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post #8941 of 9717
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Originally Posted by redbulluci View Post

Hello All,

I'm a GT50 owner finally! Is there a safe way to enter the service menu and enable the 3 setting "Motion Smoother" option while in THX Cinema Mode? Right now it is greyed out.

I say this because other members in my family like the look of the "Soap Opera Effect". I do not. But I guess this is great reason this HDTV is such a great set. You are allowed to make your own choice SOE on or off - even with a Plasma!

Please walk me through the steps. I understand the risks.

Thank you,
J

I don't know that you can do that in the GT50. Why not use Custom instead of voiding your warranty?
post #8942 of 9717
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

I don't know that you can do that in the GT50. Why not use Custom instead of voiding your warranty?

+1 and not even sure it is possible
post #8943 of 9717
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

The panels are going to be similar I believe. Did you change the settings to make it brighter. Certain settings are darker by default. You are going to see a reflection in an LED as well. It all matters how well the panel handles the reflection. The ST60 handles reflections better then LED's I have tried.

Either way, get rid of that GT50!

I agree completely and then there is off axis viewing issues on LED's. The ST60 is the way to go!!! I have seen both the ST60 and VT60 in person at my local BB last week and I wish I had waited.....but I am still happy with my GT50! Personally I don't like the aesthetics of the ST60 as much as the GT50 but it is close. The VT60 now has 2 ported speakers that fire forward. Kinda cool.
post #8944 of 9717
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Originally Posted by TLoewenberg View Post

This morning, I took possession of a 60" GT50 from a retailer that was previously a display model. Got it for a reasonable price, not great. The salesperson told me the TV have been on display for about 2 months.
I've been reading reports like yours for years. The sales person lied to you, or he's a new employee (not unusual) and his boss lied to him. If you have a return option, I would go back and demand a better price. That will only work if you are willing to take your money back.

Like Bond said, the hours on the TV isn't a deal killer if everything else is OK. It just probably cost you more than it would if the store had been honest.

EDIT: I agree with everyone else. eek.gif

Get the 60" ST60. Your room is what it is and no TV I've seen other than the Samsung 8500, at twice the money, would have a chance to block all the reflections that you seem to have.

I would also think twice about giving your retailer any more business.
Edited by htwaits - 5/2/13 at 6:42pm
post #8945 of 9717
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

Hey guys I have a 60" GT50. I'm using THX Bright mode, with the eco mode saving turned on. I like it, but does anyone have any other suggestions for bright room setting? I don't like custom mode, for some reason it looks weird compared to THX modes.

You do realize that after switching to the Custom mode that you MUST also make a series of adjustments to nearly all of the display parameters in order to get a good PQ. If you don't change the settings, the PQ will be pretty poor. I personally like HDMaster's wide color nighttime setup. I hope I haven't insulted you by stating something so basic but I know a lot of people who would not know this.

There are several other parameter sets listed here as well that may be more to your liking for daytime.
post #8946 of 9717
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Originally Posted by b.corso View Post

Those white marks are on the screen when the TV is off and they are just as visible at night.

The white marks are also clearly visible when the TV is on.

I ran scrolling bars for a hour and it cleared up. However, when I got home from work the next day, they started to come back.

The initial Panasonic rep I talked to said that image retention can be seen even if the TV is off, for whatever that is worth. I am going to call them back tonight.

This is not image retention. There is no image, only two blobs. Burn-in is permanent image retention. Unless you watched a fixed image with those two blobs continuously for months you could not do this kind of damage. Don't even use words like image retention or burn-in if you call Panasonic. Just call it an extreme white flare or irregularity. If you have ruled out external light sources, and it sounds like you have, then take a look at your ceiling for water damage in the area overtop of the TV. If its not from physical damage or rough handling then you probably either have a serious panel defect or a component on a board in that location is overheating. Either way it should be an unquestioned warranty repair.
post #8947 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

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Originally Posted by b.corso View Post

Those white marks are on the screen when the TV is off and they are just as visible at night.

The white marks are also clearly visible when the TV is on.

I ran scrolling bars for a hour and it cleared up. However, when I got home from work the next day, they started to come back.

The initial Panasonic rep I talked to said that image retention can be seen even if the TV is off, for whatever that is worth. I am going to call them back tonight.

This is not image retention. There is no image, only two blobs. Burn-in is permanent image retention. Unless you watched a fixed image with those two blobs continuously for months you could not do this kind of damage. Don't even use words like image retention or burn-in if you call Panasonic. Just call it an extreme white flare or irregularity. If you have ruled out external light sources, and it sounds like you have, then take a look at your ceiling for water damage in the area overtop of the TV. If its not from physical damage or rough handling then you probably either have a serious panel defect or a component on a board in that location is overheating. Either way it should be an unquestioned warranty repair.

