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post #9361 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post


What I was actually asking in first post, is can it be determined straight away if a residual image is burnt in or if it's simply IR?
There is no way that I know of unless the owner reports that he went away on a ninety day around the world voyage and left the History Channel or ESPN playing. By the time he got back it would probably be burn-in. eek.gif
post #9362 of 9713
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There is no way that I know of unless the owner reports that he went away on a ninety day around the world voyage and left the History Channel or ESPN playing. By the time he got back it would probably be burn-in. eek.gif
A trip like that would be worth burn in on my tv.
post #9363 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

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What I was actually asking in first post, is can it be determined straight away if a residual image is burnt in or if it's simply IR?

No, frown.gif Burn-In is a permanent form of IR. If it never goes away then you can safely say its burn-in. Of course you will need to wait "forever" since if it ever disappears (be it 5 or 10 or 30 years from now) then it was only IR and not burn-in. On a practical note, if it doesn't show any indication of fading after 50 hours then it may be permanent. I just pulled 50 hours out of the air but I would think it is a safe bet. Minor IR can fade in a few hours. Some have described more defiant IR that has taken weeks to fade and months to completely disappear.
post #9364 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is no way that I know of unless the owner reports that he went away on a ninety day around the world voyage and left the History Channel or ESPN playing. By the time he got back it would probably be burn-in. eek.gif
A trip like that would be worth burn in on my tv.
Well if you've got $90K for a trip, a new TV would be chump change even if it was an OLED. smile.gif
post #9365 of 9713
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Well if you've got $90K for a trip, a new TV would be chump change even if it was an OLED. smile.gif
Ive heard thats YOUR budget. biggrin.gif
post #9366 of 9713
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Well if you've got $90K for a trip, a new TV would be chump change even if it was an OLED. smile.gif
Ive heard thats YOUR budget. biggrin.gif
Right. Our fiftieth wedding anniversary trip will start with an all day drive to Ashland Oregon where we will see two plays the next two days, then we will put put to Crescent City California where we will take a half day Skunk Train ride (lunch included), go for hikes and leave for Fort Bragg where we will spend another three days. Then we will rush home for a belated start on the NFL (one game late) season.

Our chump change ends at around $100. biggrin.gif
post #9367 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The 50 series actually has a pretty good sound system for a flat panel. The 50 series has a subwoofer and they got rid of it for the 60 series. Thats probably why theres such a difference in bass.

It's extremely noticeable, when listening to the GT50 compared to the VT60.. What I'm so shocked at is why did some reviews phrase the VT60's speakers so much? I guess just for the fact
that they faced forward.. (Which apparently, didn't help much) with it having such weak speakers..
post #9368 of 9713
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Right. Our fiftieth wedding anniversary trip will start with an all day drive to Ashland Oregon where we will see two plays the next two days, then we will put put to Crescent City California where we will take a half day Skunk Train ride (lunch included), go for hikes and leave for Fort Bragg where we will spend another three days. Then we will rush home for a belated start on the NFL (one game late) season.

Our chump change ends at around $100. biggrin.gif
Congrats on the anniversary! That all sounds very romantic. wink.gif
Im not going to ask what a Skunk Train ride is or what they may have for lunch.
Edited by Bond 007 - 8/26/13 at 12:57am
post #9369 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

How can you tell the difference between image burn-in and image retention?

Reason I'm asking is, I noticed recently during grey-scale calibration that one overt channel logo is continually present on display. eek.gif

I'm hoping what I'm seeing is the latter and not the former as IR will fade over time. I ran the Panasonic tool last night and I'm now running the slides again hoping it will go away soon.

I won't be watching that channel again on this display.

I don't know if this is correct or not. I'm sure someone will correct me if needed.

We had an old computer at the last place I worked. You could still see an image when the monitor was turned off...Burn-in.

