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post #241 of 852
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Originally Posted by juju187 View Post

I've been following the forum since it started. I have the UN46ES6100. I have tried every setting posted. Until I actually took the time with help from friends to get the best picture I have found. If you use my settings and find a better setting somewhere let me know. I watch tv in low light. So below is what I have. Once again let me know if you find a tweak.


Picture Mode: Standard

BL: 15

Contrast: 98

Brightness: 47

Sharpness: 50

Color: 37

Tint: G50/R50

Screen Fit

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Black Tone: Off

Flesh Tone: 0

RGB: Off

Color Space: Native

Gamma: +1

Motion Lighting: Off

Color Tone: Warm2

DNF: Low

MPEG NF: Low

Film Mode: Auto 2

Auto Motion Plus: Clear

LED Motion: Off


I hope it helps. Once again. Please post any quality changes you find

juju187 settings above is the best settings I have found so far. I have tried different ones in this thread, and even when the evening came as it got dark, dimming did not occur for me at all. I like it dark at not with maybe a little light now and then, and these setting suited my needs.

Do you guys find it to be best to use the settings of the same size screen?
Because even though juju187 has a 46" screen and I have a 60" screen it seemed to work for me.
post #242 of 852
I just cannot get used to Standard mode. I had my old LE40A656 calibrated close to perfection, and nothing i've seen here so far comes close to that picture i had.
But then i found these, off of CNET's calibration of last years D6XXX series, which they say are basically the same as this years S6XXX series. I really love these settings so far. At times I thought my blacks were too washed out while watching a movie, until I saw another shade of black that was just as dark as the horizontal bars (cinema-format movie) so that means the color was right.

I think alot of times we expect something to be PITCH black, when in reality it isn't. Look around you, there's a lot of "black", but every black is different. The settings i've used from here so far all seems to merge several shades of black into pitch black.

anyhow, try these out, not for an hour, but for a few days. Look at the natural colors like yellows and red. No they won't be all bright, but they aren't bright in real life either!

--Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Backlight: 12
Contrast: 92
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint: G50/R50

Screen adjustment submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Position: [no change]

Eco Solution submenu: 
Energy Saving: Off
Eco Sensor: Off (personally i have this on, but the minimum setting is still 12, in my room it only activates when there's really bright sunlight during the day)
No Signal Power Off: Off

Auto Adjustment and Screen submenus: [Grayed out]

Advanced settings submenu
Black tone: Off 
Dynamic contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: +2
Gamma: +1
Expert Pattern: Off
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: On
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
Motion Lighting: Off
xvYCC: Off
LED Motion Plus: On

Color Space submenu:
Red: Red 59, Green 5, Blue 0
Green: Red 20, Green 55, Blue 3
Blue: Red 0, Green 5, Blue 100
Yellow: Red 57, Green 50, Blue 0
Cyan: Red 14, Green 51, Blue 55
Magenta: Red 50, Green 5, Blue 59

White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 24
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26
R-Gain: 31
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 25

10p White Balance submenu:
Interval 1: Red 5, Green 4, Blue 4
Interval 2: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0
Interval 3: Red 1, Green 1, Blue 2
Interval 4: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0
Interval 5: Red 2, Green 2, Blue 1
Interval 6: Red 0, Green 1, Blue 0
Interval 7: Red 1, Green 1, Blue 1
Interval 8: Red 2, Green 2, Blue 3
Interval 9: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 1
Interval 10: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 3

Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI black level: Normal [grayed out]
Film mode: Off [grayed out]
Auto motion plus: Custom
-- Custom settings:
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0
Edited by JaVae - 7/10/12 at 11:24am
post #243 of 852
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Originally Posted by Zasekamoz View Post

Has anyone tried this calibration settings?
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-es6100-picturesettings.html

I'm gonna try these out tonight. They look close to what I'm using now (see post above), but the 10P White seems to be pretty different.
Gonna try and check out later on.

If you read the review, he does say to put this in as well:
Auto motion plus: Custom
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0

I'm intrigued by the "perfect" RGB curves. Maybe this would be the best config, since the one i posted is basically last years D-series.

Too bad we can't save "setup sets" to quickly switch.
Edited by JaVae - 7/10/12 at 4:03am
post #244 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

I'm gonna try these out tonight. They look close to what I'm using now (see post above), but the 10P White seems to be pretty different.
Gonna try and check out later on.
If you read the review, he does say to put this in as well:
Auto motion plus: Custom
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0
I'm intrigued by the "perfect" RGB curves. Maybe this would be the best config, since the one i posted is basically last years D-series.
Too bad we can't save "setup sets" to quickly switch.