Exactly!
post #8948 of 9717
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Originally Posted by b.corso View Post

Those white marks are on the screen when the TV is off and they are just as visible at night. The white marks are also clearly visible when the TV is on. I ran scrolling bars for a hour and it cleared up. However, when I got home from work the next day, they started to come back. I am going to call them back tonight.

Wow, i have never seen that kind of screen anomaly. From the picture it looks like those two spots are illuminated, either from light shining through the back (it happens on my GT50 in the afternoon) or else it's the panel itself that's doing that. Very weird. Are they just white spots? Or is that area actually illuminated from within the TV?

Regardless, since it's not light shining through the back then it's definitely defective and it's a good thing it started right before your warranty was due to expire !! I recommend you make it happen again and take video of it if possible, and as many pictures as you can which will help the repair technician diagnose it - but i bet they'll deem the panel bad in which case they may want to just give you a new 2013 model instead of going through the expense of replacing the panel. If the repair man says the panel is fine and that it's a bad video board that caused the problem, tell him you're concerned that those white spots it caused have damaged your panel and you're scared that it will cause problems in the future - maybe he can push for a panel replacement or a whole TV replacement.

If Panasonic decides to replace your TV with a 2013 model and they try to give you an ST60 series, insist on a VT60 since they no longer make a GT series this year, and the ST60 series is a lower model that does not have the THX picture modes that you definitely must have (even if you really don't care about the THX modes LOL). Don't let them downgrade you to a lower model. If they argue with you, explain that the only reason you bought a GT50 instead of an ST50 was because you wanted the THX modes and they'll have to upgrade you to a VT60 series.


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The initial Panasonic rep I talked to said that image retention can be seen even if the TV is off, for whatever that is worth.

Well that's physically impossible so he's just plain wrong. The TV must be on and displaying content in order to see IR or Burn-In.

Remember this - the CSRs that answer the phone have virtually no technical knowledge about any of their TVs or the technology behind them so take anything they say with a grain of salt.
post #8949 of 9717

Indeed, imagine if there was a way to make the plasma cells glow without electricity,

it would be the holy grail of television manufacturing. Displaying images without

the need for power. Sounds like the rep. is describing tv technology a few

decades before its time

post #8950 of 9717
Need some help here...

Does anyone with a 50 series Panny notice that it has some low lying (forced) motion Interpolation even with the motion smoother set to OFF???

I did notice a small amount of smoothing/SOE even with it OFF on my GT50. It never bother me with cable because that is broadcast in 60hz, but with 24p film content it did bother me a bit (48hz takes care of this but is unwatchable because of flicker).

The reason I am asking is because there are quite a few people in the ST60 thread saying they see the same thing. I am trying to figure out if the forced motion smoothing on the ST60 is even stronger than my GT50 which I need to replace because it is broken. I never remember anyone on this thread mentioning this even after I posted comments about seeing it. If it is worse with the ST60 I will not be happy with it.
Edited by wattheF - 5/3/13 at 9:15pm
post #8951 of 9717
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Need some help here...

Does anyone with a 50 series Panny notice that it has some low lying (forced) motion Interpolation even with the motion smoother set to OFF???

I did notice a small amount of smoothing/SOE even with it OFF on my GT50. It never bother me with cable because that is broadcast in 60hz, but with 24p film content it did bother me a bit (48hz takes care of this but is unwatchable because of flicker).

The reason I am asking is because there are quite a few people in the ST60 thread saying they see the same thing. I am trying to figure out if the forced motion smoothing on the ST60 is even stronger than my GT50 which I need to replace because it is broken. I never remember anyone on this thread mentioning this even after I posted comments about seeing it. If it is worse with the ST60 I will not be happy with it.

I don't ever recall seeing that when watching a movie 24p. I actually have never experienced flicker either. Maybe is because I have never tried 48hz. No need for it.
post #8952 of 9717
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

..., but with 24p film content it did bother me ... quite a few people in the ST60 thread saying they see the same thing. I am trying to figure out if the forced motion smoothing on the ST60 is even stronger than my GT50 ... If it is worse with the ST60 I will not be happy with it.

Why not just let your disk or media player(s) output 60 fps and bypass the internal processing on the GT / ST all together. Either the TV or the external box is going to have to do the pull down to convert the 24 fps to 60 fps for display; you may find the external box's processing more to your liking.

From what you said about the ST60, I'm also guessing that Panasonic has not done anything about the flicker-fest 48 Hz mode in the ST60 ? Then again I guess it's only practical application is for 3d content.
Edited by tpollagi - 5/5/13 at 6:31am
post #8953 of 9717
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

... Maybe is because I have never tried 48hz. No need for it.

