is a Darbee? Also, do you have an ST50 or ST60? If a 50, wonder if the 60 adds any more sharpness to it or that is just how Panasonic's in general look.....
ST50. Google Darbee Darblet.
post #8786 of 9713
From reports I've read, the Darby doesn't improve picture any better than my Denon 2313. If I were going to spend my money it would be on a DVDO, and that's quiet a few more bucks than the Darby.
post #8787 of 9713
Has anyone tried the Oppo 103's video processing with the GT50 to see if it improves upon the image (softness)?
post #8788 of 9713
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Originally Posted by johnr45 View Post

Has anyone tried the Oppo 103's video processing with the GT50 to see if it improves upon the image (softness)?

I have the 105 and 60GT50. I think the piture is way sharper with video processing through the OPPO. As always, YMMV.
post #8789 of 9713
Thanks Mongo. I thought that might be the case. I'm thinking about trying the 103.
post #8790 of 9713
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Originally Posted by johnr45 View Post

Thanks Mongo. I thought that might be the case. I'm thinking about trying the 103.
The video processing is identical between the 103 and the 105.
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