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post #1 of 95
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What are you thoughts on replacing my 12+ year old Paradigm Monitor 9's? I'm looking at the Dynaudio Excite X-16's or the Paradigm Studio 20's. I know they are both bookshelf speakers but would like to upgrade my sound while downgrading in size. We listen mostly to HT/TV/music (Pandora).

Jeff
post #2 of 95
The paradigm studios are great speakers, The best thing to do is to listen to them and see if you like the sound. I have 17 speakers of the studio line and for me, it would be my choice. but in end its up to you whether you like the sound of them. I have no experience with the other.
post #3 of 95
Better sound in smaller package? I'd assume by going down you're sacrificing bass so what exactly is the improvement you're looking for? Paradigm seems a better deal. My experience with Dynaudio has been average sound high price.
post #4 of 95
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Originally Posted by John1400 View Post

The paradigm studios are great speakers, The best thing to do is to listen to them and see if you like the sound. I have 17 speakers of the studio line and for me, it would be my choice. but in end its up to you whether you like the sound of them. I have no experience with the other.

I thought I was bad with Paradigm! 15 total, 5 sigs,2 studio,3 monitor,
2 outdoor and 3 subs.

Go with the Paradigm Studios, the 20's are great.
post #5 of 95
I own 25 speakers which includes the subs. 23 are paradigm, 17 are the studios all v.5. And yes I might have went a tad overboard, maybe. And yes the 20's are great.
post #6 of 95
Thread Starter 
I guess I should have mentioned () they will be paired with either a Rythmik FV15 or HSU VTF-15H, more than likely the Rythmik.

Jeff
post #7 of 95
I have no experience with the subs mentioned, but I'm sure some of the other forum members would have. The studio 20's with a good quality sub would be an awesome listening experience.
post #8 of 95
I prefer the studios over the excites. The excites remind me of a nearfield pair of monitors which sound very flat and lifeless. For the price, you would think dynaudio excites would have more pep. I've been a dynaudio lover for years in car audio but until you spend the big bucks for their speakers, it's just an average listening experience for myself personally.


You can go with either sub, as both are excellent choices.
post #9 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I prefer the studios over the excites. The excites remind me of a nearfield pair of monitors which sound very flat and lifeless. For the price, you would think dynaudio excites would have more pep. I've been a dynaudio lover for years in car audio but until you spend the big bucks for their speakers, it's just an average listening experience for myself personally.


You can go with either sub, as both are excellent choices.

I have not listened to the studios but i do own the excite x12's as part of a 5.1 setup that consists of x12's, x22 and dm 2/6 for surrounds. These are matched with a rythmik f15hp. I would not call the excites lifeless at all. They do require more power than the average speaker though to sound best.
post #10 of 95
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

What are you thoughts on replacing my 12+ year old Paradigm Monitor 9's? I'm looking at the Dynaudio Excite X-16's or the Paradigm Studio 20's. I know they are both bookshelf speakers but would like to upgrade my sound while downgrading in size. We listen mostly to HT/TV/music (Pandora).

Jeff

Jeff,

Go audition both, and buy what you like best.
post #11 of 95
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Jeff,

Go audition both, and buy what you like best.

Funny how all the...what I can only assume (and in most cases, they themselves confirm)...Paradigm owners say "BUY PARADIGM"!!

Callas01, I know, is a Dyn owner (like me)...and he simply says "go listen for yourself". Moral? Dyns sell themselves.

CD
post #12 of 95
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

Jeff,

Go audition both, and buy what you like best.

I deal with a guy in FL where I used to live and take his word for pretty much everything and he likes Paradigm as a whole. I know the Paradigm sound but just from the Monitor series. There is no store near me that has the Studio line in store, except in Vegas. That's a 4 hour drive. There is a store in Phoenix that sells the Dynaudio which is 1.5 hours from me. Will be heading down there in 3 weeks. Hopefully they have the X-16's to listen to. And Calas and I have had this discussion on the Blu Ray forum.

Jeff
post #13 of 95
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Funny how all the...what I can only assume (and in most cases, they themselves confirm)...Paradigm owners say "BUY PARADIGM"!!

Callas01, I know, is a Dyn owner (like me)...and he simply says "go listen for yourself". Moral? Dyns sell themselves.

CD

Why wouldn't a paradigm owner recommend paradigms? I've heard dynaudio excites and with no pun intended, it was hardly an exciting experience. It will be hard to find a speaker that can pull off dual duty as a 50/50 HT/Music speaker like paradigms can. People hate hearing the word paradigm because they are recommended a lot. By no means is this an accident that they are heavily recommended.
post #14 of 95
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

What are you thoughts on replacing my 12+ year old Paradigm Monitor 9's? I'm looking at the Dynaudio Excite X-16's or the Paradigm Studio 20's. I know they are both bookshelf speakers but would like to upgrade my sound while downgrading in size. We listen mostly to HT/TV/music (Pandora).

Jeff

Somehow, someway you need to get both in your home to demo. If you choose the Paradigm, you'll second guess yourself regarding the Dynaudio and vice versa.

