Originally Posted by Erich H
No offense intended, but you've gone off on a slight tangent about a 2nd sheet that we're trying to avoid to keep prices down. And you're talking about left over wood from a second sheet to make a 15" box. The 15" box is already getting cut with the 14.25" box. If the discussion was originally about using a 2nd sheet, you'd have to think that myself or the cabinet company were pretty stupid to not have thought about using the rest of the wood. I hope you don't think that we look at a 1/2 piece of left over wood and decide it's best to just throw it away. It always gets used my friend.
But I don't understand why you're worked up about this second sheet of Baltic? The original idea is how to avoid using it, not how to use it and then debate what else can be cut. Somehow you've turned the conversation into cutting a second sheet of Baltic......when the goal is no second sheet of Baltic. That's why I posted the photos and asked the question.
As originally stated, the issue deals with cost, not whether I can get the baffles cut from Baltic. For some reason you're trying to figure out how I can get them cut......but I already know how......I simply tell them to cut some Baltic baffles. That's not a problem. No where did I say it could NOT be done. The question pertains to keeping the price down for everyone. Do we keep the 2nd cross brace and use mdf as the 2nd outer baffle? Or do we use the other style brace, which is just as good, and make the 2nd baffle layer from Baltic?
Either of those ideas keeps the price down. I'm not the one that brought up starting a second sheet of Baltic and then figuring out how to use the remaining wood. That makes things more expensive for everyone. Does it make sense to raise the price of the box $20 to connect 2 single braces with a 1.5" x 8" piece of wood?
The box I posted has a double layer of Baltic birch.....cut from one sheet. It's already been designed. The bracing ties the middle of side panels directly to the middle of the rear panel. That's what everyone said should be done earlier because there's no way the sides can flex in or out when they are braced to the rear wall like that. There is another brace I designed, shaped like an upside down 'U' that will cross brace, but it only comes up from the rear panel to the middle of the box.
Again, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk. I know how to get the cross brace and double Baltic baffle cut.....it's done by raising the price of the box.
And as mentioned earlier, a 4x8 sheet would work, but costs about 75% more than a 5x5. So it turns out more expensive per sq ft.
I thought the question was/is: would people prefer an all-Baltic cabinet or one utilizing an exterior baffle of mdf. I suppose I wasn't following close enough to realize there was an all-Baltic option available off one sheet else I don't know why the question was asked in the first place.
My feeling- without going back through the thread- that the most popular option required another square off a second sheet of Baltic. Sure it would be "x" more cost...but so
would mdf or any other material at "y"...what's the difference? Not much, imo.
unless I missed a bunch of "pro-mdf" responses the overwhelming answer was/is all-baltic was preferable.
That was met with "it will take another sheet" "mdf is easier to paint" etc.
So after YOU (not I) logically suggested that you could use the balance of the "18" baffle sheet" for other purposes, I concurred and proposed it could purposed for comprising 15" cabinets.
You then detailed that you'd have "hundreds of 15" baffles everywhere".
I responded in detail why that would not occur. Of course I do not know exactly how you have allocated materials elsewhere, I'm simply working off your own, earlier, suggestion.
I don't think anyone is "stupid", I simply offered a solution to what people seem to overwhelmingly desire: an all Baltic 18" cabinet (with, I'm assuming at the moment "x" style of bracing that prohibits a one sheet solution).
From a cost standpoint there would be little to no waste of material so outside of the savings lost to one 20x20" square of BB over mdf, I'm all ears as to any other.
The key of course is maximizing the use of the material, which my offering does, not simply stating that because you use another sheet of Baltic birch to finish four cabinets and others that it's inherently more cost-prohibitive. Again, if other production of 15" cabs makes this redundant, almost certainly an integrated solution exists between the two methodologies.
But this looks like it's going the route of "there's no 'real' Baltic birch produced in 4x8 sheets".
Again, I can understand if allocating 15" panels on the 18" baffle sheet conflicts with an existing production plan, but these things get modified without end in a production line of any kind.
But if the answer is: I want it all on one sheet with an mdf outer baffle even though the majority have said they prefer all Baltic, so be it, it's your operation.
Last if there's an all Baltic option that "we've" choose that can be done off one sheet, please excuse my entire diatribe as I am grossly in error. Then, it seems a no brainier then to go with it if people really are not going to spend a few bucks more for an internal brace that could be potentially comprised of mdf.
JamesEdited by mastermaybe - 11/13/12 at 5:00pm