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post #1 of 16
4/4/12 at 5:00pm
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I just purchased a 47" LG LM6700 passive 3D set earlier this week. So far I've been very happy with the set, but have been struggling with getting PC games to work correctly in 3D. PS3 and 360 games work beautifully and leave me expecting similar, if not better, results from my PC.

Specwise I have an i7 2600k with an Nvidia GTX 580 and 16GB of ram. I'm outputting via HDMI to the LG television. I've been able to get 3D to work, but only by choosing 1280x720 as my resolution. I've read so many threads on this topic, that it's hard to really know how current some of the information out there is. Are passive TVs really limited to 1280x720 at 60Hz or 1920x1080 at 2Hz if you want to use 3D?

For example, on Batman Arkham City, I can make the game run in 3D fine at 1280x720, but when I set the resolution to 1920 I get the message:

"Current mode 1920x1080@60 is not HDMI 3D compatible. Please try 1280x720@60Hz or 1920x1080@24Hz"

I don't see an option anywhere to lower the setting down to 24Hz which prevents me from attempting that.

It just seems as if I'm missing some crucial step to setting this up correctly as others seem to be very impressed with PC 3D. I've just yet to see it, and would really like to.
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post #2 of 16
4/4/12 at 6:13pm
Is the native resolution of your Batman game 1080p/60, 1080p/24 or 720p/60?
I believe the ps3 only outputs 3D games in 720p/60
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post #3 of 16
4/4/12 at 9:52pm
According to HDMI 1.4, 3DTVs are not required to accept 1080P/60 (walford, you should know that)

http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=120

(red emphasis by me)
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3D Mandatory Formats
  • For movie content:
    • Frame Packing
      • 1080p @ 23.98/24Hz
  • For game content:
    • Frame Packing
      • 720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
  • For broadcast content:
    • Side-by-Side Horizontal
      • 1080i @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
    • Top-and-Bottom
      • 720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz
      • 1080p @ 23.97/24Hz
Implementing the mandatory formats of the HDMI Specification facilitates interoperability among devices, allowing devices to speak a common 3D language when transmitting and receiving 3D content. The mandatory requirements for devices implementing 3D formats are:
  • Displays – must support all mandatory formats.
  • Sources – must support at least one mandatory format.
  • Repeaters - must be able to pass through all mandatory formats.
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post #4 of 16
4/5/12 at 9:35am
Yes I know the HDMI 1.4a specs I asked the question I did to try and deteremine if his Batman game itself was preventing him from outputting any resolution other then 720p.
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post #5 of 16
4/5/12 at 6:47pm
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The game itself runs perfectly in 1080p resolution. I only get the error message when attempting to also use 3D. Other games like Trine 2, and Crysis 2 seem to do just fine in 1080p. Maybe it's a limitation of Nvidia's implementation of 3D on passive TVs. Just hard to find a clear answer one way or another.
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post #6 of 16
4/5/12 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by aphesian View Post

The game itself runs perfectly in 1080p resolution. I only get the error message when attempting to also use 3D. Other games like Trine 2, and Crysis 2 seem to do just fine in 1080p. Maybe it's a limitation of Nvidia's implementation of 3D on passive TVs. Just hard to find a clear answer one way or another.

1080P/60 works in 2D. It is not supported by the TV in 3D.
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post #7 of 16
4/5/12 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by aphesian View Post

Maybe it's a limitation of Nvidia's implementation of 3D on passive TVs.

Passive shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you're using 3DTV Play then really all Nvidia is doing is sending out a HDMI 1.4 compatible 3D signal, without knowing (or needing to know) whether the TV is passive or not.

My guess would be to try the options in the Nvidia control panel. Perhaps there is a way to have games default to frame packed 1080p/24hz. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there's no option for 24hz in the game itself.
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post #8 of 16
4/6/12 at 7:38am
Is your TV in the following 3d-vision list of supported displays:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html
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post #9 of 16
4/6/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Is your TV in the following 3d-vision list of supported displays:

This should only apply to dual DVI 3D monitors which need 3D Vision certification. If you have an hdmi 1.4 3DTV of any kind it should work with 3DTV Play in principle whether its listed or not (the link here is for 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play). If it's not listed, submit it.
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post #10 of 16
4/6/12 at 10:07am
I thought 1080p24 was an arbitrary limitation of Nvidia 3DTV play. Here they recommend 720p60 if you want to game.