JaVae,

Let us know how these setting worked for you.
post #245 of 852
just set it up on my tv-box, through component, and they are definitely better than the ones i posted. bit more black and "vibe" in the colors.
i really love 'm so far. gonna do my HTPC and XBOX hdmi's as well soon.

I think this will be the set i'm keeping.
Gonna pay attention to the clouding i saw once earlier, because i read higher backlight can cause that as well.
post #246 of 852
Watched War Horse movie last night through my HTPC with these settings. Picture was perfect. Blacks were deeps, other colors were rich and real-looking.
This is the calibration set i'm printing and putting in my manual smile.gif
post #247 of 852
JaVae, to clarify. Which settings did you find were the best?
post #248 of 852
these:
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-es6100-picturesettings.html

with
Auto motion plus: Custom
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0
post #249 of 852
Thanks! Going to try them tonight. I hadn't messed with the custom color or white balance so this looked interesting.
post #250 of 852
Does anyone else use the PC input setting? I noticed there is only an "entertain" option along with standard. Entertain seems to disable the dimming just like movie so I went with that. However I can't seem to get the color just right. I mostly use my PC just for games, no movies. Many settings are greyed out. Any suggestions or sample calibrations?
post #251 of 852
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Originally Posted by chrisman1287 View Post

Does anyone else use the PC input setting? I noticed there is only an "entertain" option along with standard. Entertain seems to disable the dimming just like movie so I went with that. However I can't seem to get the color just right. I mostly use my PC just for games, no movies. Many settings are greyed out. Any suggestions or sample calibrations?

PC mode disables almost all display controls. You are supposed to make those adjustments on the PC side.

Which unfortunately doesn't work if you enabled PC mode just to get away from the dimming and are using a PS3 or a Blu Ray player...
post #252 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

these:
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-es6100-picturesettings.html
with
Auto motion plus: Custom
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0

Any reason why you went with these Auto motion plus setting instead disable like the calibration has in your link?
post #253 of 852
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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

PC mode disables almost all display controls. You are supposed to make those adjustments on the PC side.
Which unfortunately doesn't work if you enabled PC mode just to get away from the dimming and are using a PS3 or a Blu Ray player...

Yeah I'm on a receiver with HDMI passthrough. So one input to TV. When using PC I set input to PC (Entertain). When using PS3 or Directv I set input to AV Receiver (Movie). I've been able to get movie looking good based on all the help here, but I guess entertain is a different beast that will require tweaking from the PC GPU settings.
post #254 of 852
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Originally Posted by Satman858 View Post

Any reason why you went with these Auto motion plus setting instead disable like the calibration has in your link?

Because they said so in the review on the same site. But last night I seemed to notice small hiccups in people movement while watching a series... Maybe this was causing it?
Gonna disable it again and see what that gives tonight.
post #255 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

Because they said so in the review on the same site. But last night I seemed to notice small hiccups in people movement while watching a series... Maybe this was causing it?
Gonna disable it again and see what that gives tonight.
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

Because they said so in the review on the same site. But last night I seemed to notice small hiccups in people movement while watching a series... Maybe this was causing it?
Gonna disable it again and see what that gives tonight.

JaVae,

I set my Samsung 60" 6100 yesterday evening to those settings but did not understand a few things about the settings.

First, under the 10pt white balance, the tab only showed me 1 spot to put 1 set of numbers for Interval, Red, Green, and Blue, not 10 sets like the setting chart shows. I have listed the chart below. I did however put the first line of numbers in, but like I said I could not find where go to put the other 9 lines.

How do I find where to put the other 9 lines to the 10pt white settings?


10pt White Balance On
Interval Red Green Blue
1 0 -1 -1
2 -1 -1 -1
3 0 0 0
4 -1 0 +1
5 -1 -1 +1
6 -1 -1 -1
7 -1 -1 -1
8 0 0 0
9 +1 0 0
10 +2 0 0



Also, I could not find Measured Contrast (with OTC1000) anywhere.

Where did you find that setting below?



Measured Contrast (with OTC1000)
100 IRE (Y) 55.3625
O IRE (Y) 0.0222
Ratio (x:1) 2493.8063


P.S. By the way JaVae, even from what I have right now, not having everything not complete with this calibration, I fell in LOVE with the picture last night with the Auto Motion Plus turned to OFF.