I once owned Studio 20 and now have Dynaudio Focus at home. Haven't had enough time to have a decisive impression of the Dynaudio. With the time I've had I can borrow or paraphrase something I read elsewhere. When going to a concert, if you prefer to set in the first row, dead center, Paradigms are probably the choice. If you prefer to sit 15 rows back, Dynaudio may be the better choice.

BTW, if you the store in Phoenix you mentioned is Dedicated Audio in Scottsdale, be aware the Dedicated Audio is not conventional retail storefront. They are appointment only and are in Scottsdale Airpark. I'm assuming you know this.
post #15 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

Why wouldn't a paradigm owner recommend paradigms?

Well...for starters; why would you assume your tastes are their tastes? You're hardly alone, but it's a peeve of mine. Anyone who says "just buy what I bought"...without asking the OP about his taste in music, his budget, his associated gear...etc, etc...isn't given a very informed opinion, IMO.

.02

CD
post #16 of 95
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Somehow, someway you need to get both in your home to demo. If you choose the Paradigm, you'll second guess yourself regarding the Dynaudio and vice versa.

I once owned Studio 20 and now have Dynaudio Focus at home. Haven't had enough time to have a decisive impression of the Dynaudio. With the time I've had I can borrow or paraphrase something I read elsewhere. When going to a concert, if you prefer to set in the first row, dead center, Paradigms are probably the choice. If you prefer to sit 15 rows back, Dynaudio may be the better choice.

BTW, if you the store in Phoenix you mentioned is Dedicated Audio in Scottsdale, be aware the Dedicated Audio is not conventional retail storefront. They are appointment only and are in Scottsdale Airpark. I'm assuming you know this.

The Focus line is more comparable to the signature line from paradigm. Apples to oranges comparison,
post #17 of 95
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Well...for starters; why would you assume your tastes are their tastes? You're hardly alone, but it's a peeve of mine. Anyone who says "just buy what I bought"...without asking the OP about his taste in music, his budget, his associated gear...etc, etc...isn't given a very informed opinion, IMO.

.02

CD

Not saying that at all. How many of these threads pop up a week? How many times does the op get told to listen to his choices? I've done plenty of speaker testing with a wide array of music and the excites sound flat compared to the studio line. It was clear in my reply this was based off what I heard with my own ears. Clearly, dynaudio isn't exactly budget speakers and generally more expensive then paradigms.
post #18 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

The Focus line is more comparable to the signature line from paradigm. Apples to oranges comparison,

Probably. Also owned Studio 60. The Studio series are excellent HT speakers. Really like the Paradigm center channels. If looking for speakers with an 90/10 bias to HT, the Studios are a solid choice.

Another plus for Paradigm is they are easily available in the secondary (used) market. Real good opportunities to score great deals.
post #19 of 95
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Probably. Also owned Studio 60. The Studio series are excellent HT speakers. Really like the Paradigm center channels. If looking for speakers with an 90/10 bias to HT, the Studios are a solid choice.

I drew a line in the sand for speakers with only a $25k budget for 7 speakers, a sub and a new tv and avr with amps.

I stood on that line of saying screw it and blow it all on speakers, wait a year and then finish it. Or, do it all at once. So I spent 10 months strictly on speaker testing to meet getting it all done at once. Since i listen 50/50 to ht and music, I had to find the best for the budget and my ears.

Originally I was hell bent between the paradigm signatures and the focal electras. Then I listened to the bw 803ds and dynaudio Focus series. Since I wasn't going to listen to strictly music, I decided to look at each line of speakers one step down and base it on that. I kept going toward then paradigm studio line and I have no regrets making that decision. Compared to interning to my friends audio setups, the studios blow them out of the water.

With the extra money I pocketed, I was able to double up the subs, add a few more pairs of speakers, an amp and get the kids a nice led 55" 3d tv.
post #20 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

with only a $25k budget for 7 speakers, a sub and a new tv and avr with amps.

My favorite part of that reply.....ONLY $25,000 budget. Thats what I paid for my car......
post #21 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I drew a line in the sand for speakers with only a $25k budget for 7 speakers, a sub and a new tv and avr with amps.

I stood on that line of saying screw it and blow it all on speakers, wait a year and then finish it. Or, do it all at once. So I spent 10 months strictly on speaker testing to meet getting it all done at once. Since i listen 50/50 to ht and music, I had to find the best for the budget and my ears.

Originally I was hell bent between the paradigm signatures and the focal electras. Then I listened to the bw 803ds and dynaudio Focus series. Since I wasn't going to listen to strictly music, I decided to look at each line of speakers one step down and base it on that. I kept going toward then paradigm studio line and I have no regrets making that decision. Compared to interning to my friends audio setups, the studios blow them out of the water.

With the extra money I pocketed, I was able to double up the subs, add a few more pairs of speakers, an amp and get the kids a nice led 55" 3d tv.