An image you only see while the TV is on...IR.
post #9370 of 9713
My sharpness is set at 0, but I notice a slight softness to the picture. I've bumped it up to like 25 but I still seem to notice it. Is there really much difference as to where you set the sharpness on this TV?? Has anyone else noticed this?
post #9371 of 9713
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

My sharpness is set at 0, but I notice a slight softness to the picture. I've bumped it up to like 25 but I still seem to notice it. Is there really much difference as to where you set the sharpness on this TV?? Has anyone else noticed this?

A lot of people find the GT50 image as being soft. Almost all the recommended popular picture settings posted here and online advise to have sharpness set to 0 b/c apparently any level of + sharpness is introducing noise or undesired manipulation to the original image... but obviously this doesn't help make the image any clearer.

I have my sharpness set to 80-90 on any given picture mode. I found, like other members, that until you start pushing sharpness of 70-75+ you really can't notice that much of a difference between 0 and 50 even. Mind you, the source material plays a big part. My OTA HD broadcasts all look very, very soft. For the tuner input I have sharpness set at like 85-90ish. For my analog LD's fed via composite RCA cable again I have sharpness set in the 80's and in both respects the picture is still quite soft. For BD's and DVD's I've toned it down to 40-50 but mind you I think I'm making up for it at least with the DVD's b/c on the 220 BD player I have super resolution setting at 2 which supposedly enhances the clarity and detail of non HD (DVD) material.

So to answer your question: unless you have sharpness set to 2/3's+, no you don't tend to see the picture getting clearer/sharper. There seems to be two camps of GT50 people: the ones who set sharpness to 0, and those with it set closer to the other side of the spectrum.
post #9372 of 9713
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

My sharpness is set at 0, but I notice a slight softness to the picture. I've bumped it up to like 25 but I still seem to notice it. Is there really much difference as to where you set the sharpness on this TV?? Has anyone else noticed this?

What is your source? Blu-ray, TV?
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Originally Posted by stuckin96 View Post

A lot of people find the GT50 image as being soft. Almost all the recommended popular picture settings posted here and online advise to have sharpness set to 0 b/c apparently any level of + sharpness is introducing noise or undesired manipulation to the original image... but obviously this doesn't help make the image any clearer.

I have my sharpness set to 80-90 on any given picture mode. I found, like other members, that until you start pushing sharpness of 70-75+ you really can't notice that much of a difference between 0 and 50 even. Mind you, the source material plays a big part. My OTA HD broadcasts all look very, very soft. For the tuner input I have sharpness set at like 85-90ish. For my analog LD's fed via composite RCA cable again I have sharpness set in the 80's and in both respects the picture is still quite soft. For BD's and DVD's I've toned it down to 40-50 but mind you I think I'm making up for it at least with the DVD's b/c on the 220 BD player I have super resolution setting at 2 which supposedly enhances the clarity and detail of non HD (DVD) material.

So to answer your question: unless you have sharpness set to 2/3's+, no you don't tend to see the picture getting clearer/sharper. There seems to be two camps of GT50 people: the ones who set sharpness to 0, and those with it set closer to the other side of the spectrum.

Thanks for the reply. I'm just talking about my day to day OTA HD broadcasts. I'll have to try it up in the 80-90's and see what I think. All in all I love the TV. My DVD pic is really nice....I have the OPPO 103 and couldn't be happier with that.
post #9374 of 9713
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

Thanks for the reply. I'm just talking about my day to day OTA HD broadcasts. I'll have to try it up in the 80-90's and see what I think. All in all I love the TV. My DVD pic is really nice....I have the OPPO 103 and couldn't be happier with that.

Near the start of this thread someone stated/claimed that the ATSC tuners in these GT50's were not as "good" or "sharp" as other brand's tuners. I personally find that the OTA image on my Sony XBR4 LCD is waaaaay clearer and sharper than the image on my GT50. Granted the Sony's screen is 20" smaller, but the difference is still night and day. We're talking razor sharp vs. not wearing eye glasses.