It bypasses an entire level of video processing and gives "truer to film" appearance. Unfortunately, it is also useless for normal movies because of the excessive flicker. What they need to do is move up to the 3x rate but I guess phosphor decay and field driver limitations prevent this.
post #8954 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Why not just let your disk or media player(s) output 60 fps and bypass the internal processing on the GT / ST all together. Either the TV or the external box is going to have to do the pull down to convert the 24 fps to 60 fps for display; you may find the external box's processing more to your liking.

From what you said about the ST60, I'm also guessing that Panasonic has not done anything about the flicker-fest 48 Hz mode in the ST60 ? Then again I guess it's only practical application is for 3d content.
For the ST60, I heard Panasonic removed the 48Hz mode entirely and added the 96Hz mode instead.
post #8955 of 9717
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

For the ST60, I heard Panasonic removed the 48Hz mode entirely and added the 96Hz mode instead.

Does this in theory resolve the issue identified by tpollagi?
post #8956 of 9717
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Need some help here...

Does anyone with a 50 series Panny notice that it has some low lying (forced) motion Interpolation even with the motion smoother set to OFF???

I did notice a small amount of smoothing/SOE even with it OFF on my GT50. It never bother me with cable because that is broadcast in 60hz, but with 24p film content it did bother me a bit (48hz takes care of this but is unwatchable because of flicker).

The reason I am asking is because there are quite a few people in the ST60 thread saying they see the same thing. I am trying to figure out if the forced motion smoothing on the ST60 is even stronger than my GT50 which I need to replace because it is broken. I never remember anyone on this thread mentioning this even after I posted comments about seeing it. If it is worse with the ST60 I will not be happy with it.

Yes. It's slight and only occasionally bothers me, depending on the movie.
post #8957 of 9717
Thanks for the advice. I think I'll just stick with THX Cinema Mode. Just got the new S&M 2nd edition. Looks great.
post #8958 of 9717
FYI, just had Panny service fix my 10-month-old 50GT50 (from BB last July). It started having occasional buzzing issues during bright scenes in February, and had recently gotten worse.

Made the appt. 1 week ago. Service man was located 2 hrs. away, but he arrived at the beginning of the designated hour on the dot, and left 30 min. later. It was indeed loose screws, so he replaced them and all is well. Very pleased with the service. smile.gif
post #8959 of 9717
^^^ Yay!
post #8960 of 9717
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

^^^ Yay!
As an outsider "Yay!"
post #8961 of 9717
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

^^^ Yay!
As an outsider "Yay!"

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post #8962 of 9717
Holy smokes. Had anyone watched the movie total recall? The new version.

It's what I'm saying in the pic below intended or is something wrong with my tv?



As you can see the cause it's the ring of lights around his neck.
post #8963 of 9717
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Originally Posted by stansbrand View Post

Holy smokes. Had anyone watched the movie total recall? The new version.

It's what I'm saying in the pic below intended or is something wrong with my tv?



As you can see the cause it's the ring of lights around his neck.

He'd just been shot with that lasso gun thingy.
post #8964 of 9717
Yea I know. I'm talking about the lines caused by the lasso gun thingy lol. Is this intentional lens flaring or a defective panel?

Either this movie has very intentionally distracting flaring or my panel ids bad.
post #8965 of 9717
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Yes. It's slight and only occasionally bothers me, depending on the movie.

Thanks. Yeah it isn't a deal breaker and I am assuming it wont be any different with the ST60 so I pulled the trigger on the 60ST60! Delivery Thursday. biggrin.gif
post #8966 of 9717
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

For the ST60, I heard Panasonic removed the 48Hz mode entirely and added the 96Hz mode instead.

this is true
post #8967 of 9717
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Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

Why not just let your disk or media player(s) output 60 fps and bypass the internal processing on the GT / ST all together. Either the TV or the external box is going to have to do the pull down to convert the 24 fps to 60 fps for display; you may find the external box's processing more to your liking.

From what you said about the ST60, I'm also guessing that Panasonic has not done anything about the flicker-fest 48 Hz mode in the ST60 ? Then again I guess it's only practical application is for 3d content.

I tried both and yes in general running the BR player at 60 looked better but it still had slight SOE, with certain movies more than others.
post #8968 of 9717
The YouTube app received an update yesterday. When starting a video it now has the circle thing before it starts, but it still cuts off the first 3 seconds. It's good to know they're at least working on it.
post #8969 of 9717
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Originally Posted by stansbrand View Post

Holy smokes. Had anyone watched the movie total recall? The new version.

It's what I'm saying in the pic below intended or is something wrong with my tv?


As you can see the cause it's the ring of lights around his neck.

There was a defect in some of the Total Recall disk when they first came out. I rented one from Redbox that was terrible. Did you try any other disk?
post #8970 of 9717
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Originally Posted by ssetta View Post

The YouTube app received an update yesterday. When starting a video it now has the circle thing before it starts, but it still cuts off the first 3 seconds. It's good to know they're at least working on it.

I just used the YouTube app today and was not prompted for an update. Does it do it automatically?
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