For anyone reading this post, what we are referring to it is the picture calibration in the link below.

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-es6100-picturesettings.html
Edited by Satman858 - 7/12/12 at 9:47am
post #256 of 852
the 10p calibration is quite simple... the first "item" when you enter there says 1.
you can change that to 2-3-4-...10
so per item you set the 3 values.

hope that's a bit clear.

I also turned auto motion back off, but gotta experiment with it a bit.
i noticed i sometimes see some stuttering on espn's scrolling text, but i don't know if it's the tv because it doesn't happen constantly...
post #257 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

the 10p calibration is quite simple... the first "item" when you enter there says 1.
you can change that to 2-3-4-...10
so per item you set the 3 values.
hope that's a bit clear.
I also turned auto motion back off, but gotta experiment with it a bit.
i noticed i sometimes see some stuttering on espn's scrolling text, but i don't know if it's the tv because it doesn't happen constantly...

Thanks JaVae! I change all 10 pt white setting.

Now, do you know what this meansbelow, and where you set these settings?

Measured Contrast (with OTC1000)
100 IRE (Y) 55.3625
O IRE (Y) 0.0222
Ratio (x:1) 2493.8063
post #258 of 852
Those are just the results of the calibration the reviewer did. It's not a setting.
post #259 of 852
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Originally Posted by Satman858 View Post

Thanks JaVae! I change all 10 pt white setting.
Now, do you know what this meansbelow, and where you set these settings?
Measured Contrast (with OTC1000)
100 IRE (Y) 55.3625
O IRE (Y) 0.0222
Ratio (x:1) 2493.8063

That is an indication that their TV has a 1:2493 contrast ration in actual use, not something you can set.
post #260 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

Those are just the results of the calibration the reviewer did. It's not a setting.

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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

That is an indication that their TV has a 1:2493 contrast ration in actual use, not something you can set.


Oh okay guys! thanks



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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

I also turned auto motion back off, but gotta experiment with it a bit.
i noticed i sometimes see some stuttering on espn's scrolling text, but i don't know if it's the tv because it doesn't happen constantly...

What conclusion did you come to having turned auto motion plus OFF for a couple days now?

As for me I actually thought the picture looked a little better before I did the other 9 setting of the 10pt white setting, but my wife thinks the picture looks better now since I added that guys other 9 setting for the 10pt white setting. Either way the faces on the TV are not extreamly blurring and focusing every second like it was before.
post #261 of 852
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Originally Posted by JaVae View Post

Watched War Horse movie last night through my HTPC with these settings. Picture was perfect. Blacks were deeps, other colors were rich and real-looking.
This is the calibration set i'm printing and putting in my manual smile.gif

yes JaVae i also think this settings are for keep.......but i tried a different combo......would you like to try it?.....that way i can have a another opinoin....thanx
everythig is the same except the white balance...im using this settings can you tell me your opinion about it?
White Balance

R-Offset 21

G-Offset 20

B-Offset 21

R-Gain 0

G-Gain 21

B-Gain 26

you can also try this mix with warm1 for color....i think you can get nice white without "blueish" tone...hehe

this post its almost forgotten except for a few users....frown.gif lets do our best to keep it alive...hehehe....sometimes i spend more time calibrating then watching tv.....tongue.gif btw i saw wall-e with the settings from lcdtvbuyingguide and it was really nice.....no wonder they name their settings expert calibration..hehe....
post #262 of 852
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Originally Posted by Lednewbie View Post

yes JaVae i also think this settings are for keep.......but i tried a different combo......would you like to try it?.....that way i can have a another opinoin....thanx
everythig is the same except the white balance...im using this settings can you tell me your opinion about it?
White Balance
R-Offset 21
G-Offset 20
B-Offset 21
R-Gain 0
G-Gain 21
B-Gain 26
you can also try this mix with warm1 for color....i think you can get nice white without "blueish" tone...hehe
this post its almost forgotten except for a few users....frown.gif lets do our best to keep it alive...hehehe....sometimes i spend more time calibrating then watching tv.....tongue.gif btw i saw wall-e with the settings from lcdtvbuyingguide and it was really nice.....no wonder they name their settings expert calibration..hehe....