I was watching Wrath of the Titans 3D BD over the weekend and was blown away by the picture. I've never seen such a sharp and clear image on my GT50 until now. The movie/story itself blows big time, but I think I've found my new 3D/GT50 demo disc smile.gif
post #9375 of 9713
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

My sharpness is set at 0, but I notice a slight softness to the picture. I've bumped it up to like 25 but I still seem to notice it. Is there really much difference as to where you set the sharpness on this TV?? Has anyone else noticed this?

I recently performed a grey scale calibration followed by simple basic calibration of contrast, brightness, sharpness, colour and tint and other settings using the new Spears and Munsil v2 calibration disk:
http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/2nd-edition-articles/

Last night, I yet again watched episode 6 of HBO "The Pacific" and was simply stunned by the PQ I was observing on my GT50. I've never seen anything look so good. Definitely NOT soft.

.......and I haven't finished the calibration yet. More to follow.

You should get this new calibration disk and see for yourself what your display is capable of.

EDIT: IIRC, my sharpness setting is now between 60-70.
Edited by Iain- - 9/4/13 at 10:15am
post #9376 of 9713
Wonder if the OTA are being shown in native resolution, Fox and ABC are 720p OTA, CBS and NBC are 1080i.
post #9377 of 9713
The resolution is the same OTA vs Cable/SAT, its the lack of compression that makes the difference on OTA Alot of folks complain about 720p on the 2012 Pannys
post #9378 of 9713
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Originally Posted by size14d View Post

Wonder if the OTA are being shown in native resolution, Fox and ABC are 720p OTA, CBS and NBC are 1080i.
Yes.
post #9379 of 9713
Prep slides are to be used if you are planning to use "reference" settings or to get the TV pro-calibrated b4 you actually start watching your daily content. If you don't want any of the above and just want to watch tv right out of the box: use "none prep" settings.None of the above has anything to do with avoiding/reducing chances of BI/IR.. this can happen regardless of prep or no prep.Wv7Zu
post #9380 of 9713
^^^+1^^^ Slide use for break-in is so misunderstood
post #9381 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

I recently performed a grey scale calibration followed by simple basic calibration of contrast, brightness, sharpness, colour and tint and other settings using the new Spears and Munsil v2 calibration disk:
http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/2nd-edition-articles/

Last night, I yet again watched episode 6 of HBO "The Pacific" and was simply stunned by the PQ I was observing on my GT50. I've never seen anything look so good. Definitely NOT soft.

.......and I haven't finished the calibration yet. More to follow.

You should get this new calibration disk and see for yourself what your display is capable of.

EDIT: IIRC, my sharpness setting is now between 60-70.

Would you mind sharing your calibrated settings for others to try. I know they are specifically made for your panel and conditions but some may find them helpful.



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Originally Posted by stuckin96 View Post

Near the start of this thread someone stated/claimed that the ATSC tuners in these GT50's were not as "good" or "sharp" as other brand's tuners. I personally find that the OTA image on my Sony XBR4 LCD is waaaaay clearer and sharper than the image on my GT50. Granted the Sony's screen is 20" smaller, but the difference is still night and day. We're talking razor sharp vs. not wearing eye glasses.

I was watching Wrath of the Titans 3D BD over the weekend and was blown away by the picture. I've never seen such a sharp and clear image on my GT50 until now. The movie/story itself blows big time, but I think I've found my new 3D/GT50 demo disc smile.gif

I have seen Wrath of the Titans 3D as well, I enjoyed it too. You need to see Avatar 3D too if you haven't already. I really don't see the picture soft at all but than again, I am not watching over the air broadcasts. I have Optik HD cable/ Dish HD satellite. I'm sure the up conversion to 1080p from my Onkyo receiver and the Darbee play a huge difference in giving a sharper clearer picture quality. Some HD shows just look simply stunning 1080p like almost.
post #9382 of 9713
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

Thanks for the reply. I'm just talking about my day to day OTA HD broadcasts. I'll have to try it up in the 80-90's and see what I think. All in all I love the TV. My DVD pic is really nice....I have the OPPO 103 and couldn't be happier with that.


