Originally Posted by Erich H
James, maybe your vendor might be overcharging for the 5x5 which is why your 4x8's are cheaper per sqft? You've pretty much told me that every part of this project has a problem. Yet in the end, it's all based on either you not knowing about gaskets, or forgetting that we're not in the same region, or that birch comes from 4 different countries and 50 different manufacturers....and maybe the weight isn't always the same per sheet per manufacturer.
It's strange that you're getting aggravated by all of this when *you* said pricing varies by region....yet you somehow know this company in my region that buys tractor loads is getting ripped.......when you don't even know their price! It's just kinda strange to argue that isn't it? You're literally debating about unknown variables! Not to mention that it changes nothing in this project!
When I picked up some flat packs last year an employee had me sign a piece of paper, then handed me the receipt with a few other pages by mistake. The guy making the quote had hand written the current wood prices they pay for all the different options I asked for from 2 distributors. They had 5x5's, 4x8's, appleply, etc. The 5x5's were cheaper per sq ft. I don't know what you want me to do about that. Should we riot in the streets of Cincinnati?? I can assure you, this company gets the best prices in the area. And in this area.....5x5's are cheaper per sq ft.
I'm done debating weights of wood, gaskets, and the unknown prices of wood by region. What does any of that matter for this project? And why are you getting bend out of shape because my area must have wood at a different price than your area......when you were the one that said it varies by area. I mean, isn't that kinda of funny. But I'm not moving, and I'm not going to boycott the lumber yards.
I'm not the one that brought any of it up.
You're creating positions for me that I've never stated. That's a problem.
Don't know about gaskets? Ummm, no, I DO, I just disagreed with the imperativeness of creating specific baffles to address what amounts to 1/16 to 1/8" variances around it. Massive, massive, distinction of course and my right to an opinion, I'm afraid.
I forget that we're in different regions?! Lmao...you're prolly three hundred miles away (and I quite like my price points on 4x8 AND 5x5 from a few different vendors, thanks!). And more imperatively, that's inconsequential to the notion that BB in COMPARABLE volumes will be cheaper 4x8 then 5x5...except in Cincinatti, apparently. Pick 10 places nationally and call and ask.
Variances in weight? Yes, I've acknowledged as much. Brought it UP in fact. However, as I indicated, crucially, those variances at their "worst" still don't make BB as heavy as comparable mdf. Call 10 vendors and ask.
50 manufacturers of BB?! Sorry, it's considerably more, but unimportant at this point or any other.
I don't know your price? Excuse me, not only did you calculate a 5x5 sheet order above (if not with YOUR rate, then whoms?), but it doesn't matter what the "price" is, check your OWN post pages back talking about the absurd price differential between 4x8 and 5x5 (which was just that, absurd)...oh and then you went on to tell me (a guy who routinely orders "real" 4x8 Baltic birch) that it's not available in 4x8 sheets. Again, check the posts.
I stand by my posts...they're based on fact, not speculation or ad hoc nonsense.
You can attempt to twist and "re-context" them all you want, but they'll remain valid.
Honestly, it seems you're the type for asks for input/opinion and then when you get them, you already have it figured out anyway. Check the posts in this very thread, it's not just me.
Constructive criticism is offered and it either gets upended with "I already have it figured out" or some form of "why are you picking on me?".
You'd prolly be better off simply creating your product and opening a thread introducing it, that way you wouldn't have to worry about anyone knowing more than you- or probably more accurately, your semingly omnipotent vendor- or offending your cabinet making sensibilities.
JamesEdited by mastermaybe - 11/15/12 at 6:00pm