Lednewbie,

I too have fallen in love with those settings that JaVae is using. I will try them too tomorrow and let you know what I think.
post #263 of 852
I've been lurking here for some time but finally needed to contribute. After two months, my UN40ES6100F is due for a panel replacement in a few hours. With about two months use I was getting more and more dissatisfied with the clouding (there were a few noticeable splotches) and to top it off the panel developed a stuck pixel.

So far the Samsung service has been excellent. I was able to upload a video clip as part of the service request in order to demo these problems, and they decided to replace the panel - I had a contact back in less than 24 hours to discuss scheduling. In home service coming later today and we'll see how it goes. I have to say if the picture was not as good as it is on this thing I might well have returned it to the Best Buy where I got it before it ever came to this. Even with these issues the display is outstanding for most content but the darker scenes were really showing off the clouding hence the service call.
post #264 of 852
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Originally Posted by amenite View Post

I've been lurking here for some time but finally needed to contribute. After two months, my UN40ES6100F is due for a panel replacement in a few hours. With about two months use I was getting more and more dissatisfied with the clouding (there were a few noticeable splotches) and to top it off the panel developed a stuck pixel.
So far the Samsung service has been excellent. I was able to upload a video clip as part of the service request in order to demo these problems, and they decided to replace the panel - I had a contact back in less than 24 hours to discuss scheduling. In home service coming later today and we'll see how it goes. I have to say if the picture was not as good as it is on this thing I might well have returned it to the Best Buy where I got it before it ever came to this. Even with these issues the display is outstanding for most content but the darker scenes were really showing off the clouding hence the service call.

Could you upload the video clip here in the AVS forum?

I am sure other guys besides myself with ES6100F units would like to see the clip, and what it might take to get Samsung to not only come out, but to replace the panel as well.
Edited by Satman858 - 7/14/12 at 10:50am
post #265 of 852
So the tech was here a few hours ago and so far so good. I explained to him about the two issues - stuck pixel and clouding. He was quick to point out that the clouding issue was not something he could fix, and that some clouding is normal especially around the corners of the screen. He looked at a few test patterns from the service menu, whatever. Since the original guy on the phone had already told me I was getting a new panel, I was hoping this tech was not trying to somehow avoid replacing the panel or something. Anyhow, tech tells me the stuck/dead pixel issue he would be fixing and off we go.

So 20-30 screws and one new panel later it looks l have good looking panel that has little if any of the clouding that original one had. Won't know for sure until after dark, but I think I'm good now. From the tech's attitude it seemed like clouding might not be sufficient to get a replacement, and I can't tell because I also had that dead pixel. But I can tell you that in daylight in a room with a bunch of windows I can tell the difference between old and new without question.

If you manage to get a service call lined up see if they can confirm you are getting a panel replacement before they ever show up at your location. At least then you know they will have the part on the truck smile.gif

Uploaded a few still capture jpgs from my Quicktime movie (Quicktime not allowed as upload file type here). If someone wants the video lemme know.

001.jpg 60k .jpg file 002.jpg 58k .jpg file
post #266 of 852
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Originally Posted by amenite View Post

So the tech was here a few hours ago and so far so good. I explained to him about the two issues - stuck pixel and clouding. He was quick to point out that the clouding issue was not something he could fix, and that some clouding is normal especially around the corners of the screen. He looked at a few test patterns from the service menu, whatever. Since the original guy on the phone had already told me I was getting a new panel, I was hoping this tech was not trying to somehow avoid replacing the panel or something. Anyhow, tech tells me the stuck/dead pixel issue he would be fixing and off we go.
So 20-30 screws and one new panel later it looks l have good looking panel that has little if any of the clouding that original one had. Won't know for sure until after dark, but I think I'm good now. From the tech's attitude it seemed like clouding might not be sufficient to get a replacement, and I can't tell because I also had that dead pixel. But I can tell you that in daylight in a room with a bunch of windows I can tell the difference between old and new without question.
If you manage to get a service call lined up see if they can confirm you are getting a panel replacement before they ever show up at your location. At least then you know they will have the part on the truck smile.gif
Uploaded a few still capture jpgs from my Quicktime movie (Quicktime not allowed as upload file type here). If someone wants the video lemme know.
001.jpg 60k .jpg file 002.jpg 58k .jpg file

amenite,

Glad to see you got your issues resolved. Thanks for posting the pics. The stuck pixel just looks like a dot on the black screen in you picture. Describe how did it look when you had a picture on your screen?
post #267 of 852
Are they any expert reviews of this set yet? I'm curious to see how it's overall PQ holds up against the more expensive ES series models. How effective are the 10-pt grayscale and 3D CMS on this model? I believe this is the lowest series LED/LCD this year from Samsung that has those advanced calibration controls.
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 7/14/12 at 7:08pm
post #268 of 852
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Originally Posted by amenite View Post