Set the sharpness up to 87...perhaps I notice a slight more sharpness with OTA HD broadcasts. I'll try it for awhile and see what I think. Thanks for everyone's input on this.
post #9383 of 9713
need an opinion
If you had a choice between a 60 " gt50 and 55 " vt60 which one would you go for?
ill be sitting about 14 feet away from the tv, most viewing would be in dim or dark in the basement....
Cheers!
post #9384 of 9713
Hi guys!!! So after like a year of trying to find a media server program that would play everything on the Panasonic, I finally got ahold of one of the serviio forum dudes, and we went over exactly what was needed for the 2012 GT50. I've tested, and it works very well. The issue was always that there wasn't a good profile for the Panasonic, because it doesn't support divx or xvid, and also, mkv files, when not transcoded, don't give the correct aspect ratio.

Anyways, I know most of you wouldn't mind being able to view all your stuff on your pc, so here's what I did. I got one of the Netgear WNCE2001 adapters, basically it's a standalone wifi adapter that you setup on a computer, then you just plug it into literally anything with an ethernet port, and it connects to whatever you told it to connect to. Great for this TV. And it's like $35. Anyways, you get that, then download serviio (it's free). Also go google the latest version of ffdshow. Install those 2, then you'll need to setup serviio. Basically you're just telling it to always give the best video quality, point it to wherever your media files are stored on your PC, and that's pretty much it. Oh, and also point it to a large space for transcoding. I think it deletes the transcoding files after it uses them, but still, you want to point it to a hard drive that will always have more than 10GB free, I'd say. More if you have super big video files.

Now is the only tricky part, but really it's not that tricky. You need to find your install of serviio (c drive, program files, serviio for me), then go to config folder, and right click/edit the profiles.xml file. At the very bottom, right before you see */Profiles* (*=< or > from now on, forum issues with those 2) you want to copy and paste the below. Afterwards, you just make sure that everything is in order. Each of these things that starts with *profile ID=whatever, and ends with */profile* is a separate profile, and you're just adding another one in. Make sure you're leaving everything alone in the rest of them. You're literally copy/pasting a profile right before the final line in the xml file. Now press save, but don't close the xml editor. Go to task manager, go to processes, end the process tree for serviio and the console (it will be 3 executables), then restart serviio, and watch for it in task manager. You'll see a CPU spike, then it will go back down to 0. If it ends itself in the first few seconds, you know something is wrong with what you copy/pasted, so try again, and follow directions better! smile.gif But really, that shouldn't be necessary.

After that, all you need to do is find your tv in serviio device list, and tell it to use this profile (panasonic viera (201x) by DenyAll. DenyAll is the awesome dude who created this by the way. He was extremely helpful.

Anyways, this should work with most Panasonic tvs, not just the 2012 GT50. It transcodes most things, though alot of other tvs don't actually need it. If your computer is slower, you might not be able to watch all your stuff stutter-free, but I've got a first generation i5 processor, and it runs it all pretty much fine.

Hope this helps. I read this thread a while back, and people were always having issues with tversity, serviio, even the stuff you pay for. This should fix all your problems, and it should take you about 10 minutes to setup.

edit: I'll recopy/paste the code later...... I seem to have messed something up. Give me a short while. Hm, maybe a little longer than a short while, but I'll figure it out, then update later. I'm very interested in finally getting this thing working.
Edited by Porteroso - 9/6/13 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by spawnofwar1600 View Post

need an opinion
If you had a choice between a 60 " gt50 and 55 " vt60 which one would you go for?
ill be sitting about 14 feet away from the tv, most viewing would be in dim or dark in the basement....
Cheers!