Seriously, did you just use the "blow them out of the water" statement? You missed "better than any other speaker 2X, 3x the cost". Need to work on that one.
post #22 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

The Focus line is more comparable to the signature line from paradigm. Apples to oranges comparison,

I'm not trying to nit-pick, or focus on semantics here...but I'm not sure I get this comparison. I guess you're saying dollar-wise, Dyns' Focus line costs around what the Paradigm Signature line does (that's for you to say...I don't really know what Paradigm Sigs cost); but OTOH, you're comparing Paradigms flagship against Dyns' second-most-budget offering. If you're going to do so...how can you make the argument Paradigm is "superior" to Dynaudio?

For the record...I think Paradigm is a fine brand; a bang-for-the-buck champion. Monitor 11s were my first "good" speaker...and I too had Studio 40s and a CC-590 in my HT. However, I find Dynaudios to be in another class (and yes, they cost it too).

CD
post #23 of 95
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Originally Posted by cjsiv View Post

My favorite part of that reply.....ONLY $25,000 budget. Thats what I paid for my car......

LMAO I thought the same thing when I saw that. Except the car that I'm CURRENTLY driving only cost me 8k!
post #24 of 95
My buddy is going to get a full Monitor Audio PL300 6.1 system and my neighbor already has his 150k system. When you're in another expensive hobby such as exotic cars, these are small change especially when you live in Huntington Beach. The bigger question is whether it is really necessary to spend that much to get the same or superior audio quality. i personally don't get off by buying the most expensive out there. I'm happy knowing I buy the best at the least cost
post #25 of 95
I find this hobby to be one of the most expensive. Ever. The average person has no clue that there are home audio set-ups that cost as much as their house. Hell, most people think the most expensive is Bose (The same people that also think they're the best). When I tell them there are people that have set-ups that cost millions, they think I'm lying and insane.
post #26 of 95
Some gamble. Some do drugs. Others buy audio equipment. We all have vices I guess.

I remember being on vacation in Vegas a few years back and my wife was shopping for purses. I was shocked at the fact women didn't hesitate to spend $1000 on one. A freakin purse!! Here in the Midwest that is a house payment.

I suppose if you have a $1,000,000 house, $250,000 car, 2 ex wives, 3 children and a psychiatrist, $100,000 for a home theater makes perfect sense.

I guess it's all relative.
post #27 of 95
Here in California it's not unusual to have a $1,000,000 house and drive a $20k car

(And $1M house probably is not very big or impressive so the car doesn't look out of place)
post #28 of 95
As far as the speakers go i would probably lean toward Paradigms see as Home Theater appears to be your primary concern. Their speakers have a LOT more off-axis energy than Dynaudio and this makes placement a lot easier as you aren't going to be fighting to find a "sweet spot."
post #29 of 95
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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I drew a line in the sand for speakers with only a $25k budget for 7 speakers, a sub and a new tv and avr with amps.

Since i listen 50/50 to ht and music, I had to find the best for the budget and my ears.

Originally I was hell bent between the paradigm signatures and the focal electras. Then I listened to the bw 803ds and dynaudio Focus series. Since I wasn't going to listen to strictly music, I decided to look at each line of speakers one step down and base it on that. I kept going toward then paradigm studio line and I have no regrets making that decision.

I listen to my Excites X16s 50/50, maybe even more movies lately, and I have no issues with my Integra powering my setup to levels loud enough to piss off the wife or presenting movies in a way that makes me feel like Im in the local cinema.

Ive listened to the Studio 20s and the 60s, the 60s just 2 or 3 weeks before I got the Excites. The 20s about 6 months after with a Rotel CDP and Anthem IA. I liked the 20s more then the 60s, but I like the X16 more then both. You like the Studios more, neither person is wrong, just different tastes.

Both are good speakers but sound different and each has different characteristics that might appeal to one person over another. Thats the main thing, what appeals to one over another.

The best thing he can do is listen to both and get what he likes the most. If he cant hear the 20s locally, he has 12 yrs of paradigm listening experience to draw upon, and can at least listen to the Excites to see if he likes them.... and enough to want to replace his 12 yr old paradigms. But then, he might not like them enough to switch. Isnt that why we audition?
post #30 of 95
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Originally Posted by callas01 View Post

I listen to my Excites X16s 50/50, maybe even more movies lately, and I have no issues with my Integra powering my setup to levels loud enough to piss off the wife or presenting movies in a way that makes me feel like Im in the local cinema.

Ive listened to the Studio 20s and the 60s, the 60s just 2 or 3 weeks before I got the Excites. The 20s about 6 months after with a Rotel CDP and Anthem IA. I liked the 20s more then the 60s, but I like the X16 more then both. You like the Studios more, neither person is wrong, just different tastes.

Both are good speakers but sound different and each has different characteristics that might appeal to one person over another. Thats the main thing, what appeals to one over another.

The best thing he can do is listen to both and get what he likes the most. If he cant hear the 20s locally, he has 12 yrs of paradigm listening experience to draw upon, and can at least listen to the Excites to see if he likes them.... and enough to want to replace his 12 yr old paradigms. But then, he might not like them enough to switch. Isnt that why we audition?

+1, I think this would be the best course of action for the OP. Go listen to both and come back to debate the merits of each. Neither is going to be a bad choice as both companies make some very good speakers, it'll come down to preference.
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