So the tech was here a few hours ago and so far so good. I explained to him about the two issues - stuck pixel and clouding. He was quick to point out that the clouding issue was not something he could fix, and that some clouding is normal especially around the corners of the screen. He looked at a few test patterns from the service menu, whatever. Since the original guy on the phone had already told me I was getting a new panel, I was hoping this tech was not trying to somehow avoid replacing the panel or something. Anyhow, tech tells me the stuck/dead pixel issue he would be fixing and off we go.
So 20-30 screws and one new panel later it looks l have good looking panel that has little if any of the clouding that original one had. Won't know for sure until after dark, but I think I'm good now. From the tech's attitude it seemed like clouding might not be sufficient to get a replacement, and I can't tell because I also had that dead pixel. But I can tell you that in daylight in a room with a bunch of windows I can tell the difference between old and new without question.
If you manage to get a service call lined up see if they can confirm you are getting a panel replacement before they ever show up at your location. At least then you know they will have the part on the truck smile.gif
Uploaded a few still capture jpgs from my Quicktime movie (Quicktime not allowed as upload file type here). If someone wants the video lemme know.
001.jpg 60k .jpg file 002.jpg 58k .jpg file


well i got this set as a replacement for a samsung unxxd5500......of all the issues with that tv....the service staff told me that clouding isnt a valid cause to ask for a replacement etc...they even got a memo from samsung explaining that clouding is " considered normal ".....my set was replaced with a much better model because they changed the panel 3 times for something that i will called a dark smudge right in the center....also some lines appeared across the screen....so after a third repair they changed my set and by policy they give me a newer model....wich is 50% more expensive that the one i bought...i know this because i checked the price in lots of different stores in my location.....so i was very happy with samsung aswell with the service staff......hehe............there is still some clouding in my new set.....but i just turned down the backlight and now the clouding its very little.......clouding its something we need to learn to live with.......it doesnt matter the tv size or even the brand.......and after the calibration process im very happy with my set...for me it looks awesome.....i know there are better and larger models...but even in those models....you have a 99% of probabilities of getting clouding.....just forget about it and enjoy your set....the colours on this model are great....specially when im playing ps3..hehehe

Btw Satman858 i would like to know what you think about the settings i put earlier....since im still looking for the perfect image......cya.

and PlasmaPZ80U you can find a very nice review about this model in the lcdtvbuyingguide site.....they have calibration settings for it....and very good opinions for this model in general.
post #269 of 852
I doubt they would have replaced my panel without the dead pixel, but the clouding on the old panel was significantly worse. Having now essentially owned two of these sets (two different panels) I can tell you that what I have now in the replacement is a noticeable improvement over what I had before. Now I don't have to turn the backlight down ridiculously low just to partially mask what appears to be a defect in the panel. Which leads to the real question - who decides how much clouding is too much, and the answer to that is the manufacturer I guess. It's totally subjective and as I know first hand now it varies widely from panel to panel. Knowing what I know now I probably would have picked up something completely different, Plasma or CCFL or a full array LED or something. Make no mistake here, I don't like the clouding effect. When it's there it looks like crap for much of what I watch. It is not easily measurable and these panels seem to be all over the place in intensity of it. I will not "learn to live with it". Not the next time anyway.
post #270 of 852
I'm having some issues regarding the aspect ratio (i.e vertical black bars).

I am playing content via HDMI cable but there are black vertical bars showing. Admittedly, the broadcast is SD, however, I am using the 16:9 setting on my TV but still get the black vertical bars. Even If I play around with the settings in screen adjustment, the aspect ratio changes but the vertical black bars remain where they are (even when choosing 16:9 or screen fit).

The screen "fills up" fine during BluRay/Smart Hub & HD content.

Everything was fine when I bought the TV (i.e. screen would "stretch" to remove the bars), the only tweak I did was doing some calibration (JaVae's settings above).

Can anyone help me out on how to get rid of the black vertical bars when displaying SD content?

P.S. the screen stretched fine in my old Samsung TV.

Thanks.
Edited by redtilldead - 7/15/12 at 8:38am
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