I've never owned a VT50, but you want the bigger GT50. The picture is immaculate. You will never look back, and the size does make a difference. /cue joke People say the quality on the VT50 is slightly better, but this discussion has been had many times before, and pretty much everyone would agree that you just want the bigger screen. I've got a 60 inch GT50 myself, and once you get some good settings on that bad boy, it's insane.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in about 6 months, but at one point I saw hdmaster took his settings down. I still have them if anyone wants them. For me, they are unbelievably good. I saw a few posts up another guy was calibrating, so I'm somewhat interested in trying new settings out too, though I can't imagine getting a better picture.
Edited by Porteroso - 9/6/13 at 2:16pm
post #9386 of 9713
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Originally Posted by spawnofwar1600 View Post

need an opinion
If you had a choice between a 60 " gt50 and 55 " vt60 which one would you go for?
ill be sitting about 14 feet away from the tv, most viewing would be in dim or dark in the basement....
Cheers!
Get the GT. The performance between the 2 is very similar and the extra 5" is a big difference. And with you sitting that far away you will really appreciate it later.
post #9387 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Get the GT. The performance between the 2 is very similar and the extra 5" is a big difference. And with you sitting that far away you will really appreciate it later.

+1 I second that, sitting at about 14feet away from the screen, you are going to want the biggest screen you can get.
post #9388 of 9713
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Originally Posted by Porteroso View Post

I've never owned a VT50, but you want the bigger GT50. The picture is immaculate. You will never look back, and the size does make a difference. /cue joke People say the quality on the VT50 is slightly better, but this discussion has been had many times before, and pretty much everyone would agree that you just want the bigger screen. I've got a 60 inch GT50 myself, and once you get some good settings on that bad boy, it's insane.

By the way, I haven't read this thread in about 6 months, but at one point I saw hdmaster took his settings down. I still have them if anyone wants them. For me, they are unbelievably good. I saw a few posts up another guy was calibrating, so I'm somewhat interested in trying new settings out too, though I can't imagine getting a better picture.
CNET has good settings too, pretty similar to HDMasters I think. I made some minor tweaks as I have a pretty bright room.
post #9389 of 9713
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Originally Posted by spawnofwar1600 View Post

need an opinion
If you had a choice between a 60 " gt50 and 55 " vt60 which one would you go for?
ill be sitting about 14 feet away from the tv, most viewing would be in dim or dark in the basement....
Cheers!

as everyone else has said, get the 60gt50...I have the 55 and sit 13/14' back and wish i could have the 60. it was a wife pleasing issue for me...
post #9390 of 9713
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Originally Posted by spawnofwar1600 View Post

need an opinion
If you had a choice between a 60 " gt50 and 55 " vt60 which one would you go for?
ill be sitting about 14 feet away from the tv, most viewing would be in dim or dark in the basement....
Cheers!

@ 14' viewing distance from eyeballs to panel surface, the 60" is not going to look that big. It will seem just fine for 16:9 HDTV/1.85:1 movies but too small for 2.35:1 aspect moives. The 55" will appear TINY.


I originally spec'd the viewing distance of my theatre room as being 15+ feet from eyes to screen - that was when I had a 100"+ projector screen in mind. Once the room was built the space seemed a lot smaller, and I messed up my plans b/c the way the back wall's corners come out at 45 degree angles meant any large projector casing would have to be mounted 3-4' away from the wall in order to clear the corners. My viewing distance from screen would now drop to approx 10' and look stupid setup wise. Plasma was the ONLY other option for me; an 80" LED would have filled the space perfectly but I never once considered going that route. So I bought the best and biggest plasma for the money/value which was IMO the 65" GT50. I love my set, I LOVE watching full HD hockey via OTA and 1.85:1 movies, but the really widescreen films shot in 2.35:1 or greater aspects are just too small to match the sound stage. I even moved my sweet spot seating up by 1' to 14' viewing distance (same as you are talking) and I rarely want to sit dead center - I'm always on either side of the seating with the viewing distance closer to 12-10'.

This coming from a guy who for years watched TV on a 46" LCD screen from 9' viewing distance. Go for the bigger set. And like someone said, there are only 2 real advantages with going for the VT - one being the single glass panel, but in a dedicated basement environment glare shouldn't be a factor at all.
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