Afterthought: If your TV supports checkerboard 3D your best bet is probably to:
- Install the nvidia 3d Vision usb emulator. http://uploading.com/files/get/5bc1e633/
- Use a monitor inf file to spoof an HDMI1.3 display. http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...c=191819&st=20
- Enable 3D DLP output via the 3D Vision wizard.
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post #11 of 16
6/20/12 at 6:32pm
Use 1280x720@60hz
1080p works but capped at 24fps so its horrible. That and not all games let you choose the refresh rate so your tv wont see it as a 3d format. Kinda stupid but 720p isnt bad considering you take a 50% framerate hit anyways. Your video card needs to run 720p @ 120fps to see a full 60fps in 3d, this means nvidia gtx460 and up pretty much.

Sent from my LG-MS840 using Tapatalk 2
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post #12 of 16
6/21/12 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by aphesian View Post

The game itself runs perfectly in 1080p resolution. I only get the error message when attempting to also use 3D. Other games like Trine 2, and Crysis 2 seem to do just fine in 1080p. Maybe it's a limitation of Nvidia's implementation of 3D on passive TVs. Just hard to find a clear answer one way or another.
It's a problem with Nvidia's decision to remove user control over the 3D output formats in their 3D driver. (they did that when they launched their 3D vision glasses)
Your TV is a passive FPR 3DTV, it's native format is frame-compatible line interleaved 3D @ 1080p60.
Nvidia does know how to support that (they did it when they had a support contract with Zalman monitors) but they don't want you to use use it on your own. Instead they force you to use the Hdmi 1.4a frame packing format at the minimum mandatory spec (which is 1080p24 or 720p60).

If you want to use the appropriate format with Nvidia's 3D drivers (3D Vision or 3DTV play), you'll have to hack it and jump through lots of hoops. I'm not up to date with Nvidia hacking but the last time I checked, using line interleaved 3D was not possible with Nvidia 3D drivers.
I recommend you switch to a different driver which does allow you to choose your 3D output mode like the DDD Tridef Ignition drivers. It can run your TV at it's proper native resolution on all graphics cards (Nvidia and AMD) and it has a 15 days free trial.
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post #13 of 16
6/21/12 at 4:22pm
It's very possible. The Zalman support is still there, you just need to use the EDID override (Google it) to trick NVidia into thinking that's what monitor you have. I'm doing it myself, and it works fine. And it's not "lots of hoops" and hacking.. it's just a driver update with the Zalman INF.

I would much prefer if the program simply gave you a drop-down list of what type of 3D display you have, and let you choose it directly. But as long as they keep support for the Zalman monitor, we'll continue to be able to use it with interleaved displays.
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post #14 of 16
6/22/12 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

It's very possible. The Zalman support is still there, you just need to use the EDID override (Google it) to trick NVidia into thinking that's what monitor you have. I'm doing it myself, and it works fine. And it's not "lots of hoops" and hacking.. it's just a driver update with the Zalman INF.
I would much prefer if the program simply gave you a drop-down list of what type of 3D display you have, and let you choose it directly. But as long as they keep support for the Zalman monitor, we'll continue to be able to use it with interleaved displays.
That's good news. I didn't know you could do that EDID trick with the interlaced mode. I thought it only worked for Frame sequential DLP projectors.
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post #15 of 16
10/9/12 at 12:20pm
Do you need to install the nvidia 3d drivers and the tridef drivers or just tridef if you are going that route?
I just ordered my new passive 3dtv panasonic L55ET5B and will be using it as my main pc monitor.
Want the easiest, hassle free solution to output 1080 @ 60fps interleaved signal to my display when I want to play in 3D but then default to 1080 progressive when I switch back to 2D.

How would I go about this?
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post #16 of 16
10/12/12 at 6:52pm
If you install the override, then you don't need anything but the native NVidia drivers. You're using 3D Vision directly, just as if you had a 3D Vision active-shutter monitor. I haven't tried the others like Tridef, mainly because they don't support as many titles as NVidia does out of the box. Switching between 2D and 3D is as easy as hitting Ctrl-T, which is the default toggle for 3D effects in-game (the option keys can be rebound). Returning to the desktop always reverts back to 2D. It also gives you things like the NVidia 3D video player, which is handy for playing downloaded YouTube videos and the like.

I've found it to be totally painless. In fact, the more I get into it, now that I'm buying all my Blu-rays in 3D, I'm eyeballing a big upgrade for the living room. smile.gif
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